Byzantine Empire 1933-34

Jefgte · June 08, 2024, 05:18:00 AM

Testing another one with 4T2x234/51 - 10 000t

10 000t AC, Byzantine Empire 4T2x234 laid down 1933

Displacement:
   10 000 t light; 10 603 t standard; 11 625 t normal; 12 443 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (622,62 ft / 616,80 ft) x 66,34 ft x (20,38 / 21,44 ft)
   (189,77 m / 188,00 m) x 20,22 m x (6,21 / 6,53 m)

Armament:
8 - 9,21" / 234 mm 51,0 cal guns - 390,99lbs / 177,35kg shells, 125 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1933 Model
     4 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 4,49" / 114 mm 45,0 cal guns - 58,00lbs / 26,31kg shells, 300 per gun
     Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1933 Model
     6 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
16 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 39,0 cal guns - 2,01lbs / 0,91kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
     8 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
16 - 0,50" / 12,7 mm 62,0 cal guns - 0,07lbs / 0,03kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
     8 x 2-gun mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 3 857 lbs / 1 750 kg

Armour:
- Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   4,72" / 120 mm   422,51 ft / 128,78 m   9,78 ft / 2,98 m
   Ends:   1,18" / 30 mm   194,26 ft / 59,21 m   9,78 ft / 2,98 m
     Main Belt covers 105 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
      1,57" / 40 mm   422,51 ft / 128,78 m   17,68 ft / 5,39 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 57,48 ft / 17,52 m

- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7,09" / 180 mm   2,36" / 60 mm      4,72" / 120 mm
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm     -           -
   4th:   0,24" / 6 mm     -           -
   5th:   0,24" / 6 mm     -           -

- Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1,97" / 50 mm
   Forecastle: 1,18" / 30 mm Quarter deck: 1,57" / 40 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 4,72" / 120 mm, Aft 2,76" / 70 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 70 704 shp / 52 745 Kw = 30,00 kts
   Range 12 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 839 tons

Complement:
   559 - 727

Cost:
   £4,943 million / $19,773 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 143 tons, 9,8 %
     - Guns: 1 143 tons, 9,8 %
   Armour: 2 528 tons, 21,7 %
     - Belts: 882 tons, 7,6 %
     - Torpedo bulkhead: 435 tons, 3,7 %
     - Armament: 183 tons, 1,6 %
     - Armour Deck: 945 tons, 8,1 %
     - Conning Towers: 83 tons, 0,7 %
   Machinery: 2 060 tons, 17,7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 963 tons, 34,1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 626 tons, 14,0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 306 tons, 2,6 %
     - Hull below water: 40 tons
     - On freeboard deck: 127 tons
     - Above deck: 139 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     14 403 lbs / 6 533 Kg = 36,8 x 9,2 " / 234 mm shells or 2,4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,06
   Metacentric height 3,0 ft / 0,9 m
   Roll period: 16,0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,84
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,15

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,488 / 0,496
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,30 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24,84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 61
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
     - Forecastle:   16,25 %, 27,40 ft / 8,35 m, 21,16 ft / 6,45 m
     - Forward deck:   34,25 %, 21,16 ft / 6,45 m, 17,06 ft / 5,20 m
     - Aft deck:   34,25 %, 17,06 ft / 5,20 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
     - Quarter deck:   15,25 %, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
     - Average freeboard:      18,62 ft / 5,68 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 104,8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 164,7 %
   Waterplane Area: 26 968 Square feet or 2 505 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 124 lbs/sq ft or 606 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,97
      - Longitudinal: 1,25
      - Overall: 1,00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

AD
25t for Long Range Marconi
114t for top mast rangefinder - FC1924
OD
32t for 2x4TTx21" HW
45t for 2 seaplanes + cata
40t reserved for new armament, materials, minen...
AW
Climatisatisation
BW
50t for additionnal pumps

Kaiser Kirk · June 08, 2024, 12:17:11 PM

The critique of the mount vs. turret still holds.
If the rotating weight of the USN 8", power assisted, was too high for smooth operations, and was detrimental in shorter range fights,
then a heavily armored 234mm mount at 262tons without power assist can be expected to have the same- I would at the least assign weight to power assist. We have been using 10% of the gun+mount+armor weight.

Jefgte · June 12, 2024, 11:30:58 AM

QuoteThe critique of the mount vs. turret still holds.
If the rotating weight of the USN 8", power assisted, was too high for smooth operations, and was detrimental in shorter range fights,
then a heavily armored 234mm mount at 262tons without power assist can be expected to have the same- I would at the least assign weight to power assist. We have been using 10% of the gun+mount+armor weight.

