Byzantine Empire 1925...

[Jefgte]

I like this one  :)

TGB500, Byzantine Empire TGB500 laid down 1925

Displacement:
   500 t light; 524 t standard; 560 t normal; 589 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (242,78 ft / 242,78 ft) x 26,25 ft x (7,09 / 7,34 ft)
   (74,00 m / 74,00 m) x 8,00 m  x (2,16 / 2,24 m)

Armament:
      4 - 4,02" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 33,00lbs / 14,97kg shells, 154 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 3,19lbs / 1,45kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      2 - 0,30" / 7,7 mm 90,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 3 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 138 lbs / 63 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7 600 shp / 5 670 Kw = 25,09 kts
   Range 3 600nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 65 tons

Complement:
   56 - 74

Cost:
   £0,184 million / $0,736 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 25 tons, 4,4 %
      - Guns: 25 tons, 4,4 %
   Armour: 6 tons, 1,1 %
      - Armament: 6 tons, 1,1 %
   Machinery: 229 tons, 40,8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 193 tons, 34,6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 60 tons, 10,7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 47 tons, 8,4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 20 tons
      - Above deck: 27 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     323 lbs / 147 Kg = 10,0 x 4,0 " / 102 mm shells or 0,3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,09
   Metacentric height 0,8 ft / 0,2 m
   Roll period: 12,4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,32
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,07

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,434 / 0,441
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,25 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15,58 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00 %,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m,  11,48 ft / 3,50 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00 %,  11,48 ft / 3,50 m,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m
      - Aft deck:   30,00 %,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20,00 %,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m
      - Average freeboard:      10,55 ft / 3,22 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 144,6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 125,7 %
   Waterplane Area: 4 014 Square feet or 373 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 92 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 30 lbs/sq ft or 145 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,66
      - Longitudinal: 2,12
      - Overall: 0,75
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

25t for LR Marconi
2t for 1918 FC (15 000m)
6t for 2TTx533
5t for Hydrophone
5t for 50DC
4t reserved

[Jefgte]

The previous 500t is too small and too slow.
This one of 1000t is more serious and has the same speed as the colonial cruisers. Good defender and good escort ship.

TGB1000, Byzantine Empire Colonial Torpedo Gun Boat laid down 1925

Displacement:
   1 000 t light; 1 066 t standard; 1 144 t normal; 1 206 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (262,14 ft / 262,14 ft) x 32,15 ft x (11,88 / 12,30 ft)
   (79,90 m / 79,90 m) x 9,80 m  x (3,62 / 3,75 m)

Armament:
      4 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 50,00lbs / 22,68kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1925 Model
     2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm 45,0 cal gun - 12,50lbs / 5,67kg shells, 300 per gun
     Anti-air gun in deck mount, 1925 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft
      1 raised mount
      4 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 50,0 cal guns - 3,00lbs / 1,36kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      4 raised mounts
      2 - 0,30" / 7,7 mm 90,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 3 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward
      Weight of broadside 225 lbs / 102 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 15 600 shp / 11 638 Kw = 27,01 kts
   Range 4 800nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 140 tons (25% coal)

Complement:
   97 - 127

Cost:
   £0,395 million / $1,578 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 64 tons, 5,6 %
      - Guns: 64 tons, 5,6 %
   Armour: 8 tons, 0,7 %
      - Armament: 8 tons, 0,7 %
   Machinery: 455 tons, 39,8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 372 tons, 32,5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 144 tons, 12,6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 101 tons, 8,8 %
      - On freeboard deck: 70 tons
      - Above deck: 31 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     517 lbs / 235 Kg = 9,8 x 4,7 " / 120 mm shells or 0,3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,03
   Metacentric height 1,0 ft / 0,3 m
   Roll period: 13,7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,55
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,06

