Post Startup Ships of the Regia Marina Italiana (1900-19XX)

[Tanthalas]

there Fixed the range Issue, switched to all 4.7s and 3" for the other than main batteries, even managed to up the armor on the turret faces a bit.

BB-7 Emilia-Romagna (Cuniberti), Italia Battleship laid down 1900

Displacement:
   13,500 t light; 14,010 t standard; 15,037 t normal; 15,859 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (555.00 ft / 555.00 ft) x 68.00 ft x (23.00 / 24.04 ft)
   (169.16 m / 169.16 m) x 20.73 m  x (7.01 / 7.33 m)

Armament:
      4 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 665.99lbs / 302.09kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1900 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 raised mounts
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.62lbs / 6.18kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 3,573 lbs / 1,621 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   389.00 ft / 118.57 m   9.90 ft / 3.02 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   166.00 ft / 50.60 m   9.90 ft / 3.02 m
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   389.00 ft / 118.57 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 108 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      6.00" / 152 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm   0.50" / 13 mm      1.00" / 25 mm
   4th:   2.00" / 51 mm   0.50" / 13 mm            -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 5.00" / 127 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 26,000 ihp / 19,396 Kw = 21.74 kts
   Range 5,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,849 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   678 - 882

Cost:
   £1.358 million / $5.430 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 797 tons, 5.3 %
      - Guns: 797 tons, 5.3 %
   Armour: 3,937 tons, 26.2 %
      - Belts: 1,917 tons, 12.8 %
      - Armament: 562 tons, 3.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,392 tons, 9.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 66 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 4,062 tons, 27.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,606 tons, 30.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,537 tons, 10.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 98 tons, 0.7 %
      - On freeboard deck: 98 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     16,093 lbs / 7,300 Kg = 24.2 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.29
   Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 13.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.58
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.82

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low quarterdeck ,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.606 / 0.612
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.16 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.56 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 42
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  22.00 ft / 6.71 m,  22.00 ft / 6.71 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  22.00 ft / 6.71 m,  22.00 ft / 6.71 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  22.00 ft / 6.71 m,  22.00 ft / 6.71 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:      20.80 ft / 6.34 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 106.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 171.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 27,765 Square feet or 2,579 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 118 lbs/sq ft or 576 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.51
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

98 tons Misc Weight
25 tons long range Wireless
25 tons Reserve long range Wireless
26 tons Improvements to Crew Facilities
10 tons Flag Facilities
  6 tons Improvements to Officers Facilities
  6 tons Improvements to Capitans Quarters

[KWorld]

The concerns I'd have at this point are mostly armor related: the weak armor over the quarterdeck, and the large expanse of unarmored sides, because of the very high freeboard.

Also, it looks like your 3" guns might need to go up or down, on side ends they could be in the way of the 11" or 4.7" guns.

[Tanthalas]

Down, thought I did that (but aparently not) Honestly I would like to lower the freeboard (she is still IMHO way to seaworthy) but then I would loose my lowerd quarterdeck =P and have to figure out what to do with the composite I gaind (perhaps lighten her a bit and get back to 22 knots) *trundles off to play with it some more*

The concerns I'd have at this point are mostly armor related: the weak armor over the quarterdeck, and the large expanse of unarmored sides, because of the very high freeboard.

Also, it looks like your 3" guns might need to go up or down, on side ends they could be in the way of the 11" or 4.7" guns.

[KWorld]

Another option would be to thicken the belt & upper belt armor (and increase the armor over the quarterdeck).  :)

[Tanthalas]

I cut a couple feet of freeboard off her, and used it to increase over all armor coverage.  Ill proly continue to play with the armor layout but this can be considerd more or less the final production version

BB-7 Emilia-Romagna (Cuniberti), Italia Battleship laid down 1900

Displacement:
   13,500 t light; 14,009 t standard; 15,036 t normal; 15,858 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (555.00 ft / 555.00 ft) x 68.00 ft x (23.00 / 24.04 ft)
   (169.16 m / 169.16 m) x 20.73 m  x (7.01 / 7.33 m)

