Scandinavian Ships

[ledeper]

First up is a class of 4 Coastal battleships


Loki class, Scandinavia CDBb laid down 1900

Displacement:
   7.689 t light; 8.145 t standard; 8.684 t normal; 9.116 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (354,33 ft / 354,33 ft) x 59,06 ft x (18,04 / 18,86 ft)
   (108,00 m / 108,00 m) x 18,00 m  x (5,50 / 5,75 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12,00" / 305 mm 45,0 cal guns - 871,37lbs / 395,24kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 6,00" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,92lbs / 49,41kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      6 - 4,00" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 32,27lbs / 14,64kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     6 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      6 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4.550 lbs / 2.064 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9,00" / 229 mm   230,32 ft / 70,20 m   9,22 ft / 2,81 m
   Ends:   3,00" / 76 mm   124,00 ft / 37,80 m   9,22 ft / 2,81 m
   Upper:   3,00" / 76 mm   230,32 ft / 70,20 m   8,00 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9,84" / 250 mm   3,94" / 100 mm      7,87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   10,0" / 254 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0,16" / 4 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 3,00" / 76 mm
   Forecastle: 3,00" / 76 mm  Quarter deck: 3,00" / 76 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9,00" / 229 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 7.226 ihp / 5.391 Kw = 16,00 kts
   Range 4.000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 971 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   449 - 584

Cost:
   £0,824 million / $3,296 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 798 tons, 9,2 %
      - Guns: 798 tons, 9,2 %
   Armour: 2.934 tons, 33,8 %
      - Belts: 1.245 tons, 14,3 %
      - Armament: 572 tons, 6,6 %
      - Armour Deck: 1.035 tons, 11,9 %
      - Conning Tower: 82 tons, 0,9 %
   Machinery: 1.279 tons, 14,7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2.377 tons, 27,4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 996 tons, 11,5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 3,5 %
      - Hull below water: 300 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10.172 lbs / 4.614 Kg = 11,8 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 1,5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,36
   Metacentric height 3,9 ft / 1,2 m
   Roll period: 12,6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 86 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,76
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,73

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak, low quarterdeck ,
     a ram bow and a round stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,805 / 0,808
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18,82 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00 %,  19,69 ft / 6,00 m,  16,93 ft / 5,16 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00 %,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m,  13,19 ft / 4,02 m
      - Aft deck:   35,00 %,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m,  13,19 ft / 4,02 m
      - Quarter deck:   15,00 %,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m,  13,19 ft / 4,02 m
      - Average freeboard:      14,62 ft / 4,46 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 91,3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 109,1 %
   Waterplane Area: 18.492 Square feet or 1.718 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 93 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 108 lbs/sq ft or 527 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,93
      - Longitudinal: 1,92
      - Overall: 1,00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[KWorld]

In 1900, we're limited to 40 caliber guns of 12" bore, if you want 45 caliber guns, you have to use something smaller.

The 6" casemate guns are probably not on the centerline, though you could have a bow or stern chaser.

Deck armor is probably excessive, since the only real threats to that armor at this period are shell fragments and coast defence mortars (the latter of which we have no rules for).  2-2.5" is probably plenty.

Might want to go to complex reciprocating engines vs the simple ones you have now.

Miscellaneous weight seems excessive.

[Tanthalas]

basicly everything Kworld pointed out, and Youch 300 tons misc weight? IDK what it would posibly be for in 1900 (well I can imagine but not on a CDBB)...

[KWorld]

Large "building reserves" in general are, to me, problematic: they look like they're placeholders for future inventions, most of which weren't known at the time.  I can maybe see including a reserve for a technology currently in development, but one that's several years in the future from even starting development?