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,400 / 0,407
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8,15 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 16,19 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 66 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   17,50 %,  18,21 ft / 5,55 m,  15,26 ft / 4,65 m
      - Forward deck:   33,00 %,  15,26 ft / 4,65 m,  11,81 ft / 3,60 m
      - Aft deck:   33,00 %,  11,81 ft / 3,60 m,  11,65 ft / 3,55 m
      - Quarter deck:   16,50 %,  11,65 ft / 3,55 m,  11,98 ft / 3,65 m
      - Average freeboard:      13,16 ft / 4,01 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 148,6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 128,7 %
   Waterplane Area: 5 188 Square feet or 482 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 84 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 41 lbs/sq ft or 201 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,63
      - Longitudinal: 3,22
      - Overall: 0,75
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

6t for top mast rangefinder
25t for Long Range Marconi
16t for 1 x 4TT x 533 HW
4t for forced ventilation
15t for Ehanced Hydrophone
5t for 50 x 90kg DC
30t reserved for new material, new armament or 30  minen.

[The Rock Doctor]

I like it better, yes.

Is a long-range wireless a good investment on a ship of this size?

[Kaiser Kirk]

I like it better, yes.

Is a long-range wireless a good investment on a ship of this size?

I generally haven't been putting it on the littoral forces.

[Jefgte]

...Is a long-range wireless a good investment on a ship of this size?...

For carrying out colony patrols or isolated operations or escort in colonies, that's better.

[Kaiser Kirk]

The question I ask myself is if the Colonies have radios (IC) of their own, and if I expect the ships to be more than 100nm out to sea.
However, it's not a huge weight in either case.

[Jefgte]

The question I ask myself is if the Colonies have radios (IC) of their own, and if I expect the ships to be more than 100nm out to sea...

The main bases have radios and are on call 24 hours a day.
Thus, if a Parthian cruiser is seen off Kismayo (Somalia), the TGB on patrol will report it.
His radio call will be received in Aden and Diego Suarez.

...However, it's not a huge weight in either case.
..

Yes but, it degrades the stability of ships.

[Jefgte]

This one is certainly better with 30.5kts vs the last one at 27kts

Suez class, Byzantine Empire TGB1000 laid down 1925

Displacement:
   1 000 t light; 1 057 t standard; 1 133 t normal; 1 194 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (277,20 ft / 275,59 ft) x 29,53 ft x (11,77 / 12,19 ft)
   (84,49 m / 84,00 m) x 9,00 m  x (3,59 / 3,72 m)

Armament:
      4 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 50,00lbs / 22,68kg shells, 232 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm 45,0 cal gun - 12,50lbs / 5,67kg shells, 270 per gun
     Anti-air gun in deck mount, 1925 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft
      1 raised mount
      4 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 3,00lbs / 1,36kg shells, 1 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      2 - 0,30" / 7,7 mm 90,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 3 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward
      Weight of broadside 225 lbs / 102 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,79" / 20 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 25 620 shp / 19 112 Kw = 30,65 kts
   Range 5 000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 137 tons

Complement:
   96 - 126

Cost:
   £0,412 million / $1,649 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 43 tons, 3,8 %
      - Guns: 43 tons, 3,8 %
   Armour: 11 tons, 0,9 %
      - Armament: 11 tons, 0,9 %
   Machinery: 567 tons, 50,0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 303 tons, 26,8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 133 tons, 11,7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 77 tons, 6,8 %
      - On freeboard deck: 48 tons
      - Above deck: 29 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     319 lbs / 145 Kg = 6,1 x 4,7 " / 120 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,08
   Metacentric height 0,9 ft / 0,3 m
   Roll period: 12,8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,42
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,03

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,414 / 0,421
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,33 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 16,60 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 70 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 68
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   18,00 %,  18,37 ft / 5,60 m,  15,58 ft / 4,75 m
      - Forward deck:   33,00 %,  15,58 ft / 4,75 m,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Aft deck:   33,00 %,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m,  12,14 ft / 3,70 m
      - Quarter deck:   16,00 %,  12,14 ft / 3,70 m,  12,47 ft / 3,80 m
      - Average freeboard:      13,88 ft / 4,23 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 173,2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 135,3 %
   Waterplane Area: 5 053 Square feet or 469 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 61 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 30 lbs/sq ft or 147 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,50
      - Longitudinal: 3,20
      - Overall: 0,60
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

25t for Long Range Marconi
4t for top mast rangefinder
16t for 1 x 4TT x 533 HW
4t for climatisation
5t for Hydrophone
5t for 50 DC
18t reserved for Minen or new armament.