Of coures: "turret on barbette mounts"

8 - 9,21" / 234 mm 51,0 cal guns - 390,99lbs / 177,35kg shells, 125 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1933 Model
4 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring

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12280t AC, Byzantine Empire 4T2x234 laid down 1933

Displacement:
   12 280 t light; 12 983 t standard; 14 132 t normal; 15 052 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (635,81 ft / 629,92 ft) x 78,74 ft x (21,04 / 22,04 ft)
   (193,80 m / 192,00 m) x 24,00 m x (6,41 / 6,72 m)

Armament:
8 - 9,21" / 234 mm 51,0 cal guns - 390,99lbs / 177,35kg shells, 125 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1933 Model
     4 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 4,49" / 114 mm 45,0 cal guns - 58,00lbs / 26,31kg shells, 320 per gun
     Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1933 Model
     8 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
16 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 39,0 cal guns - 2,01lbs / 0,91kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
     8 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
16 - 0,50" / 12,7 mm 62,0 cal guns - 0,07lbs / 0,03kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
     8 x 2-gun mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 4 089 lbs / 1 855 kg

Armour:
- Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5,91" / 150 mm   431,50 ft / 131,52 m   10,66 ft / 3,25 m
   Ends:   1,18" / 30 mm   198,39 ft / 60,47 m   10,66 ft / 3,25 m
     Main Belt covers 105 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
      1,57" / 40 mm   431,50 ft / 131,52 m   17,91 ft / 5,46 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 62,34 ft / 19,00 m

- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7,09" / 180 mm   2,36" / 60 mm      4,72" / 120 mm
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm     -           -
   4th:   0,24" / 6 mm     -           -
   5th:   0,24" / 6 mm     -           -

- Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1,97" / 50 mm
   Forecastle: 1,18" / 30 mm Quarter deck: 1,57" / 40 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 4,72" / 120 mm, Aft 2,76" / 70 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 80 289 shp / 59 896 Kw = 30,00 kts
   Range 12 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 069 tons

Complement:
   647 - 842

Cost:
   £5,588 million / $22,352 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 269 tons, 9,0 %
     - Guns: 1 269 tons, 9,0 %
   Armour: 3 445 tons, 24,4 %
     - Belts: 1 220 tons, 8,6 %
     - Torpedo bulkhead: 450 tons, 3,2 %
     - Armament: 549 tons, 3,9 %
     - Armour Deck: 1 131 tons, 8,0 %
     - Conning Towers: 94 tons, 0,7 %
   Machinery: 2 339 tons, 16,6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 838 tons, 34,2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 852 tons, 13,1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 389 tons, 2,8 %
     - Hull below water: 60 tons
     - On freeboard deck: 177 tons
     - Above deck: 152 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     19 182 lbs / 8 701 Kg = 49,1 x 9,2 " / 234 mm shells or 3,3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,09
   Metacentric height 4,1 ft / 1,3 m
   Roll period: 16,3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,49
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,05

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,474 / 0,482
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 25,10 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 68
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
     - Forecastle:   17,25 %, 27,72 ft / 8,45 m, 21,16 ft / 6,45 m
     - Forward deck:   34,25 %, 21,16 ft / 6,45 m, 17,06 ft / 5,20 m
     - Aft deck:   34,25 %, 17,06 ft / 5,20 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
     - Quarter deck:   14,25 %, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
     - Average freeboard:      18,72 ft / 5,70 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 104,8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 170,4 %
   Waterplane Area: 32 288 Square feet or 3 000 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 133 lbs/sq ft or 649 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,98
      - Longitudinal: 1,18
      - Overall: 1,00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

AD
25t for Long Range Marconi
127t for top mast rangefinder - FC1924
OD
32t for 2x4TTx21" HW
45t for 2 seaplanes + cata
60t reserved for new armament, materials, minen...
AW
Climatisatisation
BW
60t for additionnal pumps

Jefgte · June 22, 2024, 09:51:27 AM

Prens class, Byzantine Empire D16-Colonial Destroyer laid down 1933

Displacement:
   1 040 t light; 1 104 t standard; 1 213 t normal; 1 299 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (304,88 ft / 301,84 ft) x 30,18 ft x (11,65 / 12,19 ft)
   (92,93 m / 92,00 m) x 9,20 m x (3,55 / 3,71 m)

