UNK Projects 1920+

[ctwaterman]

The Ship Below I like I think its go a decent armor scheme designed to handle Light and Medium Cruiser Guns, Its fast and while it cant go full speed in bad weather simply slowing the ship from 32 to 30 knots drives its Sea Keeping up over 105.  Im not sure about allocating either an auxilary fire control or going with the soon to be completed gun powder catipult and 250 Tons to a scout plane or two ???

HMS Birmingham, United Norman Kingdoms AC 1920 laid down 1920

Displacement:
   13,829 t light; 14,409 t standard; 15,498 t normal; 16,370 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   592.00 ft / 588.00 ft x 70.00 ft (Bulges 74.00 ft) x 24.54 ft (normal load)
   180.44 m / 179.22 m x 21.34 m (Bulges 22.56 m)  x 7.48 m

Armament:
     8 - 9.20" / 234 mm guns (4x2 guns), 380.00lbs / 172.37kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
     12 - 4.70" / 119 mm guns (6x2 guns), 57.00lbs / 25.85kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships
     8 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm guns in single mounts, 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1916 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
     4 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 33.00lbs / 14.97kg shells, 1912 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 3,860 lbs / 1,751 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120
   8 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
  - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   430.00 ft / 131.06 m   14.49 ft / 4.42 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 113 % of normal length

  - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5.00" / 127 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      5.00" / 127 mm
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   3rd:   0.35" / 9 mm         -               -

  - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 6.00" / 152 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 115,377 shp / 86,071 Kw = 32.00 kts
   Range 9,500nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,961 tons

Complement:
   693 - 902

Cost:
   £3.439 million / $13.758 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 484 tons, 3.1 %
   Armour: 3,264 tons, 21.1 %
      - Belts: 1,549 tons, 10.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 613 tons, 4.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,022 tons, 6.6 %
      - Conning Tower: 80 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 4,034 tons, 26.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,731 tons, 37.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,669 tons, 10.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 316 tons, 2.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     13,385 lbs / 6,072 Kg = 34.4 x 9.2 " / 234 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 3.5 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 16.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 55 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.50
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 0.91

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.508
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.95 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24.25 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 61
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 4.00 ft / 1.22 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26.38 ft / 8.04 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   19.79 ft / 6.03 m
      - Mid (65 %):      19.79 ft / 6.03 m
      - Quarterdeck (19 %):   19.79 ft / 6.03 m
      - Stern:      19.79 ft / 6.03 m
      - Average freeboard:   20.32 ft / 6.19 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 110.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 130.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 27,625 Square feet or 2,566 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 131 lbs/sq ft or 639 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.53
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather
Belt Inclined ?? Degree
250T Auxilary Fire Control
25T   Night fighting equipment and Spotlights
16T     8 x 21" Torpedoes
25T    Long Range Wireless

[mentat]

  you seem to have a bit of a ski jump at the bow - to launch the Seaplanes ?? ;D

      - other than that - I like it a lot ...


     (think 20' freeboard is quite reasonable - SS is excessive on Frbd rqmt at Speed - right to ignore)

[ctwaterman]

Hmmm I think perhaps I never finished raising the freeboard or lowering the bow from one of my efforts to increase sea keeping before I just said the hell with it.  The Boat at 30 knots and slower is perfectly stable so stop messing with it.

[ctwaterman]

After analyzing data from its Allies both France and Italia the Royal Navy is contemplating a new cruiser and Torpedo Boat Destroyer optimised for the escort role of the Battle Line.   The ability to target multipule ships at once for the cruiser is considered mandatory [Thus the 2 Seperate Fire Control Stations]  As well as the speed or training and fire of its turrets.  The DD 1920 is an optimized DD Destroyer and ASW Escort sacraficing some Torpedo ability using only 1 Ton 21" Torps to allow it to fulfill its primary role as Battle Line Escort.  It incorporates a centralized Fire Control director on a ship that usually would not need one to maximize its fire power against other destroyers.

DD 1920, United Norman Kingdoms Destroyer laid down 1920

Displacement:
   1,504 t light; 1,580 t standard; 1,825 t normal; 2,020 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   393.60 ft / 384.54 ft x 31.00 ft x 11.23 ft (normal load)
   119.97 m / 117.21 m x 9.45 m  x 3.42 m

Armament:
      5 - 4.70" / 119 mm guns (4 mounts), 51.91lbs / 23.55kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 260 lbs / 118 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 270
   6 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.75" / 19 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 2 shafts, 29,908 shp / 22,311 Kw = 31.00 kts
   Range 7,800nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 440 tons