Trial speed: 31,5kts
Bonus: 0.85

5000nm at 10kts to cross oceans
3333nm at 12kts
2300nm at 14kts
890nm at 20kts
252nm at 30kts

[Jefgte]

Possible refurbishment for D3 class

D3, Byzantine Empire D3-500t laid down 1901 (Engine 1925)

Displacement:
   500 t light; 519 t standard; 565 t normal; 602 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (246,06 ft / 246,06 ft) x 24,61 ft x (8,17 / 8,52 ft)
   (75,00 m / 75,00 m) x 7,50 m  x (2,49 / 2,60 m)

Armament:
      3 - 4,00" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 32,27lbs / 14,64kg shells, 146 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 - 0,30" / 7,6 mm 90,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      2 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 97 lbs / 44 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 10 000 shp / 7 460 Kw = 27,02 kts
   Range 3 100nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 83 tons

Complement:
   57 - 75

Cost:
   £0,059 million / $0,235 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 17 tons, 3,1 %
      - Guns: 17 tons, 3,1 %
   Armour: 5 tons, 0,9 %
      - Armament: 5 tons, 0,9 %
   Machinery: 261 tons, 46,2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 191 tons, 33,8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 66 tons, 11,6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 25 tons, 4,4 %
      - Hull above water: 5 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 18 tons
      - Above deck: 2 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     234 lbs / 106 Kg = 7,3 x 4,0 " / 102 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,12
   Metacentric height 0,8 ft / 0,2 m
   Roll period: 11,9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,24
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,01

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,400 / 0,409
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15,69 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   24,00 %,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m,  15,09 ft / 4,60 m
      - Forward deck:   25,00 %,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m,  8,20 ft / 2,50 m
      - Aft deck:   26,00 %,  8,20 ft / 2,50 m,  8,20 ft / 2,50 m
      - Quarter deck:   25,00 %,  8,20 ft / 2,50 m,  7,87 ft / 2,40 m
      - Average freeboard:      10,15 ft / 3,09 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 158,7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 106,8 %
   Waterplane Area: 3 727 Square feet or 346 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 78 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 29 lbs/sq ft or 141 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,67
      - Longitudinal: 2,10
      - Overall: 0,75
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

16t for 4 TT x 450 + 4 reloads

1909 refit
1t for new rangefinder
10t for Marconi

1925 refurbisment
new engines - turbines 10000shp
new 102mm guns with 2t rangefinder - 14km
5t climatisation
2t reserved

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Was

D3, Byzantine Empire D3-500t laid down 1901

Displacement:
   500 t light; 519 t standard; 570 t normal; 610 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (246,06 ft / 246,06 ft) x 24,61 ft x (8,23 / 8,61 ft)
   (75,00 m / 75,00 m) x 7,50 m  x (2,51 / 2,63 m)

Armament:
      3 - 4,00" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 32,28lbs / 14,64kg shells, 146 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 - 0,30" / 7,7 mm 70,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      Weight of broadside 97 lbs / 44 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,20" / 5 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0,20" / 5 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8 000 ihp / 5 968 Kw = 25,59 kts
   Range 2 630nm at 9,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 91 tons (90% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   57 - 75

