Dutch Ships 1900 on

[Logi]

What is the design rationale for the thin deck ends?
Most hits to the deck will be at a very shallow angle during this period but it feels like 1" should be easily penetrated. Of course, some historical designs did have a similar armor scheme...

NAaB seems to think that 1" deck armor is penetrable from 6,500 yds out, but that's a 3 degrees angle of fall and it probably doesn't account for the possibility of ricochet.

[Tanthalas]

I just copied the armour from OTL ships, its not exactly IMHO ideal but it is historicly acurate.

[Tanthalas]

made a few changes, traded some freeboard for stability and recoil reduction. and over all increased armour protection.  Armour is now on par with anything currently being proposed by anyone else.  Freeboard is lowish IMHO but I more or less stole it from Derfflinger, which was by any standard wildly successful OTL.  Layout is still the same, so a very traditional aBXy (would have preferred to go like Derfflinger aBQy but there isn't enough room IMHO).  As always opinions are welcome, this is likely the production version baring some glaring error.

AF-03-1904-2, Unified Netherlands Armoured Frigate laid down 1904 (Engine 1905)

Displacement:
   15,000 t light; 15,747 t standard; 16,957 t normal; 17,925 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (520.00 ft / 520.00 ft) x 77.00 ft x (29.00 / 30.26 ft)
   (158.50 m / 158.50 m) x 23.47 m  x (8.84 / 9.22 m)

Armament:
      8 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 671.18lbs / 304.44kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
      12 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.00lbs / 13.61kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      4 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.00lbs / 13.61kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, aft evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 7,050 lbs / 3,198 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   338.00 ft / 103.02 m   14.50 ft / 4.42 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   181.98 ft / 55.47 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   6.00" / 152 mm   298.00 ft / 90.83 m   7.50 ft / 2.29 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      9.00" / 229 mm
   2nd:   6.00" / 152 mm         -               -
   3rd:   4.00" / 102 mm         -               -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.50" / 64 mm
   Forecastle: 1.50" / 38 mm  Quarter deck: 1.50" / 38 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 11.00" / 279 mm, Aft 6.00" / 152 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, reciprocating cruising steam engines and steam turbines
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 24,547 ihp / 18,312 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 7,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,177 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   742 - 965

Cost:
   £1.473 million / $5.893 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,252 tons, 7.4 %
      - Guns: 1,252 tons, 7.4 %
   Armour: 5,844 tons, 34.5 %
      - Belts: 3,180 tons, 18.8 %
      - Armament: 1,260 tons, 7.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,163 tons, 6.9 %
      - Conning Towers: 242 tons, 1.4 %
   Machinery: 2,572 tons, 15.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,205 tons, 30.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,957 tons, 11.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 126 tons, 0.7 %
      - Hull below water: 30 tons
      - Hull above water: 30 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 66 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     17,897 lbs / 8,118 Kg = 26.9 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 2.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 4.0 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 16.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.63
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.36

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.511 / 0.518
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.75 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.80 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 52
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:      15.58 ft / 4.75 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 81.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 99.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 26,951 Square feet or 2,504 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 144 lbs/sq ft or 705 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.67
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[The Rock Doctor]

You might want to add enough misc. weight to add Fire Control later on.  It could be space for marines or something in the interim.

[Tanthalas]

As rock pointed out I need to clear a bit more misc. weight for a future FC install, but other than that it is more or less final (I will proly trim the main belt a few feet in the horizontal axis).  so without further delay or grandstanding, here is the drawing you all knew was coming.  Ended up a bit "modern" looking IMHO but overall I like it.


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[Jefgte]

I like it too. Elegant battleship.

Jef  ;)

[Tanthalas]

Logi's AC got me thinking what a potential dutch response might look like.  While I don't have the main guns, the ship came out rather well IMHO so I decided to go ahead and post it to see opinions.  Personaly I don't think I can afford to build it but it might give someone considering ACs an idea.  Layout is aBqy (rather like lion honestly) and I feel it would be too slow at 22.4 knots but opinions are as always welcome.