[ledeper]

Loki class, Scandinavia CDBb laid down 1900

Displacement:
   6.632 t light; 7.055 t standard; 7.541 t normal; 7.929 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (354,33 ft / 354,33 ft) x 59,06 ft x (18,04 / 18,86 ft)
   (108,00 m / 108,00 m) x 18,00 m  x (5,50 / 5,75 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12,00" / 305 mm 40,0 cal guns - 828,07lbs / 375,60kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 6,00" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,92lbs / 49,41kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      6 - 4,00" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 32,27lbs / 14,64kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     6 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      6 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4.377 lbs / 1.985 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9,00" / 229 mm   230,32 ft / 70,20 m   9,84 ft / 3,00 m
   Ends:   3,00" / 76 mm   124,00 ft / 37,80 m   9,84 ft / 3,00 m
   Upper:   3,00" / 76 mm   230,32 ft / 70,20 m   9,02 ft / 2,75 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9,84" / 250 mm   3,94" / 100 mm      7,87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   10,0" / 254 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0,16" / 4 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2,00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 2,00" / 51 mm  Quarter deck: 2,00" / 51 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9,00" / 229 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 6.405 ihp / 4.778 Kw = 16,00 kts
   Range 4.000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 874 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   403 - 525

Cost:
   £0,698 million / $2,790 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 706 tons, 9,4 %
      - Guns: 706 tons, 9,4 %
   Armour: 2.597 tons, 34,4 %
      - Belts: 1.326 tons, 17,6 %
      - Armament: 572 tons, 7,6 %
      - Armour Deck: 625 tons, 8,3 %
      - Conning Tower: 75 tons, 1,0 %
   Machinery: 1.001 tons, 13,3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2.277 tons, 30,2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 909 tons, 12,1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 0,7 %
      - Hull below water: 50 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     9.688 lbs / 4.394 Kg = 11,2 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 1,6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,32
   Metacentric height 3,7 ft / 1,1 m
   Roll period: 12,9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 92 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,81
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,83

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak, low quarterdeck ,
     a ram bow and a round stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,699 / 0,703
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18,82 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00 %,  19,69 ft / 6,00 m,  16,93 ft / 5,16 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00 %,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m,  13,19 ft / 4,02 m
      - Aft deck:   35,00 %,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m,  13,19 ft / 4,02 m
      - Quarter deck:   15,00 %,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m,  13,19 ft / 4,02 m
      - Average freeboard:      14,62 ft / 4,46 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84,0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 110,2 %
   Waterplane Area: 16.757 Square feet or 1.557 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 111 lbs/sq ft or 540 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,92
      - Longitudinal: 2,09
      - Overall: 1,00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Tanthalas]

I agree within reason, but I can see a "growth reserve" OTL ships mostly had one and long as it dosnt exactly line up with some tech I dont have a real problem with it, Heck the big knock on the OHP class FFGs was that they only had a microscopic building reserve.

and to Per, that looks alot better IMHO.

Large "building reserves" in general are, to me, problematic: they look like they're placeholders for future inventions, most of which weren't known at the time.  I can maybe see including a reserve for a technology currently in development, but one that's several years in the future from even starting development?

[ledeper]

City-Class, Scandia ligth cruiser laid down 1900

Displacement:
   6.543 t light; 6.770 t standard; 7.217 t normal; 7.574 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (410,11 ft / 410,11 ft) x 59,06 ft x (18,04 / 18,77 ft)
   (125,00 m / 125,00 m) x 18,00 m  x (5,50 / 5,72 m)

Armament:
      4 - 6,00" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,93lbs / 49,41kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 6,00" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,93lbs / 49,41kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      4 - 4,00" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 32,28lbs / 14,64kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 1.001 lbs / 454 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3,94" / 100 mm   266,57 ft / 81,25 m   9,22 ft / 2,81 m
   Ends:   1,97" / 50 mm   143,50 ft / 43,74 m   9,22 ft / 2,81 m
   Upper:   1,97" / 50 mm   266,57 ft / 81,25 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3,94" / 100 mm         -               -
   2nd:   3,94" / 100 mm         -               -
   3rd:   1,97" / 50 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1,97" / 50 mm
   Forecastle: 1,97" / 50 mm  Quarter deck: 1,97" / 50 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3,94" / 100 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 17.638 ihp / 13.158 Kw = 21,50 kts
   Range 2.500nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 804 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   390 - 508

