France ships

KWorld · December 04, 2012, 04:58:29 AM

I would suspect that the reasoning behind the shape is to keep it short enough to be repaired in colonial drydocks. A couple posts ago Jef suggested that he was, at least for the moment, going to be limiting his protected cruisers to 120m in length, which isn't helpful at this time for speed.

Jefgte · December 04, 2012, 05:45:00 AM

QuoteI would suspect that the reasoning behind the shape is to keep it short enough to be repaired in colonial drydocks. A couple posts ago Jef suggested that he was,...

KW is right

;D ;D ;D

KWorld · December 04, 2012, 06:42:52 AM

There are some issues with the design, though:

1 - It's lacking the upper belt armor needed to sim a protected cruiser.

2 - The 5.5" guns can't decide whether they're breech-loaders or quick-firing (should be breech-loaders).

3 - The 100mm guns should be quick-firers.

4 - Still not sure why the MN would be using a 7.6mm machinegun, the period French machine gun is the Hotchkiss Mle 1897, in 8x50R Lebel.

Jefgte · December 04, 2012, 09:58:56 AM

Work on this class is in progress...

I have an other option, the reuse of AT3 concept, actualy in France Shipyards, with more displacement, guns & protection.

http://www.navalism.org/index.php/topic,5951.0.html

Jef

KWorld · December 04, 2012, 10:02:18 AM

Heh, well, with more displacement, guns, and protection, the AT3 might be OK. :) Won't be a lot left of the design, but that's OK.

Jefgte · December 05, 2012, 06:04:04 PM

Starting from 4200t - AT3 class,
Here is 4800t - CP 1901 - 8 ships in the plan.
Engines are identical - 17500SHP

CP1901, France CP1901 laid down 1901 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   4 800 t light; 4 961 t standard; 5 616 t normal; 6 140 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (393.00 ft / 391.00 ft) x 50.52 ft x (17.01 / 18.30 ft)
   (119.79 m / 119.18 m) x 15.40 m x (5.18 / 5.58 m)

Armament:
2 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.90lbs / 38.05kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1901 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.90lbs / 38.05kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1901 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
2 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.08lbs / 14.10kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft deck forward
2 - 0.32" / 8.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 3 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      2 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 566 lbs / 257 kg
Main Torpedoes
2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.15 ft / 4.92 m torpedoes - 0.570 t each, 1.140 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
2nd Torpedoes
2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.15 ft / 4.92 m torpedoes - 0.591 t each, 1.182 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
- Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   0.99" / 25 mm   390.00 ft / 118.87 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 153 % of normal length

- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.77" / 20 mm     -         0.77" / 20 mm
   2nd:   0.77" / 20 mm     -         0.77" / 20 mm
   3rd:   0.40" / 10 mm     -           -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.38" / 35 mm
   Forecastle: 0.99" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 0.99" / 25 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 17 500 ihp / 13 055 Kw = 22.28 kts
   Range 6 700nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 179 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   323 - 421

Cost:
   £0.602 million / $2.406 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 148 tons, 2.6 %
     - Guns: 144 tons, 2.6 %
     - Weapons: 4 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 472 tons, 8.4 %
     - Belts: 115 tons, 2.1 %
     - Armament: 15 tons, 0.3 %
     - Armour Deck: 342 tons, 6.1 %
   Machinery: 2 734 tons, 48.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 405 tons, 25.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 816 tons, 14.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 41 tons, 0.7 %
     - Hull below water: 5 tons
     - On freeboard deck: 36 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2 481 lbs / 1 125 Kg = 29.8 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.74
   Metacentric height 4.5 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 10.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.12
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.22

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.585 / 0.595
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.74 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.77 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
     - Forecastle:   20.00 %, 14.78 ft / 4.50 m, 12.78 ft / 3.90 m
     - Forward deck:   30.00 %, 12.78 ft / 3.90 m, 11.80 ft / 3.60 m
     - Aft deck:   30.00 %, 11.80 ft / 3.60 m, 11.80 ft / 3.60 m
     - Quarter deck:   20.00 %, 11.80 ft / 3.60 m, 11.80 ft / 3.60 m
     - Average freeboard:      12.30 ft / 3.75 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 167.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 100.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 14 246 Square feet or 1 323 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 87 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 71 lbs/sq ft or 348 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.98
      - Longitudinal: 1.22
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Misc weight
5t for 8 torp
36t for 36 minen

