Dutch Ships 1900 on

[Tanthalas]

Don't you have the four funnels to prevent cross deck fire?

Yeah, that was part of it, but a refit could make cross deck fire possible in that case (hypothetically anyway) but it is a thought, would be up to the GMs I suppose.  If they said the mass stacks were good enough I would stagger them, just for continuity

@jef thanks man, the fact that the drawing came out soooo nice is honestly what made me want to build her, definitely a greyhound of the seas, the armour is crap but she is fast and sexy with damn nice firepower.  Definetly a ship the rest of the world would have to take notice of.

[Tanthalas]

this is another variation on the "Maximum" mixed propulsion idea.  This one is AQY and would likely fit, better all around armour with the same speed as the preceding design (22 knots) but more range and less misc. weight, also ditched the 6" secondaries and upgraded the 3" to 4" essentially it is a budget dreadnought... While I think it is legal, unlike the preceding proposal I feel that this one is a violation of the spirit of the rules even though it is clearly legal.  Personally I would prefer to build the one with wing turrets :p but that's not my call.  As always opinions welcomed, and given the latest IJN proposal I may think even bigger than I currently am, although I am not sure I could justify putting that much tonnage into a single hull yet.

AFX-1903, Unified Netherlands Armoured Frigate laid down 1903 (Engine 1905)

Displacement:
   13,000 t light; 13,561 t standard; 14,706 t normal; 15,622 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (532.00 ft / 528.00 ft) x 74.00 ft x (26.00 / 27.22 ft)
   (162.15 m / 160.93 m) x 22.56 m  x (7.92 / 8.30 m)

Armament:
      6 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 665.99lbs / 302.09kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1903 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority aft
      20 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 40.00lbs / 18.14kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1903 Model
     18 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 raised mounts
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4,796 lbs / 2,175 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   363.30 ft / 110.73 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   155.68 ft / 47.45 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
     9.02 ft / 2.75 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   363.30 ft / 110.73 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 106 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.00" / 254 mm, Aft 3.00" / 76 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, reciprocating cruising steam engines and steam turbines
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 26,600 ihp / 19,844 Kw = 22.00 kts
   Range 7,189nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,061 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   667 - 868

Cost:
   £1.253 million / $5.010 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 848 tons, 5.8 %
      - Guns: 848 tons, 5.8 %
   Armour: 4,486 tons, 30.5 %
      - Belts: 2,254 tons, 15.3 %
      - Armament: 748 tons, 5.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,315 tons, 8.9 %
      - Conning Towers: 168 tons, 1.1 %
   Machinery: 2,787 tons, 19.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,689 tons, 31.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,706 tons, 11.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 191 tons, 1.3 %
      - Hull above water: 191 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     17,589 lbs / 7,978 Kg = 26.4 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 2.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.28
   Metacentric height 4.9 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 14.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.48
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.73

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.507 / 0.514
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.14 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.98 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 43
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -17.85 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  29.50 ft / 8.99 m,  27.00 ft / 8.23 m
      - Forward deck:   15.00 %,  27.00 ft / 8.23 m,  24.50 ft / 7.47 m
      - Aft deck:   55.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Average freeboard:      18.71 ft / 5.70 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 88.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 129.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 26,188 Square feet or 2,433 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 127 lbs/sq ft or 620 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.78
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Tanthalas]

and finally taking somewhat of the IJN approach just plain bigger in every respect, but I ditched the mixed propulsion on this version.  better Armour, Faster, Bigger Basically this version is better in every possible way (ok ok so it costs a bit more).  Honestly I personally prefer the lighter mixed propulsion version but I tend to get attached to ideas, and the lighter weight one is more my style... On this one to be totally honest I am not sure I couldn't refit it to have cross deck fire if I staggered the turrets ala VDT or the Is (which given its size would be very very tempting).

