Post Startup Ships of the Regia Marina Italiana (1900-19XX)

[Delta Force]

Are you refering to the 3 extra knots it puts on your AC? if you are honestly I had to go atleast 23 knots to be able to scout for my battle line (you know the one with a 20.5 knot fleet speed which last time I looked was faster than your ACs).  Honestly for Italia speed is king, all my ships are stupid fast for the period (and generaly outgun their potential oponents)

as to Turbines, some realy interesting things happen when I plug them into either the RE hull or this one, like on this hull 25 knots with 8X11" and reasonable armor becomes very possible (what im lazy and I like to reuse things).

I'm not really sure that an extra knot of speed is worth making your armored cruiser 4,000 tons heavier. Even ignoring how turbines will make future ships able to easily reach 23 knots, three armored cruisers are going to be more useful than two with a slight speed advantage.

I was referring to the 4,000 ton weight increase over your 22 knot armored cruisers with the same main armament and armor. As for your 9,500 ton armored cruisers compared to my 9,600 armored cruisers, they have different design emphasis. Your ships are more in keeping with the traditional role of armored cruisers while mine are designed to be capable of fighting in the line of battle.

[Tanthalas]

the 22 knot versions were more or less non starters... call them interim designs that didnt make the cut.  as to the armament take a gander in my ships section for the ones im actualy building (same tonage BTW)

Are you refering to the 3 extra knots it puts on your AC? if you are honestly I had to go atleast 23 knots to be able to scout for my battle line (you know the one with a 20.5 knot fleet speed which last time I looked was faster than your ACs).  Honestly for Italia speed is king, all my ships are stupid fast for the period (and generaly outgun their potential oponents)

as to Turbines, some realy interesting things happen when I plug them into either the RE hull or this one, like on this hull 25 knots with 8X11" and reasonable armor becomes very possible (what im lazy and I like to reuse things).

I'm not really sure that an extra knot of speed is worth making your armored cruiser 4,000 tons heavier. Even ignoring how turbines will make future ships able to easily reach 23 knots, three armored cruisers are going to be more useful than two with a slight speed advantage.

I was referring to the 4,000 ton weight increase over your 22 knot armored cruisers with the same main armament and armor. As for your 9,500 ton armored cruisers compared to my 9,600 armored cruisers, they have different design emphasis. Your ships are more in keeping with the traditional role of armored cruisers while mine are designed to be capable of fighting in the line of battle.

[Tanthalas]

CLX, Italia Light Cruiser laid down 1900

Displacement:
   6,000 t light; 6,208 t standard; 7,083 t normal; 7,783 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (494.00 ft / 494.00 ft) x 44.00 ft x (23.00 / 24.70 ft)
   (150.57 m / 150.57 m) x 13.41 m  x (7.01 / 7.53 m)

Armament:
      8 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1900 Model
     6 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
     2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
      Weight of broadside 800 lbs / 363 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 17.0" / 432 mm, 12.00 ft / 3.66 m torpedoes - 0.565 t each, 2.260 t total
   In 4 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.00" / 76 mm   460.00 ft / 140.21 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 143 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2.00" / 51 mm         -         1.00" / 25 mm

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3.00" / 76 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 19,937 ihp / 14,873 Kw = 23.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,575 tons

Complement:
   385 - 501

Cost:
   £0.689 million / $2.755 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 234 tons, 3.3 %
      - Guns: 231 tons, 3.3 %
      - Weapons: 3 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 840 tons, 11.9 %
      - Belts: 530 tons, 7.5 %
      - Armament: 47 tons, 0.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 239 tons, 3.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 24 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 2,832 tons, 40.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,893 tons, 26.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,083 tons, 15.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 201 tons, 2.8 %
      - Hull below water: 201 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3,517 lbs / 1,595 Kg = 32.6 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 1.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.25
   Metacentric height 2.2 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 12.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.53
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.51

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.496 / 0.507
   Length to Beam Ratio: 11.23 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.23 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 41 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Forward deck:   20.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Aft deck:   55.00 %,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Quarter deck:   10.00 %,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.80 ft / 4.51 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 143.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 100.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 14,427 Square feet or 1,340 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 77 lbs/sq ft or 374 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.32
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

201 tons Misc. Weight
  25 tons Marconi
  12 tons torps
  12 tons Crew Comfort
    2 tons Capitans Quarters
150 tons building reserve

[Tanthalas]

Proly wont build any of them but it was interesting enough to warent posting it (note it has a 14 knot cruise which grew her by call it 1K tons over a 10 knot cruise)

CLX, Italia Light Cruiser laid down 1902 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   4,500 t light; 4,686 t standard; 5,744 t normal; 6,590 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (494.00 ft / 494.00 ft) x 44.00 ft x (18.00 / 20.02 ft)
   (150.57 m / 150.57 m) x 13.41 m  x (5.49 / 6.10 m)