Jefgte · December 08, 2012, 05:17:42 PM

4xAC laid down in 1901H2 - built to reinforce colonial squadrons

AC-1901, France Station 1901-AC laid down 1901 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   8 000 t light; 8 412 t standard; 9 329 t normal; 10 063 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (393.00 ft / 390.00 ft) x 65.62 ft x (21.81 / 23.20 ft)
   (119.79 m / 118.87 m) x 20.00 m x (6.65 / 7.07 m)

Armament:
4 - 10.77" / 274 mm 40.0 cal guns - 598.64lbs / 271.54kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1901 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.91lbs / 38.06kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1901 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.13lbs / 14.12kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      4 raised mounts
2 - 0.32" / 8.0 mm 46.5 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 3 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides forward
      2 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 3 190 lbs / 1 447 kg
Main Torpedoes
2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.15 ft / 4.92 m torpedoes - 0.591 t each, 1.182 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
2nd Torpedoes
2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.15 ft / 4.92 m torpedoes - 0.591 t each, 1.182 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
- Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5.90" / 150 mm   341.20 ft / 104.00 m   7.86 ft / 2.40 m
   Ends:   1.57" / 40 mm     36.10 ft / 11.00 m   6.57 ft / 2.00 m
     12.70 ft / 3.87 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   1.57" / 40 mm   341.20 ft / 104.00 m   9.18 ft / 2.80 m
     Main Belt covers 135 % of normal length

- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5.90" / 150 mm   1.77" / 45 mm      5.90" / 150 mm
   2nd:   1.57" / 40 mm   0.80" / 20 mm      1.57" / 40 mm
   3rd:   0.40" / 10 mm     -           -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.57" / 40 mm
   Forecastle: 0.99" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 0.99" / 25 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 5.90" / 150 mm, Aft 2.95" / 75 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 20 000 ihp / 14 920 Kw = 21.12 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 651 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   474 - 617

Cost:
   £0.954 million / $3.817 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 517 tons, 5.5 %
     - Guns: 512 tons, 5.5 %
     - Weapons: 5 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 1 717 tons, 18.4 %
     - Belts: 864 tons, 9.3 %
     - Armament: 274 tons, 2.9 %
     - Armour Deck: 494 tons, 5.3 %
     - Conning Towers: 84 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 3 125 tons, 33.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 561 tons, 27.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 329 tons, 14.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 80 tons, 0.9 %
     - On freeboard deck: 80 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5 566 lbs / 2 525 Kg = 8.9 x 10.8 " / 274 mm shells or 2.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.47
   Metacentric height 5.2 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 12.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.32
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.16

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.585 / 0.593
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.94 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.75 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
     - Forecastle:   20.00 %, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m, 14.10 ft / 4.30 m
     - Forward deck:   30.00 %, 14.10 ft / 4.30 m, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
     - Aft deck:   30.00 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
     - Quarter deck:   20.00 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
     - Average freeboard:      13.65 ft / 4.16 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 133.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 99.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 18 456 Square feet or 1 715 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 91 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 107 lbs/sq ft or 522 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.86
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Tanthalas · December 08, 2012, 05:25:22 PM

arnt the belts kinda IDK Verticly challenged on that AC jef? id think you would want more than 2.4 meters on the main belt anyway, even if it is just a station ship.

Jefgte · December 08, 2012, 05:56:12 PM

Quotearnt the belts kinda IDK Verticly challenged on that AC jef? id think you would want more than 2.4 meters on the main belt anyway, even if it is just a station ship.

OK, now, the upper belt is just 1 deck height : 2.4m & the main belt is now 3.00m height.
Finaly a better ship...