Armament:
4 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 50,00lbs / 22,68kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1926 Model
     2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 39,0 cal guns - 2,01lbs / 0,91kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
     2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
4 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 39,0 cal guns - 2,01lbs / 0,91kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
     2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      2 raised mounts
4 - 0,50" / 12,7 mm 62,0 cal guns - 0,07lbs / 0,03kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
     2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck forward
      2 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 216 lbs / 98 kg

Armour:
- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,39" / 10 mm     -           -
   2nd:   0,24" / 6 mm     -           -
   4th:   0,24" / 6 mm     -           -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 28 580 shp / 21 320 Kw = 31,69 kts
   Range 5 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 195 tons

Complement:
   102 - 133

Cost:
   £0,625 million / $2,501 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 41 tons, 3,4 %
     - Guns: 41 tons, 3,4 %
   Armour: 3 tons, 0,3 %
     - Armament: 3 tons, 0,3 %
   Machinery: 606 tons, 50,0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 319 tons, 26,3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 173 tons, 14,3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 71 tons, 5,9 %
     - On freeboard deck: 67 tons
     - Above deck: 4 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     340 lbs / 154 Kg = 6,4 x 4,7 " / 120 mm shells or 0,3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,14
   Metacentric height 1,1 ft / 0,3 m
   Roll period: 12,3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,32
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,02

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,400 / 0,410
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17,37 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 68 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 9,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
     - Forecastle:   18,00 %, 19,19 ft / 5,85 m, 15,58 ft / 4,75 m
     - Forward deck:   33,00 %, 15,58 ft / 4,75 m, 12,30 ft / 3,75 m
     - Aft deck:   33,00 %, 12,30 ft / 3,75 m, 11,32 ft / 3,45 m
     - Quarter deck:   16,00 %, 11,32 ft / 3,45 m, 11,32 ft / 3,45 m
     - Average freeboard:      13,38 ft / 4,08 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 172,6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 134,9 %
   Waterplane Area: 5 608 Square feet or 521 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 66 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 30 lbs/sq ft or 146 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,50
      - Longitudinal: 2,30
      - Overall: 0,58
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

AD
Short Marconi
4t for top fire control
OD
24t for 2x3TTx533HW
15t for enhanced hydrophone
6t for 30x195kg DC
2t for paravanes
20t reserve
AW
Climatisation

Trial speed:32,5
Bonus:0,81

Jefgte · June 26, 2024, 10:55:59 AM

Prens class, Byzantine Empire D16-Colonial Destroyer laid down 1933

Displacement:
   1 090 t light; 1 156 t standard; 1 289 t normal; 1 396 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (314,72 ft / 311,68 ft) x 31,17 ft x (11,61 / 12,24 ft)
   (95,93 m / 95,00 m) x 9,50 m x (3,54 / 3,73 m)

Armament:
4 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 50,00lbs / 22,68kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1926 Model
     2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 39,0 cal guns - 2,01lbs / 0,91kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
     2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
4 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 39,0 cal guns - 2,01lbs / 0,91kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
     2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      2 raised mounts
4 - 0,50" / 12,7 mm 62,0 cal guns - 0,07lbs / 0,03kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
     2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck forward
      2 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 216 lbs / 98 kg

Armour:
- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,39" / 10 mm     -           -
   2nd:   0,24" / 6 mm     -           -
   3rd:   0,24" / 6 mm     -           -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 29 390 shp / 21 925 Kw = 31,75 kts
   Range 6 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 240 tons

Complement:
   106 - 139

Cost:
   £0,659 million / $2,637 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 41 tons, 3,2 %
     - Guns: 41 tons, 3,2 %
   Armour: 3 tons, 0,2 %
     - Armament: 3 tons, 0,2 %
   Machinery: 644 tons, 50,0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 331 tons, 25,7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 200 tons, 15,5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 70 tons, 5,4 %
     - On freeboard deck: 66 tons
     - Above deck: 4 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     367 lbs / 166 Kg = 7,0 x 4,7 " / 120 mm shells or 0,3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,18
   Metacentric height 1,2 ft / 0,4 m
   Roll period: 12,0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,27
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,01

