Discussion of the Maori and New Swiss War...

[Kaiser Kirk]

regarding Blooded's fleet transportation size note -
That WWII book I had estimated that for a German Division, between 50-70,000 GRT would be needed to transport it, figuring just 2 GRT/man. That was likely for Baltic/Med transits.

[ctwaterman]

A Brief 3 Word Comment of the Air Strike:

FOG OF WAR


As to the state of the New Swiss Airforce in many cases I agree and thats why I am warning people again and again try to keep up to date on your Pages.  And readiness leves are not a suggestion nor are unit locations they are Bloody well mandatory in the future.   You cant hide Divisions and Fleets any diplomat or merchant captain in port can tell where you keep your 50,000 men and your battle ships docked.

Keeping up to date is important because you never know when someone is going to slip the Knife between the third and fourth cervical vertibrae... :o  Im willing to let some time pass for catch up but this is getting to be troublesome.   

Should I work with Guinness and try to make a new example of Army Sheets, Navy Sheets and Sim reports.

[miketr]

The rate of torpedo success is unknown, but should be less than 40 hits, less detonations when duds are taken into effect.

The following to consider.

1) Targets would be MUCH slower as so many were Merchants

2) This was a target rich environment, first shot misses but its very possible there is another ship behind it to kill.

3) All reports lie vs. effect and reality.  Take the number given and half it, or third it or perhaps even quarter it to arrive at the true number.

[Kaiser Kirk]

A Brief 3 Word Comment of the Air Strike:

FOG OF WAR

I got a peek behind the curtain, different but reasonable presumptions.

[Valles]

Also...why wouldn't the new Swiss send out the fighters to strafe and suppress the AA guns?

This, I can answer: because they could reasonably expect it not to work. The Maori enclose their AA mounts in (lightly) armored gunhouses, with (slanted) 2.5cm 'faces' and 1cm 'houses'. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c386/valles_uf/CrossMirageRev-e.png

Observe that there are three kinds of mounts visible; the smallest, raised and near the funnels, are the AA guns.

Penetrating their protection would require a fairly square hit on the given plate - not that likely even under ideal circumstances, let alone from a powered kite in the middle of a firefight, especially given that the mounts would be trained to bear on any incoming, placing their toughest angle in the way.

[ctwaterman]

Or it could be because they moved most of the fighters off the nearst airfield to make room for more bombers and pulled maintenance crews off the single engine aircraft and put them on the multi engine aircraft that could carry anti-ship weapons.  All this in an attempt to bring their availability numbers of the Torpedo Carrying Aircraft up to reasonable numbers.

And because Flak suppression is an Idea that occured only after someone encountered significant flak for the first time around World War II I think

Charles

[ctwaterman]

I am all for a much closer count on Logistics....... *happy happy dance*
I will support rules changes for the 1922 rules changes to make sure I never have to do Alien Space Bat stuff again.    :o   Of course I am a firm believer in the three keys to warfare Logistics, Logistics, and Logistics.... yes it is one key but it bares repeating over and over again.

I am for keeping track of things we have only abstractly allowed for in our sim.  Such as fleet logistics.  Sure your ship can sail 10,000 Nautical Miles at 10 Knots fight a battle and be victorious.  But what happens when you have to fight a second battle after you have fired off say 100 out of 150 main caliber gun rounds in your ships and you have expended your Torps and you dont have any realoads?   Where is the nearest port [Yours not somebody elses] to resupply you with more then fuel.  Where are the spare parts, the Ammo, the Torps going to come from.  

The answer is they are following you on a merchant ship of some type @8 Knots.   Only a few people have even made an attempt at a fleet train to support long distance operations and they should be rewarded.  

[Valles]

I'd support it for 1922. If my current efforts go well, then I'll have the resources to meet the need.

If they don't, I won't be in any position to care.

And I like dealing with logistics. It lets me take advantage of other people being sloppy. ^_^

[Desertfox]

That some good info.

The NSN was based on fighting at long distances but with bases always nearby (due to NS geography) even the Rift War was based on such an assumption, my objective being a base that had NS style weapons. Course the more I'm here the more a need for a true fleet train becomes apparent. I too would like at least some logistical guidelines.

[ctwaterman]

*evil chuckle*  Converts....

The Problem Foxy is your fleet that you sent to the rift was about 2x the size of the Logistical capability of the Bases.   

And Example to the opposite was my fleet could not remain concentrated for any period of time because it had to be in a minimum of 3 different harbors.  Massawa, Djibouti, and Mogadishu.  Between the elements of the French, Italia, and DKB fleets present we needed at least 2 Type 3 Fleet base and 1 Type 2

Charles

[miketr]

A quick comment on the IJA in WW2.  They were from an equipement and training point of view a late WW1 army.

[ctwaterman]

The Discussion of pure logistics has been moved here.

http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=5474.0

[Valles]

*reads latest news*

*looks at date*

*crosses fingers*

[snip]

well it would make for a quick end to the war

[Sachmle]

WTF? Deux es machinima Tsunami/Earthquake? Seriously? Not cool.