Data and information about ships

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P3D

#15
November 03, 2007, 04:25:01 PM
The first purpose of a warship is to remain afloat. Anon.
Below 40 degrees, there is no law. Below 50 degrees, there is no God. sailor's maxim on weather in the Southern seas

Korpen

#16
January 08, 2008, 07:12:54 AM
http://www.mo-na-ko.net/lode-monografie.htm
Some nice drawings of ships, quite a few from our era.
Card-carrying member of the Battlecruiser Fan Club.

Tanthalas

#17
January 08, 2008, 12:44:30 PM
Excelent site Korpen, anyone have data on HMS Abercrombie  I found it interesting.
"He either fears his fate too much,
Or his desserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all!"

James Graham, 5th Earl of Montrose
1612 to 1650
Royalist General during the English Civil War

P3D

#18
January 25, 2008, 02:24:29 PM
http://www.wunderwaffe.narod.ru/WeaponBook/Fleet.htm

Drawings, compartmentalization, armor schemes for ships.
Click on book covers (after decyphering the Cyrillic script or looking at the link address itself) then click on the drawings section "Chertezhi i skemi" (usually the last or the penultimate link).
The first purpose of a warship is to remain afloat. Anon.
Below 40 degrees, there is no law. Below 50 degrees, there is no God. sailor's maxim on weather in the Southern seas

Borys

#19
February 04, 2008, 10:10:24 PM
Ahoj!
I can (barely) read Russian, so I can be consulted :)
Borys
NEDS - Not Enough Deck Space for all those guns and torpedos;
Bambi must DIE!

Korpen

#20
March 12, 2008, 12:09:29 PM
Really nice page about HMS Flygia, and her 1931-32 long cruise.
http://www.flottansman.se/Alvsnabben/fylgia3132/fylgia3132.htm
The page is in Swedish, but for those who, for some reason, cannot read it, there is plenty of pretty pictures. :)
Card-carrying member of the Battlecruiser Fan Club.

P3D

#21
March 13, 2008, 06:19:09 PM
A US floating drydock. 53000t capacity, own displacement is 47000t light. 1050'x175'.

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/s-file/s584162.jpg
The first purpose of a warship is to remain afloat. Anon.
Below 40 degrees, there is no law. Below 50 degrees, there is no God. sailor's maxim on weather in the Southern seas

P3D

#22
July 07, 2008, 03:16:03 PM
Flow of Water through Holes In Gallons Per Minute

http://www.dcfp.navy.mil/library/tables/holes.htm
The first purpose of a warship is to remain afloat. Anon.
Below 40 degrees, there is no law. Below 50 degrees, there is no God. sailor's maxim on weather in the Southern seas

P3D

#23
August 31, 2008, 06:46:51 PM
Whitehead torpedoes

http://comunidad.ciudad.com.ar/argentina/capital_federal/cldwch/index.html

Korpen:
I already linked that website a few posts back.
The first purpose of a warship is to remain afloat. Anon.
Below 40 degrees, there is no law. Below 50 degrees, there is no God. sailor's maxim on weather in the Southern seas

Guinness

#24
September 08, 2008, 07:12:03 PM Last Edit: September 09, 2008, 09:23:27 AM by guinness
I had previous posted this elsewhere, but I figured it would be useful here.

Historical Length/Beam ratios of a selection of capital ships designed and built between 1900 and the Washington Treaty. In compiling these, I believe they are all without bulges:



US:
Maine(2):5.45
Virginia:5.79
Connecticut:5.95
South Carolina:5.65
Delaware:6.09
Florida:5.91
Wyoming:6.03
New York:6.0
Nevada:6.12
Pennsylvania:6.27
New Mexico:6.43
Tennessee:6.41
Colorado:6.41
South Dakota (1):6.51
Lexington (as BC):8.38
UK:
Duncan:5.72
King Edward VII:5.81
Swiftsure:6.75
Lord Nelson:5.58
Dreadnaught:6.43
Bellerophon:6.38
Neptune:6.42
Orion:6.60
King George V:6.72
Iron Duke:6.92
Agincourt:7.54
Queen Elizabeth:7.14
Revenge:7.09
Invinicble:7.22
Indefatigable:7.38
Lion:7.9
Tiger:7.77
Renown:8.82
Hood:8.26
Germany:
Wittlesbach:5.52
Braunschweig:5.81
Deutschland:5.74
Nassau:5.43
Helgoland:5.87
Kaiser:5.94
Konig:5.94
Bayern:6.0
Von Der Tann:6.45
Moltke:6.22
Seydlitz:7.04
Derfflinger:7.25
Mackensen:7.34
Ersatz Yorck:7.47
France:
Republique:5.58
Liberte:5.52
Danton:5.62
Courbet:5.94
Bretagne:6.17
Normandie:6.23
Lyon:6.59
Italy:
Alighieri:6.32
Cavour:6.03
Andrea Doria:6.03
Caracciolo:6.81
Austria:
Viribus Unitis:5.44
Russia:
Borodino:5.26
Evstafi:5.24
Pervozvanny:5.74
Gangut:6.77
Imperatritsa Mariya:6.14
Japan:
Mikasa:5.92
Katori:5.40
Satsuma:5.38
Settsu:6.27
Fuso:6.96
Ise:6.80
Nagato:6.39
Kongo:7.65

