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[Delta Force]

Here are the alternate history Austrian ships:

Böhmen, Austria-Hungary Large Heavy Cruiser laid down 1922

Displacement:
   26,516 t light; 27,752 t standard; 31,193 t normal; 33,947 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   721.78 ft / 721.78 ft x 91.86 ft x 29.94 ft (normal load)
   220.00 m / 220.00 m x 28.00 m  x 9.13 m

Armament:
      8 - 13.78" / 350 mm guns (3 mounts), 1,399.94lbs / 635.00kg shells, 1922 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      18 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 100.31lbs / 45.50kg shells, 1922 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 100.31lbs / 45.50kg shells, 1922 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 13,406 lbs / 6,081 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 80
   6 - 21.0" / 533 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.84" / 250 mm   485.56 ft / 148.00 m   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   3.94" / 100 mm   485.56 ft / 148.00 m   8.20 ft / 2.50 m
     Main Belt covers 103 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.57" / 40 mm   485.56 ft / 148.00 m   31.58 ft / 9.63 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.8" / 350 mm   7.87" / 200 mm      10.8" / 275 mm
   2nd:   3.94" / 100 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 10.83" / 275 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 111,085 shp / 82,869 Kw = 30.00 kts
   Range 2,400nm at 30.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 6,195 tons

Complement:
   1,173 - 1,525

Cost:
   £7.615 million / $30.462 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,591 tons, 5.1 %
   Armour: 9,280 tons, 29.8 %
      - Belts: 3,989 tons, 12.8 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 893 tons, 2.9 %
      - Armament: 2,412 tons, 7.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,754 tons, 5.6 %
      - Conning Tower: 231 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 3,768 tons, 12.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 11,876 tons, 38.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4,678 tons, 15.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     38,038 lbs / 17,254 Kg = 29.1 x 13.8 " / 350 mm shells or 5.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.17
   Metacentric height 5.9 ft / 1.8 m
   Roll period: 15.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.55
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle
     and transom stern
   Block coefficient: 0.550
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.86 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 31.08 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      29.53 ft / 9.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   24.44 ft / 7.45 m (18.54 ft / 5.65 m aft of break)
      - Mid (50 %):      18.54 ft / 5.65 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   18.54 ft / 5.65 m
      - Stern:      18.54 ft / 5.65 m
      - Average freeboard:   20.12 ft / 6.13 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 103.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 145.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 48,176 Square feet or 4,476 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 177 lbs/sq ft or 863 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.98
      - Longitudinal: 1.23
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

AH Maximum Battleshipv2, Austria-Hungary Battleship laid down 1922

Displacement:
   46,917 t light; 49,607 t standard; 53,072 t normal; 55,843 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   787.40 ft / 787.40 ft x 118.11 ft x 31.58 ft (normal load)
   240.00 m / 240.00 m x 36.00 m  x 9.63 m

Armament:
      15 - 16.54" / 420 mm guns (5x3 guns), 2,270.76lbs / 1,030.00kg shells, 1922 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      18 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 100.31lbs / 45.50kg shells, 1922 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 100.31lbs / 45.50kg shells, 1922 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 36,268 lbs / 16,451 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 80
   6 - 21.0" / 533 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.8" / 350 mm   518.37 ft / 158.00 m   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   518.37 ft / 158.00 m   8.20 ft / 2.50 m
     Main Belt covers 101 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.57" / 40 mm   518.37 ft / 158.00 m   33.22 ft / 10.13 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.8" / 350 mm   8.86" / 225 mm      10.8" / 275 mm
   2nd:   5.91" / 150 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 3.94" / 100 mm, Conning tower: 13.78" / 350 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 90,130 shp / 67,237 Kw = 25.00 kts
   Range 2,400nm at 25.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 6,236 tons

Complement:
   1,747 - 2,272

Cost:
   £16.005 million / $64.019 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 4,522 tons, 8.5 %
   Armour: 17,451 tons, 32.9 %
      - Belts: 6,194 tons, 11.7 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 1,003 tons, 1.9 %
      - Armament: 4,728 tons, 8.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 5,106 tons, 9.6 %
      - Conning Tower: 419 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 3,057 tons, 5.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 21,887 tons, 41.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 6,154 tons, 11.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     56,703 lbs / 25,720 Kg = 25.1 x 16.5 " / 420 mm shells or 8.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
   Metacentric height 8.4 ft / 2.5 m
   Roll period: 17.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.63
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.03

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.633
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.67 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 28.06 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Mid (50 %):      18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Stern:      18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.04 ft / 5.50 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 101.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 137.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 70,105 Square feet or 6,513 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 89 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 246 lbs/sq ft or 1,199 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.02
      - Longitudinal: 0.99
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

[ctwaterman]

My Point from above is that England doesnt even have 10K Troops in North America in 1861.  6 Months after the start of Hostilities the Union has recruited 500,000 Troops and armed them.