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1904 (Engine 1905)

Displacement:
   7,000 t light; 7,363 t standard; 8,540 t normal; 9,482 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (545.00 ft / 545.00 ft) x 58.00 ft x (18.50 / 20.05 ft)
   (166.12 m / 166.12 m) x 17.68 m  x (5.64 / 6.11 m)

Armament:
      8 - 8.00" / 203 mm 50.0 cal guns - 200.00lbs / 90.72kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      1 raised mount
      7 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1904 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
     1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck centre
      1 raised mount
      Weight of broadside 2,300 lbs / 1,043 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5.00" / 127 mm   327.00 ft / 99.67 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   2.00" / 51 mm   217.98 ft / 66.44 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   1.50" / 38 mm      4.00" / 102 mm
   2nd:   2.00" / 51 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.25" / 32 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 5.00" / 127 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 20,000 shp / 14,920 Kw = 22.40 kts
   Range 8,171nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,119 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   443 - 577

Cost:
   £0.774 million / $3.096 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 743 tons, 8.7 %
      - Guns: 743 tons, 8.7 %
   Armour: 1,710 tons, 20.0 %
      - Belts: 846 tons, 9.9 %
      - Armament: 346 tons, 4.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 473 tons, 5.5 %
      - Conning Tower: 45 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 1,650 tons, 19.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,860 tons, 33.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,540 tons, 18.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 38 tons, 0.4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 38 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     9,754 lbs / 4,424 Kg = 38.1 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 1.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
   Metacentric height 2.8 ft / 0.9 m
   Roll period: 14.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.60
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.35

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.511 / 0.524
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.40 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.35 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 40 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 52
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:      15.60 ft / 4.75 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 94.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 132.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 21,281 Square feet or 1,977 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 102 lbs/sq ft or 496 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.99
      - Longitudinal: 1.03
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Logi]

I think it would be a fairly questionable response considering the Japanese AC would be laid down in 1904/H2 - a response should be laid down after what it is responding to. In addition, the Netherlands doesn't even have a 8"/50 gun. Considering you didn't start researching a gun even in 1903/H2, I would expect the earliest the Netherlands can have such a gun would be 1906/H1.

Also, I think your main belt is off in length by a few feet.

Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

I'm a little curious if the ship would fit the guns you want. After all, you have an additional non-superfiring 8"/50 gun as well as a 6"/45 superfiring gun on centerline. In just gun barrel length, that's an extra 56 ft in just barrel lengths, not even counting turret space and space to rotate the turrets. Your design is only 44 ft longer so your ship will be more cramped than mine. If it does indeed fit I might look to see if I can decrease my own design's length (it saves composite strength).

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From what I've seen, the Dutch main battle line is 21 kn. This cruiser has a top speed of 22.4 kn, only 1.4 kn more, which leads to questions as to how you intend it to operate. You could attach it to the battle line but that would be a waste of it's speed and also it doesn't have quite the armor to stand in such a line. If you detach it as a fast wing, it doesn't have quite the speed margin over the main battle line to do maneuvers that the battle line couldn't do. In other words, it's place in the Dutch navy seems to be neither here nor there.

Edit: I've just noticed your 8" guns run with extraordinary lightweight rounds. Even 8"/30 rounds from 1883 ran 260lb shells, 30% heavier than your 200 lb rounds. The shell weight is the same as the British 7.5"/50.... are you sure you didn't mean to put 7.5" guns on the ship instead of 8" guns?

[Tanthalas]

I stole the shell weight from the British 7.5 (I had the data handy and figured since I didn't have one anyway it was close enough), your question about the centerline 6" it is SF over the Y turret (not mounted on it but just forward of it).  The armour belt is a minor issue (apparently the sim got slightly screwed up when I saved it, and I forgot to check everything), also Logi I think everything would fit as it is something like 43' longer than yours.  The speed issue is honestly my biggest concern, Honestly I just don't think I can afford to build it, it was just a blue sky proposal, I don't intend to draw it or anything if I build a "AC" it will proly have 6X11/45... I have sorta an ongoing internal argument about that atm, it goes somthing like this

Me: "I should build a battlecruiser"
Me2: "You hate battlecruisers"
Me: "Yeah but someone has to build them, and it could be fun"
Me2: "Let someone else do it, Continents don't Dodge"
me: "But But But FAST WING"

at which point I usualy break down and turn whatever "fast battleship" I was working on into a slow slugger...

