Need some designs, Austria-Hungary

Started by miketr, October 08, 2012, 07:10:48 PM

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KWorld

And a U-boat.....

SMS U-1, Austria-Hungary Submarine laid down 1900

Displacement:
   125 t light; 128 t standard; 138 t normal; 146 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (98.43 ft / 98.43 ft) x 13.12 ft x (8.20 / 8.56 ft)
   (30.00 m / 30.00 m) x 4.00 m  x (2.50 / 2.61 m)

Machinery:
   Petrol Internal combustion generators plus batteries,
   Electric motors, 1 shaft, 177 shp / 132 Kw = 11.00 kts
   Range 1,200nm at 8.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 18 tons

Complement:
   19 - 26

Cost:
   £0.010 million / $0.040 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 40 tons, 29.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 52 tons, 37.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 13 tons, 9.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 33 tons, 24.0 %
      - Hull below water: 33 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     54 lbs / 25 Kg = 0.5 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.28
   Metacentric height 0.4 ft / 0.1 m
   Roll period: 9.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 2 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 0.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.455 / 0.461
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.50 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 9.92 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  0.10 ft / 0.03 m,  0.10 ft / 0.03 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  0.10 ft / 0.03 m,  0.10 ft / 0.03 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  0.10 ft / 0.03 m,  0.10 ft / 0.03 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  0.10 ft / 0.03 m,  0.10 ft / 0.03 m
      - Average freeboard:      0.10 ft / 0.03 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 120.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 0.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 789 Square feet or 73 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 122 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 42 lbs/sq ft or 205 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 2.38
      - Longitudinal: 2.27
      - Overall: 2.30
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Extremely poor accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has quick, lively roll, not a steady gun platform
   Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability

30 tons of below-water miscellaneous weight is ballast tankage.

3 tons of below-water miscellaneous weight support 2 bow 18" torpedo tubes, with 2 reload torpedoes.


Diving depths:
230 feet normal operations
368 feet emergency dive
575 feet crush depth

KWorld

#31
And another alternate AC, replacing the casemate mounted 19cm guns with turreted 19cm guns.

SMS Belgrade, Austria-Hungary Armored Cruiser laid down 1900

Displacement:
   12,160 t light; 12,678 t standard; 13,536 t normal; 14,223 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (492.13 ft / 492.13 ft) x 73.82 ft x (24.61 / 25.57 ft)
   (150.00 m / 150.00 m) x 22.50 m  x (7.50 / 7.79 m)

Armament:
      4 - 9.45" / 240 mm 45.0 cal guns - 425.38lbs / 192.95kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      6 - 7.48" / 190 mm 45.0 cal guns - 211.07lbs / 95.74kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 - 2.76" / 70.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 9.92lbs / 4.50kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      4 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.20lbs / 1.45kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 double raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 3,139 lbs / 1,424 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   6.69" / 170 mm   378.94 ft / 115.50 m   10.66 ft / 3.25 m
   Ends:   4.72" / 120 mm   113.16 ft / 34.49 m   11.48 ft / 3.50 m
   Upper:   4.72" / 120 mm   378.94 ft / 115.50 m   8.20 ft / 2.50 m
     Main Belt covers 118 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.45" / 240 mm   5.91" / 150 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   5.91" / 150 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      5.91" / 150 mm
   3rd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1.57" / 40 mm
   Forecastle: 1.18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 7.87" / 200 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 26,212 ihp / 19,554 Kw = 22.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,544 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   626 - 815

Cost:
   £1.286 million / $5.146 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 770 tons, 5.7 %
      - Guns: 770 tons, 5.7 %
   Armour: 3,581 tons, 26.5 %
      - Belts: 1,954 tons, 14.4 %
      - Armament: 811 tons, 6.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 720 tons, 5.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 96 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 4,096 tons, 30.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,676 tons, 27.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,376 tons, 10.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 37 tons, 0.3 %
      - Hull below water: 12 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     9,514 lbs / 4,315 Kg = 22.6 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.31
   Metacentric height 5.2 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 13.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.24
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.21

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.530 / 0.536
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.67 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.18 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   16.00 %,  17.22 ft / 5.25 m,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Aft deck:   47.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   7.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      13.79 ft / 4.20 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 117.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 101.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 24,884 Square feet or 2,312 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 93 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 117 lbs/sq ft or 573 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.98
      - Longitudinal: 1.26
      - Overall: 1.01
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Below-water miscellaneous weight accounts for 4 18" submerged broadside torpedo tubes, with 8 reload torpedoes.

Above-deck miscellaneous weight allows for a long-range wireless set.

eltf177

Quote from: KWorld on March 06, 2013, 09:56:19 AM
And another alternate AC, replacing the casemate mounted 19cm guns with turreted 19cm guns.

SMS Belgrade, Austria-Hungary Armored Cruiser laid down 1900

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   ERROR: Revise drives, 2 shafts, 26,212 ihp / 19,554 Kw = 22.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,544 tons (100% coal)

I notice both designs have this "revise drive" error, not sure what that's all about...

Walter

QuoteI notice both designs have this "revise drive" error, not sure what that's all about...
Probably something with the direct drive/geared drive/etc options sellected. Probably something done there that SS does not like.

KWorld

Quote from: Walter on March 07, 2013, 04:07:47 AM
QuoteI notice both designs have this "revise drive" error, not sure what that's all about...
Probably something with the direct drive/geared drive/etc options sellected. Probably something done there that SS does not like.

It was that somehow both the Direct and Electric drive options got clicked, SS doesn't like that.  Fixed.

KWorld

And a new TB design, intended to go fast in a relatively calm sea.

TB, Austria Torpedo boat laid down 1900

Displacement:
   260 t light; 269 t standard; 298 t normal; 321 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (199.16 ft / 196.85 ft) x 18.86 ft x (7.38 / 7.74 ft)
   (60.71 m / 60.00 m) x 5.75 m  x (2.25 / 2.36 m)

Armament:
      2 - 2.76" / 70.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 9.92lbs / 4.50kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.00lbs / 1.36kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 26 lbs / 12 kg

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 5,320 ihp / 3,968 Kw = 25.00 kts
   Range 140nm at 25.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 52 tons (100% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   35 - 46

Cost:
   £0.036 million / $0.144 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 6 tons, 2.1 %
      - Guns: 6 tons, 2.1 %
   Machinery: 181 tons, 60.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 69 tons, 23.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 37 tons, 12.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 4 tons, 1.3 %
      - On freeboard deck: 4 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     58 lbs / 26 Kg = 5.5 x 2.8 " / 70 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.31
   Metacentric height 0.7 ft / 0.2 m
   Roll period: 9.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.11
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.380 / 0.391
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.43 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 14.03 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 76
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  12.30 ft / 3.75 m
      - Forward deck:   10.00 %,  12.30 ft / 3.75 m,  12.30 ft / 3.75 m
      - Aft deck:   55.00 %,  5.74 ft / 1.75 m,  5.74 ft / 1.75 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  5.74 ft / 1.75 m,  5.74 ft / 1.75 m
      - Average freeboard:      7.78 ft / 2.37 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 201.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 82.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 2,256 Square feet or 210 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 18 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 17 lbs/sq ft or 81 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.56
      - Overall: 0.56
   Extremely poor machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Carries 2 torpedoes in single center-line roatable mounts, with 2 more in fixed deck mounts.


Trials speed 30.36 knots

Cruise range at 10 knots is 1700 nm.