Chilean Warship Orders

Started by Darman, February 17, 2013, 09:29:13 PM

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KWorld

Union Steel & Iron submits a smaller 10" armed vessel as well:

Export CBB, United States Coast defence battleship laid down 1901 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   6,357 t light; 6,746 t standard; 7,211 t normal; 7,584 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (360.00 ft / 360.00 ft) x 60.00 ft x (19.00 / 19.81 ft)
   (109.73 m / 109.73 m) x 18.29 m  x (5.79 / 6.04 m)

Armament:
      4 - 10.00" / 254 mm 40.0 cal guns - 510.00lbs / 231.33kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1901 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 6.00" / 152 mm 50.0 cal guns - 105.00lbs / 47.63kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1901 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in any sea
      12 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 50.0 cal guns - 13.00lbs / 5.90kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 3,456 lbs / 1,568 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   198.00 ft / 60.35 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   161.98 ft / 49.37 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
   Upper:   8.00" / 203 mm   198.00 ft / 60.35 m   7.25 ft / 2.21 m
     Main Belt covers 85 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   3rd:   5.00" / 127 mm         -         4.00" / 102 mm
   4th:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 2.00" / 51 mm  Quarter deck: 2.00" / 51 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 12.00" / 305 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6,026 ihp / 4,496 Kw = 16.00 kts
   Range 4,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 838 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   390 - 508

Cost:
   £0.595 million / $2.381 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 642 tons, 8.9 %
      - Guns: 642 tons, 8.9 %
   Armour: 2,823 tons, 39.2 %
      - Belts: 1,598 tons, 22.2 %
      - Armament: 532 tons, 7.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 597 tons, 8.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 96 tons, 1.3 %
   Machinery: 942 tons, 13.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,914 tons, 26.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 854 tons, 11.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 37 tons, 0.5 %
      - Hull below water: 12 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     9,653 lbs / 4,378 Kg = 19.3 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 1.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.33
   Metacentric height 3.9 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 12.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.44
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.50

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.615 / 0.620
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.97 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m,  11.50 ft / 3.51 m
      - Aft deck:   25.00 %,  11.50 ft / 3.51 m,  11.50 ft / 3.51 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  11.50 ft / 3.51 m,  11.50 ft / 3.51 m
      - Average freeboard:      12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 74.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 91.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 16,020 Square feet or 1,488 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 103 lbs/sq ft or 500 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.68
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Below-water miscellaneous weight supports 4 submerged broadside torpedo tubes, with 3 reloads each.

Above-decks miscellaneous weight supports a long-range wireless set.



Nobody

Quote from: Darman on February 17, 2013, 09:29:13 PM
Emphasis on armor and firepower.  Prefer fewer larger guns.
Maybe Chile is interested in a more Monitor style 'Juggernaut'?
With 40 tons to spare (build cost including long range wireless, no torpedos is 7960 t):

Chile IV, German Export Coastal Battleship laid down 1901 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   8.000 t light; 8.477 t standard; 9.018 t normal; 9.451 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (354,33 ft / 344,49 ft) x 65,62 ft x (22,97 / 23,88 ft)
   (108,00 m / 105,00 m) x 20,00 m  x (7,00 / 7,28 m)

Armament:
      4 - 13,78" / 350 mm 35,0 cal guns - 992,08lbs / 450,00kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1901 Model
     2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 5,91" / 150 mm 40,0 cal guns - 88,18lbs / 40,00kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1901 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3,46" / 88,0 mm 30,0 cal guns - 15,43lbs / 7,00kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 raised mounts
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      4 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 20,0 cal guns - 0,96lbs / 0,44kg shells, 1.500 per gun
     Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 double raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4.801 lbs / 2.178 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   16,5" / 420 mm   262,47 ft / 80,00 m   4,92 ft / 1,50 m
   Ends:   8,27" / 210 mm     82,02 ft / 25,00 m   9,84 ft / 3,00 m
   Upper:   13,0" / 330 mm   262,47 ft / 80,00 m   6,56 ft / 2,00 m
     Main Belt covers 117% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   15,0" / 380 mm   7,09" / 180 mm      13,8" / 350 mm
   2nd:   5,91" / 150 mm   3,15" / 80 mm      5,91" / 150 mm
   3rd:   1,18" / 30 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2,76" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1,97" / 50 mm  Quarter deck: 2,95" / 75 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 14,96" / 380 mm, Aft 8,66" / 220 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 4.248 ihp / 3.169 Kw = 14,00 kts
   Range 4.100nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 974 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   462 - 601