Armament:
      4 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 665.99lbs / 302.09kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1900 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 raised mounts
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.01lbs / 5.90kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      Weight of broadside 3,568 lbs / 1,618 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   389.00 ft / 118.57 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   166.00 ft / 50.60 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   389.00 ft / 118.57 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
     Main Belt covers 108 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      6.00" / 152 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm   0.50" / 13 mm      1.00" / 25 mm
   4th:   2.00" / 51 mm   0.50" / 13 mm            -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 7.00" / 178 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 25,999 ihp / 19,395 Kw = 21.74 kts
   Range 5,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,849 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   678 - 882

Cost:
   £1.358 million / $5.430 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 797 tons, 5.3 %
      - Guns: 797 tons, 5.3 %
   Armour: 4,094 tons, 27.2 %
      - Belts: 2,079 tons, 13.8 %
      - Armament: 531 tons, 3.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,392 tons, 9.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 92 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 4,062 tons, 27.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,448 tons, 29.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,536 tons, 10.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 98 tons, 0.7 %
      - On freeboard deck: 98 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     15,299 lbs / 6,939 Kg = 23.0 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 1.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.29
   Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 13.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.53
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.65

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low quarterdeck ,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.606 / 0.612
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.16 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.56 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Average freeboard:      18.80 ft / 5.73 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 106.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 156.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 27,766 Square feet or 2,580 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 117 lbs/sq ft or 571 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.32
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

98 tons Misc Weight
25 tons long range Wireless
25 tons Reserve long range Wireless
26 tons Improvements to Crew Facilities
10 tons Flag Facilities
  6 tons Improvements to Officers Facilities
  6 tons Improvements to Capitans Quarters

[Delta Force]

My Admiral Nakhimov class armored cruisers actually have better protection than your battleship. It is heavily armored for its type, but the belt is tall enough on it to provide some protection against shells hitting below water. This design doesn't enough have enough armor to protect the freeboard and has a tactically insignificant increase in firepower and speed over it. If the armored cruiser wanted to it could simply chase down your battleship due to its superior range.

I know that tumblehome does give some strength and seakeeping advantages for a given size of ship, but overall this design offers essentially no improvement. Try to find a way to put your extra 5% of hull weight to use elsewhere in the design. If you can get your battleship to a hull weight similar to my cruiser you will have another 675 tons for use in improving the design.

EDIT: This was referring to the earlier design.

[KWorld]

You still have 5' of unarmored hull above the upper belt.....


Also, why are some of your 4.7" guns breech loaders (what I'd expect) and some quick-firers? 

[Tanthalas]

@Kworld Mostly cause I forgot to change one set (the 4.7 is a QF gun not a Bag gun), as to the unarmored freeboard... meh im still playing with it.

@delta What you are doing is just so you know WHY buldges were ilegal in 2.0. 

[Tanthalas]

Feel free to continue the Discussion (it has helped my creative process alot) and chew on this one (latest incarnation of the project) till I get back

BB-7 Emilia-Romagna (Cuniberti), Italia Battleship laid down 1900

Displacement:
   13,500 t light; 14,010 t standard; 15,033 t normal; 15,852 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (555.00 ft / 555.00 ft) x 68.00 ft x (26.00 / 27.10 ft)
   (169.16 m / 169.16 m) x 20.73 m  x (7.92 / 8.26 m)

Armament:
      4 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 666.00lbs / 302.09kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1900 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 raised mounts
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.00lbs / 5.90kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      Weight of broadside 3,568 lbs / 1,618 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   389.00 ft / 118.57 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   166.00 ft / 50.60 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   389.00 ft / 118.57 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
     Main Belt covers 108 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      6.00" / 152 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm
   4th:   2.00" / 51 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
   Forecastle: 1.50" / 38 mm  Quarter deck: 1.50" / 38 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9.00" / 229 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 26,000 ihp / 19,396 Kw = 21.87 kts
   Range 5,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,842 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   678 - 882