AFX-1903, Unified Netherlands Armoured Frigate laid down 1903 (Engine 1905)

Displacement:
   18,200 t light; 18,963 t standard; 20,340 t normal; 21,442 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (571.00 ft / 567.00 ft) x 78.00 ft x (30.00 / 31.26 ft)
   (174.04 m / 172.82 m) x 23.77 m  x (9.14 / 9.53 m)

Armament:
      8 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 665.99lbs / 302.09kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1903 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
     2 x Twin mounts on sides, aft deck forward
      8 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1903 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, aft evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      20 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 14.00lbs / 6.35kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1903 Model
     18 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 raised mounts
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 6,408 lbs / 2,907 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   445.00 ft / 135.64 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   122.00 ft / 37.19 m   10.60 ft / 3.23 m
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   401.00 ft / 122.22 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 121 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      7.00" / 178 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.00" / 254 mm, Aft 3.00" / 76 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 41,186 ihp / 30,725 Kw = 23.50 kts
   Range 7,039nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,479 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   851 - 1,107

Cost:
   £2.021 million / $8.083 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,176 tons, 5.8 %
      - Guns: 1,176 tons, 5.8 %
   Armour: 5,196 tons, 25.5 %
      - Belts: 2,592 tons, 12.7 %
      - Armament: 865 tons, 4.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,531 tons, 7.5 %
      - Conning Towers: 209 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 5,910 tons, 29.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,634 tons, 27.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,140 tons, 10.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 284 tons, 1.4 %
      - Hull above water: 284 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     13,844 lbs / 6,279 Kg = 20.8 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 1.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.30
   Metacentric height 5.5 ft / 1.7 m
   Roll period: 14.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.46
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.52

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.537 / 0.543
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.27 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.81 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -17.85 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  29.50 ft / 8.99 m,  27.00 ft / 8.23 m
      - Forward deck:   15.00 %,  27.00 ft / 8.23 m,  24.50 ft / 7.47 m
      - Aft deck:   55.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Average freeboard:      18.71 ft / 5.70 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 120.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 118.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 30,483 Square feet or 2,832 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 90 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 132 lbs/sq ft or 644 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.62
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Tanthalas]

and just for fun a 25 knot version with realistic OTL armour (belt height was stolen directly from Refit & Repair)

AF-1903 25 knot, Unified Netherlands Armoured Frigate laid down 1903 (Engine 1905)

Displacement:
   18,337 t light; 19,017 t standard; 20,700 t normal; 22,046 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (595.00 ft / 595.00 ft) x 67.50 ft x (30.00 / 31.60 ft)
   (181.36 m / 181.36 m) x 20.57 m  x (9.14 / 9.63 m)

Armament:
      6 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 666.00lbs / 302.09kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1903 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority aft
      20 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 40.00lbs / 18.14kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1903 Model
     14 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
     6 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      6 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4,796 lbs / 2,175 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   522.00 ft / 159.11 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm     73.00 ft / 22.25 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   416.00 ft / 126.80 m   10.50 ft / 3.20 m
     Main Belt covers 135 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      7.00" / 178 mm
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.50" / 64 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.00" / 254 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 52,171 ihp / 38,920 Kw = 25.00 kts
   Range 8,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,029 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   862 - 1,121

Cost:
   £2.097 million / $8.389 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 834 tons, 4.0 %
      - Guns: 834 tons, 4.0 %
   Armour: 4,381 tons, 21.2 %
      - Belts: 2,295 tons, 11.1 %
      - Armament: 680 tons, 3.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,243 tons, 6.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 162 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 7,486 tons, 36.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,336 tons, 25.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,363 tons, 11.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1.4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 300 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10,440 lbs / 4,735 Kg = 15.7 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.17
   Metacentric height 3.7 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 14.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.61
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.36

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     an extended bulbous bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.601 / 0.608
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.81 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24.39 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  29.50 ft / 8.99 m,  27.00 ft / 8.23 m
      - Forward deck:   15.00 %,  27.00 ft / 8.23 m,  24.50 ft / 7.47 m
      - Aft deck:   55.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Average freeboard:      18.71 ft / 5.70 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 134.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 112.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 29,410 Square feet or 2,732 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 88 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 120 lbs/sq ft or 586 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.36
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Jefgte]

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (571.00 ft / 567.00 ft) x 78.00 ft x (30.00 / 31.26 ft)
   (174.04 m / 172.82 m) x 23.77 m  x (9.14 / 9.53 m)

Did you have SW or DD to built a 571ft hull ?

Jef  ;)

[Tanthalas]

I have exactly 1 DD that can handle that long a hull, not that it matters the young eng. who proposed the wing turret ships has been removed from his office and sent to Congo where he cant do any additional harm (AKA I got told nope on wing turrets so I had to come up with a new interesting idea atm I am leaning toward a Dreadnought layout sans wing turrets for them).