Armament:
      4 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 108.92lbs / 49.41kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1902 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 52.35lbs / 23.75kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1902 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 855 lbs / 388 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      6 - 17.0" / 432 mm, 12.00 ft / 3.66 m torpedoes - 0.436 t each, 2.614 t total
   In 6 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 17,513 ihp / 13,064 Kw = 23.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,904 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   329 - 428

Cost:
   £0.581 million / $2.325 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 151 tons, 2.6 %
      - Guns: 147 tons, 2.6 %
      - Weapons: 3 tons, 0.1 %
   Machinery: 2,736 tons, 47.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,576 tons, 27.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,244 tons, 21.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 37 tons, 0.6 %
      - On freeboard deck: 37 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2,812 lbs / 1,276 Kg = 26.0 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.69
   Metacentric height 3.5 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 9.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 78 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.19
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.53

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.514 / 0.530
   Length to Beam Ratio: 11.23 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.23 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 42 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Forward deck:   35.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Quarter deck:   10.00 %,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Average freeboard:      13.50 ft / 4.11 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 161.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 111.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 14,668 Square feet or 1,363 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 69 lbs/sq ft or 337 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.01
      - Longitudinal: 0.99
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

37 tons misc weight
  25 tons Marconi
  12 tons torps

[Tanthalas]

and a 4K ton light 10 knot cruise version (personaly I think the .5 BP is worth it for a 4 knot higher cruise)

CLX, Italia Light Cruiser laid down 1902 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   4,000 t light; 4,164 t standard; 4,638 t normal; 5,018 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (494.00 ft / 494.00 ft) x 44.00 ft x (18.00 / 18.98 ft)
   (150.57 m / 150.57 m) x 13.41 m  x (5.49 / 5.79 m)

Armament:
      4 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 108.92lbs / 49.41kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1902 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 52.35lbs / 23.75kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1902 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 855 lbs / 388 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      6 - 17.0" / 432 mm, 12.00 ft / 3.66 m torpedoes - 0.436 t each, 2.614 t total
   In 6 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 15,062 ihp / 11,236 Kw = 23.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 854 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   280 - 365

Cost:
   £0.508 million / $2.031 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 151 tons, 3.3 %
      - Guns: 147 tons, 3.2 %
      - Weapons: 3 tons, 0.1 %
   Machinery: 2,336 tons, 50.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,476 tons, 31.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 638 tons, 13.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 37 tons, 0.8 %
      - On freeboard deck: 37 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2,073 lbs / 940 Kg = 19.2 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 1.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.57
   Metacentric height 3.1 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 10.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.22
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.51

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.415 / 0.426
   Length to Beam Ratio: 11.23 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.23 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 38 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Forward deck:   35.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Quarter deck:   10.00 %,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Average freeboard:      13.50 ft / 4.11 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 171.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 120.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 13,505 Square feet or 1,255 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 90 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 69 lbs/sq ft or 338 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.99
      - Longitudinal: 1.15
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

37 tons misc weight
  25 tons Marconi
  12 tons torps

[KWorld]

Hmmm, aren't ships of this size limited to a 10:1 length to beam ratio?

[Tanthalas]

*grumbles and goes looking* HA its just like I thought I rememberd its not a hard and fast rule,

Length to Beam Ratios of 12:1 (smaller, faster ships) or 10:1 (larger or slower ships) or less are reasonable and do not risk moderator-inflicted incidents.

so see technicly they arnt ilegal, just at risk of the storyline mod (who would be me) messing with them.    although switching them up to get a 10-1 wouldnt be all that hard.

Hmmm, aren't ships of this size limited to a 10:1 length to beam ratio?

[Tanthalas]

and the latest version, I kind of like this one honestly... at 23 knots its fastish, and has the same range as my ACs and BBs.  3X6" are all centerline and the 8X4.7" are on the sides, giving me a 7 gun broadside... not to bad (and it should all fit although ill have to draw it to be sure)

CLX-3, Italia Light Cruiser laid down 1902 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   3,500 t light; 3,631 t standard; 4,036 t normal; 4,360 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (363.00 ft / 363.00 ft) x 40.30 ft x (18.40 / 19.54 ft)
   (110.64 m / 110.64 m) x 12.28 m  x (5.61 / 5.96 m)

Armament:
      3 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 108.92lbs / 49.41kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1902 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1902 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 727 lbs / 330 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Conning towers: Forward 1.00" / 25 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 15,944 ihp / 11,895 Kw = 23.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 729 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   253 - 329

Cost:
   £0.488 million / $1.952 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 113 tons, 2.8 %
      - Guns: 113 tons, 2.8 %
   Armour: 34 tons, 0.8 %
      - Armament: 28 tons, 0.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 5 tons, 0.1 %
   Machinery: 2,357 tons, 58.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 966 tons, 23.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 536 tons, 13.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 31 tons, 0.8 %
      - On freeboard deck: 31 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     1,222 lbs / 554 Kg = 11.3 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 0.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.73
   Metacentric height 3.1 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 9.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.17
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.19

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.525 / 0.534
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.01 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.05 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 63
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Average freeboard:      11.50 ft / 3.51 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 196.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 84.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 9,973 Square feet or 927 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 75 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 62 lbs/sq ft or 304 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.43
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

31 tons misc weight
25 tons Misc. Weight Wireless
  6 tons reserve/whatever I decide to call it

[KWorld]

The concern I'd have with a ship of this size, as a general purpose cruiser (ie, not a specialized scout or raider) is that the lack of armor makes it vulnerable to shell fragments and smaller guns than normal.  A 6" common shell detonating above the engine room throws fragments through where what could have been a protective deck but isn't, and the ship slows substantially as 1 shaft goes dead.  Etc.