Cost:
   £1.358 million / $5.430 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 806 tons, 5.4 %
      - Guns: 806 tons, 5.4 %
   Armour: 4,280 tons, 28.5 %
      - Belts: 2,277 tons, 15.1 %
      - Armament: 542 tons, 3.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,343 tons, 8.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 118 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 4,062 tons, 27.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,254 tons, 28.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,533 tons, 10.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 98 tons, 0.7 %
      - On freeboard deck: 98 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     13,131 lbs / 5,956 Kg = 19.7 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 1.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.22
   Metacentric height 4.1 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 14.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.45
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.51

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.536 / 0.542
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.16 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.56 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 42 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.13 ft / 5.22 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 106.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 119.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 26,001 Square feet or 2,416 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 117 lbs/sq ft or 571 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.36
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

98 tons Misc Weight
25 tons long range Wireless
25 tons Reserve long range Wireless
26 tons Improvements to Crew Facilities
10 tons Flag Facilities
  6 tons Improvements to Officers Facilities
  6 tons Improvements to Capitans Quarters

[Tanthalas]

And finaly a bone to my preferd 3 turret layouts it can still turn 21 knots which is blazing fast for this period IMHO, has all around better armor.  Layout is AXY and honestly I have plenty of room for the guns.

BB-7 Emilia-Romagna (Cuniberti), Italia Battleship laid down 1900

Displacement:
   13,500 t light; 14,077 t standard; 15,103 t normal; 15,924 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (555.00 ft / 555.00 ft) x 68.00 ft x (26.00 / 27.10 ft)
   (169.16 m / 169.16 m) x 20.73 m  x (7.92 / 8.26 m)

Armament:
      6 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 665.99lbs / 302.09kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority aft
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1900 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 raised mounts
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.01lbs / 5.90kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      Weight of broadside 4,900 lbs / 2,223 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   388.00 ft / 118.26 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   167.00 ft / 50.90 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   388.00 ft / 118.26 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
     Main Belt covers 108 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      6.00" / 152 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm
   4th:   2.00" / 51 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
   Forecastle: 1.50" / 38 mm  Quarter deck: 1.50" / 38 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 11.00" / 279 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 22,500 ihp / 16,785 Kw = 21.02 kts
   Range 5,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,847 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   680 - 885

Cost:
   £1.406 million / $5.625 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 937 tons, 6.2 %
      - Guns: 937 tons, 6.2 %
   Armour: 4,427 tons, 29.3 %
      - Belts: 2,273 tons, 15.0 %
      - Armament: 663 tons, 4.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,346 tons, 8.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 145 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 3,516 tons, 23.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,529 tons, 30.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,603 tons, 10.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 91 tons, 0.6 %
      - On freeboard deck: 91 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     14,124 lbs / 6,407 Kg = 21.2 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.16
   Metacentric height 3.7 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 14.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.66
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.47

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.539 / 0.545
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.16 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.56 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 40 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Forward deck:   20.00 %,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Aft deck:   50.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.15 ft / 5.23 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 102.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 121.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 26,062 Square feet or 2,421 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 96 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 123 lbs/sq ft or 601 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.40
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

91 tons Misc Weight
25 tons long range Wireless
25 tons Reserve long range Wireless
20 tons Improvements to Crew Facilities
11 tons Flag Facilities
  5 tons Improvements to Officers Facilities
  5 tons Improvements to Capitans Quarters

[Tanthalas]

While 1905 is quite a ways off, I decided to mess around with Battlecruisers a bit.  this is a potential 1905 ship layout would be more or less VdT with an 8 gun broadside, Upper belt only covers the hull casemates.  Its a bit lighter armored and a bit slower than I would prefer but all around not a bad ship realy.