Cost:
   £0,703 million / $2,814 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 254 tons, 3,5 %
      - Guns: 254 tons, 3,5 %
   Armour: 1.463 tons, 20,3 %
      - Belts: 693 tons, 9,6 %
      - Armament: 101 tons, 1,4 %
      - Armour Deck: 637 tons, 8,8 %
      - Conning Tower: 32 tons, 0,4 %
   Machinery: 2.756 tons, 38,2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2.020 tons, 28,0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 674 tons, 9,3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 0,7 %
      - Hull below water: 50 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     4.974 lbs / 2.256 Kg = 46,1 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 0,9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,52
   Metacentric height 4,6 ft / 1,4 m
   Roll period: 11,5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,21
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,51

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, rise aft of midbreak, low quarterdeck ,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,578 / 0,583
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,94 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20,25 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00 %,  19,69 ft / 6,00 m,  18,93 ft / 5,77 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00 %,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m,  14,73 ft / 4,49 m
      - Aft deck:   35,00 %,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m,  14,73 ft / 4,49 m
      - Quarter deck:   15,00 %,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m,  14,73 ft / 4,49 m
      - Average freeboard:      16,05 ft / 4,89 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 135,9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 131,9 %
   Waterplane Area: 17.352 Square feet or 1.612 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 92 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 85 lbs/sq ft or 415 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,95
      - Longitudinal: 1,56
      - Overall: 1,00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[KWorld]

I agree within reason, but I can see a "growth reserve" OTL ships mostly had one and long as it dosnt exactly line up with some tech I dont have a real problem with it, Heck the big knock on the OHP class FFGs was that they only had a microscopic building reserve.

and to Per, that looks alot better IMHO.

Large "building reserves" in general are, to me, problematic: they look like they're placeholders for future inventions, most of which weren't known at the time.  I can maybe see including a reserve for a technology currently in development, but one that's several years in the future from even starting development?

Modern ships are a different kettle of fish entirely, it's been accepted that the pace of electronics change is so high compared to ships lifetimes that a larger reserve is necessary.  But in the pre-WWI period?  What's expected to change that a designer is going to reserve, say, 250 tons for on a 10,000 ton ship (4% of the ships displacement).  Historically, most ships didn't last that long, they wore out and were replaced.

[KWorld]

Centerline casemates are not going to work well, in general casemates should be sided.

On the City-class, you don't have enough length to mount 8 centerline 6"/45s: each gun is going to be around 25' long, so you'd need 200' of length just for the guns, without worrying about a bridge, stacks, etc.  Move some or all of these to the sides of the ship.  Given the ship's quite large size and armored cruiser protection scheme, you may want to consider replacing some of the 6" guns with turreted larger weapons as well.

Also, the same ship has the following warning:      "Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces"  You'll probably want to lengthen the main belt.

Range is VERY short for a cruiser.

[ledeper]

A provocation,(figuring out Scandinavia cant take that long):
Battlecruiser study, Scandia BC laid down 1904

Displacement:
   25.084 t light; 26.130 t standard; 28.066 t normal; 29.615 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (720,41 ft / 715,22 ft) x 91,86 ft x (22,97 / 24,04 ft)
   (219,58 m / 218,00 m) x 28,00 m  x (7,00 / 7,33 m)

