Rollcall and Other Misc. Statistics

[Brockpaine]

There are a couple other good population sites out there, but that one gives you some of the broadest data.

[The Rock Doctor]

My initial research points to a population of about 48 million.  That includes:

-All of Sudan, South Sudan, Yemen, Libya, though I only own parts of these.

-50% of Saudi Arabia and Greece, which appears to be a relatively accurate division of population.

I may ask for a couple of tweaks in the Balkans, as the current map shows me owning one small chunk of Hungary and not owning one small chunk of Croatia.  Makes the demographic research easier.

[Darman]

just so you are aware the IRC site has an "untrusted" security thingy.  Or so my computer tells me, and it wont allow me to connect to it. 

[Logi]

Hm, I don't have that on my site. If it's a problem you could always use alternatives like Rizon's Mibbit.

[Logi]

Just a heads up, but I'm been coming down with something so that has thrown a wrench in my plans.

I'll go about correcting the Pop/IC numbers and other minor issues when I get better, hopefully next week. In the meantime I'm going to leave everything to Snip.

[Darman]

In the meantime I'm going to leave everything to Snip.

Oh dear.... when you get back don't be surprised to see most of the world map covered in American blue....

But seriously, hope all gets better quickly. 

[snip]

Just a heads up, but I'm been coming down with something so that has thrown a wrench in my plans.

I'll go about correcting the Pop/IC numbers and other minor issues when I get better, hopefully next week. In the meantime I'm going to leave everything to Snip.

Also fair warning, my workweek is kind of hectic. I should be able to respond to most things in a timely manor, but please don't hesitate to call things to my attention that I may have missed.

[snip]

I am also going to add this, it would be really nice if we had everyone's startup reports up by the 17th of this month. Its not a hard deadline at this point, but it might be in the future. Just a head's up.

[Logi]

As I mentioned in the edit for the starting information, I've corrected all the numbers givens. They should all be correct now.

Edit1: Added Colonies to the British Empire's starting stats. Mongolia & Taiwan included in China's stats. Philippine included in Japan's stats. Madagascar, Indochina, French Guyana, and French Algeria added to France's stats. Finland & Russian Poland added to Russia's stats. German Poland & German Papau New Guinea added to Germany's stats. Did a recount of Ottoman Empire's stats, came out ok.

My initial research points to a population of about 48 million.  That includes:

-All of Sudan, South Sudan, Yemen, Libya, though I only own parts of these.

-50% of Saudi Arabia and Greece, which appears to be a relatively accurate division of population.

I may ask for a couple of tweaks in the Balkans, as the current map shows me owning one small chunk of Hungary and not owning one small chunk of Croatia.  Makes the demographic research easier.

I recalculated the numbers and came to about 56 million for the Ottoman Empire. The difference is probably that I took the whole of a few these countries where you only own half or less. I'll list the countries I included:

Turkey
Syria
Iraq
Kuwait
Lebanon
Israel
Cyprus
Jordan
Egypt
Eritrea
Sudan (whole) ---> 5.588
Libya (whole) ----> 4.22
Tunisia
Macedonia
Albania
Bulgaria
Greece (whole) --> 4.962
Yugoslavia
Bosnia-Herzegovina
Slovenia
Croatia (whole) ---> 3.1615
United Arab Emirates
Qatar
*Yemen (broken by division -> ~79% of total pop)
*Saudi Arabia (broken by division ~52% of total pop)


As for the map issue, point out exactly which provinces you want switched around and I'll do it.

[The Rock Doctor]

Will do so Monday, when I have better internet.

[The Rock Doctor]

So I'm building my big spreadsheet to tell me what's built and what costs what.  Should have an initial report ready within a few days.

[The Rock Doctor]

This is the border change I'm requesting.  Add the province in yellow, subtract the province in red (to Hungary).  This gives me modern Croatian borders.

[Kaiser Kirk]

For my part, I know the POD discussions are closed, which is why I didn't ask then, but I am curious as to a couple of decisions in this region:
1) why does it appear the Post WWII Rumanian borders are used, not the pre-WWI? 
2) Likewise, wouldn't it have been simple to have AH actually disband in 1848, as it nearly did if not for the Russian intervention- that would have also removed it as a power, and created a more natural opportunity for the Ottomans to seize the south. Of course the answer to this could just be I've looked a bit into AH history ....

[Logi]

@ Rock Doctor
I've made the changes to the map as suggested.


@ Kaiser Kirk
1) It was supposed that Romania was able to get a slice Austrian-Hungary pie during the deluge.
2) We had picked the POD to be after the Franco-Prussian war, which means an 1848 divergence would not have worked. Indeed it raises all sorts of questions.
If Austria-Hungary collapsed in 1848, would the North-German Federation, Franco-Prussian War, Kleindeutsche Losung, etc. have occurred as it did? This has much larger effects on the balance of powers in Europe, much more so than a later Austria-Hungarian collapse. That's a bag of worms, I did not want.

[Kaiser Kirk]

I was just curious, as placing the Ottoman gains further back in time would strengthen that regieme, mucked up anyhow. Meant 1866. While there were revolts in 1848, in 1866-67 the AH lost the war vs Prussia, fought- and held off Italy, and had a massive revolt in Hungary which eventually was put down with the Assistance of the Russians.  A tweak there, and Hungary gets spun off, Austria Isolated, the SGC still joins the NGC in 1872, etc.   Seemed the logical place to add an Ottoman gain of territory.
Anyhow, just was curious.