Tks Tan ;)
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AC-1901, France Station AC laid down 1901 (Engine 1900)

Clovis, France AC laid down 1901 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   9 300 t light; 9 738 t standard; 10 748 t normal; 11 555 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (393.20 ft / 393.20 ft) x 72.17 ft x (21.33 / 22.67 ft)
   (119.85 m / 119.85 m) x 22.00 m x (6.50 / 6.91 m)

Armament:
4 - 10.77" / 274 mm 40.0 cal guns - 598.64lbs / 271.54kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1901 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.91lbs / 38.06kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1901 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.13lbs / 14.12kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
4 - 0.30" / 7.6 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 3 315 lbs / 1 504 kg
Main Torpedoes
2 - 15.8" / 400 mm, 15.66 ft / 4.77 m torpedoes - 0.464 t each, 0.928 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
2nd Torpedoes
2 - 15.8" / 400 mm, 15.66 ft / 4.77 m torpedoes - 0.464 t each, 0.928 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
- Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.87" / 200 mm   321.52 ft / 98.00 m   7.86 ft / 2.40 m
   Ends:   2.95" / 75 mm     60.00 ft / 18.29 m   7.22 ft / 2.20 m
     11.68 ft / 3.56 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   2.95" / 75 mm   321.52 ft / 98.00 m   7.55 ft / 2.30 m
     Main Belt covers 126 % of normal length

- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.87" / 200 mm   2.95" / 75 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   1.57" / 40 mm   0.80" / 20 mm      1.57" / 40 mm
   3rd:   0.40" / 10 mm     -           -
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm     -           -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.77" / 45 mm
   Forecastle: 0.99" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 0.99" / 25 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 7.87" / 200 mm, Aft 5.90" / 150 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 22 000 ihp / 16 412 Kw = 21.01 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 817 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   527 - 686

Cost:
   £1.050 million / $4.198 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 539 tons, 5.0 %
     - Guns: 535 tons, 5.0 %
     - Weapons: 4 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 2 350 tons, 21.9 %
     - Belts: 1 191 tons, 11.1 %
     - Armament: 387 tons, 3.6 %
     - Armour Deck: 628 tons, 5.8 %
     - Conning Towers: 144 tons, 1.3 %
   Machinery: 3 437 tons, 32.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 915 tons, 27.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 448 tons, 13.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 58 tons, 0.5 %
     - On freeboard deck: 58 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     7 367 lbs / 3 341 Kg = 11.8 x 10.8 " / 274 mm shells or 3.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.49
   Metacentric height 6.0 ft / 1.8 m
   Roll period: 12.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.25
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.12

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.621 / 0.629
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.45 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.83 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 64
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
     - Forecastle:   20.00 %, 17.05 ft / 5.20 m, 13.78 ft / 4.20 m
     - Forward deck:   25.00 %, 13.78 ft / 4.20 m, 13.78 ft / 4.20 m
     - Aft deck:   35.00 %, 13.78 ft / 4.20 m, 13.78 ft / 4.20 m
     - Quarter deck:   20.00 %, 13.78 ft / 4.20 m, 13.78 ft / 4.20 m
     - Average freeboard:      14.04 ft / 4.28 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 125.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 105.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 21 173 Square feet or 1 967 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 93 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 110 lbs/sq ft or 539 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.77
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Clovis-Charles Martel-Charlemagne-Hugues Capet-Saint Louis-François I-Henri IV-Louis XIV-

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canonnière légère, France channel gunboat laid down 1902 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   125 t light; 156 t standard; 164 t normal; 170 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (98.42 ft / 98.42 ft) x 16.42 ft x (5.72 / 5.91 ft)
   (30.00 m / 30.00 m) x 5.00 m x (1.74 / 1.80 m)

Armament:
1 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal gun - 83.91lbs / 38.06kg shells, 500 per gun
     Breech loading gun in deck mount, 1902 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck centre
2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.96lbs / 5.88kg shells, 280 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1902 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread
2 - 0.32" / 8.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.00kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1902 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      2 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 110 lbs / 50 kg

Armour:
- Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   0.77" / 20 mm     72.17 ft / 22.00 m   4.92 ft / 1.50 m
   Ends:   0.58" / 15 mm     26.25 ft / 8.00 m   4.92 ft / 1.50 m
     Main Belt covers 113 % of normal length

- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.77" / 20 mm     -           -
   2nd:   0.40" / 10 mm     -           -
   3rd:   0.40" / 10 mm     -           -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 0.58" / 15 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 0.77" / 20 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 200 ihp / 149 Kw = 10.86 kts
   Range 1 000nm at 8.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 14 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   22 - 29

