Post Startup Ships of the Regia Marina Italiana (1900-19XX)

[Tanthalas]

Cheated on the report uhm yes and no... it all will fit, in 1950 (just a little judicious editing for the purpose of the prank).

Latin not french (just like all my ship names, although aparently in this case the Latin was close enough to the french to make it obvious)

Please tell me you cheated on the report. I can't believe you can actually put all that on that ship.


P.S.:
Using French is a bit unfair, it was almost certain Jef would catch that immediately

[Nobody]

It's not Latin... okay it's not French either but Italian. If you used Latain it would have been something like this (according to google):
Enim Aprilis Stulte 'Dies

[Tanthalas]

hmmmm musta blown it on that one, I thought I had Google translate permanantly locked on Latin (oh well the point was still made  ;) )

It's not Latin... okay it's not French either but Italian. If you used Latain it would have been something like this (according to google):
Enim Aprilis Stulte 'Dies

[Tanthalas]

and now for a horse of a compleatly diferent color.  Sure the armor is crap, and they are slower than well just about anything, but they do have one realy amazing redeaming value... they are CHEAP, and Fast to produce (and the broadside isnt half bad realy)

Vindex, Italia Colonial Cruiser laid down 1900

Displacement:
   2,500 t light; 2,672 t standard; 3,040 t normal; 3,335 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (252.00 ft / 252.00 ft) x 44.00 ft x (16.00 / 17.27 ft)
   (76.81 m / 76.81 m) x 13.41 m  x (4.88 / 5.26 m)

Armament:
      4 - 8.00" / 203 mm 45.0 cal guns - 258.18lbs / 117.11kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      6 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 1,333 lbs / 605 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.00" / 76 mm   161.00 ft / 49.07 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ends:   2.00" / 51 mm     91.00 ft / 27.74 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   161.00 ft / 49.07 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 98 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   4.00" / 102 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      3.00" / 76 mm
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.00" / 25 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 4.00" / 102 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 3,060 ihp / 2,283 Kw = 15.00 kts
   Range 5,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 663 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   204 - 266

Cost:
   £0.266 million / $1.065 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 338 tons, 11.1 %
      - Guns: 338 tons, 11.1 %
   Armour: 863 tons, 28.4 %
      - Belts: 572 tons, 18.8 %
      - Armament: 122 tons, 4.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 151 tons, 5.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 18 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 478 tons, 15.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 821 tons, 27.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 540 tons, 17.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     4,004 lbs / 1,816 Kg = 15.6 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 1.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.31
   Metacentric height 2.4 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 12.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.75
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.80

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.609
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.73 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.87 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 41
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Forward deck:   40.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Aft deck:   25.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Average freeboard:      12.80 ft / 3.90 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 86.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 97.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 8,108 Square feet or 753 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 82 lbs/sq ft or 400 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.88
      - Longitudinal: 3.17
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Darman]

no armor to speak of though

[KWorld]

Would work quite well for sitting off a desert shore and tossing shells inland at tribal camps.  For that, I might be tempted to trade the twin 8" mounts for single 9.2" mounts, to get the bigger "BOOOM" on both ends. 

[Nobody]

Neither fish nor fowl, so to speak.

They are not fighting ships since they lack speed and armor and for a colonial duty they are overpowered and lack versatility.

I kind of like them.

[eltf177]

They're exactly the sort of ship you'd expect to see around this period. Lots of experimentation with little experience to go by. There were a lot of ideas that looked good on paper that ended up partial or utter failures.

But this is how you learn what works and, more importantly, what you really need to have...

[Jefgte]

Interresting & economical concept.
...Increase to 18kts to work eventualy near a colonial battleline.

Jef

[Tanthalas]

Yes I know it isnt compleatly armored (this is because SS3 is stupid and dosnt realise some of the machinery would be on the wether deck level and to fully armor it the armor belt would be longer than the ship)

Nile, Italia Protected Cruiser laid down 1901 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   3,500 t light; 3,618 t standard; 4,059 t normal; 4,412 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (347.00 ft / 343.00 ft) x 40.00 ft x (18.00 / 19.26 ft)
   (105.76 m / 104.55 m) x 12.19 m  x (5.49 / 5.87 m)

Armament:
      9 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline ends, majority aft
      1 raised mount aft - superfiring
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 450 lbs / 204 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2.00" / 51 mm   222.95 ft / 67.96 m   5.00 ft / 1.52 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.75" / 19 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1.00" / 25 mm
   Forecastle: 0.75" / 19 mm  Quarter deck: 0.75" / 19 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 14,040 ihp / 10,474 Kw = 22.00 kts
   Range 5,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 793 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   253 - 330

Cost:
   £0.441 million / $1.765 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 72 tons, 1.8 %
      - Guns: 72 tons, 1.8 %
   Armour: 285 tons, 7.0 %
      - Belts: 93 tons, 2.3 %
      - Armament: 17 tons, 0.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 174 tons, 4.3 %
   Machinery: 2,115 tons, 52.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 987 tons, 24.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 559 tons, 13.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 41 tons, 1.0 %
      - On freeboard deck: 41 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     1,685 lbs / 764 Kg = 32.5 x 4.7 " / 119 mm shells or 0.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.64
   Metacentric height 2.9 ft / 0.9 m
   Roll period: 9.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.15
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.46

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.575 / 0.584
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.58 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.52 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 52
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 11.30 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Forward deck:   40.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Aft deck:   25.00 %,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 173.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 103.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 9,805 Square feet or 911 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 82 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 60 lbs/sq ft or 295 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.96
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[KWorld]

For protected cruisers, I thought we were using the upper belt vs the main belt.  Also, that is a rather short belt, even for a protected cruiser.