Cost:
   £0,068 million / $0,274 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 17 tons, 3,1 %
      - Guns: 17 tons, 3,1 %
   Armour: 2 tons, 0,4 %
      - Armament: 2 tons, 0,4 %
   Machinery: 330 tons, 57,9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 121 tons, 21,2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 70 tons, 12,3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 29 tons, 5,1 %
      - On freeboard deck: 18 tons
      - Above deck: 11 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     118 lbs / 54 Kg = 3,7 x 4,0 " / 102 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,33
   Metacentric height 1,0 ft / 0,3 m
   Roll period: 10,2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,18
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,400 / 0,409
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15,69 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   24,00 %,  12,47 ft / 3,80 m,  11,15 ft / 3,40 m
      - Forward deck:   25,00 %,  8,53 ft / 2,60 m,  8,20 ft / 2,50 m
      - Aft deck:   26,00 %,  8,20 ft / 2,50 m,  8,20 ft / 2,50 m
      - Quarter deck:   25,00 %,  8,20 ft / 2,50 m,  7,87 ft / 2,40 m
      - Average freeboard:      9,04 ft / 2,75 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 195,2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 103,2 %
   Waterplane Area: 3 727 Square feet or 346 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 23 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 21 lbs/sq ft or 100 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,50
      - Longitudinal: 1,05
      - Overall: 0,54
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

16t for 4 TT x 450 + 4 reloads

1909 refit
1t for new rangefinder
10t for Marconi

[Kaiser Kirk]

You've got to use electric drive to go from Triple Expansion to Turbine.
That's under Ship Design :

If a refurbishment or reconstruction changes the type of engine (eg VTE to Turbine), then Electric drives must be used. This is due to the change in shaft runs between various engine types.

[Jefgte]

SS updated => no change weight.
OA always 0.75

D3, Byzantine Empire D3-500t laid down 1901 (Engine 1925)

Displacement:
   500 t light; 521 t standard; 568 t normal; 605 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (246,06 ft / 246,06 ft) x 24,61 ft x (8,20 / 8,55 ft)
   (75,00 m / 75,00 m) x 7,50 m  x (2,50 / 2,61 m)

Armament:
      3 - 4,00" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 33,00lbs / 14,97kg shells, 140 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      1 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm 45,0 cal gun - 12,50lbs / 5,67kg shells, 300 per gun
     Anti-air gun in deck mount, 1925 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft
      1 raised mount
      2 - 0,30" / 7,6 mm 90,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      2 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 112 lbs / 51 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0,20" / 5 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 2 shafts, 10 000 shp / 7 460 Kw = 27,00 kts
   Range 3 100nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 84 tons

Complement:
   57 - 75

Cost:
   £0,059 million / $0,238 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 20 tons, 3,5 %
      - Guns: 20 tons, 3,5 %
   Armour: 4 tons, 0,7 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 0,7 %
   Machinery: 261 tons, 45,9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 192 tons, 33,8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 68 tons, 11,9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 23 tons, 4,1 %
      - Hull above water: 5 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 16 tons
      - Above deck: 2 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     232 lbs / 105 Kg = 7,3 x 4,0 " / 102 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,12
   Metacentric height 0,8 ft / 0,2 m
   Roll period: 11,9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,29
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,01

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,400 / 0,409
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15,69 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   24,00 %,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m,  15,09 ft / 4,60 m
      - Forward deck:   25,00 %,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m,  8,20 ft / 2,50 m
      - Aft deck:   26,00 %,  8,20 ft / 2,50 m,  8,20 ft / 2,50 m
      - Quarter deck:   25,00 %,  8,20 ft / 2,50 m,  7,87 ft / 2,40 m
      - Average freeboard:      10,15 ft / 3,09 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 159,3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 106,8 %
   Waterplane Area: 3 727 Square feet or 346 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 78 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 29 lbs/sq ft or 143 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,67
      - Longitudinal: 2,12
      - Overall: 0,75
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

16t for 4 TT x 450 + 4 reloads

1909 refit
1t for new rangefinder
10t for Marconi

1925 refurbisment
new engines - turbines 10000shp
new 102mm guns with 2t rangefinder - 14km
5t climatisation

[Kaiser Kirk]

Engines and Drive Shafts

The engine year of a ship will be equivalent to the laydown year of that ship or the year in which either a refurbishment or reconstruction has taken place and engine upgrades have been paid for.