Complement:
   139 - 181

Cost:
   £0.475 million / $1.900 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 32 tons, 1.8 %
   Armour: 10 tons, 0.5 %
      - Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 10 tons, 0.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 864 tons, 47.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 496 tons, 27.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 320 tons, 17.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 102 tons, 5.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     508 lbs / 230 Kg = 9.8 x 4.7 " / 119 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.30
   Metacentric height 1.4 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 11.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.52
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.10

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.477
   Length to Beam Ratio: 12.40 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.61 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 61 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 5.00 ft / 1.52 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      19.08 ft / 5.82 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   12.53 ft / 3.82 m
      - Mid (37 %):      12.53 ft / 3.82 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   12.53 ft / 3.82 m
      - Stern:      12.53 ft / 3.82 m
      - Average freeboard:   13.05 ft / 3.98 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 173.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 87.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 7,781 Square feet or 723 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 74 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 33 lbs/sq ft or 162 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.54
      - Longitudinal: 1.09
      - Overall: 0.58
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped


25T Fire Control
25T Long Range Wireless
20T Depth Charges
10T 2 x  Depth Charge Throwers
6T 6 Torpedoes  21" 1 Ton
6T  Hydrophones and ASW Plot Room

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HMS New York, United Norman Kingdoms Escort Cruiser laid down 1920

Displacement:
   9,293 t light; 9,744 t standard; 10,977 t normal; 11,964 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   608.30 ft / 608.30 ft x 61.70 ft x 19.80 ft (normal load)
   185.41 m / 185.41 m x 18.81 m  x 6.04 m

Armament:
      10 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (5x2 guns), 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 1905 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm guns in single mounts, 51.91lbs / 23.55kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1912 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      8 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1913 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 1,544 lbs / 700 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 250
   8 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.50" / 89 mm   600.00 ft / 182.88 m   9.43 ft / 2.87 m
   Ends:   2.50" / 64 mm     8.20 ft / 2.50 m   9.43 ft / 2.87 m
     Main Belt covers 152 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.00" / 25 mm   395.40 ft / 120.52 m   17.44 ft / 5.32 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2.50" / 64 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   2nd:   2.00" / 51 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   3rd:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.75" / 44 mm, Conning tower: 4.00" / 102 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 78,645 shp / 58,669 Kw = 31.00 kts
   Range 9,500nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,220 tons

Complement:
   536 - 697

Cost:
   £2.082 million / $8.327 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 203 tons, 1.8 %
   Armour: 1,995 tons, 18.2 %
      - Belts: 772 tons, 7.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 255 tons, 2.3 %
      - Armament: 103 tons, 0.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 822 tons, 7.5 %
      - Conning Tower: 43 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 2,750 tons, 25.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,845 tons, 35.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,684 tons, 15.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 500 tons, 4.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     12,347 lbs / 5,600 Kg = 114.3 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 1.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.18
   Metacentric height 3.3 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 14.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.34
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.10

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.517
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.86 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24.66 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 64
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      27.13 ft / 8.27 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   17.26 ft / 5.26 m
      - Mid (50 %):      17.26 ft / 5.26 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   17.26 ft / 5.26 m
      - Stern:      17.26 ft / 5.26 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.05 ft / 5.50 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 150.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 132.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 25,400 Square feet or 2,360 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 114 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 99 lbs/sq ft or 482 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.99
      - Longitudinal: 1.05
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

200T 2x Cruiser Fire Control
100T Extra training and Fire Control Gear for all 5 6" Turrets
25T Night Fighting Gear
25T Ears Gear
50T Extra Crew Comfort features
100 Expansion

[Sachmle]

Let me start with the destroyer.
1. She's 4t over if she's a 1,500t DD, if she's a 2,000t DD Tech then why stop at 1,504t.
2. She has left over strength (0.54 Cross-sectional) you can tweak her some more.
3. She's over the 12:1 L:B ratio (12.40:1) for light/fast ships.
4. She's slow. 31kts may be a fine advantage over your battleline, but they need to be 2-4kts faster than the CLs too, IMHO.
5. Your misc weight is off. Going off the list in the Ship Design Guidelines it should be as follows:
     DD Fire Control = 25t
     LR Wireless TX = 25t
     60 Depth Charges = 20t
     2 DC Throwers = 2t
     6 21" Torpedoes = 6t
     Hydrophones = 25t
     ASW Plot Room = Whatever you decide is effective, probably no more than 5t IMHO
     Total = 103t(Plus ASW tonnage)
6. That's a lot of DCs, I'd cut that in half.
7. Should be enough weight to use 2t if not 3t torpedoes.
8. 0.75" armor won't stop more than machine gun rounds, 0.25" stops them just as well, may as well save mount weight. Makes it lighter/easier/faster to train.
9. 5 guns, 4 mounts. Twin A, single B, X, Y or typo?
10. A little deep (I'd shoot for 10.33" or so)
11. If 'English' Measurements, why the odd amounts. (384.54ft long, 11.23ft deep, etc)


