Aztec Ship Designs 1929-1934

[Jefgte]

This is the ideal 6000t cruiser.

;)

[TacCovert4]

This is the ideal 6000t cruiser.

;)

The last one I posted?

[Jefgte]

This is the ideal 6000t cruiser.

;)

The last one I posted?

Yes  :)

[TacCovert4]

In a strange way, I'm actually looking at the lighter one as the likely candidate.   Protection isn't far off.  And that's .2bp and $ per turn per ship.  I'm going to wind up preparing a couple alternative options,  1 without the aircraft and more armor....and one without the aircraft and aiming to be even lighter. 

I'm also thinking about a reprise of the Salado class, but with 10 x 120mm guns in a dido arrangement.   

My issue is continuing production of serious fleet units, escorts, and cruisers simultaneously.

[TacCovert4]

Working from the perspective of making a relatively light but powerful cruiser for its weight, my take on an Atlanta/Dido for consideration as the 1932 Cruiser.....benefit, a lot cheaper.....detriment, the guns will have to win fights by volume rather than individual punch, this is a somewhat different kind of cruiser.

Shark-Class, Aztec Corvette laid down 1932

Displacement:
   5,112 t light; 5,473 t standard; 5,962 t normal; 6,353 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (478.59 ft / 472.44 ft) x 55.77 ft x (14.67 / 15.42 ft)
   (145.88 m / 144.00 m) x 17.00 m  x (4.47 / 4.70 m)

Armament:
      12 - 4.72" / 120 mm 55.0 cal guns - 56.91lbs / 25.81kg shells, 400 per gun
     Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1932 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 double raised mounts
      16 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm 55.0 cal guns - 2.12lbs / 0.96kg shells, 4,000 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1932 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on sides, forward deck aft
     2 x 4 row quad mounts on sides, aft deck forward
      16 - 1.18" / 30.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 0.86lbs / 0.39kg shells, 2,000 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1932 Model
     16 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 731 lbs / 331 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2.76" / 70 mm   347.24 ft / 105.84 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 113 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2.76" / 70 mm   1.77" / 45 mm      2.76" / 70 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm   0.79" / 20 mm      0.79" / 20 mm

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 2.76" / 70 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 54,753 shp / 40,846 Kw = 30.00 kts
   Range 6,000nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 880 tons

Complement:
   339 - 441

Cost:
   £2.233 million / $8.933 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 212 tons, 3.6 %
      - Guns: 212 tons, 3.6 %
   Armour: 996 tons, 16.7 %
      - Belts: 386 tons, 6.5 %
      - Armament: 127 tons, 2.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 464 tons, 7.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 20 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 1,616 tons, 27.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,146 tons, 36.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 850 tons, 14.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 141 tons, 2.4 %
      - Hull above water: 11 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 70 tons
      - Above deck: 60 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     6,941 lbs / 3,148 Kg = 131.6 x 4.7 " / 120 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 2.5 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 14.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.38
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.06

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.540 / 0.547
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.47 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.74 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 61 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   18.00 %,  22.97 ft / 7.00 m,  21.33 ft / 6.50 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  21.33 ft / 6.50 m,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Aft deck:   42.00 %,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m,  18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Quarter deck:   10.00 %,  18.04 ft / 5.50 m,  18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Average freeboard:      19.84 ft / 6.05 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 104.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 200.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 18,218 Square feet or 1,693 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 115 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 79 lbs/sq ft or 384 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.84
      - Longitudinal: 1.65
      - Overall: 0.90
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

25t - LR Radio
25t - NF Devices
21t - 1918 FC

25t - Armed Floatplane Amidships
5t - Catapult

40t - 2x5x21in HW TT on Sides Aft

[TacCovert4]

Alternative Design, basically the 'heavy' DD but scaled up somewhat with a floatplane, protection for the guns and such, and the vitals all in an armored box.....a tad on the slow side though, to keep her under 3000t.