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,400 / 0,411
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17,65 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 67 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 9,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
     - Forecastle:   18,00 %, 19,19 ft / 5,85 m, 15,58 ft / 4,75 m
     - Forward deck:   33,00 %, 15,58 ft / 4,75 m, 12,30 ft / 3,75 m
     - Aft deck:   33,00 %, 12,30 ft / 3,75 m, 11,32 ft / 3,45 m
     - Quarter deck:   16,00 %, 11,32 ft / 3,45 m, 11,32 ft / 3,45 m
     - Average freeboard:      13,38 ft / 4,08 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 172,0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 138,4 %
   Waterplane Area: 5 980 Square feet or 556 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 68 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 30 lbs/sq ft or 147 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,50
      - Longitudinal: 2,02
      - Overall: 0,57
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

AD
Short Marconi
4t for top fire control
OD
24t for 2x3TTx533HW
5t for night fighting
15t for enhanced hydrophone
6t for 30x195kg DC
2t for paravanes
14t reserve
AW
Climatisation

Trial speed:32,5
Bonus:0,81

Jefgte · June 29, 2024, 09:16:11 AM

Always to works in colonies.

TGB500E, Byzantine Empire TGB500E laid down 1933

Displacement:
500 t light; 529 t standard; 574 t normal; 611 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(229,30 ft / 226,38 ft) x 25,89 ft x (8,28 / 8,63 ft)
(69,89 m / 69,00 m) x 7,89 m x (2,53 / 2,63 m)

Armament:
2 - 4,00" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 33,00lbs / 14,97kg shells, 200 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 39,0 cal guns - 2,01lbs / 0,91kg shells, 2 000 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft
4 - 0,50" / 12,7 mm 62,0 cal guns - 0,07lbs / 0,03kg shells, 4 000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck forward
2 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 74 lbs / 34 kg

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0,39" / 10 mm - -
2nd: 0,24" / 6 mm - -
4th: 0,24" / 6 mm - -

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 7 890 shp / 5 886 Kw = 25,03 kts
Range 5 000nm at 10,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 82 tons

Complement:
58 - 76

Cost:
£0,252 million / $1,008 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 14 tons, 2,5 %
- Guns: 14 tons, 2,5 %
Armour: 4 tons, 0,7 %
- Armament: 4 tons, 0,7 %
Machinery: 230 tons, 40,0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 188 tons, 32,8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 74 tons, 12,9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 64 tons, 11,1 %
- Hull above water: 2 tons
- On freeboard deck: 36 tons
- Above deck: 26 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
341 lbs / 155 Kg = 10,7 x 4,0 " / 102 mm shells or 0,3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,11
Metacentric height 0,8 ft / 0,2 m
Roll period: 12,1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,18
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,17

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,414 / 0,422
Length to Beam Ratio: 8,75 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 15,05 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 65 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 18,00 %, 16,57 ft / 5,05 m, 13,29 ft / 4,05 m
- Forward deck: 33,00 %, 13,29 ft / 4,05 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m
- Aft deck: 33,00 %, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,02 ft / 2,75 m
- Quarter deck: 16,00 %, 9,02 ft / 2,75 m, 9,35 ft / 2,85 m
- Average freeboard: 11,03 ft / 3,36 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 138,5 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 125,4 %
Waterplane Area: 3 638 Square feet or 338 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 28 lbs/sq ft or 139 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,64
- Longitudinal: 2,86
- Overall: 0,75
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

AD
25t for LR Marconi
1t for top fire control
OD
9t for 1x3TTx533
15t for enhanced hydrophone
6t for 30x195kg DC
2t for paravanes
4t reserved
AW
2t climatisation

Trial speed: 32kts
Bonus: 2.36

Jefgte · Reply #21 - Re: Byzantine Empire 1933-34

In 1932, Byzantium had 457/40 in T2 and T3. (Furious gun)
Developed to cope with the very large calibers in service in certain navies.
2 projects study from BB8 (34000t - 4T3x381 - 21kts) and
BC8 (37000t - 3T3x381 - 29kts)
2 possibilities to choose from with the same weaponry:
4T2x457 + 8T2x133 - B350
BB10 - 43435t - 24kts => enough to work with all 21kts/24kts BBs
BC9 - 46975t - 27kts => weak to work with actual 4 x BC - 29kts

BB10, Byzantine Empire BB10 laid down 1933

Displacement:
43 435 t light; 46 215 t standard; 48 718 t normal; 50 720 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(738,35 ft / 735,56 ft) x 118,11 ft x (30,86 / 31,93 ft)
(225,05 m / 224,20 m) x 36,00 m x (9,41 / 9,73 m)

Armament:
8 - 17,99" / 457 mm 40,0 cal guns - 3 320,01lbs / 1 505,93kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1933 Model
4 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 5,24" / 133 mm 50,0 cal guns - 80,01lbs / 36,29kg shells, 300 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1933 Model
8 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
24 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 39,0 cal guns - 2,01lbs / 0,91kg shells, 4 000 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
12 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
12 raised mounts
24 - 0,50" / 12,7 mm 62,0 cal guns - 0,07lbs / 0,03kg shells, 10 000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
12 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 27 890 lbs / 12 651 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13,8" / 350 mm 478,12 ft / 145,73 m 13,06 ft / 3,98 m
Ends: 3,94" / 100 mm 257,41 ft / 78,46 m 13,06 ft / 3,98 m
Upper: 3,94" / 100 mm 478,12 ft / 145,73 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
1,97" / 50 mm 478,12 ft / 145,73 m 29,53 ft / 9,00 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 85,30 ft / 26,00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 15,0" / 380 mm 6,69" / 170 mm 13,8" / 350 mm
2nd: 1,97" / 50 mm 1,57" / 40 mm 1,57" / 40 mm
4th: 0,39" / 10 mm - -
5th: 0,39" / 10 mm - -

- Armoured deck - single deck:
For and Aft decks: 6,30" / 160 mm
Forecastle: 3,94" / 100 mm Quarter deck: 4,72" / 120 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 13,78" / 350 mm, Aft 5,91" / 150 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 75 240 shp / 56 129 Kw = 24,00 kts
Range 12 000nm at 12,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 4 505 tons

Complement:
1 639 - 2 131

Cost:
£18,000 million / $72,002 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 4 125 tons, 8,5 %
- Guns: 4 125 tons, 8,5 %
Armour: 18 146 tons, 37,2 %
- Belts: 4 936 tons, 10,1 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 1 028 tons, 2,1 %
- Armament: 4 340 tons, 8,9 %
- Armour Deck: 7 275 tons, 14,9 %
- Conning Towers: 566 tons, 1,2 %
Machinery: 2 192 tons, 4,5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 17 821 tons, 36,6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5 282 tons, 10,8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 1 152 tons, 2,4 %
- Hull below water: 220 tons
- Hull above water: 220 tons
- On freeboard deck: 250 tons
- Above deck: 462 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
90 014 lbs / 40 830 Kg = 30,9 x 18,0 " / 457 mm shells or 16,7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,17
Metacentric height 8,5 ft / 2,6 m
Roll period: 17,0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,80
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,40

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,636 / 0,640
Length to Beam Ratio: 6,23 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 27,12 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 18,00 %, 31,82 ft / 9,70 m, 25,26 ft / 7,70 m
- Forward deck: 32,50 %, 25,26 ft / 7,70 m, 21,98 ft / 6,70 m
- Aft deck: 32,50 %, 21,98 ft / 6,70 m, 21,00 ft / 6,40 m
- Quarter deck: 17,00 %, 21,00 ft / 6,40 m, 21,00 ft / 6,40 m
- Average freeboard: 23,25 ft / 7,09 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 75,2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 171,4 %
Waterplane Area: 65 702 Square feet or 6 104 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 115 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 238 lbs/sq ft or 1 164 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,95
- Longitudinal: 1,47
- Overall: 1,00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

AD
412t for Top fire control
50t for 2x25t Marconi
OD
50t for 2 scoutplanes + cata
100t for admiral ship
100t reserved
AW
220t for climatisation
BW
220t for extra pumps installation

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BC9, Byzantine Empire BC9 laid down 1933

Displacement:
46 975 t light; 49 769 t standard; 52 401 t normal; 54 506 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(771,16 ft / 768,37 ft) x 121,39 ft x (31,41 / 32,46 ft)
(235,05 m / 234,20 m) x 37,00 m x (9,57 / 9,90 m)

Armament:
8 - 17,99" / 457 mm 40,0 cal guns - 3 320,01lbs / 1 505,93kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1933 Model
4 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 5,24" / 133 mm 50,0 cal guns - 58,00lbs / 26,31kg shells, 300 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1933 Model
8 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
24 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 39,0 cal guns - 2,01lbs / 0,91kg shells, 4 000 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
12 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
12 raised mounts
24 - 0,50" / 12,7 mm 62,0 cal guns - 0,07lbs / 0,03kg shells, 10 000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
12 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 27 538 lbs / 12 491 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13,8" / 350 mm 499,44 ft / 152,23 m 13,22 ft / 4,03 m
Ends: 3,94" / 100 mm 268,90 ft / 81,96 m 13,22 ft / 4,03 m
Upper: 3,94" / 100 mm 499,44 ft / 152,23 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
1,97" / 50 mm 499,44 ft / 152,23 m 29,92 ft / 9,12 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 88,58 ft / 27,00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 15,0" / 380 mm 6,69" / 170 mm 13,8" / 350 mm
2nd: 1,97" / 50 mm 1,57" / 40 mm 1,57" / 40 mm
4th: 0,39" / 10 mm - -
5th: 0,39" / 10 mm - -