Cost:
   £0,767 million / $3,069 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 922 tons, 10,2%
      - Guns: 922 tons, 10,2%
   Armour: 4.054 tons, 45,0%
      - Belts: 2.142 tons, 23,8%
      - Armament: 843 tons, 9,3%
      - Armour Deck: 848 tons, 9,4%
      - Conning Towers: 220 tons, 2,4%
   Machinery: 664 tons, 7,4%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2.295 tons, 25,5%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1.018 tons, 11,3%
   Miscellaneous weights: 65 tons, 0,7%
      - Hull below water: 20 tons
      - Hull above water: 10 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 10 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10.340 lbs / 4.690 Kg = 7,9 x 13,8 " / 350 mm shells or 2,3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,08
   Metacentric height 3,1 ft / 0,9 m
   Roll period: 15,7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,42
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,09

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a round stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,608 / 0,613
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5,25 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18,56 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 39 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 64
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -3,28 ft / -1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15,00%,  12,47 ft / 3,80 m,  11,48 ft / 3,50 m
      - Forward deck:   35,00%,  8,53 ft / 2,60 m,  8,20 ft / 2,50 m
      - Aft deck:   35,00%,  8,20 ft / 2,50 m,  8,20 ft / 2,50 m
      - Quarter deck:   15,00%,  8,20 ft / 2,50 m,  9,19 ft / 2,80 m
      - Average freeboard:      8,88 ft / 2,71 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 64,9%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 56,9%
   Waterplane Area: 16.656 Square feet or 1.547 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 123 lbs/sq ft or 601 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,93
      - Longitudinal: 1,78
      - Overall: 1,00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

KWorld

Given how rough the seas are down along the southern end of Chile, I'd expect good seakeeping to be a requirement of the Chilean Navy, but I could be wrong too.

Nobody

Quote from: KWorld on February 23, 2013, 04:01:19 AM
Given how rough the seas are down along the southern end of Chile, I'd expect good seakeeping to be a requirement of the Chilean Navy, but I could be wrong too.
Possible, but they didn't specify that.
Also small size plus big guns plus heavy armor plus high freeboard is an impossible combination.

Darman

Quote from: Nobody on February 23, 2013, 04:24:12 AM
Quote from: KWorld on February 23, 2013, 04:01:19 AM
Given how rough the seas are down along the southern end of Chile, I'd expect good seakeeping to be a requirement of the Chilean Navy, but I could be wrong too.
Possible, but they didn't specify that.
Also small size plus big guns plus heavy armor plus high freeboard is an impossible combination.

An oversight on my part.  Nobody your design looked good, although a 14-15" belt would probably be sufficient, if there was any way to convert that extra strength into freeboard?  There may not be. 

Nobody

Quote from: Darman on February 23, 2013, 06:25:30 AM
An oversight on my part.  Nobody your design looked good, although a 14-15" belt would probably be sufficient, if there was any way to convert that extra strength into freeboard?  There may not be.
It would probably be similar to my previous entries.
But before I try, how much freeboard do you want? Or would you specify something else?

Darman

What would be a good sea-keeping?  1.20?  I was thinking about 1.15 for Chile.  If thats possible? 

Nobody

#22
Quote from: Darman on February 23, 2013, 06:15:48 PM
What would be a good sea-keeping?  1.20?  I was thinking about 1.15 for Chile.  If thats possible?
Damn, the brower ate my post...

If the value is above 1, SpringSharp gives no warning and at 1.2 and above it add the 'good seekeeping' message.

Well, still only 3m freeboard (just like my fist ship and only 50cm more than on the "monitor"), but this time its stable and the seekeeping is better. The price is about 800 tons as well as thinner armor and significantly smaller armored areas (end and upper belt can no longer be assumed safe against major guns).
I tried three and a half meters freeboard, but then you would end up with barely more than cruiser armor and a ridiculous slow ship.
Personally I think the "Juggernaut" would be much more fun. Maybe the Chilean would like to join the Congolese in their demonstration of the 35cm cannons?

Chile V, German Export Coastal Battleship laid down 1901 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   8.000 t light; 8.482 t standard; 9.267 t normal; 9.896 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (374,02 ft / 360,89 ft) x 68,90 ft x (22,97 / 24,21 ft)
   (114,00 m / 110,00 m) x 21,00 m  x (7,00 / 7,38 m)

Armament:
      4 - 13,78" / 350 mm 35,0 cal guns - 992,08lbs / 450,00kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1901 Model
     2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 5,91" / 150 mm 40,0 cal guns - 88,18lbs / 40,00kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1901 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3,46" / 88,0 mm 30,0 cal guns - 15,43lbs / 7,00kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 raised mounts
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      4 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 20,0 cal guns - 0,96lbs / 0,44kg shells, 1.500 per gun
     Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 double raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4.801 lbs / 2.178 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13,8" / 350 mm   196,85 ft / 60,00 m   4,92 ft / 1,50 m
   Ends:   5,91" / 150 mm   164,04 ft / 50,00 m   9,84 ft / 3,00 m
   Upper:   8,66" / 220 mm   229,66 ft / 70,00 m   7,55 ft / 2,30 m
     Main Belt covers 84% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   15,0" / 380 mm   6,69" / 170 mm      13,8" / 350 mm
   2nd:   5,91" / 150 mm   3,15" / 80 mm      5,91" / 150 mm
   3rd:   1,18" / 30 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1,77" / 45 mm
   Forecastle: 1,18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1,77" / 45 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 15,75" / 400 mm, Aft 8,66" / 220 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6.961 ihp / 5.193 Kw = 16,00 kts
   Range 6.020nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1.414 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   471 - 613

Cost:
   £0,827 million / $3,306 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 922 tons, 10,0%
      - Guns: 922 tons, 10,0%
   Armour: 3.343 tons, 36,1%
      - Belts: 1.664 tons, 18,0%
      - Armament: 888 tons, 9,6%
      - Armour Deck: 559 tons, 6,0%
      - Conning Towers: 232 tons, 2,5%
   Machinery: 1.088 tons, 11,7%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2.602 tons, 28,1%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1.267 tons, 13,7%
   Miscellaneous weights: 45 tons, 0,5%
      - Hull below water: 10 tons
      - Hull above water: 5 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 5 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     9.958 lbs / 4.517 Kg = 7,6 x 13,8 " / 350 mm shells or 2,0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,19
   Metacentric height 3,9 ft / 1,2 m
   Roll period: 14,6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,39
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,19

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a round stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,568 / 0,575
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5,24 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19,00 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25,00%,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m
      - Forward deck:   25,00%,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m
      - Aft deck:   30,00%,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20,00%,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m,  10,50 ft / 3,20 m
      - Average freeboard:      10,24 ft / 3,12 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 77,6%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 70,2%
   Waterplane Area: 17.648 Square feet or 1.640 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 129 lbs/sq ft or 627 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,93
      - Longitudinal: 1,81
      - Overall: 1,00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Darman

Quote from: Nobody on February 18, 2013, 02:42:20 AM
Chile I, German Export Coastal Battleship laid down 1901 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   7.200 t light; 7.629 t standard; 8.130 t normal; 8.531 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (337,93 ft / 328,08 ft) x 55,77 ft x (25,92 / 26,97 ft)
   (103,00 m / 100,00 m) x 17,00 m  x (7,90 / 8,22 m)

Armament:
      4 - 13,78" / 350 mm 35,0 cal guns - 992,08lbs / 450,00kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1901 Model
     2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 5,91" / 150 mm 40,0 cal guns - 88,18lbs / 40,00kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3,46" / 88,0 mm 30,0 cal guns - 15,43lbs / 7,00kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 raised mounts
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      4 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 20,0 cal guns - 0,96lbs / 0,44kg shells, 1.500 per gun
     Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 double raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4.448 lbs / 2.018 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12,6" / 320 mm   213,25 ft / 65,00 m   6,56 ft / 2,00 m
   Ends:   7,87" / 200 mm   114,80 ft / 34,99 m   9,84 ft / 3,00 m
   Upper:   11,8" / 300 mm   213,25 ft / 65,00 m   6,56 ft / 2,00 m
     Main Belt covers 100% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12,6" / 320 mm   7,09" / 180 mm      11,8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   3,15" / 80 mm   0,79" / 20 mm            -
   3rd:   0,79" / 20 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1,97" / 50 mm
   Forecastle: 1,57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1,97" / 50 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 11,81" / 300 mm, Aft 5,91" / 150 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6.566 ihp / 4.898 Kw = 16,00 kts
   Range 4.065nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 902 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   427 - 556