Drive Shafts have some special benefits and drawbacks.
Direct Drives: No bonus or penalty
Electric Drives: Take an additional 25% of engine weight in misc weight and provides a 15% bonus to range plus improved compartmentalization (effects number of torpedo hits to sink)
Hydraulic Drives: Takes an additional 10% of engine weight in misc weight and provides a 5% bonus to range.
Geared Drives: Provides a 10% bonus to range.
Diesel Engines: Diesel engines can be used as part of mixed drive units or standalone power. Takes an additional 30% of engine weight in misc weight and provides a 75% bonus to range. Can be combined with Electric, Hydraulic or Geared drives (Bonus and penalties stack).

If a refurbishment or reconstruction changes the type of engine (eg VTE to Turbine), then Electric drives must be used. This is due to the change in shaft runs between various engine types.

SS updated => no change weight.
OA always 0.75

D3, Byzantine Empire D3-500t laid down 1901 (Engine 1925)


Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 2 shafts, 10 000 shp / 7 460 Kw = 27,00 kts
   Range 3 100nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 84 tons

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Machinery: 261 tons, 45,9 %
   
   Miscellaneous weights: 23 tons, 4,1 %
      - Hull above water: 5 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 16 tons
      - Above deck: 2 tons

That 261 ton engine would need 65.25 tons of turbogenerators in Hull Below Water to provide the electric drive.

This also makes me concerned about other old ships you've refitted, did they follow this ?

[Jefgte]

That 261 ton engine would need 65.25 tons of turbogenerators in Hull Below Water to provide the electric drive.

This also makes me concerned about other old ships you've refitted, did they follow this ?

BB1  >:(
BB2
AC3
AC6
C3  >:(
AGB4450  >:(

For D3, add 65t on 500t... I forget the rebuilt   >:( >:( >:(

Electric Drives: Take an additional 25% of engine weight in misc weight

>:(   >:(   >:(

[Jefgte]

299t of turbines & electric drive
+ new guns
+ cost of rebuilt...

Too expensive, I prefer build new 500t Mayyuns

TGB540 ex D3, Byzantine Empire TGB laid down 1901 (Engine 1925)

Displacement:
   540 t light; 563 t standard; 612 t normal; 651 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (246,06 ft / 246,06 ft) x 24,61 ft x (8,84 / 9,21 ft)
   (75,00 m / 75,00 m) x 7,50 m  x (2,70 / 2,81 m)

Armament:
      3 - 4,00" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 33,00lbs / 14,97kg shells, 140 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      1 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm 45,0 cal gun - 12,50lbs / 5,67kg shells, 250 per gun
     Anti-air gun in deck mount, 1925 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft
      1 raised mount
      2 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 90,0 cal guns - 3,67lbs / 1,67kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      2 raised mounts
      2 - 0,30" / 7,6 mm 90,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward
      2 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 119 lbs / 54 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 2 shafts, 8 000 shp / 5 968 Kw = 25,31 kts
   Range 3 100nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 88 tons

Complement:
   60 - 79

Cost:
   £0,059 million / $0,235 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 23 tons, 3,8 %
      - Guns: 23 tons, 3,8 %
   Armour: 7 tons, 1,2 %
      - Armament: 7 tons, 1,2 %
   Machinery: 239 tons, 39,1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 184 tons, 30,1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 72 tons, 11,8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 86 tons, 14,1 %
      - Hull below water: 60 tons
      - Hull above water: 5 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 19 tons
      - Above deck: 2 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     269 lbs / 122 Kg = 8,4 x 4,0 " / 102 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,16
   Metacentric height 0,8 ft / 0,2 m
   Roll period: 11,5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,32
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,06

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,400 / 0,409
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15,69 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 61 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   24,00 %,  15,75 ft / 4,80 m,  14,44 ft / 4,40 m
      - Forward deck:   25,00 %,  9,19 ft / 2,80 m,  7,61 ft / 2,32 m
      - Aft deck:   26,00 %,  7,61 ft / 2,32 m,  7,61 ft / 2,32 m
      - Quarter deck:   25,00 %,  7,61 ft / 2,32 m,  7,28 ft / 2,22 m
      - Average freeboard:      9,53 ft / 2,91 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 148,4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 94,6 %
   Waterplane Area: 3 727 Square feet or 346 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 91 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 29 lbs/sq ft or 143 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,69
      - Longitudinal: 1,74
      - Overall: 0,75
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

