Confederate Ship Designs: 1919 and Beyond...

[Carthaginian]

Meh, not a review of any player... just of the man. ;)

[Guinness]

You guys never gave Wilson a chance. Hell, he was President for all of what? 2 years?

At any rate, the only significant thing that even happened before he got killed off was he got his panties in a wad over some rather rude French behavior.

He navigated the Mesoamerican situation rather adeptly, kept his nose safely out of the 4th Pacific War, and laid groundwork for continued good relations with the UNK and Rohan. He also never actually cut military spending.

I suppose some in the CSA might have an issue with Wilson even bothering to talk with the Colombians, but even then nothing much came of it. "Words not war" surely got some people's noses out of joint, but that was mostly politics, nothing more.

A lot of nosy Woodrow happened during Teddy's administration, with Teddy's tacit approval and even occasional prodding. I know the Italians likely had it out for him after nosing in to their happy little war in Africa, but he believed he was doing the right thing. In the long run, Wilson backers will likely argue that he saved the Italians from a long and expensive war over an insignificant little territory (NZ).

Plus he was just as much fun as Teddy to write. His combination of puritan and intellectual, coupled with his diverse side interests left lots of material available. Wilson the avid golfer? Yep! Wilson the automobile buff. Yep! Wilson the big baseball fan? Got that too!

I suppose this post is probably now his obituary. :(

Should we be expecting TR's triumphant return? We'll have to see. He's likely got arthritis and coronary artery disease.

I only wish I could remember who I'd planned to be Vice-President. Doesn't look like I every wrote that down anywhere.

[Carthaginian]

You guys never gave Wilson a chance. Hell, he was President for all of what? 2 years?

I suppose this post is probably now his obituary. :(

Should we be expecting TR's triumphant return? We'll have to see. He's likely got arthritis and coronary artery disease.

Teddy- heck no.
Theodore Roosevelt was a man who knew his limitations- including retirement.
No, he's got his finger in the pot, but this time only as flavor- he's not actually stirring the soup.

Off the record - Couldn't do much with Wilson. I don't like the 'Appeasement' angle in politics, have never cared for baseball, and couldn't ever get below 80 in a round of golf. Cars only interest me insofar as reliability and pulling power.

Wilson might have been a man with many interests, but he was a man who shared few of my own. I just need someone easier to relate to, and easier to write for.

[Guinness]

You guys never gave Wilson a chance. Hell, he was President for all of what? 2 years?

I suppose this post is probably now his obituary. :(

Should we be expecting TR's triumphant return? We'll have to see. He's likely got arthritis and coronary artery disease.

Teddy- heck no.
Theodore Roosevelt was a man who knew his limitations- including retirement.
No, he's got his finger in the pot, but this time only as flavor- he's not actually stirring the soup.

OTL he was prepping for another White House run in 1920 when he died.

[Carthaginian]

OTL he was prepping for another White House run in 1920 when he died.

OTL politics are a bit more tame than their N-verse counterparts. ;)
And quite a bit less hazardous to one's health.

[Carthaginian]

Anyway- the CSA has always very deficient in mine-warfare ships (initially as a 'character' thing) and has never had any large mine-laying vessels. These ships are for fast work under 'not so friendly' circumstances.

Another class of smaller, more sedate minelayers with a high payload and lower speed for handling weapon deployment in less stressful environments is forthcoming.

[ctwaterman]

A lot of nosy Woodrow happened during Teddy's administration, with Teddy's tacit approval and even occasional prodding. I know the Italians likely had it out for him after nosing in to their happy little war in Africa, but he believed he was doing the right thing. In the long run, Wilson backers will likely argue that he saved the Italians from a long and expensive war over an insignificant little territory (NZ).

Arrrghh.  Ok the most I ever planned was to ruin him politically... put a mistress in his bed actually killing him NO.   That being said yes Wilson was not the CSA best president or Foreign Secretary that Italia ever delt with and we much prefered the more Pragmatic Walk Quietly and carry a big stick Roosevelt.

Oh not bad for Protected Mine Warfare Cruisers

[Guinness]

Another class of smaller, more sedate minelayers with a high payload and lower speed for handling weapon deployment in less stressful environments is forthcoming.

The S-21's equipped for minelaying might be a good place to start there. 36 mines on 18 knots on 300t.

When war with GC was looking much more likely, I messed around with a 500t DD tech minelayer too: http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=4415.0

(I really like how the illustrations there came out, it's a pity they never actually got built)

Of course, the CSA may prefer clean sheet designs in either realm.

[Nobody]

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   400.00 ft / 400.00 ft x 50.00 ft x 22.00 ft (normal load)
   121.92 m / 121.92 m x 15.24 m  x 6.71 m

That's just a tad too long for a type 1 slip, isn't it?

[Guinness]

This isn't really an issue for the CSA, which has 8 type 2 slips and 10 type 2 drydocks.

[Carthaginian]

I really liked the 500t 'Emergency Destroyer' designs. Much like the

TR-200

that I fielded, they are a good compromise between numbers and ability. I never really saw the need to build full-sized fleet destroyers in the Gulf. The

G-class

, or a ship based off it, might see life in 1919.

The minelayers I had in mind, though, are not destroyer-based, but rather dedicated minelayers- slow and steady with big bellies that disgorge many things that go *BOOM*. A ship of 2000t, built to mercantile standards and making 15 knots on some low-RPM diesels could carry several hundred mines.

[Jefgte]

The only reserve is about the 120m SW & DD use for building 82m DDs

You have probably much 70m SW & DD free & finaly not very much use in your fleet.

IMO
Build 120m DDs 1200t or 1500t & build 70m DDs 400 or 450t DDs
are the optimisation of the shipyards possibilities...


Jef  ;)

[The Rock Doctor]

I generally like the minelayer-cruiser, but am not sure about deck space.  I think you'd be better off to omit the 3.5" secondary to allow adequate firing arcs for the main and AA battery, room for ship's boats, and the substantial area required for hundreds of mines.

[ledeper]

The Esc made those some years ago,as a sort of "dual-purpose"cruisers,agreed there is "only" 60 mines:
http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=1675.msg22913#msg22913

[Carthaginian]

I generally like the minelayer-cruiser, but am not sure about deck space.  I think you'd be better off to omit the 3.5" secondary to allow adequate firing arcs for the main and AA battery, room for ship's boats, and the substantial area required for hundreds of mines.

Rock,

She's pound-for-pound identical to a Soviet minelayer- except for the speed, of course. The secondary arrangement is a bit strange and fairly tight... but they fit well (and there are actually SEVEN on the Sov ship).
http://www.warshipsww2.eu/lode.php?language=E&period=&idtrida=1168