Aircraft of New Switzerland as of 1918

[Logi]

No my planes had long enough ranges, they operated out of Kunming. Temporary airfields were started in the war but finished after it ended. There's a reason why only a few hundred were used in the war which I have a few thousand in total. Most of my planes didn't have that kind of range.

[Desertfox]

Kunming was a 1914 strip at the time, and is 200 miles away (at the closest) from the Indochinese border. You need an aircraft with at least a 500 mile range to do anything, which you did not have at the time. Oh and BTW the NAMCo NA-01 does not meet the tech tree, 3/5 of the planes you mentioned are 1917+ and it looks like you took the best specs from each one and combined them. There is no way a 1916 plane can go 700 miles while carrying a 2,000 lb bombload.

[TexanCowboy]

True dat  ;D. The best you could do is my long range bomber. Oh, he can have a 500 mile range, but with only 1,500 pounds of bombs and $1.6 per 100 planes.

[ctwaterman]

*evil chuckle*

I did post a story about the 50 Aircraft I sent to help the French in Kolkatta and what 6 months of deployment in monsoon rains, and tropical heat will do to a fabric aircraft...

Notes:  I used to have 900 1916 Historic Aircraft now I have 850 -  Also I will need to replace all my trainers in the near future I figure they have had all between 2 1/2 and 4 Years of Full WT operational use even if nobody was shooting at them well accept for a few losses over New Zion.... anyway those aircraft will be retired by HY2 1919 and replaced with purpose built trainers.

[Logi]

Funny you mention your bomber Texan when you obvious forgot to mention that my bomber has a larger wing area and span than yours as well as one more engine.

The NAMCO Na-01 DOES meet the tech tree. And if I remember correctly I DID pay $1.6 per 100 NAMCO planes. If you call getting the stats and extending the wing span for more lift giving it more/stronger engines and THEN downgrading the airplane's capacities in almsot every aspect, "taking the best specs from each one and combing them" you have a serious problem with your definition.

The wing span of the NAMCO is 88 ft, over 25 ft more than Texan's as well as having almost 200 more HP than Texan's. Do I really need to stack the specs? I have two less crew as well as two less machineguns. Not adding the fact that the NAMCO is a 1916 plane where as Texan's is a 1914 plane. Oh, yes, I've totally rigged my planes.

Comparing to Texan's refered site for his bomber, the 1916 bomber has almost a payload of 2000lbs, has more MGs, higher speed, it seems stupid of my bomber to have what it has in 1916 tech. Sure.

[TexanCowboy]

Oh, you have 1916 tech? I thought you only had 1914.   ;D

EDIT: The Silorsky V was built in 1915, so no, it isn't a 1914 plane.

[Logi]

I have 1916 tech >:(

[Desertfox]

Comparision of your plane to the planes you based it on. Interstingly, all of them are 1918, except for the G.III which is 1917, while you are limited to 1916 tech.

Also you only carry 300 lbs of fuel, while the O/400 (same HP and range) can carry 900 lbs.


Name: NAMCo NA-01
Contractor: NAMCo (National Aviation Manufacturing Company)
Type: Long-Distance Heavy Bomber (Bi)
Crew: 3 - Pilot, Gunner, bombardier
Length: 54 ft
Wingspan: 88 ft
Height: 13 ft
Empty Weight: ~6,900 Pounds
MTOW: ~10,000 Pounds
Engine: 5 x 150 HP Engine (two on each wing, one in fuselage) (750 hp total)
Maximum speed: 90 mph
Range: 700 Mi
Endurance: 12 Hours
Ceiling: ~11,500 feet
Armament: 1 x Forward-Firing 10mm MG (behind propeller)
Payload: Up to 2,000 Pounds of external ordinance - usually 250lb bombs or 100 pounds bombs.

OOC: Based on Friedrichshafen G.III, Handley Page H.P. O/400, Martin MB-1, Caproni Ca.36



Friedrichshafen G.III (1917)


Crew: 3
Length: 42 ft
Wingspan: 77 ft 9.25 in
Height: 12 ft
Wing area: 1,023 ft²
Empty weight: 5,941 lb
Max takeoff weight: 8,664 lb
Powerplant: 2× Mercedes D.IVa inline engine, 260 hp each (520 hp total)
Maximum speed: 84 mph
Range: 5 hours, 373 mi
Service ceiling: 14,764 ft
Armament: Usually 2-3 machine guns, maximum warload of 2,200 lb




Handley Page O/400 (1918)

Crew: 4 or 5
Length: 62 ft 10¼ in
Wingspan: 100 ft
Height: 22 ft
Wing area: 1,648 ft²
Empty weight: 8,502 lb
Max takeoff weight: 13,360 lb
Powerplant: 2× Rolls-Royce Eagle VIII inline piston, 360 hpb each (720hp total)
Maximum speed: 97.5 mph
Range: 700 mi
Service ceiling: 8,500 ft
Endurance: 8 hours
Armament 5 × machine guns
Bombs: Up to 2,000 lb of bombs



Martin MB-1 (1918)

Crew: 3 (pilot, bombardier, gunner)
Length: 44 ft 10 in
Wingspan: 71 ft 5 in
Height: 14 ft 7 in
Wing area: 1,070 ft²
Empty weight: 6,702 lb
Gross weight: 10,225 lb
Powerplant: 2 × Liberty 12A liquid-cooled Vee, 400 hp each (800 hp total)
Maximum speed: 105 mph
Cruise speed: 92 mph
Range: 390 miles
Service ceiling: 10,300 ft
Armament: Five .30-cal. machine guns, 1,040 lbs. of bombs



Caproni Ca.36 (1918)

Crew: 4 (pilot, co-pilot, front gunner, and rear gunner/mechanic)
Length: 36 ft 3 in
Wingspan: 74 ft 7 in
Height: 12 ft 2 in
Wing area: 1,029 ft²
Empty weight: 5,060 lb
Max takeoff weight: 8,360 lb
Powerplant: 3× Isotta-Fraschini V.4B, 112 kW (150 hp) each  (450 hp total)
Maximum speed: 86 mph
Range: 374 mi
Service ceiling: 25,892 ft
Armament: 2  machine guns, 1,760 lb of bombs

[TexanCowboy]

I know the second one was created in 1918, so you can't have it. You can have the O/100... STOP STEALING MY PLANE TYPES!!!  ;D

[Logi]

I fail to understand how you came to the conclusion I can only carry 300lbs of fuel.

DF I DID downgrade the capabilities of my plane to compensate of the 1916-1917 difference.

[Desertfox]

Max Takeoff - Empty - Armament - Crewmen = Fuel Weight (10,000 - 6,900 - 2,200 - 600 = 300lbs)

I don't see how you downgraded the specs, your plane has a higher ceiling than 2 others, a higher max speed that 2 others, carries more bombs than 2 others, and has a much longer range than 3 others. Yeah it only has 1 MG but that's about all the downgrading you've done. In the critical range vs payload capabilities, your plane is considerably better than 3 and matches 1. 

[Logi]

Because it has a total of 750hp power whereas the other are in the 600 range and only one has 800hp. The O/400 is the only plane with a larger wing span and it has a smaller wing area (its a sequiplane, mine's not).

Of course I must question your calculation:

How did that addition 200 pounds get added to the armament? To my knowledge a 10mm MG doesn't weight 200 pounds. Its just a 10mm MG mounted on a stick in the middle of the cockpit.

I might have to adjust the numbers, these were 1914 numbers (which I quite obviously did wrong). I didn't get the chance to adjust them yet.

[TexanCowboy]

A machine gun weighes about 100-120 pounds. Add that to the ammo and you get about 200 pounds.

[Tanthalas]

A machine gun weighes about 100-120 pounds. Add that to the ammo and you get about 200 pounds.

I tend to agree having some small amount of experiance with Modern MGs.  200 pounds is about right for Period.

[Logi]

Ah right, sorry I was thinking about a 10mm autorifle, not a MG.