And the Light Cruiser:
1. Ditch the 4.7" guns. They're superfluous. Even w/o "True" DP tech, we all know those 4" AA can depress enough to hit a DD if all 10 6" are busy.
2. Too narrow for a TDS, waste of tonnage. Should save you a LOT of weight.
3. Slowish for future use, but OK for now.
4. I read somewhere the other day a discussion regarding "Doubling up" on FC weight and the consensus I got from it was that it was unnecessary as a 100t set includes directors for all MB as well as Local Control if you're splitting your fire. Only 25t DD sets could track a single target, either guns or torpedoes.
5. Since you're willing to sink 9,300t into a CL already, why not go whole hog and sink a full 10k into it, go full type 3 (220m) and 32-33kts or stick another twin 6" on it?
6. With no upper belt I highly recommend armoring the hoist/below deck/shell handling room section.
7. Same odd measurements (17.26ft freeboard, etc)


Overall:
Both are solid if not spectacular, but both seem to be coming up short for the tonnage involved. Minor alterations should get you more "bang for your buck".

[Kaiser Kirk]

2. Too narrow for a TDS, waste of tonnage. Should save you a LOT of weight.

I'm starting to wonder if we're too dismissive.

Consider the French ship Algerie. Generally considered a good treaty cruiser.
Also ran at 31knots. Also had a TDS.

40mm torpedo bulkhead extended between end barbettes, torpedo protection consisted of 3 compartments and was 5.1m deep.

Now 5.1m deep....is quite respectable. Probably not doable with 1920s machinery, and I bet it varies in depth towards the ends. Further, at 40mm, far beefier.

But...consider the underwater threats.  21" Destroyer Torpedoes, 14-18" Aerial Torpedoes, Mines....and soon the idea of sprung seams from near miss bombs.

The 25mm TDS offered here would presumably be more like 3m deep, and fail vs. 21" Destroyer Torpedoes.
Would it be worth the tonnage if it stopped, or limited damage from Aerial torpedoes, mines and Near Misses ?

[Darman]

The 25mm TDS offered here would presumably be more like 3m deep, and fail vs. 21" Destroyer Torpedoes.
Would it be worth the tonnage if it stopped, or limited damage from Aerial torpedoes, mines and Near Misses ?

That would depend on your navy's experience with near-misses, aerial torpedoes, and mines I suppose.  How often have we seen aerial torpedoes?  The Maori-Swiss war comes to my mind.  And without checking I can't really speak for the recent Rift War or Chinese Civil War.  Have they presented enough of a threat to warrant defenses against them other than a barrage of anti-aircraft fire or fighters flying cover? 
Mines though, are another matter entirely.  And I guess would depend on what the ship will be used for.  Reconnaissance along coastal areas where minefields might be laid?  Minesweepers perhaps. 

[snip]

And without checking I can't really speak for the recent Rift War or Chinese Civil War

I think that both China's and Russia (via the MK) will have plenty of data to sift thought at the end of things

[TexanCowboy]

If the designers of the US Standards could figure this out in the real world, with a minimum of real combat expierance to test torpedoes vs. battleships, I'm sure it could be figured out here.

[ctwaterman]

Let me start with the destroyer.
1. She's 4t over if she's a 1,500t DD, if she's a 2,000t DD Tech then why stop at 1,504t.
2. She has left over strength (0.54 Cross-sectional) you can tweak her some more.
3. She's over the 12:1 L:B ratio (12.40:1) for light/fast ships.
4. She's slow. 31kts may be a fine advantage over your battleline, but they need to be 2-4kts faster than the CLs too, IMHO.
5. Your misc weight is off. Going off the list in the Ship Design Guidelines it should be as follows:
     DD Fire Control = 25t
     LR Wireless TX = 25t
     60 Depth Charges = 20t
     2 DC Throwers = 2t
     6 21" Torpedoes = 6t
     Hydrophones = 25t
     ASW Plot Room = Whatever you decide is effective, probably no more than 5t IMHO
     Total = 103t(Plus ASW tonnage)
6. That's a lot of DCs, I'd cut that in half.
7. Should be enough weight to use 2t if not 3t torpedoes.
8. 0.75" armor won't stop more than machine gun rounds, 0.25" stops them just as well, may as well save mount weight. Makes it lighter/easier/faster to train.
9. 5 guns, 4 mounts. Twin A, single B, X, Y or typo?
10. A little deep (I'd shoot for 10.33" or so)
11. If 'English' Measurements, why the odd amounts. (384.54ft long, 11.23ft deep, etc)

