New French Battleships

[miketr]

I see a "BOOMING" business for frogmen armed with limpet mines.   ;D

[Walter]

I see a "BOOMING" business for frogmen armed with limpet mines.   ;D

I totally agree. "Buy three frogmen and get the limpet mines for free." :)

[Desertfox]

Or just substitute Butane for fuel oil...

[ledeper]

Can Not Control Myself, ;)Itching-Itching 8) 8):

Esc Bb laid down 1921

Displacement:
   59.734 t light; 62.857 t standard; 66.447 t normal; 69.319 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   851,82 ft / 847,77 ft x 121,39 ft x 34,45 ft (normal load)
   259,63 m / 258,40 m x 37,00 m  x 10,50 m

Armament:
      6 - 17,91" / 455 mm guns (2x3 guns), 2.874,11lbs / 1.303,67kg shells, 1921 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 17,91" / 455 mm guns (2x2 guns), 2.874,11lbs / 1.303,67kg shells, 1921 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
      24 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns (12x2 guns), 102,98lbs / 46,71kg shells, 1921 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, evenly spread
      6 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,95lbs / 0,89kg shells, 1921 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 31.224 lbs / 14.163 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   15,7" / 400 mm   470,14 ft / 143,30 m   19,06 ft / 5,81 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   7,87" / 200 mm   470,14 ft / 143,30 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 85 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,97" / 50 mm   611,22 ft / 186,30 m   29,86 ft / 9,10 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   15,7" / 400 mm   11,8" / 300 mm      15,7" / 400 mm
   2nd:   15,7" / 400 mm   11,8" / 300 mm      15,7" / 400 mm
   3rd:   2,95" / 75 mm   1,97" / 50 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 7,09" / 180 mm, Conning tower: 15,75" / 400 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric cruising motors plus geared drives, 4 shafts, 135.896 shp / 101.378 Kw = 27,00 kts
   Range 9.000nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 6.463 tons

Complement:
   2.069 - 2.690

Cost:
   £15,335 million / $61,339 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 3.903 tons, 5,9 %
   Armour: 25.211 tons, 37,9 %
      - Belts: 7.686 tons, 11,6 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 1.329 tons, 2,0 %
      - Armament: 5.246 tons, 7,9 %
      - Armour Deck: 10.393 tons, 15,6 %
      - Conning Tower: 557 tons, 0,8 %
   Machinery: 4.680 tons, 7,0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 25.190 tons, 37,9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 6.713 tons, 10,1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 750 tons, 1,1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     80.750 lbs / 36.627 Kg = 28,1 x 17,9 " / 455 mm shells or 12,9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,00
   Metacentric height 6,7 ft / 2,0 m
   Roll period: 19,7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,70
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,05

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,656
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,98 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 29,12 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 67
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      22,97 ft / 7,00 m
      - Forecastle (10 %):   19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Stern:      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   19,82 ft / 6,04 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 82,2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 143,7 %
   Waterplane Area: 79.271 Square feet or 7.364 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 245 lbs/sq ft or 1.198 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1,00
      - Longitudinal: 1,03
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Armor disposition :
Upper 50mm
Middledeck 100 mm
Lowerdeck 20mm
Misc Weight:
2x FC :500t
L/RW/L:25 t
Seendes augen :25 t
Flag faciliteies:50 t
Starshells :50 t
Reserve:100t
Main belt outward slope 10 dg

[Desertfox]

I win!  ;D

[ledeper]

Damn ,Thrumphed again :D :D

[maddox]

I miss the 20mm torpedo's

[The Rock Doctor]

Gold shells will be cheap compared to the idea I have now

You might be on to something there: 

Swiss Officer:  "We've been hit!"

Swiss Captain:  "Plot a course for the nearest friendly port!  If we make it home, we'll be rich!"

[maddox]

Something with reasonable armor, and guns to have fun with. For an pricetag the politicians can stomache.

Grande petite, French GBB laid down 1920

Displacement:
   35.000 t light; 37.097 t standard; 40.649 t normal; 43.491 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   688,98 ft / 685,70 ft x 91,86 ft (Bulges 111,55 ft) x 29,53 ft (normal load)
   210,00 m / 209,00 m x 28,00 m (Bulges 34,00 m)  x 9,00 m

Armament:
      8 - 16,54" / 420 mm guns (4x2 guns), 2.755,78lbs / 1.250,00kg shells, 1920 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      16 - 5,00" / 127 mm guns (8x2 guns), 55,12lbs / 25,00kg shells, 1920 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,55lbs / 0,70kg shells, 1920 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 22.934 lbs / 10.403 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   15,0" / 381 mm   397,70 ft / 121,22 m   20,00 ft / 6,10 m
   Ends:   3,00" / 76 mm   287,97 ft / 87,77 m   11,50 ft / 3,51 m
   Upper:   3,00" / 76 mm   397,70 ft / 121,22 m   8,00 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 89% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead and Bulges:
      2,75" / 70 mm   397,70 ft / 121,22 m   30,00 ft / 9,14 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   15,0" / 381 mm   10,0" / 254 mm      15,0" / 381 mm
   2nd:   2,00" / 51 mm   1,00" / 25 mm      3,00" / 76 mm
   3rd:   0,50" / 13 mm   0,50" / 13 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 4,00" / 102 mm, Conning tower: 15,00" / 381 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 49.309 shp / 36.784 Kw = 22,00 kts
   Range 9.000nm at 16,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 6.394 tons

