Vilnius Union Ships, 1930+: The Good, The Bad, and the Unseaworthy

[The Rock Doctor]

Similar kind of refit for the Quackenbruck class sloops, which mostly spend their time protecting Union auxiliaries.

New armament, new fire control but not enough room for a Huelsmeyer device.  In this case, the ships also get a sonar dome added. 

New Armament:  $0.168/0.084 BP
New Armament armor:  $0.031/.031 BP
New ASW:  $0.04/0.020 BP
New Misc. weight:  $0.029/0.029 BP
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Total:  $0.27/0.164 BP



Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1920

Displacement:
   1,707 t light; 1,789 t standard; 2,050 t normal; 2,258 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (327.20 ft / 314.96 ft) x 37.73 ft x (13.12 / 14.08 ft)
   (99.73 m / 96.00 m) x 11.50 m  x (4.00 / 4.29 m)

Armament:
      4 - 5.12" / 130 mm 45.0 cal guns - 67.62lbs / 30.67kg shells, 250 per gun
     Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1920 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
      6 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm 60.0 cal guns - 4.18lbs / 1.89kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1920 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      2 raised mounts
     1 x Twin mount on centreline, aft deck forward
      1 double raised mount
      8 - 0.59" / 15.0 mm 90.0 cal guns - 0.12lbs / 0.05kg shells, 500 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1920 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 double raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 296 lbs / 134 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.97" / 50 mm   0.79" / 20 mm      1.97" / 50 mm
   2nd:   0.59" / 15 mm         -               -

   - Conning towers: Forward 0.98" / 25 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 18,766 shp / 14,000 Kw = 26.26 kts
   Range 12,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 469 tons

Complement:
   152 - 198

Cost:
   £0.424 million / $1.698 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 84 tons, 4.1 %
      - Guns: 84 tons, 4.1 %
   Armour: 34 tons, 1.7 %
      - Armament: 31 tons, 1.5 %
      - Conning Tower: 3 tons, 0.2 %
   Machinery: 656 tons, 32.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 762 tons, 37.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 343 tons, 16.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 170 tons, 8.3 %
      - Hull below water: 25 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 51 tons
      - Above deck: 94 tons

Fittings:
-9 t:  Fire control (AD) (new)
-50 t:  Command facilities (AD)
-25 t:  L/R wireless (AD)
-10 t:  Nightfighting doodads (AD) (new)
-12 t:  Triple heavyweight torpedo carriage (FD)
-20 t:  ASW ordnance (FD) (new)
-19 t:  Weight reserve (FD)
-15 t:  Enhanced Hydrophone Package (BW)
-10 t:  Sonar (BW) (new)

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     1,840 lbs / 835 Kg = 27.4 x 5.1 " / 130 mm shells or 0.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
   Metacentric height 1.5 ft / 0.5 m
   Roll period: 13.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 61 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.48
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.38

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.460 / 0.472
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.35 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.75 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 44
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  24.61 ft / 7.50 m,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.14 ft / 4.92 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 118.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 147.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 7,643 Square feet or 710 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 115 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 55 lbs/sq ft or 268 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.77
      - Longitudinal: 3.52
      - Overall: 0.90
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[The Rock Doctor]

And the 1920 subchasers also get new armament and fire control, which is pretty simple

New armament (inc. ASW):  $0.032/0.016 BP
New armament armor:  $0.004/0.004 BP
New FC:  $0.001/0.001 BP
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$0.04/0.021 BP


Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1920

Displacement:
   195 t light; 207 t standard; 220 t normal; 230 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (138.21 ft / 131.23 ft) x 19.03 ft x (6.56 / 6.78 ft)
   (42.13 m / 40.00 m) x 5.80 m  x (2.00 / 2.07 m)

Armament:
      2 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm 60.0 cal guns - 4.18lbs / 1.89kg shells, 1,500 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1920 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      3 - 0.59" / 15.0 mm 90.0 cal guns - 0.12lbs / 0.05kg shells, 4,000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1920 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
      2 raised mounts
     1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck centre
      1 raised mount
      Weight of broadside 9 lbs / 4 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.59" / 15 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.59" / 15 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 2,547 shp / 1,900 Kw = 20.20 kts
   Range 2,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 23 tons

Complement:
   28 - 37

Cost:
   £0.047 million / $0.190 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 3 tons, 1.3 %
      - Guns: 3 tons, 1.3 %
   Armour: 4 tons, 1.6 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 1.6 %
   Machinery: 89 tons, 40.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 81 tons, 36.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 25 tons, 11.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 19 tons, 8.6 %
      - Hull below water: 5 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 13 tons
      - Above deck: 1 tons

Fittings:
-5 t:  Basic hydrophones (BW)
-13 t  ASW weaponry (FD) (new)
-1 t:  Fire control (AD) (new)


Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     157 lbs / 71 Kg = 41.2 x 2.0 " / 50 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
   Metacentric height 0.6 ft / 0.2 m
   Roll period: 10.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.07
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.09

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.470 / 0.476
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.90 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 11.46 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 72 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  13.78 ft / 4.20 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m
      - Average freeboard:      9.41 ft / 2.87 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 140.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 96.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 1,620 Square feet or 151 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 23 lbs/sq ft or 114 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.71
      - Longitudinal: 7.63
      - Overall: 0.90
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room

[The Rock Doctor]

New AC for 1935 follows on from the 1929 class.  Primary roles are in fleet scouting and trade defence.  It'd likely make a good carrier escort but the Union isn't thinking along those lines yet. 