Cost:
   £0,773 million / $3,093 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 870 tons, 10,7%
      - Guns: 870 tons, 10,7%
   Armour: 3.198 tons, 39,3%
      - Belts: 1.842 tons, 22,7%
      - Armament: 719 tons, 8,8%
      - Armour Deck: 483 tons, 5,9%
      - Conning Towers: 154 tons, 1,9%
   Machinery: 1.026 tons, 12,6%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2.051 tons, 25,2%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 930 tons, 11,4%
   Miscellaneous weights: 55 tons, 0,7%
      - Hull below water: 15 tons
      - Hull above water: 5 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 5 tons
      - Above deck: 30 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     7.236 lbs / 3.282 Kg = 5,5 x 13,8 " / 350 mm shells or 1,5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,05
   Metacentric height 2,3 ft / 0,7 m
   Roll period: 15,5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,73
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,09

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a round stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,600 / 0,605
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5,88 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18,11 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -20,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -3,28 ft / -1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00%,  11,48 ft / 3,50 m,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00%,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m
      - Aft deck:   35,00%,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15,00%,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m,  10,50 ft / 3,20 m
      - Average freeboard:      10,02 ft / 3,06 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 83,8%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 58,8%
   Waterplane Area: 13.383 Square feet or 1.243 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 91%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 122 lbs/sq ft or 595 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,91
      - Longitudinal: 2,30
      - Overall: 1,00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room[/tt]

Is there any way the Germans could replace the 350mm guns with 280/45 guns?  3 twins instead of 2 twins?  It would increase the volume of fire and be more competitive versus the newer classes of vessels currently being laid down. 
You can pare back the main belt down to 300mm if you need some additional tonnage. 

Nobody

Quote from: Darman on March 03, 2013, 09:29:46 AM
Quote from: Nobody on February 18, 2013, 02:42:20 AM
Chile I, German Export Coastal Battleship laid down 1901 (Engine 1900)
Is there any way the Germans could replace the 350mm guns with 280/45 guns?  3 twins instead of 2 twins?  It would increase the volume of fire and be more competitive versus the newer classes of vessels currently being laid down. 
You can pare back the main belt down to 300mm if you need some additional tonnage.
It's a bit early for the 45s (otl wise at least).
Other than that, yes it is possible and I was able to increase the armor. However, it was better reworking the ship more extensively so it is actually stable:
Chile I Ausf. B, German Export Coastal Battleship laid down 1901 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   7.200 t light; 7.621 t standard; 8.144 t normal; 8.562 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (337,93 ft / 328,08 ft) x 59,06 ft x (24,93 / 25,98 ft)
   (103,00 m / 100,00 m) x 18,00 m  x (7,60 / 7,92 m)

Armament:
      6 - 11,02" / 280 mm 40,0 cal guns - 529,11lbs / 240,00kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1901 Model
     3 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      4 - 5,91" / 150 mm 40,0 cal guns - 88,18lbs / 40,00kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3,46" / 88,0 mm 30,0 cal guns - 15,43lbs / 7,00kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 raised mounts
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      4 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 20,0 cal guns - 0,97lbs / 0,44kg shells, 1.500 per gun
     Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 double raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 3.655 lbs / 1.658 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13,0" / 330 mm   213,25 ft / 65,00 m   6,56 ft / 2,00 m
   Ends:   7,87" / 200 mm   114,80 ft / 34,99 m   9,84 ft / 3,00 m
   Upper:   11,0" / 280 mm   213,25 ft / 65,00 m   6,56 ft / 2,00 m
     Main Belt covers 100% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12,6" / 320 mm   7,09" / 180 mm      11,8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   3,15" / 80 mm   0,79" / 20 mm            -
   3rd:   0,79" / 20 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2,17" / 55 mm
   Forecastle: 1,57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 2,17" / 55 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 12,99" / 330 mm, Aft 5,91" / 150 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6.588 ihp / 4.915 Kw = 16,00 kts
   Range 4.260nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 942 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   428 - 557

Cost:
   £0,738 million / $2,951 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 838 tons, 10,3%
      - Guns: 838 tons, 10,3%
   Armour: 3.356 tons, 41,2%
      - Belts: 1.830 tons, 22,5%
      - Armament: 807 tons, 9,9%
      - Armour Deck: 553 tons, 6,8%
      - Conning Towers: 165 tons, 2,0%
   Machinery: 1.029 tons, 12,6%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1.921 tons, 23,6%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 944 tons, 11,6%
   Miscellaneous weights: 55 tons, 0,7%
      - Hull below water: 15 tons
      - Hull above water: 5 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 5 tons
      - Above deck: 30 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     7.909 lbs / 3.587 Kg = 11,8 x 11,0 " / 280 mm shells or 1,6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
   Metacentric height 2,7 ft / 0,8 m
   Roll period: 15,1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,49
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,10

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a round stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,590 / 0,595
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5,56 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18,11 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -20,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -3,28 ft / -1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00%,  11,48 ft / 3,50 m,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00%,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m
      - Aft deck:   35,00%,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15,00%,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m,  10,50 ft / 3,20 m
      - Average freeboard:      10,02 ft / 3,06 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 80,1%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 61,5%
   Waterplane Area: 14.039 Square feet or 1.304 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 93%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 115 lbs/sq ft or 560 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,93
      - Longitudinal: 2,06
      - Overall: 1,00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room

I do have my doubts though, if you can fit 3 turrets and all smaller guns on a ship that is just 100 meter (~330 feet) long.
The engineers are scratching their heads though: What happened to "bigger but fewer guns"?