Complement:
   1.430 - 1.860

Cost:
   £8,204 million / $32,816 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2.386 tons, 5,9%
   Armour: 14.951 tons, 36,8%
      - Belts: 6.051 tons, 14,9%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 1.214 tons, 3,0%
      - Armament: 3.799 tons, 9,3%
      - Armour Deck: 3.505 tons, 8,6%
      - Conning Tower: 382 tons, 0,9%
   Machinery: 1.724 tons, 4,2%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 15.488 tons, 38,1%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5.649 tons, 13,9%
   Miscellaneous weights: 450 tons, 1,1%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     57.557 lbs / 26.107 Kg = 25,5 x 16,5 " / 420 mm shells or 11,4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,09
   Metacentric height 5,2 ft / 1,6 m
   Roll period: 20,5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,70
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,30

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,630
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,15 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26,19 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      29,53 ft / 9,00 m
      - Forecastle (21%):   19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Mid (50%):      18,70 ft / 5,70 m
      - Quarterdeck (21%):   18,70 ft / 5,70 m
      - Stern:      18,70 ft / 5,70 m
      - Average freeboard:   19,88 ft / 6,06 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 76,9%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 119,6%
   Waterplane Area: 47.371 Square feet or 4.401 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 221 lbs/sq ft or 1.077 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,98
      - Longitudinal: 1,26
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

250 tons FC
25  tons ERADe
25  tons Long range Marconi
50  tons crew comfort
50 tons specialised night fighting equipment
50 tons not assigned

[The Rock Doctor]

Absolutely not.  Insufficiently awe-inspiring.  No wine cellar, either.

[ctwaterman]

You really really didnt think that 50 tons unassigned wasnt the wine cellar I mean I can see it fooling the Temperance League suffrigates but nobody else.

Charles

[Borys]

Ahoj!
Immpressive. But IMO the UB is too thin. It will not keep out anything over 6".

[maddox]

The UB not ment to stop more than splinters.

[Jefgte]

... Main:   15,0" / 381 mm   397,70 ft / 121,22 m   20,00 ft / 6,10 m
  Ends:   3,00" / 76 mm   287,97 ft / 87,77 m   11,50 ft / 3,51 m
  Upper:   3,00" / 76 mm   397,70 ft / 121,22 m   8,00 ft / 2,44 m
    Main Belt covers 89% of normal length

Main is excessive in all & 89% is too short
Ends & Upper are insufficient


Jef

[maddox]

Main belt excessive against the 16"+ ESC guns?

And it's actualy an AoN ship with slapped on armor and insulation around the crew quarters.  But I'll change a few things.

This better?

Grande petite, French GBB laid down 1920

Displacement:
   35.000 t light; 37.097 t standard; 40.649 t normal; 43.491 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   688,98 ft / 685,70 ft x 91,86 ft (Bulges 111,55 ft) x 29,53 ft (normal load)
   210,00 m / 209,00 m x 28,00 m (Bulges 34,00 m)  x 9,00 m

Armament:
      8 - 16,54" / 420 mm guns (4x2 guns), 2.755,78lbs / 1.250,00kg shells, 1920 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      16 - 5,00" / 127 mm guns (8x2 guns), 55,12lbs / 25,00kg shells, 1920 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,55lbs / 0,70kg shells, 1920 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 22.934 lbs / 10.403 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   15,0" / 381 mm   425,13 ft / 129,58 m   19,00 ft / 5,79 m
   Ends:   6,00" / 152 mm   260,54 ft / 79,41 m   15,00 ft / 4,57 m
     Main Belt covers 95% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead and Bulges:
      2,50" / 64 mm   425,13 ft / 129,58 m   28,17 ft / 8,59 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   15,0" / 381 mm   10,0" / 254 mm      15,0" / 381 mm
   2nd:   2,00" / 51 mm   1,00" / 25 mm      3,00" / 76 mm
   3rd:   0,50" / 13 mm   0,50" / 13 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 4,00" / 102 mm, Conning tower: 15,00" / 381 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 49.309 shp / 36.784 Kw = 22,00 kts
   Range 9.000nm at 16,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 6.394 tons

Complement:
   1.430 - 1.860

Cost:
   £8,204 million / $32,816 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2.386 tons, 5,9%
   Armour: 14.933 tons, 36,7%
      - Belts: 6.139 tons, 15,1%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 1.108 tons, 2,7%
      - Armament: 3.799 tons, 9,3%
      - Armour Deck: 3.505 tons, 8,6%
      - Conning Tower: 382 tons, 0,9%
   Machinery: 1.724 tons, 4,2%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 15.506 tons, 38,1%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5.649 tons, 13,9%
   Miscellaneous weights: 450 tons, 1,1%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     57.234 lbs / 25.961 Kg = 25,3 x 16,5 " / 420 mm shells or 11,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,08
   Metacentric height 5,1 ft / 1,6 m
   Roll period: 20,7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,71
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,26

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,630
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,15 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26,19 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      29,53 ft / 9,00 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Mid (50%):      18,70 ft / 5,70 m
      - Quarterdeck (18%):   18,70 ft / 5,70 m
      - Stern:      18,70 ft / 5,70 m
      - Average freeboard:   19,83 ft / 6,05 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 76,9%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 119,5%
   Waterplane Area: 47.371 Square feet or 4.401 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 221 lbs/sq ft or 1.079 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,98
      - Longitudinal: 1,23
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

250 tons FC
25  tons ERADe
25  tons Long range Marconi
50  tons crew comfort
50 tons specialised night fighting equipment
50 tons not assigned