Design Bureau Hamburg ,Treaty GBB

[ledeper]

As of 21/2 the  Bureau offers this design for sale/building:

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1921

Displacement:
   40.229 t light; 42.066 t standard; 45.794 t normal; 48.777 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   824,34 ft / 820,21 ft x 127,95 ft x 28,71 ft (normal load)
   251,26 m / 250,00 m x 39,00 m  x 8,75 m

Armament:
     6 - 17,91" / 455 mm guns (3x2 guns), 2.874,11lbs / 1.303,67kg shells, 1921 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
     16 - 4,92" / 125 mm guns in single mounts, 59,59lbs / 27,03kg shells, 1921 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
     10 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,95lbs / 0,89kg shells, 1921 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 18.218 lbs / 8.263 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 90

Armour:
  - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13,8" / 350 mm   378,94 ft / 115,50 m   16,67 ft / 5,08 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   4,72" / 120 mm   378,94 ft / 115,50 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 71 % of normal length

  - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,97" / 50 mm   378,94 ft / 115,50 m   27,10 ft / 8,26 m

  - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13,8" / 350 mm   9,84" / 250 mm      13,8" / 350 mm
   2nd:   1,18" / 30 mm   0,39" / 10 mm            -
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

  - Armour deck: 4,72" / 120 mm, Conning tower: 13,78" / 350 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric cruising motors plus geared drives, 4 shafts, 79.804 shp / 59.534 Kw = 25,00 kts
   Range 12.000nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 6.711 tons

Complement:
   1.564 - 2.034

Cost:
   £9,432 million / $37,730 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2.277 tons, 5,0 %
   Armour: 14.856 tons, 32,4 %
      - Belts: 4.806 tons, 10,5 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 748 tons, 1,6 %
      - Armament: 2.628 tons, 5,7 %
      - Armour Deck: 6.295 tons, 13,7 %
      - Conning Tower: 380 tons, 0,8 %
   Machinery: 2.748 tons, 6,0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 19.847 tons, 43,3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5.566 tons, 12,2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 500 tons, 1,1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     74.736 lbs / 33.900 Kg = 26,0 x 17,9 " / 455 mm shells or 14,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,18
   Metacentric height 9,8 ft / 3,0 m
   Roll period: 17,2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,27
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,532
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,41 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 28,64 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 41 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1,15 ft / 0,35 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      16,90 ft / 5,15 m
      - Forecastle (0 %):   16,90 ft / 5,15 m
      - Mid (50 %):      16,90 ft / 5,15 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16,90 ft / 5,15 m
      - Stern:      16,90 ft / 5,15 m
      - Average freeboard:   16,90 ft / 5,15 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 69,3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 148,2 %
   Waterplane Area: 72.020 Square feet or 6.691 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 117 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 227 lbs/sq ft or 1.110 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1,11
      - Longitudinal: 0,97
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Or for the "nitpicks": :D :D :D :D

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1921

Displacement:
   39.995 t light; 41.827 t standard; 45.538 t normal; 48.507 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   807,93 ft / 803,81 ft x 127,95 ft x 28,71 ft (normal load)
   246,26 m / 245,00 m x 39,00 m  x 8,75 m

Armament:
      6 - 17,91" / 455 mm guns (3x2 guns), 2.874,11lbs / 1.303,67kg shells, 1921 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      16 - 4,92" / 125 mm guns in single mounts, 59,59lbs / 27,03kg shells, 1921 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      10 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,95lbs / 0,89kg shells, 1921 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 18.218 lbs / 8.263 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 90

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13,8" / 350 mm   378,94 ft / 115,50 m   16,67 ft / 5,08 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   5,91" / 150 mm   378,94 ft / 115,50 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 73 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,97" / 50 mm   378,94 ft / 115,50 m   27,10 ft / 8,26 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13,8" / 350 mm   9,84" / 250 mm      13,8" / 350 mm
   2nd:   1,18" / 30 mm   0,39" / 10 mm            -
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 5,12" / 130 mm, Conning tower: 13,78" / 350 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric cruising motors plus geared drives, 4 shafts, 80.272 shp / 59.883 Kw = 25,00 kts
   Range 12.000nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 6.680 tons