ACLX-1, Italia Experimental Large Armored Cruiser laid down 1905 (Engine 1903)

Displacement:
   17,000 t light; 17,745 t standard; 20,335 t normal; 22,407 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (555.00 ft / 555.00 ft) x 86.00 ft x (27.80 / 30.00 ft)
   (169.16 m / 169.16 m) x 26.21 m  x (8.47 / 9.15 m)

Armament:
      8 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 666.00lbs / 302.09kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
     2 x Twin mounts on sides, aft deck centre
      10 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1905 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      Weight of broadside 5,828 lbs / 2,644 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   375.00 ft / 114.30 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   180.00 ft / 54.86 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   6.00" / 152 mm   180.00 ft / 54.86 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
     Main Belt covers 104 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   6.00" / 152 mm   6.00" / 152 mm            -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 8.00" / 203 mm, Aft 6.00" / 152 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 40,000 shp / 29,840 Kw = 23.20 kts
   Range 4,400nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4,663 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   850 - 1,106

Cost:
   £1.822 million / $7.286 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,057 tons, 5.2 %
      - Guns: 1,057 tons, 5.2 %
   Armour: 4,975 tons, 24.5 %
      - Belts: 2,637 tons, 13.0 %
      - Armament: 992 tons, 4.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,121 tons, 5.5 %
      - Conning Towers: 225 tons, 1.1 %
   Machinery: 5,000 tons, 24.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,878 tons, 28.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,335 tons, 16.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 91 tons, 0.4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 91 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     20,642 lbs / 9,363 Kg = 31.0 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 2.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.44
   Metacentric height 7.5 ft / 2.3 m
   Roll period: 13.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.28
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.50

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.536 / 0.548
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.45 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.56 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   18.00 %,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Forward deck:   14.00 %,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Aft deck:   53.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      18.56 ft / 5.66 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 103.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 130.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 32,888 Square feet or 3,055 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 134 lbs/sq ft or 655 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.56
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

91 tons Misc. Weight
25 tons long range Wireless
25 tons Reserve long range Wireless
20 tons improvements to Crew Facilities
11 tons Flag Facilities
  5 tons Improvements to Officer Facilities
  5 tons Improvements to Capitans Quarters

[KWorld]

Given the narrow seas where the RMI operates, is 5 guns per side for keeping off TBs and DDs going to be enough?  Also, given those same seas, are you putting more of a premium on seakeeping than you need to?

[Tanthalas]

I am actualy torn on these issues personaly, I think I have been placing to many anti TB/DD guns on my hulls (seriously 9X4.7" and 4X3" per broadside is kind of...) I can still manage to squeaze in the 8X3" (I did it later but was to lazy to repost) as to the seakeaping on my ships honestly it ends up wherever it ends up... I seriously dont try for any kind of specific number.

Given the narrow seas where the RMI operates, is 5 guns per side for keeping off TBs and DDs going to be enough?  Also, given those same seas, are you putting more of a premium on seakeeping than you need to?

[KWorld]

I am actualy torn on these issues personaly, I think I have been placing to many anti TB/DD guns on my hulls (seriously 9X4.7" and 4X3" per broadside is kind of...) I can still manage to squeaze in the 8X3" (I did it later but was to lazy to repost) as to the seakeaping on my ships honestly it ends up wherever it ends up... I seriously dont try for any kind of specific number.

Given the narrow seas where the RMI operates, is 5 guns per side for keeping off TBs and DDs going to be enough?  Also, given those same seas, are you putting more of a premium on seakeeping than you need to?

Heh, some period designers would think that your 9 4.7" and 4 3" per side is fine, or even light (see the Bureau of Construction plan for what would become the USS Connecticutt class: 4 x 12", 24 x 7", and 24 x 3").  I'm just raising the question.

[Tanthalas]

Oh I know about that one LOL, and yeah I know what your saying I just cant decide how many would be "reasonable" since im not mounting any 6" guns.

I am actualy torn on these issues personaly, I think I have been placing to many anti TB/DD guns on my hulls (seriously 9X4.7" and 4X3" per broadside is kind of...) I can still manage to squeaze in the 8X3" (I did it later but was to lazy to repost) as to the seakeaping on my ships honestly it ends up wherever it ends up... I seriously dont try for any kind of specific number.

Given the narrow seas where the RMI operates, is 5 guns per side for keeping off TBs and DDs going to be enough?  Also, given those same seas, are you putting more of a premium on seakeeping than you need to?

Heh, some period designers would think that your 9 4.7" and 4 3" per side is fine, or even light (see the Bureau of Construction plan for what would become the USS Connecticutt class: 4 x 12", 24 x 7", and 24 x 3").  I'm just raising the question.