If the British Regulars lets say 25,000 of them are some how delivered to Canada in the Spring of 1862 once the St. Lawrence unfreezes and then are moved overland to the Detroit Area their is no way to hide this move from the U.S.   

The US response is to station 25,000 Men in fortress along the Detroit River and the British Regulars will learn what happens when you march men into Cannon Fire and Aimed Rifled Musket Fire while the defenders have even a bit of cover ???

Its an interesting theory but the British will have to actively intervene at Sea to break the Blockade and it will be bloody and Expensive.   Historically the US durring the War of 1812 captured something like 1200 British Merchants using letters or marque.   This would have been devestating to both the Union and British Economy.  By the Time the British Intervene New Orleans has Fallen and the British arent going to try to take it back the Hard way.

[Carthaginian]

My Point from above is that England doesnt even have 10K Troops in North America in 1861.  6 Months after the start of Hostilities the Union has recruited 500,000 Troops and armed them.

That is MY point as well.
The Union didn't have 500,000 troops, either.
They recruited and trained them on the fly.
There is nothing form stopping the British from doing this in Canada either- unless this is some strange parallel universe where Canadians can't fight.

[Delta Force]

My Point from above is that England doesnt even have 10K Troops in North America in 1861.  6 Months after the start of Hostilities the Union has recruited 500,000 Troops and armed them.

That is MY point as well.
The Union didn't have 500,000 troops, either.
They recruited and trained them on the fly.
There is nothing form stopping the British from doing this in Canada either- unless this is some strange parallel universe where Canadians can't fight.

The main issue would be that there are only around 3 million Canadians in the 1860s (half the non-slave population of the CSA) and probably nothing in terms of a domestic military armaments industry in place. The UK could do it, but it might very well set back Canada for generations as it did to the CSA in our own timeline.

Apart from the timeline, how about the general look of of the capital ship OOBs for the great powers and the Austro-Hungarian battleship and large heavy cruiser?

[ctwaterman]

*Evil Grin*

Yes Canada simply doesnt have the population is an actual haven for Escaped Slaves and would probably actively oppose a war with the Union on its Borders.   

By the end of 1861 700,000 soldiers were drilling in Union camps. The first wave in spring was called up for only 90 days, then went home or reenlisted. Later waves enlisted for three years. They spent their time drilling. The combat in the first year, though strategically important, involved relatively small forces and few casualties. Sickness was a much more serious cause of hospitalization or death. In the first few months men wore low quality uniforms made of "shoddy" but by fall sturdy wool uniforms--in blue--were standard. The nation's factories were converted to produce the rifles, cannon, wagons, tents, telegraph sets and the myriad other special items the army needed. While business had been slow or depressed in spring 1861 because of war fears and Southern boycotts, by fall business was hiring again, offering young men jobs that were an alternative way to help win the war. Nonpartisanship was the rule in the first year, but by summer 1862 many Democrats had stopped supporting the war effort and volunteering fell off sharply in their strongholds. The calls for more and more soldiers continued, so states and localities responded by offering cash bonuses. By 1863 a draft law was in effect, but few men actually were drafted and served, since it was designed to get them to volunteer or hire a substitute. Others hid away or left the country. With the Emancipation proclamation taking effect in January 1863, localities could meet their draft quota by sponsoring regiments of ex-slaves organized in the South.[14]

As you can see following the South Seizing Fort Sumter the Union quickly had 700K Troops drilling the Idea that Canada was going to put roughly 1/4 to 1/3 of its population under arms is funny and the British Regualr Army has its own Garrison duties in India and the Empire to perform.

On land the Union after 1862 when the Northern Industry started cranking out guns, standard uniforms, tents everything a modern army needs is simply a monster to tackle.  At Sea now there the British have their edge.

Now the Orders of Battle look interesting.