Complement:
   1.558 - 2.026

Cost:
   £9,417 million / $37,669 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2.277 tons, 5,0 %
   Armour: 15.455 tons, 33,9 %
      - Belts: 4.969 tons, 10,9 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 748 tons, 1,6 %
      - Armament: 2.628 tons, 5,8 %
      - Armour Deck: 6.732 tons, 14,8 %
      - Conning Tower: 379 tons, 0,8 %
   Machinery: 2.764 tons, 6,1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 18.998 tons, 41,7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5.543 tons, 12,2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 500 tons, 1,1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     73.191 lbs / 33.199 Kg = 25,5 x 17,9 " / 455 mm shells or 14,0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,17
   Metacentric height 9,7 ft / 3,0 m
   Roll period: 17,2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,28
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,02

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,540
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,28 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 28,35 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 42 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1,15 ft / 0,35 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      16,90 ft / 5,15 m
      - Forecastle (0 %):   16,90 ft / 5,15 m
      - Mid (50 %):      16,90 ft / 5,15 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16,90 ft / 5,15 m
      - Stern:      16,90 ft / 5,15 m
      - Average freeboard:   16,90 ft / 5,15 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 69,8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 146,9 %
   Waterplane Area: 71.097 Square feet or 6.605 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 115 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 220 lbs/sq ft or 1.077 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1,07
      - Longitudinal: 0,97
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

[Walter]

In both designs, x-sectional strength is greater than the longitudinal so you could raise the freeboard a bit in order to gain more overall hull strength. Then you could alter it a bit more so the design actually is less than 40,000 tons. :)
... not that Japan cares about that. :D

[ledeper]

It is just a "business" item ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Carthaginian]

The CSA will prefer smaller ships that can be in more places at once, which fire more shells with a larger chance to hit.
An 18" gun looks nice on paper... but we'll stick to something a bit more reasonable.

[ledeper]

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1921

Displacement:
   39.522 t light; 41.344 t standard; 45.034 t normal; 47.986 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   775,18 ft / 771,00 ft x 127,95 ft x 28,38 ft (normal load)
   236,28 m / 235,00 m x 39,00 m  x 8,65 m

Armament:
      6 - 17,91" / 455 mm guns (3x2 guns), 2.874,11lbs / 1.303,67kg shells, 1921 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      16 - 4,92" / 125 mm guns in single mounts, 59,59lbs / 27,03kg shells, 1921 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      10 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,95lbs / 0,89kg shells, 1921 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 18.218 lbs / 8.263 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 90

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13,8" / 350 mm   444,55 ft / 135,50 m   16,67 ft / 5,08 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   5,91" / 150 mm   444,55 ft / 135,50 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 89 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,97" / 50 mm   444,55 ft / 135,50 m   27,10 ft / 8,26 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13,8" / 350 mm   9,84" / 250 mm      13,8" / 350 mm
   2nd:   1,18" / 30 mm   0,39" / 10 mm            -
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 5,12" / 130 mm, Conning tower: 13,78" / 350 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric cruising motors plus geared drives, 4 shafts, 81.703 shp / 60.951 Kw = 25,00 kts
   Range 12.000nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 6.642 tons

Complement:
   1.545 - 2.009

Cost:
   £9,393 million / $37,571 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2.277 tons, 5,1 %
   Armour: 16.083 tons, 35,7 %
      - Belts: 5.573 tons, 12,4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 877 tons, 1,9 %
      - Armament: 2.658 tons, 5,9 %
      - Armour Deck: 6.599 tons, 14,7 %
      - Conning Tower: 376 tons, 0,8 %
   Machinery: 2.813 tons, 6,2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 17.849 tons, 39,6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5.512 tons, 12,2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 500 tons, 1,1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     72.802 lbs / 33.022 Kg = 25,3 x 17,9 " / 455 mm shells or 14,1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,21
   Metacentric height 10,2 ft / 3,1 m
   Roll period: 16,8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,27
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,07