P3D

#25
December 13, 2008, 02:53:34 PM Last Edit: December 13, 2008, 02:55:50 PM by P3D
More Barbette diameters, thanks to Borys
http://www.phpbbplanet.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2937&highlight=&mforum=warshipprojects

9.2"/50, twin, Model No 8 for Lord Nelson: Inner diameter 19 ft. 6 in
8"/50 Two-gun Turret County classes inner diameter: 20 ft. 6 in.
6"/50 Three-gun Turret Town/Colony cruisers inner diameter: 23 ft. 6 in.
6"/50 Two-gun Turret Leander/Perth/Arethusa cruisers inner diameter: 17 ft. 6 in.
6"/50 Two-gun Turret Nelson class inner diameter: 17 ft. 9 in.

Quote...
Data on early 20C gun mountings is hard to come by, but the Italian 10in twins on San Giorgio were Elswick pattern and had roller path diameter 17'6". I would not expect the barbette diameter to be more than 3' greater. The figures for the Italian/Armstrong 12in were 24'6 and 28'.
Thurston (Vickers designer) gives internal barbette diameters 21'0" for HMS Swiftsure's 10in L45s; 21'6" for Rurik's 10in L50s.
An L45 10in (450") is a bit shorter than an L50 (460") or L51 (469") 9.2in; an L50 10in about 3ft longer, showing you don't need that much bigger barbette. Most of the extra length is outside, in the barrel.
Simply scaling down the L50 in proportion to 10" to 9.2" gives an internal barbette diameter of about 19'9", a bit more than Thurston's 19'6, so calling the L51 an L50 9.4in (as it was originally) would give 20'3" scaled down from the 10in; 19'11 scaled up from 9.2in. Call it 20', as the scaling down from 10 to 9.2 gave a slightly high result.
The first purpose of a warship is to remain afloat. Anon.
Below 40 degrees, there is no law. Below 50 degrees, there is no God. sailor's maxim on weather in the Southern seas

Korpen

#26
June 01, 2009, 06:33:25 AM
Mainly about pre-dreadnoughts, but covering most major nations.
http://www.cityofart.net/bship/site_nav.html
Card-carrying member of the Battlecruiser Fan Club.

Borys

#27
June 23, 2009, 03:03:33 AM Last Edit: June 23, 2009, 04:15:20 AM by Borys
Nicked of the Warship Projects forum.
If useless/redundant, please let me know and I'll delete. Maybe can be added to something similar posted by P3D?


Alaska 12" 50 cal. triple turret has a barbette int. dia. of 30 ft. and a revolving weight of 934 tons.

Oklahoma 14" 45 cal. triple turret has a barbette int. dia. of 30 ft and a revolving weight of 748 tons.

Oklahoma 14" 45 cal. twin turret has a barbette int. dia. of 28 ft int. dia. and a revolving weight of 618 tons.

Arizona 14" 45 cal. triple turret has a barbette int. dia. of 29 ft. 0 in. (I think this is questionable, it is probably the same as Oklahoma's, but that is what I found somewhere)
NEDS - Not Enough Deck Space for all those guns and torpedos;
Bambi must DIE!

Guinness

#28
August 11, 2009, 07:26:29 PM Last Edit: August 12, 2009, 09:17:19 AM by Guinness
Some questions have come up about the realism of our light displacement/1000 months +9 time to build rule. Taking a randomish sampling of some real world examples(TT is the total real world time in months, NT is the total time we might expect that ship to build in Navalism in months):

Big stuff

USS Vermont: LD 21/05/04 Launch 31/08/05 Comm 04/03/07 TT(Months): 22 NT(Months): 23
USS N. Dakota: LD 16/12/07 Launch 10/11/08 Comm 11/04/10 TT(Months): 29 NT(Months): 27
USS Washington: LD 14/06/38 Launch 01/06/40 Comm 15/05/41 TT(Months): 35 NT(Months): 41
HMS Dreadnought: LD 02/10/05 Launch 10/02/06 Comm 2/12/06 TT(Months): 14 NT(Months): 25
HMS Iron Duke: LD 12/01/12 Launch 12/10/12 Comm 12/03/14 TT(Months): 26 NT(Months): 32
SMS Nassau: LD: 22/07/07 Launch: 07/03/08 Comm: 01/10/09 TT(Months): 28 NT(Months): 28
FS Paris: LD: 10/11/11 Launch: 28/09/12 Comm: 01/08/14 TT(Months): 33 NT(Months): 29
IJN Nagato: LD: 28/08/17 Launch: 09/11/19 Comm: 15/11/20 TT(Months): 39 NT(Months): 37
IJN Musashi: LD: 29/03/38 Launch: 01/11/40 Comm: 05/08/42 TT (Months): 52 NT (Months): 71
RN Caio Duilio: LD: 24/02/12 Launch: 24/04/13 Comm: 13/06/16 TT(Months): 50 NT(Months): 30
ARA Rivadavia: LD: 25/05/10 Launch: 26/08/11 Comm: 27/08/14 TT(Months): 51 NT(Months): 34

Some smaller stuff:

HMS Birmingham: LD: 10/06/12 Launch: 07/05/13 Comm: 02/1914 TT(Months): 20 NT(Months): 13
USS Raleigh: LD: 16/08/20 Launch: 25/10/22 Comm: 06/02/24 TT(Months): 42 NT(Months): 15
USS Philadelphia: LD: 28/05/35 Launch: 17/11/36 Comm: 23/09/37 TT(Months): 28 (NT Months): 18
IJN Mikuma: LD: 24/12/31 Launch: 31/05/34 Comm: 29/08/35 TT(Months): 44 NT (Months): 18
USS Goldsborough: LD: 08/06/18 Launch: 20/11/18 Comm: 26/01/20 TT(Months): 19 NT (Months): 10
HMS Vampire: LD: 10/10/16 Launch: 21/05/17 Comm: 22/09/17 TT(Months): 11 NT (Months): 10
HMS Daring: LD: 18/06/31 Launch: 04/07/32 Comm: 25/11/32 TT(Months): 17 NT (Months): 10
FS Fantasque: LD: 15/11/31 Launch: 15/03/34 Comm: 01/05/36 TT(Months): 53 NT (Months): 11

Guinness

#29
August 11, 2009, 08:04:18 PM
Block Coefficents:

First US ships, all from Friedman's books:

CVs:
USS Langley: 0.70
USS Lexington: 0.564
USS Ranger: 0.457
USS Yorktown: 0.527
USS Wasp: 0.583
USS Essex: 0.573
USS Midway: 0.605

BBs:
USS Indiana: 0.622
USS Iowa (BB-4): 0.637
USS Louisianna: 0.660
USS Michigan: 0.637
USS North Dakota: 0.600
USS Utah: 0.584
USS Arkansas: 0.622
USS Texas: 0.616
USS Nevada: 0.617
USS Pennsylvania: 0.650
USS New Mexico: 0.638
USS Tennessee: 0.635
USS West Virginia: 0.640
USS South Dakota (BB-49): 0.662
USS Washington: 0.622
USS South Dakota (BB-57): 0.613
USS Iowa: 0.593
USS Montana: 0.665

Cruisers:
USS Olympia: 0.520
USS Brooklyn: 0.520
USS South Dakota (ACR-9): 0.569
USS Montana (ACR-13): 0.560
USS Birmingham: 0.553
USS Concord: 0.606
USS Lexington (as BC): 0.501
USS Salt Lake City: 0.563
USS Louisville: 0.552
USS Indianapolis: 0.535
USS Tuscaloosa: 0.533
USS Boise: 0.516
USS Wichita: 0.516
USS Atlanta: 0.502
USS Cleveland: 0.503
USS Baltimore: 0.525
USS Des Moines: 0.543
USS Worcester: 0.546
USS Alaska: 0.539

DDs:
USS Bainbridge (DD-1): 0.43
USS Lawrence (DD-8): 0.428
USS Smith (DD-17): 0.407
USS Paulding (DD-22): 0.410
USS Perkins (DD-26): 0.414
USS Trippe (DD-33): 0.412
USS Henley (DD-39): 0.410
USS Downes (DD-45): 0.423
USS Tucker (DD-57): 0.443
USS Rowan (DD-64): 0.452
USS Gwin (DD-71): 0.510
USS Wickes (DD-75): 0.470
USS Kimberly (DD-80): 0.470
USS Preble (DD-345): 0.478
USS Farragut (DD-348): 0.522
USS Porter (DD-356): 0.487
USS Sampson (DD-394): 0.482
USS Gridley (DD-380): 0.488
USS Benham (DD-397): 0.480
USS Fletcher (DD-445): 0.499
USS Barton (DD-722): 0.520
USS Charles R. Ware (DD-865): 0.540

Some others I could dig up with a little googling:

Bismarck: 0.550
Yamato: 0.596
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