1.  I need to trim oh 1/2 of a percent off her weight she will be a 1500 ton DD
2.  Yes she needs to be tweeked just a touch
3.  Hmmm damn I missed the L:B ratio I usually try to keep that under 10:1
4.  She is as designed an escort for the BB honestly Speed in this Sim are out of control.
5.  I was simming it on my laptop so I couldnt look up all the tonages but yes they need adjusting.
6.  The Average DC of the time goes about 200 to 300 Lbs.... so yes I can trim the weight.
7.  If I can go back to 12T for torps I will.
8.  Fully Enclosed splinter protection is the desired level of defense.
9. 5 Mounts 3 forward middle super firing and 2 aft
10.  North Atlantic is my primary area of concern I was shocked that my Sea Keeping was so high on a DD ???
11.  Odd measurement due to trimming some weight she is down from 1537 Tons.

And the Light Cruiser:
1. Ditch the 4.7" guns. They're superfluous. Even w/o "True" DP tech, we all know those 4" AA can depress enough to hit a DD if all 10 6" are busy.
2. Too narrow for a TDS, waste of tonnage. Should save you a LOT of weight.
3. Slowish for future use, but OK for now.
4. I read somewhere the other day a discussion regarding "Doubling up" on FC weight and the consensus I got from it was that it was unnecessary as a 100t set includes directors for all MB as well as Local Control if you're splitting your fire. Only 25t DD sets could track a single target, either guns or torpedoes.
5. Since you're willing to sink 9,300t into a CL already, why not go whole hog and sink a full 10k into it, go full type 3 (220m) and 32-33kts or stick another twin 6" on it?
6. With no upper belt I highly recommend armoring the hoist/below deck/shell handling room section.
7. Same odd measurements (17.26ft freeboard, etc)

1.  I want the 4.7" Guns
2. I will consider the TDS it wont protect against 21" or 24" Torps but... see the discussion.
3.  Until the 1930's comes around this ship is blazing fast for the Historical times the number of Cruisers capable of going faster then 32 knots historically is shockingly small and many of them did there speed runs without guns or armor :)
4.  If I dont need More Fire Control I can put in some Diesel Electric Generators
5. Im easily willing to go to the 10,000 tons.
6.  She is the exact dimension of the ship I was designing her off from.

If I was being completely a historical I might add more of the 4.7" guns to give me something to convert to DP Guns in the future.  The Fact that the Ship I am basing her design on has the same 5 turrets but they are all tripples on 10K tons did not escape me however I believe our tech is not up to that standard yet as USS Helena was laid down in the late 1930's as one of the USN' first Large Light Cruisers.

[ctwaterman]

Air Dropped Torpedoes in 14", 16" and a few attempts with 18" have all been attempted starting by Italia [Me]  :P in the Rift War.... honestly I was aiming for the merchant ships with my orders.

I expected to fail... I really did but someone had to make the first real attempt in combat ;)  The New Swiss just happened to volunteer their Cruisers for the first successful combat torpedo attack ever  ;)

Next the RRC has been throwing Litterally Thousands of aircraft into its maritime war.  But realisiticaly other then merchant ships there only targets have been small destroyers and Torpedo Boats.  Not good when the target is 1/4 or more the speed of the airplane.

And finally the New Swiss just got some pay back on the Maori fleet and would have gotten more if somebody hadnot decided that enought of these flimsy wooden flying things I can see the Airfield blow it up.... :o ::) :'(

[Darman]

If the designers of the US Standards could figure this out in the real world, with a minimum of real combat expierance to test torpedoes vs. battleships, I'm sure it could be figured out here.

They didn't test it out even in non-combat situations? 

And just goes to show how much I remembered about the Rift War...

[TexanCowboy]

In non-combat situations, but ct can easily say that UNK has been doing that.

[ctwaterman]

No Nation in the 1920 and 1930 did seriously realistic testing of their equipment.   What is the term... Congress might fire a commanding officer for loosing something as valuable and expensive as a torpedo and well firing one with a live warhead to test it well that was an even bigger no no.

Budget constraints forced on all navys by economic situation were harsh.   And risking collisions in night manuvers was unacceptible.   By 1940 only the Japanese had taken the occasional lump and actually done full on night training including live test firing of torpedoes.

Given the expense of even a single ship firing a full load of torpedoes this level of training show real commitment to the concept.   The proof of this level of training was in the early surface battles in South West Pacific and then around Guadacanal until USN commanders learned to trust and effectively utlize the brand new Radars just entering the fleet.

[P3D]

Quite a few hulls (mostly war prizes + Tosa) were filled with holes right after WNT.
And there were scaled torpedo protection experiments.