Armament:
      9 - 11,81" / 300 mm 40,0 cal guns - 789,56lbs / 358,14kg shells, 110 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Triple mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 raised mount - superfiring
     1 x Triple mount on centreline forward
      10 - 4,92" / 125 mm 45,0 cal guns - 60,10lbs / 27,26kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,97lbs / 0,89kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline, aft deck forward
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 7.715 lbs / 3.499 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9,84" / 250 mm   536,42 ft / 163,50 m   11,52 ft / 3,51 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   3,94" / 100 mm   536,42 ft / 163,50 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 115 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7,87" / 200 mm   3,94" / 100 mm      7,87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0,20" / 5 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1,97" / 50 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 5,91" / 150 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 53.824 ihp / 40.153 Kw = 24,00 kts
   Range 3.500nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3.484 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   1.083 - 1.409

Cost:
   £2,605 million / $10,420 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1.234 tons, 4,4 %
      - Guns: 1.234 tons, 4,4 %
   Armour: 5.999 tons, 21,4 %
      - Belts: 3.214 tons, 11,5 %
      - Armament: 1.062 tons, 3,8 %
      - Armour Deck: 1.606 tons, 5,7 %
      - Conning Tower: 118 tons, 0,4 %
   Machinery: 7.915 tons, 28,2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 9.785 tons, 34,9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2.982 tons, 10,6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 0,5 %
      - Hull below water: 150 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     27.896 lbs / 12.653 Kg = 33,9 x 11,8 " / 300 mm shells or 2,3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,43
   Metacentric height 8,2 ft / 2,5 m
   Roll period: 13,5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,40
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,44

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,651 / 0,656
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,79 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26,74 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   10,00 %,  29,43 ft / 8,97 m,  24,08 ft / 7,34 m
      - Forward deck:   60,00 %,  24,08 ft / 7,34 m,  24,08 ft / 7,34 m
      - Aft deck:   15,00 %,  12,04 ft / 3,67 m,  12,04 ft / 3,67 m
      - Quarter deck:   15,00 %,  12,04 ft / 3,67 m,  12,04 ft / 3,67 m
      - Average freeboard:      20,68 ft / 6,30 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 112,4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 192,0 %
   Waterplane Area: 50.378 Square feet or 4.680 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 153 lbs/sq ft or 746 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1,01
      - Longitudinal: 0,99
      - Overall: 1,00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
;D ;D ::)

[KWorld]

:)

Triples, sadly, aren't going to be available in 1904.  Range is, again, relatively short (though it's at 14 knots, so it's longer than it looks if she slows down).  Turret armor's a bit light, casemate armor is VERY light.  Deck armor is missing entirely over the bow and the steering gear: she's in danger of becoming unsteerable from a single 6" HE hit aft.

[Tanthalas]

the range isnt to bad realy, not when you consider the primary op areas for any ship they decide to build will be either the enclosed (if rough) watters of the Baltic, or in the equaly small (if still rough) north Atlantic.  I personaly am more concernd with the compleatly unarmored ends given their operating area, oh and yeah what Kworld said about the tripples (I know it kinda frosts me to but it is what it is)

[ledeper]

01-99, Scandia Corvettes laid down 1900

Displacement:
   739 t light; 762 t standard; 892 t normal; 997 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (195,88 ft / 193,57 ft) x 21,33 ft x (11,48 / 12,64 ft)
   (59,71 m / 59,00 m) x 6,50 m  x (3,50 / 3,85 m)

Armament:
      2 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, forward deck forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      1 - 1,97" / 50,0 mm 45,0 cal gun - 3,85lbs / 1,74kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing gun in deck mount, 1900 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck forward
      Weight of broadside 65 lbs / 30 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Conning towers: Forward 0,98" / 25 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 4.960 ihp / 3.700 Kw = 20,00 kts
   Range 2.500nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 235 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   81 - 106

Cost:
   £0,096 million / $0,385 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 12 tons, 1,3 %
      - Guns: 12 tons, 1,3 %
   Armour: 7 tons, 0,7 %
      - Armament: 5 tons, 0,5 %
      - Conning Tower: 2 tons, 0,2 %
   Machinery: 481 tons, 53,8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 230 tons, 25,7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 154 tons, 17,2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 10 tons, 1,1 %
      - Hull below water: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     341 lbs / 155 Kg = 11,2 x 3,9 " / 100 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,44
   Metacentric height 0,9 ft / 0,3 m
   Roll period: 9,3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 69 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,23
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,37

