Byzantine Empire - 1910

[Jefgte]

To be correct, I post my actual Plan.
Some SS ships are not posted in Byzantine Navy.
Probably, some little SS adjustments to do.

[Jefgte]

Possible AC5

AC5, Byzantine Empire AC5 laid down 1910

Displacement:
   21 570 t light; 22 671 t standard; 24 085 t normal; 25 217 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (690,00 ft / 690,00 ft) x 92,00 ft x (22,70 / 23,56 ft)
   (210,31 m / 210,31 m) x 28,04 m  x (6,92 / 7,18 m)

Armament:
      8 - 12,00" / 305 mm 45,0 cal guns - 871,37lbs / 395,24kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1910 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
      10 - 7,50" / 191 mm 45,0 cal guns - 212,74lbs / 96,50kg shells, 160 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1910 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 4,00" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 32,27lbs / 14,64kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1910 Model
     12 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 - 0,30" / 7,7 mm 90,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 3 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1910 Model
     4 x 2 row twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 9 486 lbs / 4 303 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9,85" / 250 mm   428,00 ft / 130,45 m   9,00 ft / 2,74 m
   Ends:   3,95" / 100 mm   262,00 ft / 79,86 m   8,00 ft / 2,44 m
   Upper:   3,95" / 100 mm   428,00 ft / 130,45 m   13,00 ft / 3,96 m
     Main Belt covers 95 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
      1,20" / 30 mm   428,00 ft / 130,45 m   22,70 ft / 6,92 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 84,00 ft / 25,60 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11,8" / 300 mm   2,97" / 75 mm      9,85" / 250 mm
   2nd:   1,97" / 50 mm   1,97" / 50 mm      1,97" / 50 mm
   3rd:   0,80" / 20 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2,95" / 75 mm
   Forecastle: 1,77" / 45 mm  Quarter deck: 1,77" / 45 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9,45" / 240 mm, Aft 7,88" / 200 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 80 000 shp / 59 680 Kw = 27,36 kts
   Range 6 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 546 tons

Complement:
   966 - 1 256

Cost:
   £1,987 million / $7,949 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 611 tons, 6,7 %
      - Guns: 1 611 tons, 6,7 %
   Armour: 7 337 tons, 30,5 %
      - Belts: 2 887 tons, 12,0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 431 tons, 1,8 %
      - Armament: 1 504 tons, 6,2 %
      - Armour Deck: 2 202 tons, 9,1 %
      - Conning Towers: 311 tons, 1,3 %
   Machinery: 3 306 tons, 13,7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 8 749 tons, 36,3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 515 tons, 10,4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 568 tons, 2,4 %
      - Hull below water: 18 tons
      - Hull above water: 150 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 250 tons
      - Above deck: 150 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     35 283 lbs / 16 004 Kg = 40,8 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 5,4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,15
   Metacentric height 5,7 ft / 1,7 m
   Roll period: 16,2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,56
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,13

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,585 / 0,590
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,50 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26,27 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 62
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25,00 %,  24,00 ft / 7,32 m,  21,00 ft / 6,40 m
      - Forward deck:   25,00 %,  21,00 ft / 6,40 m,  19,00 ft / 5,79 m
      - Aft deck:   25,00 %,  19,00 ft / 5,79 m,  19,00 ft / 5,79 m
      - Quarter deck:   25,00 %,  19,00 ft / 5,79 m,  19,00 ft / 5,79 m
      - Average freeboard:      20,05 ft / 6,11 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 82,5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 174,9 %
   Waterplane Area: 45 781 Square feet or 4 253 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 161 lbs/sq ft or 787 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,99
      - Longitudinal: 1,09
      - Overall: 1,00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

18t for 3 TTx450+3 reloads
100t for extra pumps installations
100t for extra air ventillation
125t for fire control
100t for Admiral staff
25t for Marconi
10t for Marconi
100t reserved

[snip]

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
      1,20" / 30 mm   428,00 ft / 130,45 m   22,70 ft / 6,92 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 84,00 ft / 25,60 m

The option for the TDS you have here is broken and does not work correctly in SS3. It takes this weight out of hull, and can go a high as you want it without impacting strength at all. Therefore, you need to use the Additional Bulkheads option on all TDS regardless of the intended layout to get it to apply correctly.

[Kaiser Kirk]

Kilkis - Lemnos, Byzantine Empire BB3 laid down 1900
Armament:
      6 - 13,50" / 343 mm 40,0 cal guns - 1 179,03lbs / 534,80kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority forward

Hi, there is a problem here. Looking at your encyclopedia, there is one there as well.

On the naval artillery chart, a 13.5"/343mm gun is a less than 14" gun.
But the 40 caliber category is yellow -
https://www.navalism.org/index.php/topic,7028.0.html

As you can see there is no yellow in the 14" cell until the 1900 tech.