[Tanthalas]

this is definitely a "Blue Sky" proposal, although it is relatively close to what I would consider a "Scout"... Hence why I don't think I can afford to build battle cruisers... possibly one for every 3 BB's, it would be cheaper for what it's worth.

AFX-1903, Unified Netherlands Armoured Frigate laid down 1904 (Engine 1905)

Displacement:
   13,500 t light; 14,129 t standard; 15,273 t normal; 16,189 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (520.00 ft / 520.00 ft) x 75.00 ft x (27.00 / 28.22 ft)
   (158.50 m / 158.50 m) x 22.86 m  x (8.23 / 8.60 m)

Armament:
      6 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 666.00lbs / 302.09kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      10 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, aft evenly spread
      16 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.00lbs / 13.61kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5,476 lbs / 2,484 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   426.00 ft / 129.84 m   7.00 ft / 2.13 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm     94.00 ft / 28.65 m   7.00 ft / 2.13 m
     Main Belt covers 126 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.50" / 64 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.00" / 254 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 32,511 ihp / 24,253 Kw = 23.00 kts
   Range 7,044nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,060 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   686 - 893

Cost:
   £1.578 million / $6.313 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,010 tons, 6.6 %
      - Guns: 1,010 tons, 6.6 %
   Armour: 2,897 tons, 19.0 %
      - Belts: 923 tons, 6.0 %
      - Armament: 758 tons, 5.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,084 tons, 7.1 %
      - Conning Tower: 133 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 4,665 tons, 30.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,610 tons, 30.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,773 tons, 11.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 318 tons, 2.1 %
      - On freeboard deck: 318 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     9,091 lbs / 4,124 Kg = 13.7 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.24
   Metacentric height 4.8 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 14.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.48
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.30

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.508 / 0.515
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.93 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.80 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:      15.58 ft / 4.75 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 125.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 104.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 26,168 Square feet or 2,431 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 91 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 132 lbs/sq ft or 646 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.53
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Tanthalas]

And finally the "Big" version... 16K tons light, 24 knots (YAY fast enough to scout for me), the armour is Lightish, but for an aditional 1K tons light I get 8X11" @ 24 knots (with a lot of imo questionable trade offs).  This version is actually likely to get serious consideration.  My plan was originally to build 3 of the 21 knot BB's, now I am considering 2 BB's and one "AC" (which is honestly a more reasonable plan).  Layout is sorta like Derfflinger (so aB...Q.y, and I no haven't even started drawing it yet).

As always opinions welcome (I know its a bit light on Misc weight though, I will proly decide to add a couple hundred tons to it).

Nike, Unified Netherlands Armoured Frigate laid down 1904 (Engine 1905)

Displacement:
   16,000 t light; 16,675 t standard; 17,943 t normal; 18,957 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (550.00 ft / 550.00 ft) x 75.00 ft x (30.00 / 31.28 ft)
   (167.64 m / 167.64 m) x 22.86 m  x (9.14 / 9.54 m)

Armament:
      8 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 666.00lbs / 302.09kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
     1 x Twin mount layout not set
      1 raised mount
      12 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.00lbs / 13.61kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      8 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.00lbs / 13.61kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, aft evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5,928 lbs / 2,689 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   478.00 ft / 145.69 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm     72.00 ft / 21.95 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   275.00 ft / 83.82 m   6.00 ft / 1.83 m
     Main Belt covers 134 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      7.00" / 178 mm
   2nd:   2.00" / 51 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.25" / 6 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 0.75" / 19 mm  Quarter deck: 0.75" / 19 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9.00" / 229 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 41,334 ihp / 30,835 Kw = 24.00 kts
   Range 7,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,282 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   774 - 1,007