Main changes are a DP secondary and increased range.  Seakeeping at flank speed is an important consideration given that the ship will be operating in the Atlantic. 




Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1935

Displacement:
   20,972 t light; 22,125 t standard; 24,296 t normal; 26,033 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (752.40 ft / 734.91 ft) x 82.02 ft x (28.22 / 29.69 ft)
   (229.33 m / 224.00 m) x 25.00 m  x (8.60 / 9.05 m)

Armament:
      8 - 9.84" / 250 mm 50.0 cal guns - 551.16lbs / 250.00kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1935 Model
     4 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
      16 - 5.12" / 130 mm 45.0 cal guns - 67.61lbs / 30.67kg shells, 400 per gun
     Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1935 Model
     4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft
     4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck forward
      16 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm 60.0 cal guns - 4.18lbs / 1.89kg shells, 1,500 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1935 Model
     8 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      12 - 0.59" / 15.0 mm 90.0 cal guns - 0.12lbs / 0.05kg shells, 5,000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1935 Model
     6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 double raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5,559 lbs / 2,522 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.87" / 200 mm   492.39 ft / 150.08 m   16.37 ft / 4.99 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 103 % of normal length
     Main Belt inclined 16.00 degrees (positive = in)

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      1.97" / 50 mm   492.39 ft / 150.08 m   24.84 ft / 7.57 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 55.77 ft / 17.00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   1.97" / 50 mm   1.18" / 30 mm      1.97" / 50 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm   0.39" / 10 mm            -
   4th:   0.59" / 15 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.95" / 75 mm
   Forecastle: 2.95" / 75 mm  Quarter deck: 2.95" / 75 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 7.87" / 200 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 126,005 shp / 94,000 Kw = 32.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 15.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,908 tons

Complement:
   972 - 1,264

Cost:
   £8.976 million / $35.905 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,574 tons, 6.5 %
      - Guns: 1,574 tons, 6.5 %
   Armour: 7,123 tons, 29.3 %
      - Belts: 2,624 tons, 10.8 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 891 tons, 3.7 %
      - Armament: 1,201 tons, 4.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 2,265 tons, 9.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 142 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 3,580 tons, 14.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 8,130 tons, 33.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,325 tons, 13.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 566 tons, 2.3 %
      - On freeboard deck: 166 tons
      - Above deck: 400 tons

Fittings:
-55 t:  2 armed scoutplanes and a catapult (FD)
-100 t:  Command facilities (FD/AD)
-158 t:  Fire control (AD)
-25 t:  Night-fighting doodads (AD)
-25 t:  L/R wireless (AD)
-25 t:  Heulsmeyer device (AD)
-61 t + 117 t: Weight reserve (FD/AD)

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     37,897 lbs / 17,190 Kg = 79.5 x 9.8 " / 250 mm shells or 5.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.09
   Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 16.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.55
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and small transom stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.500 / 0.509
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.96 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 29.23 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 5.91 ft / 1.80 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   18.00 %,  31.82 ft / 9.70 m,  26.90 ft / 8.20 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  26.90 ft / 8.20 m,  26.90 ft / 8.20 m
      - Aft deck:   37.00 %,  19.03 ft / 5.80 m,  19.03 ft / 5.80 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  19.03 ft / 5.80 m,  19.03 ft / 5.80 m
      - Average freeboard:      23.16 ft / 7.06 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 102.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 181.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 41,124 Square feet or 3,821 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 122 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 145 lbs/sq ft or 706 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.30
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[The Rock Doctor]

Or rather than build four of the above, I could build six-ish of these smaller six-gunners.


Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1935

Displacement:
   14,955 t light; 15,832 t standard; 17,613 t normal; 19,039 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (691.28 ft / 675.85 ft) x 73.16 ft x (24.93 / 26.41 ft)
   (210.70 m / 206.00 m) x 22.30 m  x (7.60 / 8.05 m)

Armament:
      6 - 9.84" / 250 mm 50.0 cal guns - 551.16lbs / 250.00kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1935 Model
     2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
     1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck centre
      12 - 5.12" / 130 mm 50.0 cal guns - 70.97lbs / 32.19kg shells, 400 per gun
     Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1935 Model
     6 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm 60.0 cal guns - 4.18lbs / 1.89kg shells, 1,500 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1935 Model
     8 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      16 - 0.59" / 15.0 mm 90.0 cal guns - 0.12lbs / 0.05kg shells, 4,000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1935 Model
     8 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4,227 lbs / 1,917 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5.91" / 150 mm   439.30 ft / 133.90 m   16.37 ft / 4.99 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.84" / 250 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   1.97" / 50 mm   1.18" / 30 mm      1.97" / 50 mm
   3rd:   0.59" / 15 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.59" / 15 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.95" / 75 mm
   Forecastle: 1.97" / 50 mm  Quarter deck: 2.95" / 75 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 5.91" / 150 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 107,238 shp / 80,000 Kw = 32.08 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 15.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,207 tons

Complement:
   763 - 993

Cost:
   £6.926 million / $27.702 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,224 tons, 6.9 %
      - Guns: 1,224 tons, 6.9 %
   Armour: 4,410 tons, 25.0 %
      - Belts: 1,759 tons, 10.0 %
      - Armament: 762 tons, 4.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,803 tons, 10.2 %
      - Conning Tower: 86 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 3,047 tons, 17.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,917 tons, 33.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,658 tons, 15.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 358 tons, 2.0 %
      - On freeboard deck: 83 tons
      - Above deck: 275 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     24,622 lbs / 11,169 Kg = 51.6 x 9.8 " / 250 mm shells or 2.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 3.8 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 15.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.51
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.12

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and small transom stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.500 / 0.510
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.24 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 27.99 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 4.92 ft / 1.50 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  28.87 ft / 8.80 m,  23.95 ft / 7.30 m
      - Forward deck:   35.00 %,  23.95 ft / 7.30 m,  23.95 ft / 7.30 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  16.08 ft / 4.90 m,  16.08 ft / 4.90 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  16.08 ft / 4.90 m,  16.08 ft / 4.90 m
      - Average freeboard:      20.80 ft / 6.34 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 79.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 171.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 33,735 Square feet or 3,134 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 119 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 129 lbs/sq ft or 631 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.32
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room

[Jefgte]

...  6 - 9.84" / 250 mm 50.0 cal guns - 551.16lbs / 250.00kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1935 Model
     2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
     1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck centre...

Nearly IJN Tone

[Kaiser Kirk]

Roughly equivalent to my Xiyon but with 6x250 rather than 8x215.

Not superimposing "B" is slightly odd if intentional, closes out the forward arc at closer ranges. At 32 knots I'd expect this vessel to want to be able forward while charging to a preferred range. If the ship is broadside only with the speed to keep that range, makes more sense, the 150rpg suggests that.

While I have a TDS, it doesn't change the #torps much, though it should protect against crits and mines/aerial torps fairly well.

[The Rock Doctor]

That non-superfiring B turret is a mistake rather than a design choice.

I shall have somebody punished accordingly.

[The Rock Doctor]

Sketch of the eight-gunner.  Placement of the 50mm would be as shown so the SS would need slight adjustment.

The six-gunner would be similar except for, you know, fewer guns aft.

[Kaiser Kirk]

As usually, I am appreciative and mildly envious of those who draw the vessels :)

My ship of course has a saucer section, engineering hull and twin warp nacelles...

If you have to tinker with the design for 'B' mount, could I suggest the middle 130mm mount be raised as well, lending DP fire dead ahead. From the deck break it doesn't help aft.
I presume another difference between between the designs is the # of secondary mounts.

[The Rock Doctor]

I can elevate the second and third pairs of 130mm at the cost of about 40 t in miscellaneous weight, so that's doable.  Deck space might be tight for the third pair given the proximity to the floatplane hanger but eh.

I might play with the aft superstructure, see if I can plunk a 50mm ahead of "X" turret and then move  the director to a higher location stacked with that searchlight.  Something for tonight's post-dinner playing.

[The Rock Doctor]

Again, if you have a specific ship you'd like sketched, I could take a crack at it.  Tac seemed satisfied with my take on his cruiser.

[The Rock Doctor]

Mildly revised per discussion...

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1935

Displacement:
    20,964 t light; 22,125 t standard; 24,296 t normal; 26,033 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
    (752.40 ft / 734.91 ft) x 82.02 ft x (28.22 / 29.69 ft)
    (229.33 m / 224.00 m) x 25.00 m  x (8.60 / 9.05 m)

Armament:
      8 - 9.84" / 250 mm 50.0 cal guns - 551.16lbs / 250.00kg shells, 150 per gun
      Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1935 Model
      4 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
        2 raised mounts - superfiring
      16 - 5.12" / 130 mm 45.0 cal guns - 67.62lbs / 30.67kg shells, 400 per gun
      Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1935 Model
      4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft
        2 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck forward
        2 raised mounts - superfiring
      18 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm 60.0 cal guns - 4.19lbs / 1.90kg shells, 1,500 per gun
      Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1935 Model
      6 x Twin mounts on side ends, majority forward
        4 raised mounts - superfiring
      3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority aft
        1 raised mount - superfiring
      16 - 0.59" / 15.0 mm 90.0 cal guns - 0.11lbs / 0.05kg shells, 5,000 per gun
      Machine guns in deck mounts, 1935 Model
      8 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
        8 double raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5,568 lbs / 2,526 kg

Armour:
  - Belts:        Width (max)    Length (avg)        Height (avg)
    Main:    7.87" / 200 mm    492.39 ft / 150.08 m    16.37 ft / 4.99 m
    Ends:    Unarmoured
      Main Belt covers 103 % of normal length
      Main Belt inclined 16.00 degrees (positive = in)

  - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
        1.97" / 50 mm    492.39 ft / 150.08 m    24.84 ft / 7.57 m
    Beam between torpedo bulkheads 55.77 ft / 17.00 m

  - Gun armour:    Face (max)    Other gunhouse (avg)    Barbette/hoist (max)
    Main:    11.8" / 300 mm    3.94" / 100 mm        7.87" / 200 mm
    2nd:    1.97" / 50 mm    1.18" / 30 mm        1.97" / 50 mm
    3rd:    0.59" / 15 mm          -                  -
    4th:    0.59" / 15 mm          -                  -

  - Armoured deck - single deck:
    For and Aft decks: 2.95" / 75 mm
    Forecastle: 2.95" / 75 mm  Quarter deck: 2.95" / 75 mm

  - Conning towers: Forward 7.87" / 200 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
    Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
    Geared drive, 4 shafts, 126,005 shp / 94,000 Kw = 32.00 kts
    Range 10,000nm at 15.00 kts
    Bunker at max displacement = 3,908 tons

Complement:
    972 - 1,264

Cost:
    £8.979 million / $35.916 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
    Armament: 1,576 tons, 6.5 %
      - Guns: 1,576 tons, 6.5 %
    Armour: 7,113 tons, 29.3 %
      - Belts: 2,624 tons, 10.8 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 891 tons, 3.7 %
      - Armament: 1,192 tons, 4.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 2,265 tons, 9.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 142 tons, 0.6 %
    Machinery: 3,580 tons, 14.7 %
    Hull, fittings & equipment: 8,203 tons, 33.8 %
    Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,333 tons, 13.7 %
    Miscellaneous weights: 492 tons, 2.0 %
      - On freeboard deck: 92 tons
      - Above deck: 400 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
    Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
      37,980 lbs / 17,227 Kg = 79.7 x 9.8 " / 250 mm shells or 5.8 torpedoes
    Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.09
    Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.3 m
    Roll period: 16.5 seconds
    Steadiness    - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
            - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.57
    Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
    Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
      a normal bow and small transom stern
    Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.500 / 0.509
    Length to Beam Ratio: 8.96 : 1
    'Natural speed' for length: 29.23 kts
    Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
    Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
    Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
    Stern overhang: 5.91 ft / 1.80 m
    Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
                Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:    18.00 %,  31.82 ft / 9.70 m,  26.90 ft / 8.20 m
      - Forward deck:    32.00 %,  26.90 ft / 8.20 m,  26.90 ft / 8.20 m
      - Aft deck:    35.00 %,  19.03 ft / 5.80 m,  19.03 ft / 5.80 m
      - Quarter deck:    15.00 %,  19.03 ft / 5.80 m,  19.03 ft / 5.80 m
      - Average freeboard:        23.32 ft / 7.11 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
    Space    - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 102.6 %
        - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 183.7 %
    Waterplane Area: 41,124 Square feet or 3,821 Square metres
    Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 123 %
    Structure weight / hull surface area: 146 lbs/sq ft or 711 Kg/sq metre
    Hull strength (Relative):
        - Cross-sectional: 0.97
        - Longitudinal: 1.31
        - Overall: 1.00
    Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
    Excellent accommodation and workspace room
    Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Kaiser Kirk]

Mildly?
It's 1/3 larger !
Interesting to contrast it to my Zemaka III.

I expect much of the 'cost' is the 4th turret and 32knots.

I had wondered the "cost" of 32knots, and expected to be high.
On the plus side, I really do not expect 34-35knot ships,
so unlike preceeding generations, this won't get passed up
by newer ships.

[The Rock Doctor]

Er...I had posted the original eight-gun design just before I posted the wonky six-gun design.

[Kaiser Kirk]

Er...I had posted the original eight-gun design just before I posted the wonky six-gun design.

Since it was the 6 gun where the superimposed lack was noted, I thought that is what you were fixing.
The ship got much bigger.