16t for 4 TT x 450 + 4 reloads

1909 refit
1t for new rangefinder
10t for Marconi

1925 refurbisment
new engines - turbines 8000shp
60t for electric drive
new 102mm guns with 2t rangefinder - 14km
9t for 3TTx533
5t climatisation
5t for hydrophone
5t for 50 DC

[Jefgte]

AGB4450

Add 200t to AGB4450=> 4650t
electric drive = 205t

AGB5850 to AGB 4650t, Byzantine Empire Armored Colonial Gunboat laid down 1897 (Engine 1921)

Displacement:
   4 650 t light; 4 852 t standard; 5 121 t normal; 5 337 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (410,00 ft / 404,00 ft) x 57,00 ft x (12,43 / 12,87 ft)
   (124,97 m / 123,14 m) x 17,37 m  x (3,79 / 3,92 m)

Armament:
      4 - 7,52" / 191 mm 45,0 cal guns - 200,00lbs / 90,72kg shells, 140 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1921 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 50,00lbs / 22,68kg shells, 180 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1921 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm 45,0 cal guns - 12,50lbs / 5,67kg shells, 240 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1921 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      4 - 0,30" / 7,7 mm 90,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1921 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 1 250 lbs / 567 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3,94" / 100 mm   374,02 ft / 114,00 m   10,33 ft / 3,15 m
   Ends:   0,98" / 25 mm     29,53 ft / 9,00 m   6,00 ft / 1,83 m
     0,46 ft / 0,14 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   0,98" / 25 mm   374,02 ft / 114,00 m   6,56 ft / 2,00 m
     Main Belt covers 142 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   4,72" / 120 mm   1,38" / 35 mm      3,94" / 100 mm
   2nd:   0,79" / 20 mm         -         1,57" / 40 mm
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1,18" / 30 mm
   Forecastle: 0,79" / 20 mm  Quarter deck: 0,79" / 20 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3,94" / 100 mm, Aft 1,38" / 35 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 2 shafts, 23 240 shp / 17 337 Kw = 24,00 kts
   Range 6 000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 485 tons (25% coal)

Complement:
   302 - 393

Cost:
   £0,401 million / $1,606 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 319 tons, 6,2 %
      - Guns: 319 tons, 6,2 %
   Armour: 1 236 tons, 24,1 %
      - Belts: 711 tons, 13,9 %
      - Armament: 140 tons, 2,7 %
      - Armour Deck: 351 tons, 6,9 %
      - Conning Towers: 34 tons, 0,7 %
   Machinery: 819 tons, 16,0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 925 tons, 37,6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 471 tons, 9,2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 352 tons, 6,9 %
      - Hull below water: 235 tons
      - Hull above water: 30 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 30 tons
      - Above deck: 57 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     8 267 lbs / 3 750 Kg = 38,9 x 7,5 " / 191 mm shells or 1,7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,18
   Metacentric height 2,9 ft / 0,9 m
   Roll period: 13,9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,37
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,02

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,626 / 0,630
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,09 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20,10 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -15,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00 %,  21,85 ft / 6,66 m,  19,88 ft / 6,06 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00 %,  16,27 ft / 4,96 m,  13,88 ft / 4,23 m
      - Aft deck:   30,00 %,  13,88 ft / 4,23 m,  13,88 ft / 4,23 m
      - Quarter deck:   20,00 %,  13,88 ft / 4,23 m,  13,88 ft / 4,23 m
      - Average freeboard:      15,60 ft / 4,75 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 80,4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 157,5 %
   Waterplane Area: 17 255 Square feet or 1 603 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 116 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 89 lbs/sq ft or 434 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,95
      - Longitudinal: 1,49
      - Overall: 1,00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

16t for 4 subTT x 15'' + 4 reloads
32t for top fire control
25t for  Marconi
30t for additionnal pumps
30t for additionnal ventilation
24t reserved
205t for electric drive