Ethiopian Navy

[Kaiser Kirk]

Placeholder for now.

Will be attaching spreadsheet with proposed starter forces.
Eventually will also attach "starter' HY1, 1913 turnsheet.


Then will do RFP for any class needs unmet.

[Kaiser Kirk]

To give Anchor Steam something to look at while I tinker....

1) A 1904 Regina Elena style AC with 255/50mm guns, heavy armor, and 25knot speed.

2) A 1903 rail or road transportable gunboat - beam of 4m, length 20m, either on a special flatcar, or on skids dragged by steam traction engines.

3) A 1900 Torpedo boat (destroyer) adapted from a japanese one.

[Kaiser Kirk]

Solomonic, Ethiopia Armored Cruiser laid down 1906

Displacement:
   17,499 t light; 18,352 t standard; 19,600 t normal; 20,599 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (493.77 ft / 487.20 ft) x 85.30 ft x (28.71 / 29.88 ft)
   (150.50 m / 148.50 m) x 26.00 m  x (8.75 / 9.11 m)

Armament:
      4 - 10.04" / 255 mm 50.0 cal guns - 535.72lbs / 243.00kg shells, 140 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 7.09" / 180 mm 45.0 cal guns - 176.37lbs / 80.00kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     6 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
      16 - 3.54" / 90.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 22.42lbs / 10.17kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1906 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      Weight of broadside 4,618 lbs / 2,095 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.6" / 320 mm   316.67 ft / 96.52 m   11.81 ft / 3.60 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm   170.51 ft / 51.97 m   8.20 ft / 2.50 m
   Upper:   7.87" / 200 mm   316.67 ft / 96.52 m   6.56 ft / 2.00 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Hull void:
      0.00" / 0 mm     0.00 ft / 0.00 m   0.00 ft / 0.00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.6" / 320 mm   6.50" / 165 mm      12.6" / 320 mm
   2nd:   7.87" / 200 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   3rd:   5.91" / 150 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 3.54" / 90 mm
   Forecastle: 0.98" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 2.56" / 65 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13.98" / 355 mm, Aft 3.94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 57,232 shp / 42,695 Kw = 25.00 kts
   Range 5,750nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,246 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   827 - 1,076

Cost:
   £1.622 million / $6.487 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 994 tons, 5.1 %
      - Guns: 994 tons, 5.1 %
   Armour: 6,618 tons, 33.8 %
      - Belts: 3,012 tons, 15.4 %
      - Armament: 1,542 tons, 7.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,783 tons, 9.1 %
      - Conning Towers: 281 tons, 1.4 %
   Machinery: 4,048 tons, 20.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,360 tons, 27.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,102 tons, 10.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 479 tons, 2.4 %
      - Hull below water: 189 tons
      - Hull void weights: 170 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 85 tons
      - Above deck: 35 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     21,951 lbs / 9,957 Kg = 43.4 x 10.0 " / 255 mm shells or 2.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.29
   Metacentric height 6.2 ft / 1.9 m
   Roll period: 14.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.24
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.01

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.575 / 0.580
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.71 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.07 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -6.56 ft / -2.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  24.34 ft / 7.42 m,  22.70 ft / 6.92 m
      - Forward deck:   27.00 %,  22.70 ft / 6.92 m,  22.70 ft / 6.92 m
      - Aft deck:   38.00 %,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m,  15.16 ft / 4.62 m
      - Average freeboard:      18.54 ft / 5.65 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 89.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 122.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 29,692 Square feet or 2,759 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 137 lbs/sq ft or 668 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.94
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room



+6.92 Forecastle Deck
+4.42 Weather Deck, 30mm
+2.52 Top of main belt
+1.92 3rd Deck, Crown of Protective Deck 60mm
-0.58 2nd Deck, lower edge of protective deck
-1.08 Bottom of main belt
-3.08 1st Deck
-8.08 Engineering Deck


Misc Wt.

85t - 0.5% increased ventilation
40t - 4 torpedo tubes (2 each beam) with 20 torpedoes
149t - Torpedo Nets

[Kaiser Kirk]

Adapted from an old design I had.

