New World Ships...

[snip]

quite the legs you have given her

[Carthaginian]

Good legs, don't see anything wrong with the guns except for the loads of MG's... well within the rules.

Short armor belt, high freeboard... study the performance of the Infanta Maria Teresa class in the battle of Santiago de Cuba if you want to find out what she'll be like in battle. Are the mines in a handling deck or on the weather deck? They and the above water torpedoes are a big fire hazard either way.

All in all, I don't have any complaints.
A good starter ship.
Good character- not a bad ship, but good historic problems to add flavor.

Just remember, long legs don't reduce ship cost- we use Normal tonnage rather than Light tonnage when computing cost.

[Desertfox]

Well she is supposed to be a true cruiser, operating independently for long periods of time, and at high speeds, hence the long legs. Armament is split into 4 turrets to make her look more imposing as showing the flag would be a secondary role. Mines would probably not be carried on a regular basis, but its better to have the flexibility if needed.

[Desertfox]

A small CDS.


Mastin, Aztlan Coastal Battleship laid down 1905

Displacement:
   3,544 t light; 3,779 t standard; 4,000 t normal; 4,177 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (303.00 ft / 300.00 ft) x 55.00 ft x (15.50 / 16.04 ft)
   (92.35 m / 91.44 m) x 16.76 m  x (4.72 / 4.89 m)

Armament:
      4 - 10.00" / 254 mm 45.0 cal guns - 504.26lbs / 228.73kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 5.00" / 127 mm 45.0 cal guns - 63.03lbs / 28.59kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1905 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 2,527 lbs / 1,146 kg
      Mines
      50 - 500.00 lbs / 226.80 kg mines - 11.161 t total
   in Above water - Stern racks/rails

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5.00" / 127 mm   200.00 ft / 60.96 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   1.00" / 25 mm   100.00 ft / 30.48 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
     Main Belt covers 103 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5.00" / 127 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      5.00" / 127 mm
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm
   3rd:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.00" / 25 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 5.00" / 127 mm, Aft 1.00" / 25 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 2,650 ihp / 1,977 Kw = 14.00 kts
   Range 3,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 398 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   250 - 326

Cost:
   £0.414 million / $1.658 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 599 tons, 15.0 %
      - Guns: 585 tons, 14.6 %
      - Weapons: 14 tons, 0.3 %
   Armour: 966 tons, 24.2 %
      - Belts: 480 tons, 12.0 %
      - Armament: 240 tons, 6.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 214 tons, 5.4 %
      - Conning Towers: 33 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 380 tons, 9.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,550 tons, 38.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 456 tons, 11.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 1.3 %
      - Hull above water: 50 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5,769 lbs / 2,617 Kg = 11.5 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.33
   Metacentric height 3.4 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 12.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.74
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.92

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a round stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.547 / 0.552
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.45 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.32 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 39 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 37
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.24 ft / 4.34 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 85.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 122.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 11,487 Square feet or 1,067 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 112 lbs/sq ft or 548 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 3.09
      - Overall: 1.01
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Carthaginian]

Very thin main belt, and very short for a 14' freeboard.
You're still looking at only about 4'-5' above the waterline.
That's gonna be a large area for QF guns to attack; additionally the end belts are going to be ineffective against anything over about 20mm-25mm. I daresay that they will only serve to detonate lighter shells that would normally go through-and-through.

Still- she is economical, contains a lot of firepower, and the mine racks would allow her to prepare her own positions on the fly... as long as she isn't caught carrying a load on her back.

[Desertfox]

Ok, SS3 is becoming really annoying. Went through everything can't find the problem. Ignore the torpedoes and A/S mortars, supposed to represent something else.

Bellerophon, AIS Cruiser laid down 1905
DESIGN FAILURE: Ship will capsize

Displacement:
   2,891 t light; 3,030 t standard; 3,500 t normal; 3,876 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (403.53 ft / 400.00 ft) x 50.00 ft x (12.00 / 12.98 ft)
   (122.99 m / 121.92 m) x 15.24 m  x (3.66 / 3.96 m)

Armament:
      3 - 7.00" / 178 mm 45.0 cal guns - 172.96lbs / 78.45kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1905 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      4 - 5.00" / 127 mm 45.0 cal guns - 63.03lbs / 28.59kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1905 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 30.0 cal guns - 12.44lbs / 5.64kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline, aft deck forward
      8 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 150 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     8 x Twin mounts layout not set
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 825 lbs / 374 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 24.0" / 610 mm, 50.00 ft / 15.24 m torpedoes - 3.636 t each, 14.545 t total
   In 1 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes
      Main DC/AS Mortars
      2 - 100.00 lbs / 45.36 kg trainable AS Mortars + 100 reloads - 4.554 t total

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3.00" / 76 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm   0.50" / 13 mm      0.50" / 13 mm
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Conning towers: Forward 1.00" / 25 mm, Aft 1.00" / 25 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 4,627 ihp / 3,452 Kw = 17.00 kts
   Range 7,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 846 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   226 - 295

Cost:
   £0.269 million / $1.076 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 279 tons, 8.0 %
      - Guns: 211 tons, 6.0 %
      - Weapons: 68 tons, 2.0 %
   Armour: 66 tons, 1.9 %
      - Armament: 57 tons, 1.6 %
      - Conning Towers: 10 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 664 tons, 19.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,532 tons, 43.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 609 tons, 17.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons, 10.0 %
      - Hull below water: 50 tons
      - Hull above water: 300 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     0 lbs / 0 Kg = 0.0 x 7.0 " / 178 mm shells or 0.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 0.00
   Metacentric height -1.8 ft / -0.5 m
   Roll period: NaN seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 0 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): Infinity
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 0.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.510 / 0.523
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.00 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 35 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.24 ft / 4.34 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 92.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 151.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 13,453 Square feet or 1,250 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 142 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 86 lbs/sq ft or 418 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.00
      - Longitudinal: 0.00
      - Overall: NaN
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has quick, lively roll, not a steady gun platform
   Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability

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Im curious as to what they represent.

[Walter]

8 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 150 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     8 x Twin mounts layout not set

You need to specify the laout of the armament properly. Whenever you run into that particular problem, it means that one of the weapons has not been assigned a layout.

[snip]

8 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 150 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     8 x Twin mounts layout not set

You need to specify the laout of the armament properly. Whenever you run into that particular problem, it means that one of the weapons has not been assigned a layout.

All hail the master!

[Carthaginian]

What do the 'strange' weapons represent.
"Strange" is something I want to see, but for weapons, they must meet a community approval standard.

[Desertfox]

Thanks Walter!

Updated design posted in the new thread.

[Walter]

All hail the master!

Yeah, I'm the greatest! ;D

... actually, the reason I know that is because I ran into exactly the same problem a few times and I had no idea what I was doing wrong. It took me a while to figure out that I actually forgot to set the layout of one of the mounts and SS does not give you any warnings that you forgot that input. But once you know what the cause of that problem is, it's an easy fix whenever you run into it the next time.