[Walter]

Looking around, I can't find it so which 1902 BB/AC tech are the Dutch researching anyway? The all-big-gun ship with wing turrets or the all-big-gun ship with superfiring turrets (restricted axial firing arcs)?

[Tanthalas]

Wings initially, I will have to do the other one eventually but my first "Dreads" will use wings.

[Walter]

... so what's the problem with the wing turrets? Unless of course you want to start building it before you completed researching the tech. I'd push it to 1904 when your tech can become available. One year should not matter that much I would think. Might even give you a bit of time to add/expand a slip/dock or two so you can build a few more at the same time.

[Tanthalas]

oh that's exactly the issue walter, I wanted to lay down the semi dread 6 gun broadside before I had the tech then a "Improved" version after I had the tech.  But alas it was ruled a no go... so I had to come up with a new idea =P

[Walter]

Stick to your plan, delay it a bit, increase your infrastructure ICs and BPs when possible, build more for them once the BB/AC tech becomes available. :)

[Tanthalas]

Actually I can sorta stick to the plan, and still lay down a version of the "Final".  Instead of going with the 4 turret version I will go with a "Q" turret version.  Think HMS Dreadnought without wing turrets, then when I get the tech I can plot the wings on her and POOF I am G2G.

[Tanthalas]

So I am trying to decide how much "Growth" is enough for my next class, ATM I have multiple ideas some grow a lot some not so much.  the preceding class of Armoured Frigates was 11,000 tons light which given that they are essentially up gunned and up armoured versions of Armoured Cruisers is actually kind of light. The Current rendition is based loosely on the British Minotaur Class Armoured Cruiser, and comes in at almost exactly their "Factory Numbers" of 14,600 light (I ended up at 14,500) and 16,630 "normal" (I ended up at 16,369) I gave up one knot of top speed, but switched from their collection of 9.5" and 7.5" guns to 6X11" in keeping with my AQY layouts and added 2" of belt armour.

So my question is, what yall think is 3500 tons to much growth for one class or is it just about right? OH and btw I abandoned mixed propulsion for this one  :'(  they would have an appearance quite similar to HMS Dreadnought without wing turrets.

Ships would be named as follows

AF-13 Prince of Orange-Nassau
AF-14 Prince of Belgium
AF-15 Prince of Chimay

AFX-1903, Unified Netherlands Armoured Frigate laid down 1903 (Engine 1905)

Displacement:
   14,500 t light; 15,177 t standard; 16,369 t normal; 17,322 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (523.00 ft / 519.00 ft) x 74.00 ft x (27.00 / 28.24 ft)
   (159.41 m / 158.19 m) x 22.56 m  x (8.23 / 8.61 m)

Armament:
      6 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 665.99lbs / 302.09kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1903 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
     1 x Twin mount on centreline, aft deck centre
      10 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1903 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, aft evenly spread
      20 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 39.99lbs / 18.14kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1903 Model
     14 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      14 raised mounts
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      3 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5,796 lbs / 2,629 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   372.00 ft / 113.39 m   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   147.00 ft / 44.81 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   363.00 ft / 110.64 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 110 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      7.00" / 178 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.00" / 254 mm, Aft 3.00" / 76 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 29,003 ihp / 21,636 Kw = 22.00 kts
   Range 7,044nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,145 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   723 - 940

Cost:
   £1.549 million / $6.196 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,030 tons, 6.3 %
      - Guns: 1,030 tons, 6.3 %
   Armour: 4,248 tons, 25.9 %
      - Belts: 2,408 tons, 14.7 %
      - Armament: 734 tons, 4.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 925 tons, 5.7 %
      - Conning Towers: 181 tons, 1.1 %
   Machinery: 4,162 tons, 25.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,693 tons, 28.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,869 tons, 11.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 368 tons, 2.2 %
      - Hull above water: 286 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 82 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     13,960 lbs / 6,332 Kg = 21.0 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.32
   Metacentric height 5.2 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 13.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.50
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.65

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.552 / 0.559
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.01 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.78 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 45
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -17.85 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  29.50 ft / 8.99 m,  27.00 ft / 8.23 m
      - Forward deck:   15.00 %,  27.00 ft / 8.23 m,  24.50 ft / 7.47 m
      - Aft deck:   55.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Average freeboard:      18.71 ft / 5.70 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 110.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 122.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 26,866 Square feet or 2,496 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 127 lbs/sq ft or 620 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.78
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Misc. Weight not distributed but would be for the actual ship, I am considering using a tripod mast just for looks on her (which is what the "on Deck" misc weight would represent.)