A 13.5"/40 caliber weapon is a 1900 tech weapon.
It takes 2 years to develop the tech, and two years to develop the gun.
As such, you shouldn't be mounting the gun until 1904, not 1900.


Looking at your encyclopedia, the BB1- BB3 classes all have that problem.
Good news though- a 14"/35 weighs less than a 13.5"/40, so you can upgun if you want. and still only have to very minimally change things.

[Kaiser Kirk]

Originaly, Jef built:
AC1 with 10x191
AC2-13740t-3T2x234-24kts-LD in 1900
AC3-14860t-4T2x254-25kts-LD in 1904
AC4-16000t-4T2x254-27kts-LD in 1908

Wicklow was not a problem for Byzantine (Northem Kingdom is not in Mediterranee).
But with 1910 Roman BC projects, it's different...
As I could see, AC4 LD in 1908 is obsolete with 1910-26000t Roman project.

To be coherent in the Plan, I think update my Plan & use 4T2x12" on AC4 & later, 13"5 on AC5
=> AC4 could be a kind of light Derfflinger.

... Or I could made no update & built more submarines   ;D  ;D  ;D

Interesting, I have 8 older ACs and 6 newer, so your ACs are newer than many of mine, all are larger and as fast or faster than my comparable class. The main gun progression is quite close.
I thought I would be leading the AC race, but it looks like I am not.

As for "update the plan".
Each of us developed our plans in some isolation.
"Updating the plan" is what we'll be doing in our 1910 onwards turns.
Going back and updating the prebuild plan is not appropriate.

[Jefgte]

A 13.5"/40 caliber weapon is a 1900 tech weapon.
It takes 2 years to develop the tech, and two years to develop the gun.
As such, you shouldn't be mounting the gun until 1904, not 1900.

BB2-BB3-BB4...
had new 13"5/40
I must pay "refit" for these new guns.

[snip]

Jef, can I ask that you get your pre-start builds finished and posted in your ency within one weeks time? Just so we avoid any further confusion.

[Jefgte]

Jef, can I ask that you get your pre-start builds finished and posted in your ency within one weeks time? Just so we avoid any further confusion.

I work to finish quickly all pre-start Warships.
Some Auxiliaries are nearly finish.
I have made no work about army, airships, population & economie.

Jef

[Jefgte]

Rework AC4 with Snip modifs  ;)

=> 90mm for upper belt & Additionnal Bulkheads

=>Displacement 16350t was 16000t

AC4, Byzantine Empire AC4 laid down 1908

Displacement:
   16 350 t light; 17 090 t standard; 18 812 t normal; 20 189 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (595,00 ft / 595,00 ft) x 85,00 ft x (22,64 / 23,97 ft)
   (181,36 m / 181,36 m) x 25,91 m  x (6,90 / 7,31 m)

Armament:
      8 - 10,00" / 254 mm 45,0 cal guns - 504,26lbs / 228,73kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1908 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
      10 - 6,00" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,93lbs / 49,41kg shells, 160 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1908 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 4,00" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 32,28lbs / 14,64kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1908 Model
     12 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 - 0,30" / 7,7 mm 90,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 3 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1908 Model
     4 x 2 row twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5 511 lbs / 2 500 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7,88" / 200 mm   380,00 ft / 115,82 m   9,00 ft / 2,74 m
   Ends:   1,97" / 50 mm   215,00 ft / 65,53 m   8,00 ft / 2,44 m
   Upper:   3,55" / 90 mm   380,00 ft / 115,82 m   13,10 ft / 3,99 m
     Main Belt covers 98 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      0,98" / 25 mm   380,00 ft / 115,82 m   21,00 ft / 6,40 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 77,00 ft / 23,47 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9,45" / 240 mm   2,97" / 75 mm      7,88" / 200 mm
   2nd:   1,97" / 50 mm   1,97" / 50 mm      1,97" / 50 mm
   3rd:   0,80" / 20 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1,77" / 45 mm
   Forecastle: 1,20" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1,20" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9,45" / 240 mm, Aft 7,88" / 200 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 68 800 shp / 51 324 Kw = 27,01 kts
   Range 6 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3 099 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   803 - 1 044

Cost:
   £1,550 million / $6,198 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 119 tons, 5,9 %
      - Guns: 1 119 tons, 5,9 %
   Armour: 4 695 tons, 25,0 %
      - Belts: 2 053 tons, 10,9 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 289 tons, 1,5 %
      - Armament: 1 017 tons, 5,4 %
      - Armour Deck: 1 072 tons, 5,7 %
      - Conning Towers: 264 tons, 1,4 %
   Machinery: 3 784 tons, 20,1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6 318 tons, 33,6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 462 tons, 13,1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 434 tons, 2,3 %
      - Hull below water: 18 tons
      - Hull above water: 83 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 183 tons
      - Above deck: 150 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     23 486 lbs / 10 653 Kg = 47,0 x 10,0 " / 254 mm shells or 3,5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,17
   Metacentric height 5,3 ft / 1,6 m
   Roll period: 15,5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,43
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,11

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,575 / 0,583
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24,39 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 64
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25,00 %,  24,50 ft / 7,47 m,  20,50 ft / 6,25 m
      - Forward deck:   25,00 %,  20,50 ft / 6,25 m,  18,50 ft / 5,64 m
      - Aft deck:   25,00 %,  18,50 ft / 5,64 m,  18,50 ft / 5,64 m
      - Quarter deck:   25,00 %,  18,50 ft / 5,64 m,  18,50 ft / 5,64 m
      - Average freeboard:      19,65 ft / 5,99 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 97,4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 161,5 %
   Waterplane Area: 36 134 Square feet or 3 357 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 139 lbs/sq ft or 677 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,97
      - Longitudinal: 1,30
      - Overall: 1,00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

18t for 3 TTx450+3 reloads
83t for extra pumps installations
83t for extra air ventillation
125t for fire control
100t for Admiral staff
25t for Marconi

[Jefgte]

last calculation give:

BP refit	3,846
BP	510 max
BP x	507,603
BP + refit	511,449

With 511,449BP, I'm over the Budget by 1,449BP => 1500t => I delete 4x500t TGB LD in 1897

[Jefgte]

Total TGB =127 was 131

Final calculation:

BP refit	3,798
BP	510 max
BP x	506,101
BP + refit	509,899

509,899 for 510 => That's OK
Remainder for 1910H1 => 0.101BP

[Jefgte]

Official list of Byzantine Empire Battleships

BB5	Ramses II - Seti I	25700t	1909	4T3x343+8x191+12x102+4TTx533	B340-120-T340-D80	21,1Kts	6000nm-12kts
BB4	Pericles – Constantin	19250t	1906	4T2x343+8x191+12x102+4TTx450	B320-120-T340-D75	21,1Kts	6000nm-10kts
	Alexander – Leonidas		1905
BB3	Kilkis – Lemnos	19420t	1900	3T2x343+8x191+12x102+4TTx450	B300-120-T340-D65	21kts	4500nm-10kts
BB2	Barbarossa – Mehmed II	15650t	1896	2T2x343+10T1x234+10x102+4TTx450	B300-120-T340-D65	18kts	4500nm-10kts
	Suleiman I – Abdulhamid Kahn		1896
BB1	Abdul Kadir – Justinianius	10950t	1892	2T2x343+8x191+8x76+4TTx380	B250-120-T275-D65	18kts	4500nm-10kts
CBB1	Kurnaz – Kalin	7850t	1890	2T2x305+10x120+4TTx380	B210-90-T230-D60	18,1Kts	4500nm-10kts
	Aligan – Cesur

Official list of Byzantine Empire Armored Cruisers

AC4	Damas – Darea	16350t	1908	4T2x254+10x152+12x102+4TTx450	B200-90-T240-D45	27kts	6000nm-12kts
AC3	Ceyhan – Canakkale	14860t	1904	4T2x254+8x152+8x102+4TTx450	B200-90-T240-D45	25kts	5000nm-10kts
AC2	Bourgas – Bapha	13740t	1900	3T2x234+8x152+8x76,2+4TTx450	B130-90-T140-D32	24kts	4500nm-10kts
AC1	Atokos – Arkoudi	8700t	1895	10x191+8x76+3TTx450	B140-50-T100-D32	21kts	4500nm-10kts
	Antikithiria – Andimilos
	Astipalea – Amorgos

[Jefgte]

Quote from: Jefgte on September 05, 2017, 06:29:53 PM

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
      1,20" / 30 mm   428,00 ft / 130,45 m   22,70 ft / 6,92 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 84,00 ft / 25,60 m

From Snip

The option for the TDS you have here is broken and does not work correctly in SS3. It takes this weight out of hull, and can go a high as you want it without impacting strength at all. Therefore, you need to use the Additional Bulkheads option on all TDS regardless of the intended layout to get it to apply correctly.

BB5 class, Ramses II & Seti I are with Strengthened structural bulkheads
I must re SS them with Additionnal Bulkheads.