- Armoured deck - single deck:
For and Aft decks: 6,30" / 160 mm
Forecastle: 3,94" / 100 mm Quarter deck: 4,72" / 120 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 13,78" / 350 mm, Aft 5,91" / 150 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 121 810 shp / 90 870 Kw = 27,00 kts
Range 12 000nm at 12,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 4 737 tons

Complement:
1 731 - 2 251

Cost:
£19,484 million / $77,937 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 4 125 tons, 7,9 %
- Guns: 4 125 tons, 7,9 %
Armour: 19 045 tons, 36,3 %
- Belts: 5 195 tons, 9,9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 1 088 tons, 2,1 %
- Armament: 4 429 tons, 8,5 %
- Armour Deck: 7 740 tons, 14,8 %
- Conning Towers: 594 tons, 1,1 %
Machinery: 3 549 tons, 6,8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 19 044 tons, 36,3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5 426 tons, 10,4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 1 212 tons, 2,3 %
- Hull below water: 230 tons
- Hull above water: 230 tons
- On freeboard deck: 290 tons
- Above deck: 462 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
88 129 lbs / 39 975 Kg = 30,3 x 18,0 " / 457 mm shells or 15,7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,11
Metacentric height 8,2 ft / 2,5 m
Roll period: 17,9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,76
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,17

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,626 / 0,630
Length to Beam Ratio: 6,33 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 27,72 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 18,00 %, 31,82 ft / 9,70 m, 25,92 ft / 7,90 m
- Forward deck: 32,50 %, 25,92 ft / 7,90 m, 22,64 ft / 6,90 m
- Aft deck: 32,50 %, 22,64 ft / 6,90 m, 21,98 ft / 6,70 m
- Quarter deck: 17,00 %, 21,98 ft / 6,70 m, 21,98 ft / 6,70 m
- Average freeboard: 23,97 ft / 7,31 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 80,7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 178,4 %
Waterplane Area: 69 890 Square feet or 6 493 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 238 lbs/sq ft or 1 162 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,96
- Longitudinal: 1,39
- Overall: 1,00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

AD
412t for Top fire control
50t for 2x25t Marconi
OD
50t for 2 scoutplanes + cata
40t for night fighting
100t for admiral ship
100t reserved
AW
230t for climatisation
BW
230t for extra pumps installation

The Rock Doctor · Reply #22 - Re: Byzantine Empire 1933-34

I'd spend the extra for the faster ship, myself.

Kaiser Kirk · Reply #23 - Re: Byzantine Empire 1933-34

Quote from: The Rock Doctor on Yesterday at 11:55:08 AMI'd spend the extra for the faster ship, myself.

I think Byzantine should look for about 10 knots max... and no more than 320mm guns.
but only like 1 per hull....

Jefgte · Reply #24 - Re: Byzantine Empire 1933-34

QuoteI think Byzantine should look for about 10 knots max... and no more than 320mm guns.
but only like 1 per hull....

Byzantine must built 160 TGB - 2x102 + 4x40 + 3TTx533 - 25kts but no 2 x 40 000t battleships.

The Rock Doctor · Reply #25 - Re: Byzantine Empire 1933-34

Quote from: Kaiser Kirk on Yesterday at 12:50:47 PM
Quote from: The Rock Doctor on Yesterday at 11:55:08 AMI'd spend the extra for the faster ship, myself.

I think Byzantine should look for about 10 knots max... and no more than 320mm guns.
but only like 1 per hull....

Be curious to see how many he could build in those parameters.

snip · Reply #26 - Re: Byzantine Empire 1933-34

Quote from: The Rock Doctor on Yesterday at 11:55:08 AMI'd spend the extra for the faster ship, myself.

Agreed, 24knts is just not competitive as it will have the range held against anything modern. 3000t to buy at least exist in the same speed band as other modern ships is very worth it.

Kaiser Kirk · Reply #27 - Re: Byzantine Empire 1933-34

My normal practice is to keep my comments on Byzantine ships to technical critiques, not strategic evaluations :)