[Tanthalas]

Oh I agree totaly, realy for me anyway if I build them they will be battleline Scouts/Raiders, and if they ran into anything heavier than say a Destroyer or Torpedo Cruiser (although I think France and I are the only ones who built any TCs) they would have to fall back on the ACs or run away depending on the mission they were on.  What I have more or less been trying to come up with is somthing fast enough to run with the Big ACs im building, but cheap enough to be built in larger numbers.

The concern I'd have with a ship of this size, as a general purpose cruiser (ie, not a specialized scout or raider) is that the lack of armor makes it vulnerable to shell fragments and smaller guns than normal.  A 6" common shell detonating above the engine room throws fragments through where what could have been a protective deck but isn't, and the ship slows substantially as 1 shaft goes dead.  Etc.

[Tanthalas]

Newest ship im playing around with, the wing turrets would be like the OTL Dreadnaughts wings and thus incapable of cross deck fire.  Technicly I think its legal (atleast I didnt violate any rules even if it is kinda fishy), truth told it was just an excuse to play around with wing turrets and I decided to post it since we have the thread about turret layout going.

Emilia-Romagna, Italia Battleship laid down 1900

Displacement:
   13,500 t light; 14,104 t standard; 15,044 t normal; 15,796 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (474.00 ft / 474.00 ft) x 73.00 ft x (27.60 / 28.69 ft)
   (144.48 m / 144.48 m) x 22.25 m  x (8.41 / 8.74 m)

Armament:
      8 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 665.99lbs / 302.09kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 raised mount - superfiring
     2 x Twin mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 40.0 cal guns - 49.75lbs / 22.57kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 40.0 cal guns - 49.75lbs / 22.57kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 6,124 lbs / 2,778 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   327.00 ft / 99.67 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   147.00 ft / 44.81 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   6.00" / 152 mm   327.00 ft / 99.67 m   7.00 ft / 2.13 m
     Main Belt covers 106 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 11.00" / 279 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 22,000 ihp / 16,412 Kw = 20.57 kts
   Range 5,200nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,693 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   678 - 882

Cost:
   £1.489 million / $5.956 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,100 tons, 7.3 %
      - Guns: 1,100 tons, 7.3 %
   Armour: 4,200 tons, 27.9 %
      - Belts: 2,345 tons, 15.6 %
      - Armament: 906 tons, 6.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 805 tons, 5.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 144 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 3,437 tons, 22.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,414 tons, 29.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,544 tons, 10.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 348 tons, 2.3 %
      - On freeboard deck: 348 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     11,962 lbs / 5,426 Kg = 18.0 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 1.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
   Metacentric height 4.0 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 15.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.65
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.37

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.551 / 0.557
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.49 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.77 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   19.00 %,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Aft deck:   32.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Quarter deck:   19.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:      15.64 ft / 4.77 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 106.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 100.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 24,171 Square feet or 2,246 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 91 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 136 lbs/sq ft or 664 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.76
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

348 tons Misc weight
  25 tons long range wireless set
323 tons misc weight as yet undesignated (aka it was left over from making the ship weigh what I wanted it to and I havnt decided what to do with it as yet)

[KWorld]

I think it's actually not legal until you get the 1904 BB/AC tech:

1904: All-big-gun ship with wing turrets, superfiring turrets (restricted axial firing arcs), improved turret hydraulics, Torpedo Bulkheads

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[Tanthalas]

that rule is suposed to be for cross deck fire I think (hence my carefull layout to prevent it)... That said you could absolutly be right, im not the rules guy so I will have to leave it up to them to decide.  I could argue its no diferent than AQY layouts (from a pure tonage/cost perspective its actualy inferior) but the reality is like I said I just wanted to play with wing turrets.  im trying to make my dreadnaughts a evolutionary development (and if I wanted to go true dreadnaught style this would be a good step).  Well that and there are so many frekin ABY, AQY, and AXY proposals runing around I wanted somthing diferent.

I think it's actually not legal until you get the 1904 BB/AC tech:

1904: All-big-gun ship with wing turrets, superfiring turrets (restricted axial firing arcs), improved turret hydraulics, Torpedo Bulkheads

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[snip]

Your desire to be unique is going to drive you right back to MMB designs *pushes up hipster glasses*

Anyway, I think that wing turrets means all wing turrets for main guns no mater if capable of cross-decking or not. That being said, how do we apply that rule to intermediary guns?

[KWorld]

By the text itself, and the preceding rules, it doesn't really apply to intermediate guns ("All-big-gun ship ...").