Salado (River-class), Aztec Corvette laid down 1932

Displacement:
   2,875 t light; 3,090 t standard; 3,680 t normal; 4,152 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (415.38 ft / 410.11 ft) x 45.93 ft x (13.12 / 14.41 ft)
   (126.61 m / 125.00 m) x 14.00 m  x (4.00 / 4.39 m)

Armament:
      8 - 4.72" / 120 mm 55.0 cal guns - 56.91lbs / 25.81kg shells, 400 per gun
     Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1932 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
      8 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 2.07lbs / 0.94kg shells, 4,000 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1932 Model
     2 x 4 row quad mounts on centreline, aft deck forward
      2 raised mounts
      8 - 1.18" / 30.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 0.87lbs / 0.40kg shells, 1,000 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1932 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 479 lbs / 217 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.97" / 50 mm   1.38" / 35 mm      1.97" / 50 mm
   2nd:   0.79" / 20 mm   0.79" / 20 mm      0.79" / 20 mm

   - Box over machinery & magazines:
   1.97" / 50 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 1.97" / 50 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 31,875 shp / 23,779 Kw = 28.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,062 tons

Complement:
   236 - 307

Cost:
   £1.311 million / $5.244 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 137 tons, 3.7 %
      - Guns: 137 tons, 3.7 %
   Armour: 602 tons, 16.4 %
      - Armament: 50 tons, 1.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 542 tons, 14.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 10 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 941 tons, 25.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,060 tons, 28.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 805 tons, 21.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 134 tons, 3.6 %
      - Hull above water: 7 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 70 tons
      - Above deck: 57 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3,771 lbs / 1,711 Kg = 71.5 x 4.7 " / 120 mm shells or 1.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.16
   Metacentric height 2.0 ft / 0.6 m
   Roll period: 13.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.39
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.11

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.521 / 0.535
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.93 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.25 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 63
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m,  18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  18.04 ft / 5.50 m,  15.09 ft / 4.60 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  15.09 ft / 4.60 m,  15.09 ft / 4.60 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  15.09 ft / 4.60 m,  15.09 ft / 4.60 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.26 ft / 4.95 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 100.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 162.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 12,795 Square feet or 1,189 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 117 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 55 lbs/sq ft or 269 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.70
      - Longitudinal: 1.31
      - Overall: 0.75
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

25t - LR Radio
25t - NF Devices 1918
14t - 1918 FC

40t - 2 x 5 x 21in HW TT
30t - 1 x Armed Floatplane and Catapult Amidships

[The Rock Doctor]

Salado's not far off some of my larger sloop ideas, but I don't think of them as cruisers.  Cruiser substitutes, maybe.  She's still got good firepower and margin of speed over old cruisers or AMCs but might have problems with modern cruisers.

[TacCovert4]

Salado's not far off some of my larger sloop ideas, but I don't think of them as cruisers.  Cruiser substitutes, maybe.  She's still got good firepower and margin of speed over old cruisers or AMCs but might have problems with modern cruisers.

Well, the original Salado class was made as colonial station cruisers, so sort of fast sloops.  In that vein I agree, these are more of a powerful sloop.  In that vein I might look at how to shoehorn hydrophones and depth charges onto her.

[TacCovert4]

Going in the direction of a sloop as the 'high' of a 'high-low' patrol/convoy escort mix, I get the following:  Vitals are protected to a degree, there's torpedo/mine protection, 10,000nm range, ASW and Mine Warfare kit and a Floatplane.  Downside, she's 3kts slower than what's become the cruiser standard, and her main battery while useful as DP guns is a bit on the light side for fighting anything besides relatively lightly protected.....though even a heavy cruiser convoy raider could find its cruise cut short if it ate several dozen 120mm rounds in short order.  This would be the larger escort in conjunction with my 5-600t OPVs (Offshore Patrol Vessels).