Cost:
   £1.923 million / $7.692 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,092 tons, 6.1 %
      - Guns: 1,092 tons, 6.1 %
   Armour: 3,399 tons, 18.9 %
      - Belts: 1,632 tons, 9.1 %
      - Armament: 722 tons, 4.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 912 tons, 5.1 %
      - Conning Tower: 133 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 5,931 tons, 33.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,400 tons, 30.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,943 tons, 10.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 177 tons, 1.0 %
      - On freeboard deck: 177 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     8,626 lbs / 3,913 Kg = 13.0 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
   Metacentric height 4.0 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 15.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.63
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.17

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.507 / 0.514
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.33 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.45 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 62
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:      15.58 ft / 4.75 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 133.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 98.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 27,672 Square feet or 2,571 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 87 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 140 lbs/sq ft or 683 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.46
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

*Edit* I put in the wrong report LOL (hazard of having 3 ships open at once I suppose)

[Walter]

so aB...Q.y, and I no haven't even started drawing it yet

Here's your hull to start with. ;D

[Logi]

One of your turrets isn't placed.

8 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 666.00lbs / 302.09kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
     1 x Twin mount layout not set

Your seakeeping is at 1.17 so I would recommend trying to get it to 1.21

I still feel like the deck is way too thin at 19mm....

[Tanthalas]

good catch logi, I missed that in all my edits.  Note I don't disagree really about the deck armour, it is just what I can get effectively (like I said some trade offs I find questionable even if OTL ships had similar armour).

[Tanthalas]

Should fix all the issues, had to lower the Q turret for the tonnage for the FC install, should still fit and it let me improve the deck armour a bit, and improved the sea boat ratings. Layout will now resemble more like Lion, but all in all a tidy little BC.

Nike, Unified Netherlands Armoured Frigate laid down 1904 (Engine 1905)

Displacement:
   16,000 t light; 16,675 t standard; 17,943 t normal; 18,957 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (550.00 ft / 550.00 ft) x 75.00 ft x (30.00 / 31.28 ft)
   (167.64 m / 167.64 m) x 22.86 m  x (9.14 / 9.54 m)

Armament:
      8 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 665.99lbs / 302.09kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
     1 x Twin mount on centreline, aft deck centre
      12 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.00lbs / 13.61kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.00lbs / 13.61kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, aft evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5,928 lbs / 2,689 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   478.00 ft / 145.69 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm     72.00 ft / 21.95 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   275.00 ft / 83.82 m   6.00 ft / 1.83 m
     Main Belt covers 134 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      7.00" / 178 mm
   2nd:   2.00" / 51 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.25" / 6 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.50" / 38 mm  Quarter deck: 1.50" / 38 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9.00" / 229 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 41,334 ihp / 30,835 Kw = 24.00 kts
   Range 7,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,282 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   774 - 1,007

Cost:
   £1.923 million / $7.692 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,092 tons, 6.1 %
      - Guns: 1,092 tons, 6.1 %
   Armour: 3,514 tons, 19.6 %
      - Belts: 1,632 tons, 9.1 %
      - Armament: 765 tons, 4.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 984 tons, 5.5 %
      - Conning Tower: 133 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 5,931 tons, 33.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,158 tons, 28.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,943 tons, 10.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 305 tons, 1.7 %
      - On freeboard deck: 305 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     8,793 lbs / 3,988 Kg = 13.2 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.16
   Metacentric height 4.3 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 15.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.54
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.21

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.507 / 0.514
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.33 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.45 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 62
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:      15.58 ft / 4.75 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 133.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 98.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 27,672 Square feet or 2,571 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 86 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 134 lbs/sq ft or 655 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.46
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

305 tons Misc. Weight
25 tons Wireless
30 tons Top Secret mind blowing stuff (aka not sure yet)
250 tons Call it a Reserve for the Moment (realisticly it is the FC reserve)