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,563
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,03 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 27,77 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1,15 ft / 0,35 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      17,22 ft / 5,25 m
      - Forecastle (0 %):   17,22 ft / 5,25 m
      - Mid (50 %):      17,22 ft / 5,25 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   17,22 ft / 5,25 m
      - Stern:      16,90 ft / 5,15 m
      - Average freeboard:   17,20 ft / 5,24 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 70,9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 148,0 %
   Waterplane Area: 69.692 Square feet or 6.475 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 212 lbs/sq ft or 1.033 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1,03
      - Longitudinal: 1,00
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

;D ;D ;D :D :D 8) ;)

[Carthaginian]

The CSA's next design s probably going to be some 10,000 tons lighter and carry more on the order of 5x2x15".

[Guinness]

IMHO a ship with more 16" guns is a better deal, but I'm no Jackie Fisher.

[Desertfox]

Overarmored, undergunned and too slow... ;D

[ledeper]

A treaty version:

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1921

Displacement:
   34.935 t light; 36.783 t standard; 39.603 t normal; 41.858 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   721,65 ft / 717,19 ft x 124,67 ft x 29,53 ft (normal load)
   219,96 m / 218,60 m x 38,00 m  x 9,00 m

Armament:
     6 - 17,91" / 455 mm guns (2x3 guns), 2.874,11lbs / 1.303,67kg shells, 1921 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
     20 - 0,00" / 0,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,00lbs / 0,00kg shells, 1921 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
     10 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,95lbs / 0,89kg shells, 1921 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 17.264 lbs / 7.831 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 110

Armour:
  - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13,8" / 350 mm   410,11 ft / 125,00 m   16,67 ft / 5,08 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   5,91" / 150 mm   410,11 ft / 125,00 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 88 % of normal length

  - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13,8" / 350 mm   9,84" / 250 mm      11,8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   1,18" / 30 mm   0,39" / 10 mm            -
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

  - Armour deck: 4,72" / 120 mm, Conning tower: 13,78" / 350 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric cruising motors plus geared drives, 4 shafts, 88.092 shp / 65.717 Kw = 26,00 kts
   Range 10.000nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 5.075 tons

Complement:
   1.403 - 1.824

Cost:
   £8,808 million / $35,231 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2.158 tons, 5,4 %
   Armour: 12.878 tons, 32,5 %
      - Belts: 5.166 tons, 13,0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
      - Armament: 2.039 tons, 5,1 %
      - Armour Deck: 5.328 tons, 13,5 %
      - Conning Tower: 345 tons, 0,9 %
   Machinery: 3.033 tons, 7,7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 16.215 tons, 40,9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4.667 tons, 11,8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 650 tons, 1,6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     59.374 lbs / 26.932 Kg = 20,7 x 17,9 " / 455 mm shells or 5,7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,21
   Metacentric height 9,8 ft / 3,0 m
   Roll period: 16,7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,32
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,18

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,525
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5,75 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26,78 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 63
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,98 ft / 0,30 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   19,65 ft / 5,99 m
      - Mid (50 %):      19,65 ft / 5,99 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   19,65 ft / 5,99 m
      - Stern:      19,65 ft / 5,99 m
      - Average freeboard:   19,65 ft / 5,99 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 68,3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 162,6 %
   Waterplane Area: 60.961 Square feet or 5.663 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 211 lbs/sq ft or 1.030 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,96
      - Longitudinal: 1,43
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Armour inclined 10´dg
Armour:All Imp. KC types +10% as all Esc vessels laid down since 17/2!!

[Nobody]

What do you intent to charge for one of those?

[ledeper]

$ 70 paid in four rates

[Tanthalas]

not to nitpick but the 20 0,00" / 0,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,00lbs / 0,00kg shells of the secondary battery arnt going to do much against a TB =P