Ethiopian Navy

[Kaiser Kirk]

Thanks Jefgte !

So that's why I built that as a spreadsheet.
You can plug Jefgte's offerings in and see how the numbers work, just as you want.
He's got very nice AC designs. That VDT layout is a contender if you want to save a little tonnage.
Alternately, you could drop my version and the Norse ship, and see how many of Jefgte's you can fit in.

Your nation :)

[Kaiser Kirk]

The answer is...the # of TTs should be listed at the very bottom of the write up.
There is a springsharp tab for them, but it does not have the right tonnage.
So we set aside 'miscellaneous weight' and make notes at the bottom.

With some slight tweeks as requested.
...

Thanks... but I squint and I squint, and I can't see the TTs for that. That goes for most sheets, I can't tell if the TBs I just accepted have 4 or 5 TTs.
THat's a little annoying because Torpedoes are a major item for this class.
What does that one have, and where do I look?

[snip]

Ya, its under the Misc weight alocation. Apparently I didnt add that to this springsharp file. Should be 12x530mm tubes in 4 tripple launchers (two per side) ala Clemsons. Add some weight for FC and thats about all the allocation can suport.

EDIT: Modified from the Roman F-Class

--On Deck (40t)
----36t 12x530mm Torpedoes [Two triple tube mounts per side]
----3t Fire Control
----1t Reserve

[Kaiser Kirk]

SC2, Byzantine Empire SC2 laid down 1899

I think I could use one of those, but not the BB.
It is coming hot & heavy today, but I need to break. I'll be back in a couple of hours.
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If you download the spreadsheet, the "cost" column simply multiplies #suggested by tonnage.   
The "Tonnage remaining" simply deducts all the numbers in the "Cost" column from the budget.

So you can change the #suggested up and down to try different combos.
You can also add ships that folks post in the next lines down and see how they fit into the Fleet "Mix"
So you can customize to your desire.

[The Rock Doctor]

I'm not going to pro-actively offer new designs, because I don't want to overwhelm Anchor with too much stuff and I'm not yet clear on what his design priorities are.

However, if he sees a Union design he'd like to request tweaks for, I am totally cool to do that.

Or request a new design based on the various guns listed in my naval artillery thread.

[TacCovert4]

Same.  I've offered off line help on designing new classes for his new production,  and suggesting some things along those lines.

[AnchorSteam]

Okay, I appreciate all the help, but I am starting to hit a wall here, I'll be back tomorrow .... or after I have a look at this spreadsheet.
Its all starting to run together.....

[Kaiser Kirk]

Ok, so you indicated the Norse Monitor might be a bit more than you were looking for.
So I modified a Parthian gunboat design I had.

The Norse was 2,996 tons, this is 3000, so same budget 'cost'.

This has 180mm guns fore and aft for a fair amount of HE power.
Superimposed over the aft gun is a shielded 118mm Howitzer for arcing shots.
The main belt is +1 /-1 of facehardened armor along the waterline, while a 65mm belt carries to freeboard, rendering the ship fully armored.
at 3.9m, the draft is shallow for inshore work.  Torpedo nets are fitted so it can sit offshore and conduct bombardment safely.

The ship is very beamy, which makes it a steady platform. It also gives it the amidships deckspace to stack ships' boats.
These can be motor launches for marines, or MTBs.  There is room for both Marines, and large numbers of torpedoes or mines.

Ethiopian export, Parthian Coastal Gunboat laid down 1903

Displacement:
   2,991 t light; 3,128 t standard; 3,444 t normal; 3,697 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (294.98 ft / 291.99 ft) x 54.13 ft x (12.80 / 13.56 ft)
   (89.91 m / 89.00 m) x 16.50 m  x (3.90 / 4.13 m)

Armament:
      2 - 7.09" / 180 mm 45.0 cal guns - 176.37lbs / 80.00kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1899 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 - 4.65" / 118 mm 20.0 cal gun - 50.71lbs / 23.00kg shells, 300 per gun
     Breech loading gun in deck mount, 1899 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck centre
      1 raised mount
      4 - 0.30" / 7.5 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1,500 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 404 lbs / 183 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.54" / 90 mm   189.80 ft / 57.85 m   6.56 ft / 2.00 m
   Ends:   0.98" / 25 mm   102.17 ft / 31.14 m   6.56 ft / 2.00 m
   Upper:   2.56" / 65 mm   189.80 ft / 57.85 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Hull void:
      0.00" / 0 mm     0.00 ft / 0.00 m   0.00 ft / 0.00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3.54" / 90 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      0.98" / 25 mm
   2nd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.31" / 8 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1.18" / 30 mm
   Forecastle: 0.79" / 20 mm  Quarter deck: 0.79" / 20 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3.54" / 90 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 4,163 ihp / 3,105 Kw = 16.00 kts
   Range 4,600nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 570 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   224 - 292

Cost:
   £0.226 million / $0.902 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 97 tons, 2.8 %
      - Guns: 97 tons, 2.8 %
   Armour: 682 tons, 19.8 %
      - Belts: 397 tons, 11.5 %
      - Armament: 29 tons, 0.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 238 tons, 6.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 17 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 615 tons, 17.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 955 tons, 27.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 453 tons, 13.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 642 tons, 18.6 %
      - Hull below water: 190 tons
      - Hull void weights: 25 tons
      - Hull above water: 132 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 255 tons
      - Above deck: 40 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5,639 lbs / 2,558 Kg = 31.7 x 7.1 " / 180 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.58
   Metacentric height 4.3 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 11.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 77 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.09
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.57

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a round stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.596 / 0.604
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.39 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.09 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -1.50 ft / -0.46 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m,  11.98 ft / 3.65 m
      - Average freeboard:      11.22 ft / 3.42 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 79.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 109.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 11,518 Square feet or 1,070 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 119 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 67 lbs/sq ft or 327 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.60
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Warning: Beam between bulkheads too wide

Misc weight

Void
25t - Construction Reserve

Above deck
25 - LR radio
10 - FC

On Deck Amidships

240 - provisions for 2 x 60t TB / MTB / MGB (will fit 4x MTB-B)

Above Water
12 - Tender services for 120tons TB/MTB/MGB
100t - Marines
20t - brig

two mine rails exit through hatches above the stern here.

Below Water
90t - Torpedo nets.
100t - Mine/Torpedo Storage Space, chilled, with cargo lift to deck.

[Kaiser Kirk]

Ok,

So this is a DRAFT turn sheet for 1913.0.

I broke Ethiopia into 3 regions.
The Northern Kush (Sudan)
The Southern Adal - after the old Sultanate of Adal,
and the core Abyssinia.

The tech investments under research as as requested.
Since it's 1913, it's pricey to start researching 1914 AC, but you can.

On the Naval construction , I lay down the next 12 DDs, and an additional 12 MTB-Bs.
Since you discussed building another CA and 2 CLs, I put aside tonnage for that.

Above, it lists the results of the prior building.
For 1907-1912, you wanted the 1911 DDs and 1910 MTB-Bs, I tried to figure out how many you could have fit in the drydocks. So..24 DDs, 136 MTB-Bs.

On the Non-Naval is your Army/Airforce/Forts.
For now I'm suggesting build 2 Army, 1 Air, 1 Deployment and 1 fort/ turn.

Then I went and invested the surplus at the max of $5/turn in the two provinces you had in 1913.0. The 4 new ones will not be available until 1914.

[Desertfox]

Just in case you are looking for a cheaper armored cruiser, basically a San Giorgio with two less secondary turrets (but the secondaries capable of cross deck fire) kind of a pre-dred Von der Tann.


Pisa the Hutt class, Ethiopian Armored Cruiser laid down 1908

Displacement:
   9,417 t light; 9,887 t standard; 10,350 t normal; 10,720 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (460.00 ft / 460.00 ft) x 70.00 ft x (22.50 / 23.10 ft)
   (140.21 m / 140.21 m) x 21.34 m  x (6.86 / 7.04 m)

Armament:
      4 - 10.00" / 254 mm 45.0 cal guns - 504.26lbs / 228.73kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1908 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 7.00" / 178 mm 45.0 cal guns - 172.96lbs / 78.45kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1908 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on sides amidships
      14 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 32.27lbs / 14.64kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1908 Model
     14 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      Weight of broadside 3,161 lbs / 1,434 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   260.00 ft / 79.25 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   200.00 ft / 60.96 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   260.00 ft / 79.25 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 87 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   7.00" / 178 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   7.00" / 178 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      7.00" / 178 mm
   3rd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.50" / 64 mm
   Forecastle: 1.50" / 38 mm  Quarter deck: 1.50" / 38 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.00" / 254 mm, Aft 4.00" / 102 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 37,372 shp / 27,879 Kw = 25.00 kts
   Range 4,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 833 tons

Complement:
   512 - 666

Cost:
   £0.869 million / $3.477 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 685 tons, 6.6 %
      - Guns: 685 tons, 6.6 %
   Armour: 3,317 tons, 32.0 %
      - Belts: 1,534 tons, 14.8 %
      - Armament: 746 tons, 7.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 894 tons, 8.6 %
      - Conning Towers: 143 tons, 1.4 %
   Machinery: 1,887 tons, 18.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,333 tons, 32.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 933 tons, 9.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 195 tons, 1.9 %
      - Hull below water: 30 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 50 tons
      - Above deck: 115 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     11,905 lbs / 5,400 Kg = 23.8 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.08
   Metacentric height 3.4 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 15.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.40
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.01

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.500 / 0.504
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.57 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.45 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   30.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Aft deck:   25.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:      15.36 ft / 4.68 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 119.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 21,454 Square feet or 1,993 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 119 lbs/sq ft or 582 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.68
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

35t for Long and short-ranged wireless and flagship accomodations
80t for 1905 Fire Control
50t for spare
30t for 6 x 18" torpedo tubes plus reloads

[AnchorSteam]

With some slight tweeks as requested.

Thanks Snip, I owe you one.

That will be the standard for the 20 x DDs, further mods will be for improved sea-keeping and range, but that's for the future.

CHANGE -

That type, and the 500t DDs, the MGBs, the Elena BC, and the TBs are all approved.

I still want to go over CL and CA designs, just what is on this page is enough to keep me busy for a whle.

[AnchorSteam]

Just in case you are looking for a cheaper armored cruiser, basically a San Giorgio with two less secondary turrets (but the secondaries capable of cross deck fire) kind of a pre-dred Von der Tann.


Pisa the Hutt class, Ethiopian Armored Cruiser laid down 1908

Displacement:
   9,417 t light; 9,887 t standard; 10,350 t normal; 10,720 t full load
.....
35t for Long and short-ranged wireless and flagship accomodations
80t for 1905 Fire Control
50t for spare
30t for 6 x 18" torpedo tubes plus reloads

That looks very good, a find companion to the BC, but I think I have better fire control.... I'll ask Kaiser about that.
Are the turrets super-firing?

Thanks!

[AnchorSteam]

Ok,

So this is a DRAFT turn sheet for 1913.0.

I broke Ethiopia into 3 regions.
The Northern Kush (Sudan)
The Southern Adal - after the old Sultanate of Adal,
and the core Abyssinia.

All good

The tech investments under research as as requested.
Since it's 1913, it's pricey to start researching 1914 AC, but you can.

AC.... Armored Cars?

On the Naval construction , I lay down the next 12 DDs, and an additional 12 MTB-Bs.
Since you discussed building another CA and 2 CLs, I put aside tonnage for that.

This is embarrassing....
First, see below,
And it occurs to me that it takes years to build a Dreadnought, and that if I want a pair of ships that can make a stand against a real enemy I'd better get started on something like those South Carolinas that have already been suggested to me.
So.... my bad.
Too late to set that up?

Above, it lists the results of the prior building.
For 1907-1912, you wanted the 1911 DDs and 1910 MTB-Bs, I tried to figure out how many you could have fit in the drydocks. So..24 DDs, 136 MTB-Bs.

Wow, that's great! Fantastic, even, it looks as if I won't be needing more of those any time soon.

On the Non-Naval is your Army/Airforce/Forts.
For now I'm suggesting build 2 Army, 1 Air, 1 Deployment and 1 fort/ turn.

Then I went and invested the surplus at the max of $5/turn in the two provinces you had in 1913.0. The 4 new ones will not be available until 1914.

Here is where I have a very different idea; I already have 30 fort points and only 5 places to distribute them (4 home ports and one colony) and a max. of 6 to spend at each place, if I am right about that... so I think that will be a Deployment point instead. 


ALSO - The only monitor with 12" guns for that year that I could find were the USA Tonopah types, and one look at them proves they are barely sea-worthy.
Dreadful things, and their fire-control is sure to be garbage, so I would be very happy to accept the Norse types with 180mm guns.

I'm not over-loading you yet, am I?

[Desertfox]

That looks very good, a find companion to the BC, but I think I have better fire control.... I'll ask Kaiser about that.
Are the turrets super-firing?

Thanks!

They are en echelon like Von Der Tan, kind of like in this picture.

I can switch to superfiring if you'd like. Any other changes you want? What guns are you going to be using?

[Kaiser Kirk]

Here is where I have a very different idea; I already have 30 fort points and only 5 places to distribute them (4 home ports and one colony) and a max. of 6 to spend at each place, if I am right about that... so I think that will be a Deployment point instead. 


ALSO - The only monitor with 12" guns for that year that I could find were the USA Tonopah types, and one look at them proves they are barely sea-worthy.
Dreadful things, and their fire-control is sure to be garbage, so I would be very happy to accept the Norse types with 180mm guns.

I'm not over-loading you yet, am I?

Nope not overloaded, thanks for asking.

I will likely miss things.

Fortifications are assigned on a regional level, not a location-specific level. Since your forts existed before you picked up colonies, they can only be assigned the 3 home regions.
On the sample turn I provided, I have them divided up land/coast and by region on the "non-naval" tab.
Since it's your nation, you're free to move them where you want pre-start.

The 180mm + 118HOW would be a Parthian export designed & built for Ethiopia. Easy to slot in.
The Fire Control you currently have is 1905.
I would strongly suggest you research the next fire control as a priority instead of signals int.
I would also strongly suggest waiting on 1914 aircraft until 1914...otherwise it costs more and you only save 1 year.