RGB-1, Ethiopian Rail Transport Gunboat laid down 1903

Displacement:
   49 t light; 50 t standard; 52 t normal; 54 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (65.62 ft / 65.62 ft) x 13.12 ft x (3.28 / 3.37 ft)
   (20.00 m / 20.00 m) x 4.00 m  x (1.00 / 1.03 m)

Armament:
      2 - 1.77" / 45.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 2.80lbs / 1.27kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 0.30" / 7.5 mm 74.0 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.00kg shells, 1,500 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on sides amidships
      Weight of broadside 6 lbs / 3 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Conning towers: Forward 0.39" / 10 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 58 ihp / 43 Kw = 9.00 kts
   Range 1,000nm at 6.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   9 - 12

Cost:
   £0.003 million / $0.013 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 tons, 2.6 %
      - Guns: 1 tons, 2.6 %
   Armour: 2 tons, 3.7 %
      - Armament: 2 tons, 3.5 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.2 %
   Machinery: 9 tons, 16.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 14 tons, 25.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4 tons, 7.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 23 tons, 43.8 %
      - Hull below water: 5 tons
      - Hull above water: 10 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 8 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     80 lbs / 36 Kg = 28.9 x 1.8 " / 45 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.31
   Metacentric height 0.4 ft / 0.1 m
   Roll period: 8.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 89 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.11
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.79

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.650 / 0.653
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 8.10 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  4.92 ft / 1.50 m,  4.92 ft / 1.50 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  4.92 ft / 1.50 m,  4.92 ft / 1.50 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  4.92 ft / 1.50 m,  4.92 ft / 1.50 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  4.92 ft / 1.50 m,  4.92 ft / 1.50 m
      - Average freeboard:      4.92 ft / 1.50 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 92.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 67.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 650 Square feet or 60 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 115 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 14 lbs/sq ft or 69 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.76
      - Longitudinal: 4.26
      - Overall: 0.90
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

The Assault Lighter is a small coastal and riverine craft with a minimal keel.
The ship can maintain 6 knots for 7 days, which is the designed operating range.

A 1 ton winch sits on the foredeck, 

18 tons represent room and provision for a Section (16 troops and an officer), 

Misc Weight
1 - Winch
18 - Quarters
1 - Extra Quarters
3 - storage

[Kaiser Kirk]

TB-1, Ethiopian Torpedo Boat laid down 1900

Displacement:
   345 t light; 355 t standard; 379 t normal; 398 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (236.22 ft / 236.22 ft) x 22.97 ft x (6.23 / 6.43 ft)
   (72.00 m / 72.00 m) x 7.00 m  x (1.90 / 1.96 m)

Armament:
      1 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal gun - 12.98lbs / 5.89kg shells, 120 per gun
     Quick firing gun in deck mount, 1899 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck centre
      5 - 1.77" / 45.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 2.80lbs / 1.27kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
     1 x Single mount on sides, aft deck centre
      Weight of broadside 27 lbs / 12 kg

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7,836 ihp / 5,846 Kw = 27.00 kts
   Range 1,200nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 43 tons (90% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   42 - 55

Cost:
   £0.046 million / $0.186 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 6 tons, 1.5 %
      - Guns: 6 tons, 1.5 %
   Machinery: 235 tons, 62.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 96 tons, 25.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 34 tons, 8.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 9 tons, 2.4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 8 tons
      - Above deck: 1 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     87 lbs / 40 Kg = 6.8 x 3.0 " / 75 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.51
   Metacentric height 1.1 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 9.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.05
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 0.78

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.392 / 0.399
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.29 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.37 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 64
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  10.66 ft / 3.25 m,  9.02 ft / 2.75 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  9.02 ft / 2.75 m,  7.38 ft / 2.25 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  7.38 ft / 2.25 m,  7.38 ft / 2.25 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  7.38 ft / 2.25 m,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m
      - Average freeboard:      8.15 ft / 2.48 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 203.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 116.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 3,321 Square feet or 309 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 15 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 19 lbs/sq ft or 90 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 0.88
      - Overall: 0.53
   Extremely poor machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather

1t - FC
8t - 4 Torpedoes

[Kaiser Kirk]

Ok,
Attached is my draft suggestions for the Ethiopian Navy 1894-1906.

The first tab is the drydocks. They can be expanded later if desired.

The other tabs have the various classes, and then "Suggested" is how many I think the Ethiopians should get.
In some cases that is 0....
Basically that ship is an option, but I think another way is better.

The 1906 builds do go over slightly, so ~500 tons would be removed from the 1907-1912 builds.

[AnchorSteam]

Oh shit, that's a lot to go over!
And yes, I can do without 25k to get the docks I need. In fact, I was already wondering about that kind of thing.

ALL of what I proposed was notional and I figure that a lot of it won't happen the way I imagined .... Ship already showed me a better 1,000-tonner than the one I had in mind.

Give me some time, this is a LOT to go over....  :o

Ok,
Attached is my draft suggestions for the Ethiopian Navy 1894-1906.

The first tab is the drydocks. They can be expanded later if desired.

The other tabs have the various classes, and then "Suggested" is how many I think the Ethiopians should get.
In some cases that is 0....
Basically that ship is an option, but I think another way is better.

The 1906 builds do go over slightly, so ~500 tons would be removed from the 1907-1912 builds.

[snip]

The mentioned DD would be a near clone of the Roman F-class

[Kaiser Kirk]

Give me some time, this is a LOT to go over....  :o

Like I said, we throw you in the deep end of the pool, then toss you a filing cabinet of stuff to learn and say "Swim" !

...wait, no that what we've learned not to do...
that's right, try to be helpful...

[snip]

With some slight tweeks as requested.

Not-F-Class, Ethiopian Destroyer laid down 1911

Displacement:
   1,000 t light; 1,035 t standard; 1,126 t normal; 1,199 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (287.07 ft / 278.87 ft) x 29.53 ft x (11.48 / 11.98 ft)
   (87.50 m / 85.00 m) x 9.00 m  x (3.50 / 3.65 m)

Armament:
      4 - 3.94" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 175 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1911 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 raised mount aft - superfiring
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      2 - 1.77" / 45.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 2.94lbs / 1.34kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1911 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck centre
      2 raised mounts
      4 - 0.26" / 6.5 mm 60.0 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.00kg shells, 1,500 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1911 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 129 lbs / 59 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.59" / 15 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.59" / 15 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 26,000 shp / 19,396 Kw = 30.84 kts
   Range 3,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 163 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   96 - 126

Cost:
   £0.130 million / $0.521 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 24 tons, 2.1 %
      - Guns: 24 tons, 2.1 %
   Armour: 20 tons, 1.8 %
      - Armament: 20 tons, 1.8 %
   Machinery: 635 tons, 56.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 281 tons, 24.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 126 tons, 11.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 40 tons, 3.6 %
      - On freeboard deck: 40 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     284 lbs / 129 Kg = 9.3 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.36
   Metacentric height 1.4 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 10.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.19
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 0.85

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.417 / 0.425
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.44 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 16.70 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 70 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 2.23 ft / 0.68 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  15.58 ft / 4.75 m
      - Forward deck:   44.00 %,  15.58 ft / 4.75 m,  15.58 ft / 4.75 m
      - Aft deck:   21.00 %,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      12.40 ft / 3.78 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 188.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 128.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 5,122 Square feet or 476 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 47 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 29 lbs/sq ft or 143 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 2.06
      - Overall: 0.58
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather

[Jefgte]

"1897" sheet in KK Plan  ;)

SC2, Byzantine Empire SC2 laid down 1899

Displacement:
   3 950 t light; 4 093 t standard; 4 439 t normal; 4 716 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (410,00 ft / 410,00 ft) x 45,00 ft x (14,91 / 15,65 ft)
   (124,97 m / 124,97 m) x 13,72 m  x (4,54 / 4,77 m)

Armament:
      2 - 6,00" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,93lbs / 49,41kg shells, 120 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1899 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 6,00" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,93lbs / 49,41kg shells, 120 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1899 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 - 4,00" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 32,28lbs / 14,64kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      4 - 0,30" / 7,7 mm 80,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 783 lbs / 355 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,97" / 25 mm   0,77" / 20 mm      0,77" / 20 mm
   2nd:   0,97" / 25 mm   0,77" / 20 mm      0,77" / 20 mm
   3rd:   1,00" / 25 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 0,97" / 25 mm
   Forecastle: 0,79" / 20 mm  Quarter deck: 0,79" / 20 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 1,38" / 35 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 13 600 ihp / 10 146 Kw = 21,92 kts
   Range 4 000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 623 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   271 - 353

Cost:
   £0,500 million / $1,998 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 197 tons, 4,4 %
      - Guns: 197 tons, 4,4 %
   Armour: 283 tons, 6,4 %
      - Armament: 51 tons, 1,1 %
      - Armour Deck: 224 tons, 5,0 %
      - Conning Tower: 8 tons, 0,2 %
   Machinery: 2 095 tons, 47,2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 272 tons, 28,7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 489 tons, 11,0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 104 tons, 2,3 %
      - Hull below water: 16 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 78 tons
      - Above deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     1 881 lbs / 853 Kg = 17,4 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 0,5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,50
   Metacentric height 3,0 ft / 0,9 m
   Roll period: 10,9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,26
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,26

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,565 / 0,572
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,11 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20,25 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00 %,  14,10 ft / 4,30 m,  11,80 ft / 3,60 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00 %,  11,80 ft / 3,60 m,  10,82 ft / 3,30 m
      - Aft deck:   25,00 %,  10,82 ft / 3,30 m,  10,82 ft / 3,30 m
      - Quarter deck:   25,00 %,  10,82 ft / 3,30 m,  10,82 ft / 3,30 m
      - Average freeboard:      11,35 ft / 3,46 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 166,9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 101,8 %
   Waterplane Area: 13 059 Square feet or 1 213 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 84 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 72 lbs/sq ft or 351 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1,02
      - Longitudinal: 0,99
      - Overall: 1,00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

16t for 4TT x 18'' +4 reloads
18t for climat control
60t for 60 minen

1909 refit
10t for Marconi

[AnchorSteam]

Ok,

More than "OK", wow! The MGB is exactly right, the TBs look exactly like a 1900 should, and the Flagship has more armor and exactly the speed I was hoping for.
Seriously, for a Cruiser-killer it looks practically indestructible.

Great job, can't wait for the chance to repay the all favors!

[Jefgte]

A possible capital ship, a la Von der Tann

AC3, Byzantine Empire AC3 laid down 1904

Displacement:
   14 860 t light; 15 512 t standard; 16 690 t normal; 17 633 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (574,00 ft / 574,00 ft) x 76,00 ft x (22,10 / 23,13 ft)
   (174,96 m / 174,96 m) x 23,16 m  x (6,74 / 7,05 m)

Armament:
      4 - 10,00" / 254 mm 45,0 cal guns - 504,26lbs / 228,73kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 10,00" / 254 mm 45,0 cal guns - 504,26lbs / 228,73kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on sides amidships
      8 - 6,00" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,93lbs / 49,41kg shells, 140 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 4,00" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 32,28lbs / 14,64kg shells, 180 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 - 0,30" / 7,7 mm 70,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5 164 lbs / 2 342 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7,88" / 200 mm   436,00 ft / 132,89 m   8,00 ft / 2,44 m
   Ends:   1,97" / 50 mm   138,00 ft / 42,06 m   5,00 ft / 1,52 m
   Upper:   3,55" / 90 mm   436,00 ft / 132,89 m   10,00 ft / 3,05 m
     Main Belt covers 117 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9,45" / 240 mm   2,97" / 75 mm      7,88" / 200 mm
   2nd:   9,45" / 240 mm   2,97" / 75 mm      7,88" / 200 mm
   3rd:   1,97" / 50 mm   1,97" / 50 mm      1,97" / 50 mm
   4th:   0,80" / 20 mm         -               -
   5th:   0,50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1,77" / 45 mm
   Forecastle: 1,20" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1,20" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9,45" / 240 mm, Aft 7,88" / 200 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 48 000 shp / 35 808 Kw = 25,04 kts
   Range 5 000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 121 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   733 - 954

Cost:
   £1,616 million / $6,465 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 091 tons, 6,5 %
      - Guns: 1 091 tons, 6,5 %
   Armour: 3 813 tons, 22,8 %
      - Belts: 1 826 tons, 10,9 %
      - Armament: 751 tons, 4,5 %
      - Armour Deck: 993 tons, 5,9 %
      - Conning Towers: 244 tons, 1,5 %
   Machinery: 4 752 tons, 28,5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 977 tons, 29,8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 830 tons, 11,0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 227 tons, 1,4 %
      - Hull below water: 12 tons
      - Hull above water: 80 tons
      - Above deck: 135 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     12 509 lbs / 5 674 Kg = 25,0 x 10,0 " / 254 mm shells or 1,6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,24
   Metacentric height 4,9 ft / 1,5 m
   Roll period: 14,4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,39
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,11

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,606 / 0,612
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,55 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,96 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00 %,  18,00 ft / 5,49 m,  16,00 ft / 4,88 m
      - Forward deck:   33,00 %,  16,00 ft / 4,88 m,  15,00 ft / 4,57 m
      - Aft deck:   31,00 %,  15,00 ft / 4,57 m,  15,00 ft / 4,57 m
      - Quarter deck:   16,00 %,  15,00 ft / 4,57 m,  15,00 ft / 4,57 m
      - Average freeboard:      15,53 ft / 4,73 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 116,5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 127,2 %
   Waterplane Area: 32 085 Square feet or 2 981 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 127 lbs/sq ft or 620 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,99
      - Longitudinal: 1,05
      - Overall: 1,00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Misc weight:
12t => 3 TT x 450 with 3 reloads
80t => 40t for extra pump installation & 40t for extra air ventilation
135t => 125t for fire control & 10t for short Marconi

[AnchorSteam]

With some slight tweeks as requested.
...

Thanks... but I squint and I squint, and I can't see the TTs for that. That goes for most sheets, I can't tell if the TBs I just accepted have 4 or 5 TTs.
THat's a little annoying because Torpedoes are a major item for this class.
What does that one have, and where do I look?

[AnchorSteam]

"1897" sheet in KK Plan  ;)

SC2, Byzantine Empire SC2 laid down 1899

I think I could use one of those, but not the BB.
It is coming hot & heavy today, but I need to break. I'll be back in a couple of hours.