Starting Nation economic strength

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OK, from that I get the impression that IP by themselves are not overly useful, they're the countries industrial capacity, not what it can spend.  If that's the case, and a country like the UK is limited by it's budget rather than it's industry (certainly true), then yeah, those numbers could work.  Certainly the UK was capable of building it's own warships plus warships for other countries plus merchantmen  without problem in this period.

You would be correct. Nations further down the industrial scale would have there IP value fall off more quickly then there cash. This would be to allow those nations the ability to purchase warships from those nations with surplus IP that can build them for them.

[Darman]

This seems agreeable to me. 

Now I do have a question, brought up by the comment made about how the British were able to build warships for themselves, other nations, and also a merchant marine second to none.  If a nation has excess Industrial Points can it be turned into merchant marine tonnage?  Said tonnage can then be sold or leased to other nations for military purposes (troop transporting or resupply perhaps?).

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Going to have to think about the MM.

[Darman]

Going to have to think about the MM.

Fair enough.  It doesn't have to mean anything for economics.  Obviously once a war starts and commerce raiding comes into effect then yes, you will lose tonnage and it will have an effect on your economy.  But its more for fluff.  The military applications, i.e. transporting troops, all you need is to know you need X tons per soldier or X tons per corps to transport them. 

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A very quick job with some numbers.

Nation	Class	$ per Turn	IP per turn
United Kingdom	Major Power	$300.00	100,000
Germany	Major Power	$265.00	87,000
United States	Major Power	$270.00	80,000
France	Major Power	$260.00	70,000
Italy	Minor Power	$240.00	57,500
Russia	Minor Power	$235.00	52,500
Japan	Minor Power	$240.00	50,000
Austria-Hungary	Minor Power	$220.00	50,000
Spain	Large Purchaser	$225.00	45,000
Brazil	Large Purchaser	$175.00	25,000
Netherlands	Large Purchaser	$200.00	35,000
Argentina	Large Purchaser	$125.00	20,000
Chile	Large Purchaser	$100.00	35,000
Generic Small	Small Purchaser	$65.00	10,000

Thoughts?

Fair enough.  It doesn't have to mean anything for economics.  Obviously once a war starts and commerce raiding comes into effect then yes, you will lose tonnage and it will have an effect on your economy.  But its more for fluff.  The military applications, i.e. transporting troops, all you need is to know you need X tons per soldier or X tons per corps to transport them. 

It might just end up being that you have a "pool" of MM tonnage to use. That seems simple but still allows us to track it.

[Tanthalas]

Looks ok to me, dont supose I could convince ya to bump Italy up 2500 IP by any chance.  a question on this system how many purchasers do we have planing to play? cause as is everyone in the power catagory looks like they could end up with excess capacity, and nothing to do with it.

[Darman]

Fair enough.  It doesn't have to mean anything for economics.  Obviously once a war starts and commerce raiding comes into effect then yes, you will lose tonnage and it will have an effect on your economy.  But its more for fluff.  The military applications, i.e. transporting troops, all you need is to know you need X tons per soldier or X tons per corps to transport them. 

It might just end up being that you have a "pool" of MM tonnage to use. That seems simple but still allows us to track it.

A pool of merchant tonnage is pretty much what I'm talking about.  It would allow you to increase your merchant marine or make good losses. 


Now... are we going to include the Ottoman Empire as a Large Purchaser?

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Now... are we going to include the Ottoman Empire as a Large Purchaser?

*smacks forhead* knew I was forgetting someone... I would think they would be about were Brazill sits.

Looks ok to me, dont supose I could convince ya to bump Italy up 2500 IP by any chance.  a question on this system how many purchasers do we have planing to play? cause as is everyone in the power catagory looks like they could end up with excess capacity, and nothing to do with it.

We might need to take the minor powers and purchasers down more on the industrial front, which would mean no buff for Italy. I want a few more people's input before I fiddle more.

[Tanthalas]

I think the split for the top 5 is about right, I just wanted the boost because I hate odd numbers.  The proposed system would work great if there were enough net buyers to take up the extra production.  As its not that the split is wrong its that there are literaly 0 PCs to sell ships to (unless we each take an NPC to manage which IDK feals dodgy to me)

im proly not coming across like I want to but can you see my point?

[Darman]

  As its not that the split is wrong its that there are literaly 0 PCs to sell ships to (unless we each take an NPC to manage which IDK feals dodgy to me)

Hey now!  I'm not dodgy... I just avoid things....

I am caretaking for Austro-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire in addition to my beloved Empire of Japan

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I get your point. Like I said, want those of us from Europe who havent seen this to see it before I tweek to much more.

[Desertfox]

Any chance I can push for a Greater Mexico? At a minor power level? The US alone as a major power in America is in my opinion a bad thing.

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Any chance I can push for a Greater Mexico? At a minor power level? The US alone as a major power in America is in my opinion a bad thing.

No. I would like historical powers filled before any are inflated far beyond there OTL pecking order. What would you like?

[Desertfox]

Arent all the other powers filled? I really feel a US as a major power alone in the continent is a really bad idea. Europe will be nicely balanced, and Japan is small enough, but the US can disrupt the balance of power just as it did in OTL.

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We still have several nations in Europe and South America that could be filled. Holland, Denmark, Nordic state(s), Ottomans or A-H if you can fight Darman for them, the ABC powers, etc. All these nations historically had largish navies or the ambition (and therefor ability to some extent of the definition) to build one.