Cost:
   £0.014 million / $0.056 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 18 tons, 10.7 %
     - Guns: 18 tons, 10.7 %
   Armour: 30 tons, 18.3 %
     - Belts: 15 tons, 8.9 %
     - Armament: 6 tons, 3.7 %
     - Armour Deck: 9 tons, 5.5 %
     - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 31 tons, 19.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 40 tons, 24.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 39 tons, 23.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 6 tons, 3.7 %
     - On freeboard deck: 6 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     176 lbs / 80 Kg = 2.1 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.37
   Metacentric height 0.6 ft / 0.2 m
   Roll period: 9.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.75
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.23

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, rise aft of midbreak, low quarterdeck ,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.620 / 0.624
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.99 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 9.92 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
     - Forecastle:   15.00 %, 3.95 ft / 1.20 m, 5.92 ft / 1.80 m
     - Forward deck:   15.00 %, 3.95 ft / 1.20 m, 3.95 ft / 1.20 m
     - Aft deck:   40.00 %, 5.92 ft / 1.80 m, 5.92 ft / 1.80 m
     - Quarter deck:   30.00 %, 3.95 ft / 1.20 m, 3.95 ft / 1.20 m
     - Average freeboard:      4.92 ft / 1.50 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 107.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 54.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 1 182 Square feet or 110 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 28 lbs/sq ft or 137 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.89
      - Longitudinal: 2.78
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Jefgte · December 14, 2012, 02:56:41 AM

Decrease range from 1000nm to 500nm - enough for river work
Increase qty of shells to 600

canonnière légère, France Rriver Gunboat laid down 1902 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   125 t light; 160 t standard; 165 t normal; 168 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (98.42 ft / 98.42 ft) x 16.42 ft x (5.75 / 5.85 ft)
   (30.00 m / 30.00 m) x 5.00 m x (1.75 / 1.78 m)

Armament:
1 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal gun - 83.91lbs / 38.06kg shells, 600 per gun
     Breech loading gun in deck mount, 1902 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck centre
2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.96lbs / 5.88kg shells, 270 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1902 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread
2 - 0.32" / 8.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.00kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1902 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      2 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 110 lbs / 50 kg

Armour:
- Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   0.77" / 20 mm     72.17 ft / 22.00 m   4.92 ft / 1.50 m
   Ends:   0.58" / 15 mm     26.25 ft / 8.00 m   4.92 ft / 1.50 m
     Main Belt covers 113 % of normal length

- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.77" / 20 mm     -           -
   2nd:   0.40" / 10 mm     -           -
   3rd:   0.40" / 10 mm     -           -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 0.58" / 15 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 0.77" / 20 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 200 ihp / 150 Kw = 10.86 kts
   Range 500nm at 8.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 8 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   22 - 29

Cost:
   £0.014 million / $0.056 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 18 tons, 10.7 %
     - Guns: 18 tons, 10.7 %
   Armour: 30 tons, 18.2 %
     - Belts: 15 tons, 8.8 %
     - Armament: 6 tons, 3.6 %
     - Armour Deck: 9 tons, 5.5 %
     - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 31 tons, 19.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 40 tons, 24.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 40 tons, 24.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 6 tons, 3.6 %
     - On freeboard deck: 6 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     168 lbs / 76 Kg = 2.0 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.37
   Metacentric height 0.6 ft / 0.2 m
   Roll period: 9.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.74
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.23

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, rise aft of midbreak, low quarterdeck ,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.620 / 0.622
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.99 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 9.92 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
     - Forecastle:   15.00 %, 3.95 ft / 1.20 m, 5.92 ft / 1.80 m
     - Forward deck:   15.00 %, 3.95 ft / 1.20 m, 3.95 ft / 1.20 m
     - Aft deck:   40.00 %, 5.92 ft / 1.80 m, 5.92 ft / 1.80 m
     - Quarter deck:   30.00 %, 3.95 ft / 1.20 m, 3.95 ft / 1.20 m
     - Average freeboard:      4.92 ft / 1.50 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 109.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 54.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 1 182 Square feet or 110 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 28 lbs/sq ft or 137 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.89
      - Longitudinal: 2.77
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Jefgte · December 26, 2012, 05:13:57 AM

