Aircraft of New Switzerland as of 1918

[Desertfox]

For those of you interested in buying planes...

I'll post complete specs as soon as I have the time as some planes are slightly different (ie S-4 is a fighter, not a trainer).

Thomas-Morse:
S.IV Swift (Thomas-Morse S-4)
C.IV Shrike (Caudron G.6)

Hawker:
C.II Hurricane (Bristol F2B)

Wright:
A.IV Ferret I (LVG CVI)
D.II Foxhound I (Albatros DII)
A.V Ferret II (Albatros CV)
B.IV Fathom II (AEG GIV)
B.V Flagon (Gotha GIV)

Curtiss:
N.II Finback (Felixstowe F2)

[Desertfox]

Thomas-Morse is located in Sydney Australia. It specializes in rotary engined power aircraft. Its first aircraft was the unarmed single-seat Scout (OTL Bristol Scout). An advanced version would be built with a foward firing gun firing over the wing.





Thomas-Morse S.IV Swift

Based on the Scout, the Swift was designed from the begining as a fighter. It currently forms the bulk of the Swiss Air Force fighters. Easy to fly, it is also extremely maneuverable. A few (S.IVN) are used by the Navy in both the floatplane and wheeled version. It is very popular among pilots.

Type: Scout, Fighter, Advanced Trainer

Crew: 1
Length: 19 ft 10 in
Wingspan: 26 ft 6 in
Wing area: 254 ft²
Empty weight: 790 lb
Gross weight: 1,250 lb
Powerplant: 1 × Aircooled rotary, 100 hp 

Maximum speed: 112 mph
Service ceiling: 17,000 ft
Endurance: 3 hours
Climb to 10,000 ft : 14 min

Weapons: 1 x 7.62mm machine-gun


***



http://membres.lycos.fr/wings2/3vues/caudron_g6.jpg

Thomas-Morse C.VI Shrike

A big, powerful multi-role aircraft. A torpedo-carrying version is being evaluated by the Navy.

Type: Heavy Fighter, Army Cooperation, Reconnaissance

Crew: 2-3
Length: 28 ft 3 in
Wingspan: 56 ft 6 in
Wing area: 254 ft²
Empty weight: 2,070 lb
Gross weight: 3,170 lb
Powerplant: 2 × Aircooled rotary, 140 hp 

Maximum speed: 100 mph
Service ceiling: 15,500 ft
Endurance: 3 hours

Weapons: 2-3 x 7.62mm machine-guns, up to 400 lbs of bombs

[Desertfox]

Hawker is also based in Sydney Australia. It started out by building Wright aircraft under license, but is now designing its own planes, and will soon roll out a single seat fighter.


http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/england/bristol_f-2b.gif


Hawker C.II Hurricane

Type: Heavy Fighter, Army Cooperation

Crew: 2
Length: 25 ft 10 in
Wingspan: 39 ft 3 in
Wing area: 405 ft²
Empty weight: 2,150 lb
Max takeoff weight: 3,240 lb
Powerplant: 1× Liquid-cooled V12 engine, 190 hp

Maximum speed: 120 mph
Range: 350 mi
Service ceiling: 18,000 ft
Weapons: 2-3 x 7.62mm machine-guns, up to 200 lbs of bombs

[Walter]

So from what I can see, you're using the Thomas-Morse S-4C (a 1918 version of a 1917 plane) as base and make it even better range-wise (+30 min), speed-wise (+17 mph) and ceiling-wise (+2,000 ft) with roughly the same climb rate at slightly less weight (did you throw out the pilot telling him that he's fired? ;D ) while you only have the "1913: historical 1916 aircrafts" tech.

Should you not just keep the base outlines (dimensions, weight, engine) and downgrade the performance instead of making it better than a historical plane of a higher tech level? I doubt you will gain those increases if you were to fly that plane with me hanging onto it and then I let go of the plane. And I am a lot heavier than 80 lbs.

[Desertfox]

I used the specs from the Sopwith Pup, which is a 1916 plane.

[Walter]

Should it not be

S.IV Swift (Sopwith Pup)

then? :D

[ctwaterman]

I think he wanted the Nice Picture without sacraficing the performance of a real top of the line 1916 Aircraft...
Not all aircraft designed in 1917/1918 were supperior to their 1916 Counter Parts built else where.

But your going to need a Bomb load of at least 500 Lbs realistically more like 750 Lbs to carry even a 16" Aireal Torpedo.

[Walter]

I think he wanted the Nice Picture without sacraficing the performance of a real top of the line 1916 Aircraft...

Like I said, it should have read "S.IV Swift (Sopwith Pup)". :)

But your going to need a Bomb load of at least 500 Lbs realistically more like 750 Lbs to carry even a 16" Aireal Torpedo.

Looking at navweaps, the lightest pre-WW2 torpedo I could find was the 14.2" Howell of 1870 (580 lbs). So yes, depeding on what kind of torpedo DF has in mind, he's going to need a lot more than 400 lbs in order to carry a torpedo, probably more than the 750 you indicated.

[Desertfox]

Well I was originally going to use the Hanriot HD1 but someone got to that plane first. So since I already had Thomas-Morse might as well go with one of their planes, course with different specs. That said, the S-4 is very similar to the Pup dimensions wise, and the N-verse version has a 100 hp rotary compared to OTL 80 hp.

As for the torpedo bomber, specs look similar to the Sopwith Cuckoo which could carry a 1,000 lb 18" torpedo. So I figure a modified version can carry a 14" 700lb torp.

[Walter]

Well I was originally going to use the Hanriot HD1 but someone got to that plane first.

So? Italy also uses the Felixstowe F.2 which you have in your list. Not sure why that should stop you from 'borrowing' the Hanriot HD1 as well. :)

[Desertfox]

Well I couldn't just turn into Italy West. I did have a suitable replacement for the HD1 but not for the F.2. What I am curious about is where did Italy get its Curtiss planes. I'm pretty sure I didn't sell any.

[miketr]

Well I couldn't just turn into Italy West. I did have a suitable replacement for the HD1 but not for the F.2. What I am curious about is where did Italy get its Curtiss planes. I'm pretty sure I didn't sell any.

My own thought is NO ONE has the historic Curtiss aircraft.  Different nations have various aircraft and some might look like the Curtiss or might not.  The different aircraft are no more than flavor text what matters is respective tech levels.

[Desertfox]

Nah, