Byzantine Empire 1933-34

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The Rock Doctor

#30
July 02, 2024, 06:05:20 AM
Until I field my 500mm/45 somehow, he wins.

Jefgte

#31
July 12, 2024, 08:23:49 AM Last Edit: August 08, 2024, 11:34:24 AM by Jefgte
Update TGB540 to TGB770 - Prens class
Speed update from 25kts to 27kts to work with Colonial Cruisers.
Range increase from 5000nm to 6000nm.
3M2x40 => 4M2x40 pompom
1x3TTx533 => 1x5TTx533
This class use the 2T2x120/45 Mlle 1930 from C13 class (40t)
770t => 0.73BP

Prens class, Byzantine Empire TGB770 laid down 1933

Displacement:
    770 t light; 832 t standard; 942 t normal; 1 031 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
    (262,31 ft / 259,19 ft) x 26,25 ft x (11,17 / 11,89 ft)
    (79,95 m / 79,00 m) x 8,00 m  x (3,41 / 3,62 m)

Armament:
      4 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 50,00lbs / 22,68kg shells, 220 per gun
      Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1930 Model
      2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 39,0 cal guns - 2,01lbs / 0,91kg shells, 2 000 per gun
      Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
      2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
        2 raised mounts
      4 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 39,0 cal guns - 2,01lbs / 0,91kg shells, 2 000 per gun
      Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
      2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      4 - 0,50" / 12,7 mm 62,0 cal guns - 0,07lbs / 0,03kg shells, 4 000 per gun
      Machine guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
      2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck forward
        2 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 216 lbs / 98 kg

Armour:
  - Gun armour:    Face (max)    Other gunhouse (avg)    Barbette/hoist (max)
    Main:    0,39" / 10 mm          -                  -
    2nd:    0,24" / 6 mm          -                  -
    3rd:    0,24" / 6 mm          -                  -
    4th:    0,24" / 6 mm          -                  -

Machinery:
    Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
    Geared drive, 2 shafts, 13 800 shp / 10 295 Kw = 27,02 kts
    Range 6 000nm at 12,00 kts
    Bunker at max displacement = 199 tons

Complement:
    84 - 110

Cost:
    £0,439 million / $1,754 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
    Armament: 41 tons, 4,3 %
      - Guns: 41 tons, 4,3 %
    Armour: 4 tons, 0,4 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 0,4 %
    Machinery: 391 tons, 41,5 %
    Hull, fittings & equipment: 273 tons, 29,0 %
    Fuel, ammunition & stores: 172 tons, 18,3 %
    Miscellaneous weights: 62 tons, 6,6 %
      - On freeboard deck: 58 tons
      - Above deck: 4 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
    Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
      417 lbs / 189 Kg = 7,9 x 4,7 " / 120 mm shells or 0,3 torpedoes
    Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,13
    Metacentric height 0,8 ft / 0,3 m
    Roll period: 12,0 seconds
    Steadiness    - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
            - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,47
    Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,17

Hull form characteristics:
    Hull has a flush deck,
      a normal bow and a cruiser stern
    Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,434 / 0,446
    Length to Beam Ratio: 9,87 : 1
    'Natural speed' for length: 16,10 kts
    Power going to wave formation at top speed: 65 %
    Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
    Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
    Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
    Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
                Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:    18,00 %,  17,72 ft / 5,40 m,  14,11 ft / 4,30 m
      - Forward deck:    33,00 %,  14,11 ft / 4,30 m,  10,83 ft / 3,30 m
      - Aft deck:    33,00 %,  10,83 ft / 3,30 m,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m
      - Quarter deck:    16,00 %,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m,  10,17 ft / 3,10 m
      - Average freeboard:        11,92 ft / 3,63 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
    Space    - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 148,9 %
        - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 110,8 %
    Waterplane Area: 4 285 Square feet or 398 Square metres
    Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97 %
    Structure weight / hull surface area: 33 lbs/sq ft or 160 Kg/sq metre
    Hull strength (Relative):
        - Cross-sectional: 0,64
        - Longitudinal: 3,03
        - Overall: 0,75
    Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
    Adequate accommodation and workspace room
    Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

AD
25t for LR Marconi
4t for top fire control
OD
15t for 1x5TTx533
15t for enhanced hydrophone
6t for 30x195kg DC
2t for paravanes
20t reserve for new armament, material, minen
AW
Climatisation


"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Jefgte

#32
July 14, 2024, 10:41:06 AM Last Edit: July 14, 2024, 11:03:04 AM by Jefgte
After Ramses II & Seti I, battleships Bekatra & Salehi need refurbishment.
These classes are similar in armaments, speed & protection
(26000t - 1909  & 25850t - 1913)

191 & 120mm guns removed => 8T2x114 DP
Deck armor: 100mm was 80
Coal boilers => oil boilers
1930 techno equipment.

Cost 8.347$ & 2.085BP per ship.

Byzantine Empire - 1913 improved BB5- Ramses II class laid down 1913 (Engine 1933)

Bekatra - Salehi

Displacement:
    26 510 t light; 28 235 t standard; 29 630 t normal; 30 745 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
    (623,36 ft / 623,36 ft) x 100,00 ft x (26,58 / 27,41 ft)
    (190,00 m / 190,00 m) x 30,48 m  x (8,10 / 8,35 m)

Armament:
      12 - 13,50" / 343 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1 410,01lbs / 639,57kg shells, 100 per gun
      Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1913 Model
      4 x Triple mounts on centreline, evenly spread
        1 raised mount
      16 - 4,49" / 114 mm 45,0 cal guns - 58,00lbs / 26,31kg shells, 300 per gun
      Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1933 Model
      8 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 39,0 cal guns - 2,01lbs / 0,91kg shells, 2 000 per gun
      Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model
      8 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
        8 raised mounts
      16 - 0,50" / 12,7 mm 62,0 cal guns - 0,07lbs / 0,03kg shells, 4 000 per gun
      Machine guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model
      8 x 2-gun mounts on side ends, evenly spread
        8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 17 881 lbs / 8 111 kg

Armour:
  - Belts:        Width (max)    Length (avg)        Height (avg)
    Main:    13,4" / 340 mm    406,00 ft / 123,75 m    11,81 ft / 3,60 m
    Ends:    4,72" / 120 mm    215,69 ft / 65,74 m    12,01 ft / 3,66 m
      1,67 ft / 0,51 m Unarmoured ends
    Upper:    5,51" / 140 mm    406,00 ft / 123,75 m    12,47 ft / 3,80 m
      Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

  - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
        1,50" / 38 mm    406,00 ft / 123,75 m    24,76 ft / 7,55 m
    Beam between torpedo bulkheads 92,00 ft / 28,04 m

  - Gun armour:    Face (max)    Other gunhouse (avg)    Barbette/hoist (max)
    Main:    13,4" / 340 mm    5,91" / 150 mm        11,8" / 300 mm
    3rd:    0,39" / 10 mm          -                  -
    4th:    0,24" / 6 mm          -                  -
    5th:    0,24" / 6 mm          -                  -

  - Armoured deck - single deck:
    For and Aft decks: 3,94" / 100 mm
    Forecastle: 1,57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 3,15" / 80 mm

  - Conning towers: Forward 13,39" / 340 mm, Aft 9,84" / 250 mm

Machinery:
    Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
    Geared drive, 4 shafts, 35 000 shp / 26 110 Kw = 21,02 kts
    Range 9 000nm at 12,00 kts
    Bunker at max displacement = 2 510 tons

Complement:
    1 128 - 1 467

Cost:
    £2,763 million / $11,051 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
    Armament: 2 779 tons, 9,4 %
      - Guns: 2 779 tons, 9,4 %
    Armour: 10 889 tons, 36,7 %
      - Belts: 4 502 tons, 15,2 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 556 tons, 1,9 %
      - Armament: 2 157 tons, 7,3 %
      - Armour Deck: 3 194 tons, 10,8 %
      - Conning Towers: 479 tons, 1,6 %
    Machinery: 1 020 tons, 3,4 %
    Hull, fittings & equipment: 11 035 tons, 37,2 %
    Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3 120 tons, 10,5 %
    Miscellaneous weights: 788 tons, 2,7 %
      - Hull below water: 145 tons
      - Hull above water: 150 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 165 tons
      - Above deck: 328 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
    Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
      50 490 lbs / 22 902 Kg = 41,0 x 13,5 " / 343 mm shells or 9,0 torpedoes
    Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,17
    Metacentric height 6,7 ft / 2,0 m
    Roll period: 16,2 seconds
    Steadiness    - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
            - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,77
    Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,36

Hull form characteristics:
    Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak,
      a ram bow and a cruiser stern
    Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,626 / 0,630
    Length to Beam Ratio: 6,23 : 1
    'Natural speed' for length: 24,97 kts
    Power going to wave formation at top speed: 42 %
    Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 53
    Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
    Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
    Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
                Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:    18,00 %,  27,66 ft / 8,43 m,  22,60 ft / 6,89 m
      - Forward deck:    52,00 %,  20,83 ft / 6,35 m,  20,01 ft / 6,10 m
      - Aft deck:    13,00 %,  12,01 ft / 3,66 m,  12,01 ft / 3,66 m
      - Quarter deck:    17,00 %,  12,01 ft / 3,66 m,  12,01 ft / 3,66 m
      - Average freeboard:        18,66 ft / 5,69 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
    Space    - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 63,3 %
        - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 147,8 %
    Waterplane Area: 46 708 Square feet or 4 339 Square metres
    Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107 %
    Structure weight / hull surface area: 197 lbs/sq ft or 963 Kg/sq metre
    Hull strength (Relative):
        - Cross-sectional: 0,95
        - Longitudinal: 1,48
        - Overall: 1,00
    Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
    Excellent accommodation and workspace room
    Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
    Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Misc weight: 838t
AD:
25t for Marconi
278t for Top Fire Control
25t  for Hulesmeyer
OD
50t for cata + 2 floatplanes
15t for night fighting
100t reserved
AW:
130t for climatisation
20t reserved
BW:
130t for additional pumps installation
15t for enhanced hydrophone

"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Jefgte

#33
July 15, 2024, 04:23:29 PM
USS Alaska in panzerschiff style

A good escort for CV.

Jesbak - Jukhos, Byzantine Empire AC10 laid down 1933

Displacement:
   14 900 t light; 15 787 t standard; 17 063 t normal; 18 083 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (619,44 ft / 613,52 ft) x 79,13 ft x (23,88 / 24,97 ft)
   (188,81 m / 187,00 m) x 24,12 m  x (7,28 / 7,61 m)

Armament:
      6 - 12,01" / 305 mm 50,0 cal guns - 949,99lbs / 430,91kg shells, 105 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1933 Model
     2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      16 - 4,49" / 114 mm 45,0 cal guns - 58,00lbs / 26,31kg shells, 340 per gun
     Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
     8 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 39,0 cal guns - 2,01lbs / 0,91kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
     8 x 2-gun mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      16 - 0,50" / 12,7 mm 62,0 cal guns - 0,07lbs / 0,03kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
     8 x 2-gun mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 6 661 lbs / 3 021 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7,09" / 180 mm   435,60 ft / 132,77 m   10,66 ft / 3,25 m
   Ends:   1,57" / 40 mm   177,89 ft / 54,22 m   10,66 ft / 3,25 m
   Upper:   1,57" / 40 mm   435,60 ft / 132,77 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 109 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
      1,57" / 40 mm   435,60 ft / 132,77 m   21,33 ft / 6,50 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 62,34 ft / 19,00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9,45" / 240 mm   3,94" / 100 mm      7,09" / 180 mm
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,24" / 6 mm         -               -
   5th:   0,24" / 6 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2,36" / 60 mm
   Forecastle: 1,18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1,97" / 50 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 7,87" / 200 mm, Aft 3,94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 93 077 shp / 69 435 Kw = 30,00 kts
   Range 12 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 295 tons

Complement:
   746 - 970

Cost:
   £7,131 million / $28,525 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 480 tons, 8,7 %
      - Guns: 1 480 tons, 8,7 %
   Armour: 4 451 tons, 26,1 %
      - Belts: 1 704 tons, 10,0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 541 tons, 3,2 %
      - Armament: 654 tons, 3,8 %
      - Armour Deck: 1 383 tons, 8,1 %
      - Conning Towers: 169 tons, 1,0 %
   Machinery: 2 712 tons, 15,9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5 780 tons, 33,9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 162 tons, 12,7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 477 tons, 2,8 %
      - Hull below water: 75 tons
      - Hull above water: 75 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 154 tons
      - Above deck: 173 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     21 589 lbs / 9 793 Kg = 24,9 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 3,4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
   Metacentric height 4,2 ft / 1,3 m
   Roll period: 16,2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,66
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,08

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,515 / 0,522
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,75 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24,77 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15,00 %,  27,89 ft / 8,50 m,  23,62 ft / 7,20 m
      - Forward deck:   35,50 %,  23,62 ft / 7,20 m,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m
      - Aft deck:   35,50 %,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m,  17,39 ft / 5,30 m
      - Quarter deck:   14,00 %,  17,39 ft / 5,30 m,  17,39 ft / 5,30 m
      - Average freeboard:      20,27 ft / 6,18 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 109,2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 165,5 %
   Waterplane Area: 32 796 Square feet or 3 047 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 147 lbs/sq ft or 720 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,95
      - Longitudinal: 1,54
      - Overall: 1,00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

AD
25t for Long Range Marconi
148t for top mast rangefinder - 1930
OD
24t for 2x3TTx21"HW
50t for 2 armed seaplanes + cata
20t for night fighting
20t for Hulsmeyer
40t reserved
AW
climatisation
BW
75t for additionnal pumps

"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Jefgte

#34
July 17, 2024, 01:09:16 AM Last Edit: August 13, 2024, 03:22:38 PM by Jefgte
Update 12330t cruiser with better armor

12900t Cruiser, Byzantine Empire AC-3T3x234 laid down 1933

Displacement:
    12 950 t light; 13 684 t standard; 14 862 t normal; 15 803 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
    (628,22 ft / 623,36 ft) x 77,10 ft x (23,23 / 24,29 ft)
    (191,48 m / 190,00 m) x 23,50 m  x (7,08 / 7,40 m)

Armament:
      9 - 9,21" / 234 mm 51,0 cal guns - 390,99lbs / 177,35kg shells, 125 per gun
      Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1933 Model
      3 x Triple mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
        1 raised mount - superfiring
      16 - 4,49" / 114 mm 45,0 cal guns - 58,00lbs / 26,31kg shells, 300 per gun
      Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
      8 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 39,0 cal guns - 2,01lbs / 0,91kg shells, 2 000 per gun
      Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
      8 x 2-gun mounts on side ends, evenly spread
        8 raised mounts
      16 - 0,50" / 12,7 mm 62,0 cal guns - 0,07lbs / 0,03kg shells, 4 000 per gun
      Machine guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
      8 x 2-gun mounts on side ends, evenly spread
        8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4 480 lbs / 2 032 kg

Armour:
  - Belts:        Width (max)    Length (avg)        Height (avg)
    Main:    7,09" / 180 mm    420,77 ft / 128,25 m    10,53 ft / 3,21 m
    Ends:    1,57" / 40 mm    202,56 ft / 61,74 m    10,53 ft / 3,21 m
      Main Belt covers 104 % of normal length

  - Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
        1,57" / 40 mm    420,77 ft / 128,25 m    19,49 ft / 5,94 m
    Beam between torpedo bulkheads 60,70 ft / 18,50 m

  - Gun armour:    Face (max)    Other gunhouse (avg)    Barbette/hoist (max)
    Main:    7,87" / 200 mm    2,36" / 60 mm        5,91" / 150 mm
    2nd:    0,39" / 10 mm          -                  -
    3rd:    0,24" / 6 mm          -                  -
    4th:    0,24" / 6 mm          -                  -

  - Armoured deck - single deck:
    For and Aft decks: 2,36" / 60 mm
    Forecastle: 1,18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 2,36" / 60 mm

  - Conning towers: Forward 7,09" / 180 mm, Aft 3,94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
    Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
    Geared drive, 4 shafts, 82 468 shp / 61 521 Kw = 30,00 kts
    Range 12 000nm at 12,00 kts
    Bunker at max displacement = 2 119 tons

Complement:
    672 - 874

Cost:
    £5,784 million / $23,136 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
    Armament: 1 091 tons, 7,3 %
      - Guns: 1 091 tons, 7,3 %
    Armour: 3 964 tons, 26,7 %
      - Belts: 1 429 tons, 9,6 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 478 tons, 3,2 %
      - Armament: 593 tons, 4,0 %
      - Armour Deck: 1 320 tons, 8,9 %
      - Conning Towers: 144 tons, 1,0 %
    Machinery: 2 403 tons, 16,2 %
    Hull, fittings & equipment: 5 101 tons, 34,3 %
    Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 912 tons, 12,9 %
    Miscellaneous weights: 392 tons, 2,6 %
      - Hull below water: 65 tons
      - Hull above water: 61 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 132 tons
      - Above deck: 134 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
    Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
      20 321 lbs / 9 217 Kg = 52,0 x 9,2 " / 234 mm shells or 3,4 torpedoes
    Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,12
    Metacentric height 4,2 ft / 1,3 m
    Roll period: 15,8 seconds
    Steadiness    - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
            - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,52
    Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,15

Hull form characteristics:
    Hull has a flush deck,
      a ram bow and a cruiser stern
    Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,466 / 0,474
    Length to Beam Ratio: 8,09 : 1
    'Natural speed' for length: 24,97 kts
    Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
    Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 62
    Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
    Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
    Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
                Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:    17,25 %,  27,56 ft / 8,40 m,  22,80 ft / 6,95 m
      - Forward deck:    33,75 %,  22,80 ft / 6,95 m,  17,72 ft / 5,40 m
      - Aft deck:    33,75 %,  17,72 ft / 5,40 m,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Quarter deck:    15,25 %,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Average freeboard:        19,36 ft / 5,90 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
    Space    - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 103,4 %
        - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 164,3 %
    Waterplane Area: 31 071 Square feet or 2 887 Square metres
    Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 112 %
    Structure weight / hull surface area: 135 lbs/sq ft or 658 Kg/sq metre
    Hull strength (Relative):
        - Cross-sectional: 0,96
        - Longitudinal: 1,37
        - Overall: 1,00
    Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
    Excellent accommodation and workspace room
    Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

AD
109t for top fire control
25t for Marconi
OD
24t for 2x3TTx21" HW
30t for cata + seaplane
20t for Hulsmeyer
20t for night fighting
38t reserved
AW
Climatisation
BW
65t for additionnal pumps

12000nm-12kts
6120nm-16kts
3600nm-20kts
1860nm-25kts
1200nm-30kts
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

TacCovert4

#35
July 17, 2024, 03:08:41 AM
Panzerschiffes your Alaska......It's a good ship.....it's also the 'bullpups your rifle' of ships, which means it's both a good ship, and funny to think about.

Quote from: Jefgte on July 15, 2024, 04:23:29 PMUSS Alaska in panzerschiff style

A good escort for CV.

Jesbak - Jukhos, Byzantine Empire AC10 laid down 1933

Displacement:
   14 900 t light; 15 787 t standard; 17 063 t normal; 18 083 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (619,44 ft / 613,52 ft) x 79,13 ft x (23,88 / 24,97 ft)
   (188,81 m / 187,00 m) x 24,12 m  x (7,28 / 7,61 m)

Armament:
      6 - 12,01" / 305 mm 50,0 cal guns - 949,99lbs / 430,91kg shells, 105 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1933 Model
     2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      16 - 4,49" / 114 mm 45,0 cal guns - 58,00lbs / 26,31kg shells, 340 per gun
     Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
     8 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 39,0 cal guns - 2,01lbs / 0,91kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
     8 x 2-gun mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      16 - 0,50" / 12,7 mm 62,0 cal guns - 0,07lbs / 0,03kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
     8 x 2-gun mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 6 661 lbs / 3 021 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7,09" / 180 mm   435,60 ft / 132,77 m   10,66 ft / 3,25 m
   Ends:   1,57" / 40 mm   177,89 ft / 54,22 m   10,66 ft / 3,25 m
   Upper:   1,57" / 40 mm   435,60 ft / 132,77 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 109 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
      1,57" / 40 mm   435,60 ft / 132,77 m   21,33 ft / 6,50 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 62,34 ft / 19,00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9,45" / 240 mm   3,94" / 100 mm      7,09" / 180 mm
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,24" / 6 mm         -               -
   5th:   0,24" / 6 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2,36" / 60 mm
   Forecastle: 1,18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1,97" / 50 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 7,87" / 200 mm, Aft 3,94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 93 077 shp / 69 435 Kw = 30,00 kts
   Range 12 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 295 tons

Complement:
   746 - 970

Cost:
   £7,131 million / $28,525 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 480 tons, 8,7 %
      - Guns: 1 480 tons, 8,7 %
   Armour: 4 451 tons, 26,1 %
      - Belts: 1 704 tons, 10,0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 541 tons, 3,2 %
      - Armament: 654 tons, 3,8 %
      - Armour Deck: 1 383 tons, 8,1 %
      - Conning Towers: 169 tons, 1,0 %
   Machinery: 2 712 tons, 15,9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5 780 tons, 33,9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 162 tons, 12,7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 477 tons, 2,8 %
      - Hull below water: 75 tons
      - Hull above water: 75 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 154 tons
      - Above deck: 173 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     21 589 lbs / 9 793 Kg = 24,9 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 3,4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
   Metacentric height 4,2 ft / 1,3 m
   Roll period: 16,2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,66
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,08

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,515 / 0,522
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,75 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24,77 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15,00 %,  27,89 ft / 8,50 m,  23,62 ft / 7,20 m
      - Forward deck:   35,50 %,  23,62 ft / 7,20 m,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m
      - Aft deck:   35,50 %,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m,  17,39 ft / 5,30 m
      - Quarter deck:   14,00 %,  17,39 ft / 5,30 m,  17,39 ft / 5,30 m
      - Average freeboard:      20,27 ft / 6,18 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 109,2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 165,5 %
   Waterplane Area: 32 796 Square feet or 3 047 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 147 lbs/sq ft or 720 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,95
      - Longitudinal: 1,54
      - Overall: 1,00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

AD
25t for Long Range Marconi
148t for top mast rangefinder - 1930
OD
24t for 2x3TTx21"HW
50t for 2 armed seaplanes + cata
20t for night fighting
20t for Hulsmeyer
40t reserved
AW
climatisation
BW
75t for additionnal pumps


His Most Honorable Majesty,  Ali the 8th, Sultan of All Aztecs,  Eagle of the Sun, Jaguar of the Sun, Snake of the Sun, Seal of the Sun, Whale of the Sun, Defender of the Faith, Keeper of the Teachings of Allah most gracious and merciful.

Jefgte

#36
July 27, 2024, 07:39:53 AM
AC5 - 28500t - Eupatoria & Enteia need refurbishment.
1930 engines (always 29kts)
New bow to be better seaboat
New 133/45DP for secondary & better deck armor.
1930 technos materials.


AC5EupatoriaRefurbishment 1933
28500t =>28590t0,2$ - 0BP5,7180
tonnagecoef$BP
new guns66t2$ => 1BP0,1320,066
new mounts266t1$ => 1BP0,2660,266
new armour55t1$ => 1BP0,0550,055
new engines3555t2$ => 1BP7,113,555
25%engineselec motors0t2$ => 1BP00
new belt38t1$ => 1BP0,0380,03898 =>100%
new deck790t1$ => 1BP0,790,7980 =>100
new bow367t1$ => 1BP0,3670,367
14,4765,137
old guns42t15%0,0420,042
old mounts72t15%0,0720,072
old armor51t15%0,0510,051
old deck015%00
old engines5041t15%5,045,04
15%0,780,78
Final cost14,476- 0,78 =>13,7$
Final cost5,137 - 0,78 =>4,357BP

Eupatoria - Enteia, Byzantine Empire AC5 laid down 1910 (Engine 1933)

Displacement:
   28 590 t light; 30 220 t standard; 31 890 t normal; 33 226 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (722,56 ft / 721,00 ft) x 103,02 ft x (25,69 / 26,56 ft)
   (220,24 m / 219,76 m) x 31,40 m  x (7,83 / 8,10 m)

Armament:
      9 - 13,50" / 343 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1 410,01lbs / 639,57kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1910 Model
     3 x Triple mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      16 - 5,24" / 133 mm 45,0 cal guns - 80,01lbs / 36,29kg shells, 300 per gun
     Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1933 Model
     8 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      32 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 39,0 cal guns - 2,01lbs / 0,91kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model
     8 x 4-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      16 - 0,50" / 12,7 mm 62,0 cal guns - 0,07lbs / 0,03kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model
     8 x 2-gun mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 14 035 lbs / 6 366 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12,6" / 320 mm   469,85 ft / 143,21 m   9,00 ft / 2,74 m
   Ends:   3,94" / 100 mm   251,15 ft / 76,55 m   8,00 ft / 2,44 m
   Upper:   3,94" / 100 mm   469,85 ft / 143,21 m   13,00 ft / 3,96 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      1,50" / 38 mm   469,85 ft / 143,21 m   23,36 ft / 7,12 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 87,99 ft / 26,82 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13,4" / 340 mm   4,72" / 120 mm      11,8" / 300 mm
   3rd:   0,98" / 25 mm   0,79" / 20 mm      0,79" / 20 mm
   4th:   0,24" / 6 mm         -               -
   5th:   0,24" / 6 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 3,94" / 100 mm
   Forecastle: 1,77" / 45 mm  Quarter deck: 3,15" / 80 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10,63" / 270 mm, Aft 3,94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 122 000 shp / 91 012 Kw = 29,21 kts
   Range 10 225nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3 006 tons

Complement:
   1 193 - 1 551

Cost:
   £2,654 million / $10,618 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2 265 tons, 7,1 %
      - Guns: 2 265 tons, 7,1 %
   Armour: 9 988 tons, 31,3 %
      - Belts: 3 612 tons, 11,3 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 608 tons, 1,9 %
      - Armament: 1 809 tons, 5,7 %
      - Armour Deck: 3 644 tons, 11,4 %
      - Conning Towers: 316 tons, 1,0 %
   Machinery: 3 555 tons, 11,1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 11 965 tons, 37,5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3 300 tons, 10,3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 816 tons, 2,6 %
      - Hull below water: 140 tons
      - Hull above water: 140 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 285 tons
      - Above deck: 251 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     47 148 lbs / 21 386 Kg = 38,3 x 13,5 " / 343 mm shells or 7,4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,14
   Metacentric height 6,7 ft / 2,0 m
   Roll period: 16,7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,53
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,03

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,585 / 0,589
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26,85 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 3,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00 %,  29,79 ft / 9,08 m,  23,06 ft / 7,03 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00 %,  23,06 ft / 7,03 m,  19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Aft deck:   32,00 %,  19,69 ft / 6,00 m,  19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Quarter deck:   18,00 %,  19,69 ft / 6,00 m,  19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Average freeboard:      21,41 ft / 6,52 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 83,5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 174,4 %
   Waterplane Area: 53 567 Square feet or 4 977 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 181 lbs/sq ft or 882 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,97
      - Longitudinal: 1,22
      - Overall: 1,00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Misc Weight: 816t
OD
25t for LR Marconi
226t for Top mast fire control - 1930
OD
25t for Huelsmeyer
32t for 2x4TTx533 HW
50t for cata+2 seaplanes
25t for night fighting
100t for Admiral Staff
53t reserved
AW
140t for climatisation
BW
140t for additionnal pumps

"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Kaiser Kirk

#37
July 29, 2024, 11:26:15 PM
Quote from: Jefgte on July 27, 2024, 07:39:53 AMAC5 - 28500t - Eupatoria & Enteia need refurbishment.
1930 engines (always 29kts)
New bow to be better seaboat
New 133/45DP for secondary & better deck armor.
1930 technos materials.

As you know, I've been doing a ton of refits and refurbishments,
Part of that is to keep up with the Byzantines, as I scrapped and built new I would have fewer hulls for all my needs.

But...sometimes I think I should have just scrapped all my old ships so I could build MORE shiny new ones. 
Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

Jefgte

#38
July 31, 2024, 04:21:18 PM Last Edit: August 13, 2024, 03:21:15 PM by Jefgte
Quote1933 CV new rules => Modifs SS from CV3 class - 20940t - LD 1932

Quote
Ships can undergo a Basic Refit when the hull is 75% completed for no additional cost or modification to construction time.

Puzuldeniz 13340t => 64% built
Kripodeniz 8840t => 42% built

To install an armored deck and a reinforced hangar floor, the armor distribution is changed.
It was 3376t and becomes 3767t.
To find the 390 t, :
8 x 191/45 removed
The length of the armored citadel is reduced from 208m to 145m
(65% of the length)
The number of aircraft is reduced to 56.
Misc weight adjusted.

Hull and engines => no modifs.

Pusuldeniz - Kripodeniz, Byzantine Empire Aircraft Carrier-56 aircrafts laid down 1932

Displacement:
    21 050 t light; 21 737 t standard; 23 586 t normal; 25 065 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
    (730,76 ft / 728,35 ft) x 91,86 ft x (24,68 / 25,84 ft)
    (222,74 m / 222,00 m) x 28,00 m  x (7,52 / 7,88 m)

Armament:
      16 - 4,02" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 33,00lbs / 14,97kg shells, 340 per gun
      Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1932 Model
      8 x 2-gun mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      24 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 39,0 cal guns - 2,01lbs / 0,91kg shells, 4 000 per gun
      Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1932 Model
      12 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
        12 raised mounts
      24 - 0,50" / 12,7 mm 62,0 cal guns - 0,07lbs / 0,03kg shells, 10 000 per gun
      Machine guns in deck mounts, 1932 Model
      12 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
        12 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 578 lbs / 262 kg

Armour:
  - Belts:        Width (max)    Length (avg)        Height (avg)
    Main:    1,97" / 50 mm    475,72 ft / 145,00 m    11,52 ft / 3,51 m
    Ends:    1,18" / 30 mm    252,62 ft / 77,00 m    11,52 ft / 3,51 m
      Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

  - Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
        1,97" / 50 mm    475,72 ft / 145,00 m    21,72 ft / 6,62 m
    Beam between torpedo bulkheads 72,18 ft / 22,00 m

  - Gun armour:    Face (max)    Other gunhouse (avg)    Barbette/hoist (max)
    2nd:    0,39" / 10 mm          -                  -
    3rd:    0,24" / 6 mm          -                  -
    4th:    0,24" / 6 mm          -                  -

  - Protected deck - multiple decks:
    For and Aft decks: 2,95" / 75 mm
    Forecastle: 0,00" / 0 mm  Quarter deck: 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
    Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
    Geared drive, 2 shafts, 105 820 shp / 78 942 Kw = 30,00 kts
    Range 10 000nm at 14,00 kts
    Bunker at max displacement = 3 328 tons

Complement:
    951 - 1 237

Cost:
    £5,465 million / $21,861 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
    Armament: 108 tons, 0,5 %
      - Guns: 108 tons, 0,5 %
    Armour: 3 767 tons, 16,0 %
      - Belts: 579 tons, 2,5 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 753 tons, 3,2 %
      - Armament: 10 tons, 0,0 %
      - Armour Deck: 2 425 tons, 10,3 %
    Machinery: 3 123 tons, 13,2 %
    Hull, fittings & equipment: 8 596 tons, 36,4 %
    Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 536 tons, 10,8 %
    Miscellaneous weights: 5 456 tons, 23,1 %
      - Hull below water: 2 750 tons
      - Hull above water: 2 450 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 220 tons
      - Above deck: 36 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
    Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
      59 702 lbs / 27 080 Kg = 552,8 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 8,0 torpedoes
    Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,28
    Metacentric height 6,8 ft / 2,1 m
    Roll period: 14,7 seconds
    Steadiness    - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 96 %
            - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,04
    Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2,00

Hull form characteristics:
    Hull has low forecastle, low quarterdeck ,
      a normal bow and a cruiser stern
    Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,500 / 0,507
    Length to Beam Ratio: 7,93 : 1
    'Natural speed' for length: 26,99 kts
    Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
    Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
    Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 6,00 degrees
    Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
    Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
                Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:    6,00 %,  22,97 ft / 7,00 m,  19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Forward deck:    47,00 %,  39,37 ft / 12,00 m,  39,37 ft / 12,00 m
      - Aft deck:    47,00 %,  39,37 ft / 12,00 m,  39,37 ft / 12,00 m
      - Quarter deck:    0,00 %,  19,69 ft / 6,00 m,  19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Average freeboard:        38,27 ft / 11,66 m
    Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
    Space    - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 88,8 %
        - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 351,2 %
    Waterplane Area: 44 579 Square feet or 4 142 Square metres
    Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 150 %
    Structure weight / hull surface area: 118 lbs/sq ft or 578 Kg/sq metre
    Hull strength (Relative):
        - Cross-sectional: 0,88
        - Longitudinal: 3,31
        - Overall: 1,00
    Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
    Excellent accommodation and workspace room
    Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
    Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

1933 Armored box carrier techno
50mm Flight Deck
25mm Hanger Deck

misc weight: 5456t
AD
25t for LR Marconi
11t for 1930 fire control
OD
120t for Climatisation
100t for Fire Fighting
HAW
2080t for 26 aircrafts
120t for Climatisation
100t for Fire Fighting
150t for aircrafts spare parts
HBW
2400t for 30 aircrafts
100t for Fire Fighting
100t for additionnal pumps
150t reserved for  material...


"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Jefgte

#39
August 13, 2024, 03:19:48 PM
Update the 12900t Cruiser, in the PLAN, with better armor

13400t Cruiser, Byzantine Empire AC10 laid down 1933

Displacement:
   13 400 t light; 14 169 t standard; 15 567 t normal; 16 685 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (628,22 ft / 623,36 ft) x 77,10 ft x (24,33 / 25,59 ft)
   (191,48 m / 190,00 m) x 23,50 m  x (7,42 / 7,80 m)

Armament:
      9 - 9,21" / 234 mm 51,0 cal guns - 390,99lbs / 177,35kg shells, 125 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1933 Model
     3 x Triple mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      16 - 4,49" / 114 mm 45,0 cal guns - 58,00lbs / 26,31kg shells, 340 per gun
     Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
     8 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 39,0 cal guns - 2,01lbs / 0,91kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
     8 x 2-gun mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      16 - 0,50" / 12,7 mm 62,0 cal guns - 0,07lbs / 0,03kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
     8 x 2-gun mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4 480 lbs / 2 032 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7,87" / 200 mm   411,42 ft / 125,40 m   10,53 ft / 3,21 m
   Ends:   1,18" / 30 mm   211,91 ft / 64,59 m   10,53 ft / 3,21 m
     Main Belt covers 102 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
      1,57" / 40 mm   411,42 ft / 125,40 m   20,51 ft / 6,25 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 60,70 ft / 18,50 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9,84" / 250 mm   2,95" / 75 mm      7,87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0,24" / 6 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,24" / 6 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2,36" / 60 mm
   Forecastle: 1,18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 2,36" / 60 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 7,09" / 180 mm, Aft 3,94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 84 810 shp / 63 269 Kw = 30,00 kts
   Range 14 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 516 tons

Complement:
   696 - 905

Cost:
   £5,904 million / $23,614 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 091 tons, 7,0 %
      - Guns: 1 091 tons, 7,0 %
   Armour: 4 250 tons, 27,3 %
      - Belts: 1 516 tons, 9,7 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 492 tons, 3,2 %
      - Armament: 775 tons, 5,0 %
      - Armour Deck: 1 319 tons, 8,5 %
      - Conning Towers: 148 tons, 1,0 %
   Machinery: 2 471 tons, 15,9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5 207 tons, 33,5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 167 tons, 13,9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 381 tons, 2,4 %
      - Hull below water: 67 tons
      - Hull above water: 66 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 104 tons
      - Above deck: 144 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     21 091 lbs / 9 567 Kg = 53,9 x 9,2 " / 234 mm shells or 3,5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
   Metacentric height 4,0 ft / 1,2 m
   Roll period: 16,1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,52
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,13

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,466 / 0,475
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8,09 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24,97 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 62
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   17,50 %,  27,56 ft / 8,40 m,  22,80 ft / 6,95 m
      - Forward deck:   33,50 %,  22,80 ft / 6,95 m,  17,72 ft / 5,40 m
      - Aft deck:   32,50 %,  17,72 ft / 5,40 m,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Quarter deck:   16,50 %,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Average freeboard:      19,36 ft / 5,90 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 100,9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 158,9 %
   Waterplane Area: 31 071 Square feet or 2 887 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 114 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 136 lbs/sq ft or 664 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,96
      - Longitudinal: 1,39
      - Overall: 1,00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

AD
109t for top fire control - 1930
25t for Marconi
20t hulesmeyer
OD
24t for 2x3TTx21" HW
30t for cata + seaplane
20t for nigth fighting
30t reserved
AW
Climatisation
BW
67t for additionnal pumps

"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Jefgte

#40
August 26, 2024, 12:42:05 AM Last Edit: August 26, 2024, 12:45:27 AM by Jefgte
With the increasing number of aircraft carriers and the threat of aviation against ships, Byzantine Empire evolved the "DD" destroyers to "DA" more equipped with anti-aircraft weapons and intended to be manufactured in numbers. (Atlanta & Dido classes were considered too specialized and too expensive).

Fleet Destroyer, Byzantine Empire DA1650 laid down 1934

Displacement:
    1 650 t light; 1 769 t standard; 2 057 t normal; 2 288 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
    (385,21 ft / 380,58 ft) x 38,06 ft x (12,30 / 13,21 ft)
    (117,41 m / 116,00 m) x 11,60 m  x (3,75 / 4,03 m)

Armament:
      4 - 4,49" / 114 mm 45,0 cal guns - 58,00lbs / 26,31kg shells, 320 per gun
      Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model
      2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 39,0 cal guns - 2,01lbs / 0,91kg shells, 2 000 per gun
      Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model
      2 x 4-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
        2 raised mounts
      8 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 39,0 cal guns - 2,01lbs / 0,91kg shells, 2 000 per gun
      Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model
      2 x 4-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft
        2 raised mounts
      4 - 0,50" / 12,7 mm 62,0 cal guns - 0,07lbs / 0,03kg shells, 4 000 per gun
      Machine guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model
      2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward
        2 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 264 lbs / 120 kg

Armour:
  - Gun armour:    Face (max)    Other gunhouse (avg)    Barbette/hoist (max)
    Main:    0,39" / 10 mm          -                  -
    2nd:    0,24" / 6 mm          -                  -
    3rd:    0,24" / 6 mm          -                  -
    4th:    0,24" / 6 mm          -                  -

Machinery:
    Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
    Geared drive, 2 shafts, 40 068 shp / 29 891 Kw = 32,68 kts
    Range 10 000nm at 12,00 kts
    Bunker at max displacement = 519 tons

Complement:
    152 - 198

Cost:
    £1,041 million / $4,165 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
    Armament: 41 tons, 2,0 %
      - Guns: 41 tons, 2,0 %
    Armour: 4 tons, 0,2 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 0,2 %
    Machinery: 1 028 tons, 50,0 %
    Hull, fittings & equipment: 487 tons, 23,7 %
    Fuel, ammunition & stores: 407 tons, 19,8 %
    Miscellaneous weights: 90 tons, 4,4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 86 tons
      - Above deck: 4 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
    Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
      610 lbs / 276 Kg = 13,5 x 4,5 " / 114 mm shells or 0,3 torpedoes
    Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,36
    Metacentric height 2,0 ft / 0,6 m
    Roll period: 11,3 seconds
    Steadiness    - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
            - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,15
    Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,03

Hull form characteristics:
    Hull has a flush deck,
      a normal bow and a cruiser stern
    Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,404 / 0,419
    Length to Beam Ratio: 10,00 : 1
    'Natural speed' for length: 19,51 kts
    Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
    Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
    Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12,00 degrees
    Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
    Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
                Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:    17,50 %,  21,82 ft / 6,65 m,  17,55 ft / 5,35 m
      - Forward deck:    33,50 %,  17,55 ft / 5,35 m,  12,96 ft / 3,95 m
      - Aft deck:    33,50 %,  12,96 ft / 3,95 m,  11,65 ft / 3,55 m
      - Quarter deck:    15,50 %,  11,65 ft / 3,55 m,  11,73 ft / 3,58 m
      - Average freeboard:        14,41 ft / 4,39 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
    Space    - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 169,8 %
        - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 154,3 %
    Waterplane Area: 8 936 Square feet or 830 Square metres
    Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 82 %
    Structure weight / hull surface area: 33 lbs/sq ft or 160 Kg/sq metre
    Hull strength (Relative):
        - Cross-sectional: 0,50
        - Longitudinal: 1,21
        - Overall: 0,54
    Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
    Excellent accommodation and workspace room
    Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

AD
4t for top fire control - 1930
Short Marconi
OD
32t for 2x4TTx533 HW
5t for night fighting
15t for enhanced hydrophone
10t for sonar
6t for 18x180kg DC
2t for paravanes
16t reserved for new material, armament.
AW
Climatisation

Trial speed: 33kts
Bonus: 0.32

3900nm-18kts
3000nm-20kts
1000nm-30kts
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Kaiser Kirk

#41
August 26, 2024, 10:48:48 PM
I've found the Atlanta/Dido also too expensive. I've rebuilt a couple old cruisers to explore the role, but my choosing guns&armor over speed mean most of my ships have good secondaries, and I just did extensive refits to update my fleet AA. So the need for a CLAA seems lower. The new DD classes mount DP guns as it is.
Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

Jefgte

#42
August 29, 2024, 05:23:30 PM
More economical than DA 1650t & Built for colonial works.
=> Built in 100m shipyards

D16, Byzantine Empire DA-Colonial Destroyer laid down 1934

Displacement:
   1 250 t light; 1 358 t standard; 1 541 t normal; 1 688 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (327,95 ft / 324,80 ft) x 32,48 ft x (12,66 / 13,44 ft)
   (99,96 m / 99,00 m) x 9,90 m  x (3,86 / 4,10 m)

Armament:
      4 - 4,49" / 114 mm 45,0 cal guns - 58,00lbs / 26,31kg shells, 320 per gun
     Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model
     2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 39,0 cal guns - 2,01lbs / 0,91kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model
     2 x 4-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      8 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 39,0 cal guns - 2,01lbs / 0,91kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model
     2 x 4-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      4 - 0,50" / 12,7 mm 62,0 cal guns - 0,07lbs / 0,03kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model
     2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck forward
      2 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 264 lbs / 120 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0,24" / 6 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0,24" / 6 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,24" / 6 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 32 500 shp / 24 245 Kw = 31,80 kts
   Range 7 500nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 329 tons

Complement:
   122 - 159

Cost:
   £0,795 million / $3,182 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 41 tons, 2,7 %
      - Guns: 41 tons, 2,7 %
   Armour: 4 tons, 0,2 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 0,2 %
   Machinery: 770 tons, 50,0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 368 tons, 23,9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 291 tons, 18,9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 67 tons, 4,3 %
      - On freeboard deck: 63 tons
      - Above deck: 4 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     421 lbs / 191 Kg = 9,3 x 4,5 " / 114 mm shells or 0,3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,26
   Metacentric height 1,4 ft / 0,4 m
   Roll period: 11,5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,26
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,01

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,404 / 0,416
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18,02 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 66 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 9,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   17,50 %,  19,85 ft / 6,05 m,  15,91 ft / 4,85 m
      - Forward deck:   33,50 %,  15,91 ft / 4,85 m,  12,30 ft / 3,75 m
      - Aft deck:   33,50 %,  12,30 ft / 3,75 m,  11,32 ft / 3,45 m
      - Quarter deck:   15,50 %,  11,32 ft / 3,45 m,  11,65 ft / 3,55 m
      - Average freeboard:      13,52 ft / 4,12 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 172,4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 131,7 %
   Waterplane Area: 6 509 Square feet or 605 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 76 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 31 lbs/sq ft or 151 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,50
      - Longitudinal: 1,81
      - Overall: 0,56
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

AD
4t for top fire control
Short Marconi
OD
24t for 2x3TTx533 HW
15t for enhanced hydrophone
5t for night fighting
6t for 30x195kg DC
2t for paravanes
11t reserved
AW
Climatisation

Trial speed: 32,5kts
Bonus: 0.7

"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Kaiser Kirk

#43
August 29, 2024, 09:32:03 PM
Comparable to my Robah 'Fox' class, but I consider that a fleet destroyer.
We make slightly different choices, and yours is a couple years newer.

With the 12 knot cruise at first I thought it was very short legged, but you have
a long range at that speed, so we have almost identical bunker loads.
Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

Jefgte

#44
September 02, 2024, 04:27:30 PM Last Edit: September 06, 2024, 03:36:45 PM by Jefgte
This class is an update of 3000t - 1928 - C12 class
with new 6"/50 guns (HMS Ajax guns) & Better armor.

Rasthu - Ryshma, Byzantine Empire C18 laid down 1934

Displacement:
    3 000 t light; 3 176 t standard; 3 582 t normal; 3 906 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
    (441,25 ft / 436,35 ft) x 45,93 ft x (13,20 / 14,07 ft)
    (134,49 m / 133,00 m) x 14,00 m  x (4,02 / 4,29 m)

Armament:
      6 - 5,98" / 152 mm 50,0 cal guns - 111,99lbs / 50,80kg shells, 180 per gun
      Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1934 Model
      3 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
        1 raised mount - superfiring
      16 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 39,0 cal guns - 2,01lbs / 0,91kg shells, 2 000 per gun
      Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model
      4 x 4-gun mounts on side ends, evenly spread
        4 raised mounts
      8 - 0,50" / 12,7 mm 62,0 cal guns - 0,07lbs / 0,03kg shells, 4 000 per gun
      Machine guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model
      4 x 2-gun mounts on side ends, evenly spread
        4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 705 lbs / 320 kg

Armour:
  - Belts:        Width (max)    Length (avg)        Height (avg)
    Main:    2,95" / 75 mm    312,01 ft / 95,10 m    8,14 ft / 2,48 m
    Ends:    Unarmoured
      Main Belt covers 110 % of normal length

  - Gun armour:    Face (max)    Other gunhouse (avg)    Barbette/hoist (max)
    Main:    2,76" / 70 mm    0,98" / 25 mm        1,57" / 40 mm
    4th:    0,24" / 6 mm          -                  -
    5th:    0,24" / 6 mm          -                  -

  - Armoured deck - single deck:
    For and Aft decks: 1,18" / 30 mm
    Forecastle: 0,79" / 20 mm  Quarter deck: 1,18" / 30 mm

  - Conning towers: Forward 2,76" / 70 mm, Aft 0,98" / 25 mm

Machinery:
    Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
    Geared drive, 4 shafts, 33 964 shp / 25 337 Kw = 29,00 kts
    Range 10 000nm at 12,00 kts
    Bunker at max displacement = 731 tons

Complement:
    230 - 300

Cost:
    £1,547 million / $6,187 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
    Armament: 208 tons, 5,8 %
      - Guns: 208 tons, 5,8 %
    Armour: 643 tons, 18,0 %
      - Belts: 304 tons, 8,5 %
      - Armament: 38 tons, 1,1 %
      - Armour Deck: 282 tons, 7,9 %
      - Conning Towers: 19 tons, 0,5 %
    Machinery: 977 tons, 27,3 %
    Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 067 tons, 29,8 %
    Fuel, ammunition & stores: 582 tons, 16,2 %
    Miscellaneous weights: 105 tons, 2,9 %
      - Hull below water: 15 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 44 tons
      - Above deck: 46 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
    Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
      2 901 lbs / 1 316 Kg = 27,1 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 0,9 torpedoes
    Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,09
    Metacentric height 1,8 ft / 0,6 m
    Roll period: 14,2 seconds
    Steadiness    - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
            - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,52
    Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,01

Hull form characteristics:
    Hull has a flush deck,
      a normal bow and a cruiser stern
    Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,474 / 0,485
    Length to Beam Ratio: 9,50 : 1
    'Natural speed' for length: 20,89 kts
    Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
    Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
    Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12,00 degrees
    Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
    Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
                Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:    14,75 %,  23,03 ft / 7,02 m,  17,06 ft / 5,20 m
      - Forward deck:    35,75 %,  17,06 ft / 5,20 m,  13,78 ft / 4,20 m
      - Aft deck:    35,75 %,  13,78 ft / 4,20 m,  12,57 ft / 3,83 m
      - Quarter deck:    13,75 %,  12,57 ft / 3,83 m,  12,47 ft / 3,80 m
      - Average freeboard:        14,81 ft / 4,51 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
    Space    - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 109,3 %
        - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 154,5 %
    Waterplane Area: 13 047 Square feet or 1 212 Square metres
    Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
    Structure weight / hull surface area: 59 lbs/sq ft or 287 Kg/sq metre
    Hull strength (Relative):
        - Cross-sectional: 0,72
        - Longitudinal: 1,06
        - Overall: 0,75
    Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
    Excellent accommodation and workspace room
    Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

AD
21t for Long Range Marconi
25t for top mast rangefinder - FC1924
OD
24t for 2x3TTx533HW
10t for Night Fighting
10t reserved for new materials, armaments
AW
climatisation
BW
15t for additionnal pumps
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf
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