Casablanca-Libreville- Dakar-Abidjan, France Supply vessel laid down 1895

Displacement:
   1 750 t light; 1 812 t standard; 3 039 t normal; 4 020 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (229.00 ft / 229.00 ft) x 43.97 ft x (16.25 / 20.77 ft)
   (69.80 m / 69.80 m) x 13.40 m x (4.95 / 6.33 m)

Armament:
2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 250 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1895 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 500 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides forward
      2 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 6 lbs / 3 kg

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 1 321 ihp / 986 Kw = 11.88 kts
   Range 17 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 209 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   204 - 266

Cost:
   £0.096 million / $0.385 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2 tons, 0.1 %
     - Guns: 2 tons, 0.1 %
   Machinery: 245 tons, 8.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 633 tons, 20.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 289 tons, 42.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 870 tons, 28.6 %
     - Hull below water: 370 tons
     - Hull above water: 400 tons
     - On freeboard deck: 100 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     6 370 lbs / 2 889 Kg = 2 012.0 x 1.9 " / 47 mm shells or 1.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.70
   Metacentric height 3.5 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 9.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck ,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.650 / 0.673
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.21 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.13 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 42 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
     - Forecastle:   15.00 %, 14.78 ft / 4.50 m, 14.78 ft / 4.50 m
     - Forward deck:   35.00 %, 10.82 ft / 3.30 m, 10.82 ft / 3.30 m
     - Aft deck:   35.00 %, 10.82 ft / 3.30 m, 10.82 ft / 3.30 m
     - Quarter deck:   15.00 %, 14.78 ft / 4.50 m, 14.78 ft / 4.50 m
     - Average freeboard:      12.01 ft / 3.66 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 55.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 76.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 7 606 Square feet or 707 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 222 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 55 lbs/sq ft or 267 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.57
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

coal: 2200t
Amunition: 350t
Materials:200t
Food: 320t

Jefgte · December 26, 2012, 10:02:52 AM

Fort de France-Pointe à Pitre-Cayenne-Saint Laurent, France Supply vessel laid down 1898

Displacement:
   1 900 t light; 1 967 t standard; 3 301 t normal; 4 367 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (229.00 ft / 229.00 ft) x 47.70 ft x (16.27 / 20.80 ft)
   (69.80 m / 69.80 m) x 14.54 m x (4.96 / 6.34 m)

Armament:
2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 250 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1898 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 500 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides forward
      2 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 6 lbs / 3 kg

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 1 401 ihp / 1 045 Kw = 11.88 kts
   Range 18 420nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 400 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   217 - 283

Cost:
   £0.103 million / $0.411 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2 tons, 0.1 %
     - Guns: 2 tons, 0.1 %
   Machinery: 252 tons, 7.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 671 tons, 20.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 400 tons, 42.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 975 tons, 29.5 %
     - Hull below water: 400 tons
     - Hull above water: 200 tons
     - On freeboard deck: 375 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     8 234 lbs / 3 735 Kg = 2 601.1 x 1.9 " / 47 mm shells or 2.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.68
   Metacentric height 3.9 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 10.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck ,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.650 / 0.673
   Length to Beam Ratio: 4.80 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.13 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
     - Forecastle:   15.00 %, 14.78 ft / 4.50 m, 14.78 ft / 4.50 m
     - Forward deck:   35.00 %, 10.82 ft / 3.30 m, 10.82 ft / 3.30 m
     - Aft deck:   35.00 %, 10.82 ft / 3.30 m, 10.82 ft / 3.30 m
     - Quarter deck:   15.00 %, 14.78 ft / 4.50 m, 14.78 ft / 4.50 m
     - Average freeboard:      12.01 ft / 3.66 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 46.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 78.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 8 251 Square feet or 767 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 222 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 55 lbs/sq ft or 270 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.59
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

coal: 2400t
Amunition: 400t
Materials:200t
Food: 375t

KWorld · December 26, 2012, 04:34:15 PM

On ships like these, and other vessels that carry fuel, should we sim them using extra range or make use of the fact that SS3 already has the capability to sim below-decks cargo? If you sim the fuel cargo as ship fuel, the ship's displacement is artificially low, compared to a ship designed to carry cargo or passengers. This was neccessary with SS2, because it assumed cargo was on the deck, but SS3 doesn't make that assumption and allows you to place your cargo as needed.