[Tanthalas]

and now for something mildly interesting, They would be ALOT bigger than anything previously built but they are kinda cool.  Gobs of Misc. weight for future growth or whatever I wanted to put on em, Range for well literally days (could cruise from The Netherlands to any of the colonies without refueling).  Armoured against their own guns (a first for me) and still reasonably fast while not exceeding the mixed propulsion limits.  All in all not bad ships IMHO, and proly the best I could do pre Dreadnoughts.

Beschermer Class, Unified Netherlands Armoured Frigate laid down 1903 (Engine 1905)

Displacement:
   15,500 t light; 16,325 t standard; 17,903 t normal; 19,165 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (531.50 ft / 527.00 ft) x 82.00 ft x (29.00 / 30.53 ft)
   (162.00 m / 160.63 m) x 24.99 m  x (8.84 / 9.31 m)

Armament:
      6 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 666.00lbs / 302.09kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1903 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      10 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1903 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      20 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.00lbs / 13.61kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1903 Model
     14 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      3 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5,596 lbs / 2,538 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   342.55 ft / 104.41 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   184.43 ft / 56.21 m   11.00 ft / 3.35 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   342.55 ft / 104.41 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      11.0" / 279 mm
   2nd:   6.00" / 152 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      4.00" / 102 mm

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 11.00" / 279 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, reciprocating cruising steam engines and steam turbines
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 26,600 ihp / 19,844 Kw = 21.28 kts
   Range 11,742nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,841 tons (10% coal)

Complement:
   773 - 1,006

Cost:
   £1.363 million / $5.452 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 993 tons, 5.5 %
      - Guns: 993 tons, 5.5 %
   Armour: 5,607 tons, 31.3 %
      - Belts: 2,980 tons, 16.6 %
      - Armament: 1,053 tons, 5.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,411 tons, 7.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 162 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 2,582 tons, 14.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,318 tons, 29.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,403 tons, 13.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 1,000 tons, 5.6 %
      - Hull above water: 500 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 500 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     24,811 lbs / 11,254 Kg = 37.3 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 3.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.29
   Metacentric height 5.9 ft / 1.8 m
   Roll period: 14.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.37
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.75

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.500 / 0.508
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.43 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.96 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 43
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.50 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  27.00 ft / 8.23 m,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Forward deck:   37.00 %,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Aft deck:   28.00 %,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:      18.62 ft / 5.67 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 74.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 126.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 28,792 Square feet or 2,675 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 135 lbs/sq ft or 657 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.93
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Tanthalas]

or I could just go for the Stupid fast (for the period) version.

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1903 (Engine 1905)

Displacement:
   15,500 t light; 16,096 t standard; 17,116 t normal; 17,932 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (550.00 ft / 550.00 ft) x 74.00 ft x (29.00 / 30.05 ft)
   (167.64 m / 167.64 m) x 22.56 m  x (8.84 / 9.16 m)

Armament:
      6 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 666.00lbs / 302.09kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1903 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      20 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 32.27lbs / 14.64kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1903 Model
     14 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      3 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4,641 lbs / 2,105 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   466.00 ft / 142.04 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm     84.00 ft / 25.60 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   360.00 ft / 109.73 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 130 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.00" / 254 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 40,103 ihp / 29,917 Kw = 24.00 kts
   Range 5,700nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,836 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   747 - 972

Cost:
   £1.756 million / $7.022 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 844 tons, 4.9 %
      - Guns: 844 tons, 4.9 %
   Armour: 3,721 tons, 21.7 %
      - Belts: 1,956 tons, 11.4 %
      - Armament: 681 tons, 4.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 941 tons, 5.5 %
      - Conning Tower: 143 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 5,755 tons, 33.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,960 tons, 29.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,616 tons, 9.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 220 tons, 1.3 %
      - On freeboard deck: 220 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10,080 lbs / 4,572 Kg = 15.1 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.28
   Metacentric height 5.0 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 13.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.42
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.43

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.508 / 0.513
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.43 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.45 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 52
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  25.00 ft / 7.62 m,  20.50 ft / 6.25 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  20.50 ft / 6.25 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.62 ft / 5.37 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 130.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 118.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 27,307 Square feet or 2,537 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 89 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 126 lbs/sq ft or 616 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.60
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily