Nova Francia Fleet

[Jefgte]

AC2 - Fleet Armored Cruiser - 2 ships in the class

AC2, Nova Francia Fleet Cruiser laid down 1906

Displacement:
   13 061 t light; 13 668 t standard; 14 850 t normal; 15 795 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (518.00 ft / 513.00 ft) x 75.45 ft x (22.38 / 23.55 ft)
   (157.89 m / 156.36 m) x 23.00 m  x (6.82 / 7.18 m)

Armament:
      4 - 9.45" / 240 mm 50.0 cal guns - 485.00lbs / 219.99kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1906 Model
     2 x 2 row twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 9.45" / 240 mm 50.0 cal guns - 485.00lbs / 219.99kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mount, 1906 Model
     1 x 2 row twin mount on centreline, aft deck forward
      8 - 6.45" / 164 mm 45.0 cal guns - 135.31lbs / 61.38kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1906 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.14lbs / 14.12kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1906 Model
     12 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts - superfiring
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 52.0 cal guns - 3.38lbs / 1.53kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1906 Model
     8 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4 393 lbs / 1 993 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.70 ft / 5.39 m torpedoes - 0.693 t each, 2.772 t total
   In 4 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   6.70" / 170 mm   418.80 ft / 127.65 m   9.85 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   1.77" / 45 mm     68.42 ft / 20.85 m   7.86 ft / 2.40 m
     25.78 ft / 7.86 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   1.77" / 45 mm   418.80 ft / 127.65 m   6.56 ft / 2.00 m
     Main Belt covers 126 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   6.70" / 170 mm   3.95" / 100 mm      6.70" / 170 mm
   2nd:   6.70" / 170 mm   3.95" / 100 mm      6.70" / 170 mm
   3rd:   1.97" / 50 mm   0.80" / 20 mm      1.77" / 45 mm
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.77" / 45 mm
   Forecastle: 0.99" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 0.99" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 7.87" / 200 mm, Aft 6.30" / 160 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 33 533 ihp / 25 015 Kw = 23.00 kts
   Range 5 000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 127 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   672 - 874

Cost:
   £1.471 million / $5.883 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 066 tons, 7.2 %
      - Guns: 1 063 tons, 7.2 %
      - Weapons: 3 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 2 921 tons, 19.7 %
      - Belts: 1 375 tons, 9.3 %
      - Armament: 522 tons, 3.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 840 tons, 5.7 %
      - Conning Towers: 184 tons, 1.2 %
   Machinery: 4 743 tons, 31.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 191 tons, 28.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 789 tons, 12.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 140 tons, 0.9 %
      - Hull below water: 10 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 10 tons
      - Above deck: 120 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10 693 lbs / 4 850 Kg = 25.3 x 9.5 " / 240 mm shells or 2.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.41
   Metacentric height 6.0 ft / 1.8 m
   Roll period: 13.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 77 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.34
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.37

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.607
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.80 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.65 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  18.37 ft / 5.60 m,  17.40 ft / 5.30 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  17.40 ft / 5.30 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.83 ft / 5.13 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 125.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 133.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 28 309 Square feet or 2 630 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 94 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 123 lbs/sq ft or 599 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.42
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Jefgte]

The last class of Armored Fleet Cruiser before the start of the game.
2 ships in the class.

AC3, Nova Francia Fleet Cruiser laid down 1909

Displacement:
   13 197 t light; 13 859 t standard; 15 000 t normal; 15 912 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (533.00 ft / 528.00 ft) x 75.45 ft x (22.53 / 23.64 ft)
   (162.46 m / 160.93 m) x 23.00 m  x (6.87 / 7.21 m)

Armament:
      6 - 9.45" / 240 mm 50.0 cal guns - 485.00lbs / 219.99kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1909 Model
     3 x 2 row twin mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      8 - 6.45" / 164 mm 50.0 cal guns - 142.04lbs / 64.43kg shells, 180 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1909 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.14lbs / 14.12kg shells, 400 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1909 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1909 Model
     8 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      8 - 0.52" / 13.2 mm 52.0 cal guns - 0.08lbs / 0.03kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1909 Model
     4 x 2 row twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4 446 lbs / 2 017 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      8 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.70 ft / 5.39 m torpedoes - 0.820 t each, 6.557 t total
   In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.87" / 200 mm   383.85 ft / 117.00 m   9.85 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   1.77" / 45 mm     98.42 ft / 30.00 m   7.86 ft / 2.40 m
     45.73 ft / 13.94 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   1.77" / 45 mm   383.85 ft / 117.00 m   6.56 ft / 2.00 m
     Main Belt covers 112 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.87" / 200 mm   3.95" / 100 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   1.97" / 50 mm   0.80" / 20 mm      1.77" / 45 mm
   3rd:   1.97" / 50 mm   0.80" / 20 mm            -
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.77" / 45 mm
   Forecastle: 0.99" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 0.99" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 7.87" / 200 mm, Aft 6.30" / 160 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 53 826 ihp / 40 154 Kw = 26.00 kts
   Range 5 000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 053 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   677 - 881

Cost:
   £1.394 million / $5.575 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 093 tons, 7.3 %
      - Guns: 1 080 tons, 7.2 %
      - Weapons: 13 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 3 278 tons, 21.9 %
      - Belts: 1 490 tons, 9.9 %
      - Armament: 750 tons, 5.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 852 tons, 5.7 %
      - Conning Towers: 186 tons, 1.2 %
   Machinery: 4 099 tons, 27.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 586 tons, 30.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 803 tons, 12.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 140 tons, 0.9 %
      - Hull below water: 10 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 10 tons
      - Above deck: 120 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     13 460 lbs / 6 105 Kg = 31.9 x 9.5 " / 240 mm shells or 2.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.21
   Metacentric height 4.7 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 14.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.48
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.15

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.585 / 0.591
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.98 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 62
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  20.35 ft / 6.20 m,  19.37 ft / 5.90 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  19.37 ft / 5.90 m,  18.37 ft / 5.60 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  18.37 ft / 5.60 m,  18.37 ft / 5.60 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  18.37 ft / 5.60 m,  18.37 ft / 5.60 m
      - Average freeboard:      18.80 ft / 5.73 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 111.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 149.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 28 730 Square feet or 2 669 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 127 lbs/sq ft or 622 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.53
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

[Jefgte]

Nova Francia Heavy Cruisers

4xEC1-1897-7600t-4T1x240+8x140-18kts-B&T170
4xEC2-1900-7600t-4T1x240+8x164-18kts-B&T170
2AC1-1903-11250t-6T1x240+8x140-21kts-B&T170
2AC2-1906-14850t-3T2x240+8x164-23kts-B&T170
2AC3-1909-15000t-3T2x240+8x164-25kts-B&T200

8 Escort Cruisers
6 Armored Cruisers

[KWorld]

> 6 - 9.45" / 240 mm 50.0 cal guns - 485.00lbs / 219.99kg shells, 100 per gun
>     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1909 Model
>     3 x 2 row twin mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
>      1 raised mount - superfiring

       Looks like an ABX layout to me, with the superfiring turret......

[Carthaginian]

No superfiring till 1910; main gun turrets can be deck level only.

[Walter]

Actually, looking around, Kaiser Friedrich III, an 1895 vessel, has a superfiring turret forward, so I would say that it should be allowed, as long as it does not do so over another main gun turret.

[Carthaginian]

Actually, looking around, Kaiser Friedrich III, an 1895 vessel, has a superfiring turret forward, so I would say that it should be allowed, as long as it does not do so over another main gun turret.

Secondaries can superfire over primaries; if ship is used as an example/justification, then it seems that the reverse could be true.

However, main gun turrets cannot superfire over main gun turrets until after the start of the game in '3910.'
I will say that i will build no vessels with superfiring turrets for some time.

[Walter]

Secondaries can superfire over primaries; if ship is used as an example/justification, then it seems that the reverse could be true.

It could be that main guns superfiring secondaries was extremely rare or perhaps even unique and that this class is the only one that has this particular layout. I was thinking of using it as the pic kinda stood out, but if you prefer that I don't, then I will use a more conventional main gun layout.

[Carthaginian]

Secondaries can superfire over primaries; if ship is used as an example/justification, then it seems that the reverse could be true.

It could be that main guns superfiring secondaries was extremely rare or perhaps even unique and that this class is the only one that has this particular layout. I was thinking of using it as the pic kinda stood out, but if you prefer that I don't, then I will use a more conventional main gun layout.

NO problems with it- in fact I encourage such oddballs

[Walter]

Thanks. :)

Looking back at Jef's AC3... At 15000 tons, it would require 28 months to build according to the rules. Since it is a 1909 vessel, doesn't that mean that, according to section 3.01 of the Agreement Upon Limitations For Naval Vessels, it will have to be scrapped as it is is less than 50% complete on January 1, 3910?

[Jefgte]

AC3-15000t-1909 reworking with 2T2x240 fore & 1 aft

AC3, Nova Francia Fleet Cruiser laid down 1909

Displacement:
   13 175 t light; 13 859 t standard; 15 000 t normal; 15 912 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (533.00 ft / 528.00 ft) x 75.45 ft x (22.53 / 23.64 ft)
   (162.46 m / 160.93 m) x 23.00 m  x (6.87 / 7.21 m)

Armament:
      6 - 9.45" / 240 mm 50.0 cal guns - 485.00lbs / 219.99kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1909 Model
     3 x 2 row twin mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      10 - 6.45" / 164 mm 45.0 cal guns - 135.32lbs / 61.38kg shells, 180 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1909 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.13lbs / 14.12kg shells, 400 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1909 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.20lbs / 1.45kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1909 Model
     8 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      8 - 0.52" / 13.2 mm 52.0 cal guns - 0.09lbs / 0.04kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1909 Model
     4 x 2 row twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4 663 lbs / 2 115 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      8 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.70 ft / 5.39 m torpedoes - 0.820 t each, 6.557 t total
   In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.87" / 200 mm   383.85 ft / 117.00 m   9.85 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   1.97" / 50 mm   118.12 ft / 36.00 m   7.86 ft / 2.40 m
     26.03 ft / 7.93 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   1.97" / 50 mm   383.85 ft / 117.00 m   7.86 ft / 2.40 m
     Main Belt covers 112 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.87" / 200 mm   3.95" / 100 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   1.97" / 50 mm   0.80" / 20 mm      1.77" / 45 mm
   3rd:   1.97" / 50 mm   0.80" / 20 mm            -
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.97" / 50 mm
   Forecastle: 0.99" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 0.99" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 7.87" / 200 mm, Aft 6.30" / 160 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 53 826 ihp / 40 154 Kw = 26.00 kts
   Range 5 000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 053 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   677 - 881

Cost:
   £1.397 million / $5.589 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 107 tons, 7.4 %
      - Guns: 1 094 tons, 7.3 %
      - Weapons: 13 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 3 393 tons, 22.6 %
      - Belts: 1 565 tons, 10.4 %
      - Armament: 708 tons, 4.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 935 tons, 6.2 %
      - Conning Towers: 186 tons, 1.2 %
   Machinery: 4 099 tons, 27.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 436 tons, 29.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 825 tons, 12.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 140 tons, 0.9 %
      - Hull below water: 10 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 10 tons
      - Above deck: 120 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     13 612 lbs / 6 174 Kg = 32.3 x 9.5 " / 240 mm shells or 2.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.26
   Metacentric height 5.0 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 14.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.44
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.18

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.585 / 0.591
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.98 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 62
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  20.35 ft / 6.20 m,  19.37 ft / 5.90 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  19.37 ft / 5.90 m,  18.37 ft / 5.60 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  18.37 ft / 5.60 m,  18.37 ft / 5.60 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  18.37 ft / 5.60 m,  18.37 ft / 5.60 m
      - Average freeboard:      18.80 ft / 5.73 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 111.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 149.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 28 730 Square feet or 2 669 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 124 lbs/sq ft or 605 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.54
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

[KWorld]

Very fast, will prove useful after 1910 in a lot of ways.  Belt height's perhaps a bit low.

[Walter]

Well, it is a cruiser and not a battleship...

[Carthaginian]

Belt height and hull-wave interaction might do some nasty things at high speed.
Aside from that...
DAMN FINE SHIP.

[Jefgte]

...Belt height's perhaps a bit low.

Belt height and hull-wave interaction might do some nasty things at high speed

The drawing study will finalize upper & main belt height


Jef