Darman

Quote from: Nobody on March 04, 2013, 02:47:51 PM
I do have my doubts though, if you can fit 3 turrets and all smaller guns on a ship that is just 100 meter (~330 feet) long.
The engineers are scratching their heads though: What happened to "bigger but fewer guns"?
Given recent events in worldwide design, there appears to be a preponderance of designs with triple turrets.  The Chileans figured that triple turrets with slightly smaller guns but a faster rate of fire would allow them to throw more shells at an enemy. 

Darman

Lest there be any confusion, yes the Germans, previously awarded contracts for Chilean customs vessels, have been awarded the contract for Chile's first modern capital ship. 

Nobody

Possible elongated version to accommodate 3rd main turret in the center. I could make it 7200 tons as well, but then the armor would be unworthy its purpose.
Chile I Ausf. C, German Export Coastal Battleship laid down 1901 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   7.760 t light; 8.193 t standard; 8.748 t normal; 9.191 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (393,70 ft / 383,86 ft) x 62,34 ft x (21,33 / 22,21 ft)
   (120,00 m / 117,00 m) x 19,00 m  x (6,50 / 6,77 m)

Armament:
      6 - 11,02" / 280 mm 40,0 cal guns - 529,11lbs / 240,00kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1901 Model
     3 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      4 - 5,91" / 150 mm 40,0 cal guns - 88,18lbs / 40,00kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3,46" / 88,0 mm 30,0 cal guns - 15,43lbs / 7,00kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 raised mounts
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      4 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 20,0 cal guns - 0,97lbs / 0,44kg shells, 1.500 per gun
     Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 double raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 3.655 lbs / 1.658 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11,8" / 300 mm   246,06 ft / 75,00 m   6,56 ft / 2,00 m
   Ends:   7,09" / 180 mm   137,80 ft / 42,00 m   9,84 ft / 3,00 m
   Upper:   9,84" / 250 mm   249,34 ft / 76,00 m   6,56 ft / 2,00 m
     Main Belt covers 99% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12,6" / 320 mm   7,09" / 180 mm      11,8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   3,15" / 80 mm   0,79" / 20 mm            -
   3rd:   0,79" / 20 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2,17" / 55 mm
   Forecastle: 1,38" / 35 mm  Quarter deck: 2,17" / 55 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 12,60" / 320 mm, Aft 5,91" / 150 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6.607 ihp / 4.929 Kw = 16,00 kts
   Range 4.265nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 998 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   451 - 587

Cost:
   £0,758 million / $3,031 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 838 tons, 9,6%
      - Guns: 838 tons, 9,6%
   Armour: 3.566 tons, 40,8%
      - Belts: 1.905 tons, 21,8%
      - Armament: 807 tons, 9,2%
      - Armour Deck: 684 tons, 7,8%
      - Conning Towers: 169 tons, 1,9%
   Machinery: 1.032 tons, 11,8%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2.269 tons, 25,9%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 988 tons, 11,3%
   Miscellaneous weights: 55 tons, 0,6%
      - Hull below water: 15 tons
      - Hull above water: 5 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 5 tons
      - Above deck: 30 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     9.834 lbs / 4.461 Kg = 14,7 x 11,0 " / 280 mm shells or 1,9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,17
   Metacentric height 3,3 ft / 1,0 m
   Roll period: 14,4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,39
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,08

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a round stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,600 / 0,605
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,16 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19,59 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 41 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -20,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -3,28 ft / -1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00%,  11,48 ft / 3,50 m,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00%,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m
      - Aft deck:   35,00%,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15,00%,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m,  10,50 ft / 3,20 m
      - Average freeboard:      10,02 ft / 3,06 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 74,8%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 72,7%
   Waterplane Area: 17.501 Square feet or 1.626 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 113 lbs/sq ft or 552 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,96
      - Longitudinal: 1,32
      - Overall: 1,00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room