[Jefgte]

I hope this is the ultimate SS adjustment in the prestart
... with additionnal bulkhead, displacement is now 26000t, was 25700t

Ramses II - Seti I, Byzantine Empire BB5 laid down 1909

Displacement:
   26 000 t light; 27 607 t standard; 29 782 t normal; 31 521 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (623,36 ft / 623,36 ft) x 100,00 ft x (26,71 / 28,02 ft)
   (190,00 m / 190,00 m) x 30,48 m  x (8,14 / 8,54 m)

Armament:
      6 - 13,50" / 343 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1 240,67lbs / 562,76kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1909 Model
     2 x Triple mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread
      1 raised mount
      6 - 13,50" / 343 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1 240,67lbs / 562,76kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1909 Model
     2 x Triple mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread
      8 - 7,50" / 191 mm 45,0 cal guns - 212,75lbs / 96,50kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1909 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 4,00" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 32,28lbs / 14,64kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1909 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
      4 - 0,30" / 7,7 mm 90,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1909 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 16 977 lbs / 7 701 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13,4" / 340 mm   406,00 ft / 123,75 m   10,00 ft / 3,05 m
   Ends:   4,72" / 120 mm   196,00 ft / 59,74 m   10,00 ft / 3,05 m
     21,36 ft / 6,51 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5,50" / 140 mm   406,00 ft / 123,75 m   12,60 ft / 3,84 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      1,07" / 27 mm   406,00 ft / 123,75 m   24,71 ft / 7,53 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 92,00 ft / 28,04 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13,4" / 340 mm   5,91" / 150 mm      11,8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   13,4" / 340 mm   5,91" / 150 mm      11,8" / 300 mm
   3rd:   5,92" / 150 mm   3,95" / 100 mm      4,72" / 120 mm
   4th:   1,57" / 40 mm         -               -
   5th:   0,50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 3,15" / 80 mm
   Forecastle: 1,57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1,57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13,39" / 340 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 35 000 shp / 26 110 Kw = 21,00 kts
   Range 6 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3 914 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   1 133 - 1 473

Cost:
   £2,640 million / $10,560 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2 867 tons, 9,6 %
      - Guns: 2 867 tons, 9,6 %
   Armour: 9 496 tons, 31,9 %
      - Belts: 3 970 tons, 13,3 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 397 tons, 1,3 %
      - Armament: 2 371 tons, 8,0 %
      - Armour Deck: 2 480 tons, 8,3 %
      - Conning Tower: 277 tons, 0,9 %
   Machinery: 1 733 tons, 5,8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 11 145 tons, 37,4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3 782 tons, 12,7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 759 tons, 2,5 %
      - Hull below water: 154 tons
      - Hull above water: 180 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 150 tons
      - Above deck: 275 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     45 564 lbs / 20 667 Kg = 37,0 x 13,5 " / 343 mm shells or 7,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,23
   Metacentric height 7,3 ft / 2,2 m
   Roll period: 15,6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,64
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,35

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,626 / 0,632
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,23 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24,97 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 42 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 52
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   18,00 %,  24,05 ft / 7,33 m,  20,65 ft / 6,29 m
      - Forward deck:   52,00 %,  20,65 ft / 6,29 m,  19,85 ft / 6,05 m
      - Aft deck:   13,00 %,  11,85 ft / 3,61 m,  11,85 ft / 3,61 m
      - Quarter deck:   17,00 %,  11,85 ft / 3,61 m,  11,85 ft / 3,61 m
      - Average freeboard:      18,05 ft / 5,50 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 71,7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 145,8 %
   Waterplane Area: 46 708 Square feet or 4 339 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 201 lbs/sq ft or 981 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,95
      - Longitudinal: 1,50
      - Overall: 1,00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Misc weight:
24t for 4 sub TT x 21''  with 4 reloads.
130t for climat control
130t for additionnal pumps installation
100t for admiral staff
250t for top fire control
25t for Marconi
100t reserved

[Kaiser Kirk]

Jef,

So I'm starting to really look at my neighbor's ships.
I was looking at your final battleships for the first time.

Your early battleship main batteries are 5 calibers too long.
The Alexander and Ramses II classes are fine.
Though Ramses II  needs +37 tons allocated to fire control.

1890 - CBB1 -4 - 12,00" / 305 mm 40,0 cal guns
1892 - BB1 - 4 - 13,50" / 343 mm 40,0 cal guns
1896 - BB2 -  4 - 13,50" / 343 mm 40,0 cal guns


Looking at my ships, I made the error with my Chariot class, with 1899 300/45 guns.  I must have misread the chart.

The chart in research shows when you can start researching the gun tech: https://www.navalism.org/index.php/topic,7028.0.html
The yellow highlight is the 40 caliber.
The 1895 tech allows guns up to 305mm/40.   It takes 2 years to research the tech. Then 2 years to research the gun.  A 305mm/40 is available at the earliest in 1899.
A 343mm / 40 caliber is a 1900 tech, the earliest available is 1904.



This is not a huge issue,
I do not care if we ignore it and just note that those perform like /35 weapons,
or if you revise your designs to shorten the guns, compensating by increasing bore size (same weight of gun/ammo) adding more engines or armor or misc weight.
Alternately, I don't mind if you shorten the guns,  lower the BC a little to get down to 1.0 comp hull, and then reallocate that tonnage elsewhere - maybe an additional cruiser or destroyers.