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,659 / 0,669
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,08 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 13,91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 66 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00 %,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m,  12,53 ft / 3,82 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00 %,  11,88 ft / 3,62 m,  9,74 ft / 2,97 m
      - Aft deck:   35,00 %,  9,74 ft / 2,97 m,  9,74 ft / 2,97 m
      - Quarter deck:   15,00 %,  9,74 ft / 2,97 m,  9,74 ft / 2,97 m
      - Average freeboard:      10,67 ft / 3,25 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 178,7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 75,8 %
   Waterplane Area: 3.148 Square feet or 292 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 56 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 34 lbs/sq ft or 164 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,85
      - Longitudinal: 4,49
      - Overall: 1,00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Wt 5 tns

[ledeper]

Loki class refined:

Loki class, Scandinavia CDBb laid down 1900

Displacement:
   7.483 t light; 7.925 t standard; 8.448 t normal; 8.866 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (354,33 ft / 354,33 ft) x 59,06 ft x (18,86 / 19,70 ft)
   (108,00 m / 108,00 m) x 18,00 m  x (5,75 / 6,00 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12,00" / 305 mm 40,0 cal guns - 828,07lbs / 375,61kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 6,00" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,92lbs / 49,41kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      6 - 4,00" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 32,27lbs / 14,64kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     6 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      6 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4.377 lbs / 1.985 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9,00" / 229 mm   230,32 ft / 70,20 m   9,22 ft / 2,81 m
   Ends:   3,00" / 76 mm   124,00 ft / 37,80 m   9,22 ft / 2,81 m
   Upper:   3,00" / 76 mm   230,32 ft / 70,20 m   8,00 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9,84" / 250 mm   3,94" / 100 mm      7,87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   50,0" / 1.270 mm         -               -
   3rd:   1,57" / 40 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2,00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 2,00" / 51 mm  Quarter deck: 2,00" / 51 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9,00" / 229 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 8.788 ihp / 6.556 Kw = 17,00 kts
   Range 4.000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 941 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   439 - 572

Cost:
   £0,780 million / $3,118 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 688 tons, 8,1 %
      - Guns: 688 tons, 8,1 %
   Armour: 3.153 tons, 37,3 %
      - Belts: 1.233 tons, 14,6 %
      - Armament: 1.187 tons, 14,0 %
      - Armour Deck: 653 tons, 7,7 %
      - Conning Tower: 80 tons, 1,0 %
   Machinery: 1.373 tons, 16,3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2.219 tons, 26,3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 965 tons, 11,4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 0,6 %
      - Hull below water: 50 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10.417 lbs / 4.725 Kg = 12,1 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 1,6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,46
   Metacentric height 4,4 ft / 1,3 m
   Roll period: 11,9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 82 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,50
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,63

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak, low quarterdeck ,
     a ram bow and a round stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,749 / 0,753
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18,82 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00 %,  19,69 ft / 6,00 m,  16,93 ft / 5,16 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00 %,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m,  13,19 ft / 4,02 m
      - Aft deck:   35,00 %,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m,  13,19 ft / 4,02 m
      - Quarter deck:   15,00 %,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m,  13,19 ft / 4,02 m
      - Average freeboard:      14,62 ft / 4,46 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 89,3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 105,7 %
   Waterplane Area: 17.510 Square feet or 1.627 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 93 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 103 lbs/sq ft or 502 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,92
      - Longitudinal: 2,00
      - Overall: 1,00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather


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6 - 4,00" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 32,27lbs / 14,64kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     6 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      6 raised mounts"

,is placed in upper substructure.

[Nobody]

6 - 4,00" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 32,27lbs / 14,64kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     6 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      6 raised mounts

,is placed in upper substructure.

I think you should use the "2 mounts up" option then.