Salmon-Class, Aztec Sloop laid down 1932

Displacement:
   2,645 t light; 2,857 t standard; 3,420 t normal; 3,871 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (398.98 ft / 393.70 ft) x 42.65 ft x (13.45 / 14.82 ft)
   (121.61 m / 120.00 m) x 13.00 m  x (4.10 / 4.52 m)

Armament:
      8 - 4.72" / 120 mm 55.0 cal guns - 56.91lbs / 25.81kg shells, 400 per gun
     Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1932 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
      8 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 2.07lbs / 0.94kg shells, 4,000 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1932 Model
     2 x 4 row quad mounts on centreline, aft deck forward
      2 raised mounts
      12 - 1.18" / 30.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 0.87lbs / 0.40kg shells, 1,000 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1932 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 482 lbs / 219 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Ends:   Unarmoured

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      0.98" / 25 mm   255.91 ft / 78.00 m   12.17 ft / 3.71 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 29.53 ft / 9.00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.97" / 50 mm   1.38" / 35 mm      1.97" / 50 mm
   2nd:   0.79" / 20 mm   0.79" / 20 mm      0.79" / 20 mm

   - Box over machinery & magazines:
   1.97" / 50 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 1.97" / 50 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 26,641 shp / 19,874 Kw = 27.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,014 tons

Complement:
   223 - 290

Cost:
   £1.178 million / $4.710 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 138 tons, 4.0 %
      - Guns: 138 tons, 4.0 %
   Armour: 621 tons, 18.2 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 113 tons, 3.3 %
      - Armament: 50 tons, 1.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 448 tons, 13.1 %
      - Conning Tower: 10 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 786 tons, 23.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 905 tons, 26.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 775 tons, 22.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 194 tons, 5.7 %
      - Hull below water: 15 tons
      - Hull above water: 7 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 115 tons
      - Above deck: 57 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3,421 lbs / 1,552 Kg = 64.9 x 4.7 " / 120 mm shells or 1.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.16
   Metacentric height 1.8 ft / 0.6 m
   Roll period: 13.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 59 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.42
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.02

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.530 / 0.544
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.23 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.53 ft / 4.43 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 135.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 136.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 11,502 Square feet or 1,069 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 117 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 53 lbs/sq ft or 260 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.72
      - Longitudinal: 1.10
      - Overall: 0.75
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room

25t - LR Radio
25t - NF Devices 1918
14t - 1918 FC

40t - 2 x 5 x 21in HW TT
30t - 1 x Armed Floatplane and Catapult Amidships

15t - Adv. Hydrophones
16t - Depth Charges
4t - 4 x DC Launcher
25t - Minesweeping Equipment

[TacCovert4]

So, have a question.  I'm refitting the 1922 Uhlan class heavy cruisers to the more modern standards of secbat and whatnot.  The question in particular is the secondaries.  I'm going from a 130mm gun down to a 120mm gun.  So the hoistways I have are plenty big for the purpose, it's just a change of the cradles and a few other maintenance items.  As literally everything else is simply a pierside pull and swap of gun for gun and welding on the catapults for the floatplanes where the Torpedo mounts used to be......can this be considered a refit or do I have to go for the heavy-side Refurbishment?  Basically I'm not seeing where the swap of a couple hundred tons of external equipment, and changing the cradles on the hoist chains and the racks in the magazines (not changing the magazines, just the racks inside them) is going to cost 20% the cost of a 17,000t ship.  There's no engine changes, and no changes to anything that's going to pierce the decks whatsoever.  495 tons per ship in specific, and that's me cutting the secbat's front plate off, and replacing the guts of a 130mm mount with 120mm guns and mounts before welding the plate back on.

Uhlan, Aztec Razee laid down 1922, 1932 Refit

Displacement:
   17,532 t light; 18,318 t standard; 20,174 t normal; 21,658 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (655.84 ft / 650.92 ft) x 85.30 ft x (22.31 / 23.63 ft)
   (199.90 m / 198.40 m) x 26.00 m  x (6.80 / 7.20 m)

Armament:
      9 - 9.45" / 240 mm 50.0 cal guns - 446.52lbs / 202.54kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1922 Model
     3 x 3-gun mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      14 - 4.92" / 125 mm 55.0 cal guns - 64.33lbs / 29.18kg shells, 200 per gun
     Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1922 Model
     6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
     1 x Twin mount on centreline, aft deck centre
      1 raised mount
      8 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 2.07lbs / 0.94kg shells, 1,000 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1922 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      8 - 1.18" / 30.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 0.86lbs / 0.39kg shells, 1,500 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1922 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 4,943 lbs / 2,242 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   6.89" / 175 mm   423.10 ft / 128.96 m   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
   Ends:   3.35" / 85 mm   227.79 ft / 69.43 m   11.48 ft / 3.50 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      1.57" / 40 mm   423.10 ft / 128.96 m   20.73 ft / 6.32 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 72.18 ft / 22.00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.09" / 180 mm   4.33" / 110 mm      6.69" / 170 mm
   2nd:   1.97" / 50 mm   1.18" / 30 mm      1.97" / 50 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.79" / 20 mm         -         0.79" / 20 mm

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.76" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.38" / 35 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 4.33" / 110 mm, Aft 4.33" / 110 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 104,392 shp / 77,876 Kw = 30.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,340 tons

Complement:
   846 - 1,100

Cost:
   £4.457 million / $17.830 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,502 tons, 7.4 %
      - Guns: 1,502 tons, 7.4 %
   Armour: 5,339 tons, 26.5 %
      - Belts: 1,946 tons, 9.6 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 511 tons, 2.5 %
      - Armament: 889 tons, 4.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,855 tons, 9.2 %
      - Conning Towers: 138 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 3,541 tons, 17.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,889 tons, 34.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,642 tons, 13.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 260 tons, 1.3 %
      - Hull above water: 75 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 60 tons
      - Above deck: 125 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     28,268 lbs / 12,822 Kg = 67.0 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 4.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
   Metacentric height 4.9 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 16.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.43
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.02

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.570 / 0.578
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.63 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 25.51 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 68
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  27.89 ft / 8.50 m,  24.61 ft / 7.50 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  24.61 ft / 7.50 m,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      21.67 ft / 6.60 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 96.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 185.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 39,484 Square feet or 3,668 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 114 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 140 lbs/sq ft or 685 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.22
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

25t - LR Radio
25t - NF Devices (1918)
150t - 1918 FC
60t - 2 x Armed Floatplane and Catapult

[The Rock Doctor]

At the moment, that's a refurb, yeah.

[TacCovert4]

At the moment, that's a refurb, yeah.

Which runs me into the problem of what to do.  If I go refurb I might as well go hog wild because an engine swap nets me right at 1.08 comp. I literally don't have enough stuff to drop on the ship to burn that tonnage.

[The Rock Doctor]

I opted to keep my DP guns as the same caliber/weight as their predecessors to avoid this dilemma.  Wouldn't help with overall ammo loads but that's a different issue.

You could park some more deck armor on Uhlan if you were to re-engine her.  One of the less expensive additions, though I'm not sure what it would do to your seakeeping.

[TacCovert4]

I opted to keep my DP guns as the same caliber/weight as their predecessors to avoid this dilemma.  Wouldn't help with overall ammo loads but that's a different issue.

You could park some more deck armor on Uhlan if you were to re-engine her.  One of the less expensive additions, though I'm not sure what it would do to your seakeeping.

Actually it's why I went to 120mm for dp.   Because it's the same size and weight as my older 130mm

[TacCovert4]

Though if the 130 to 120 is going to require a refurb.....I'll just pull the 130s and use my 90mm surface mounts.  Go with like 18 to 22 guns in 9 to 11 deck mounts instead of 14 in 7 deck and hoist mounts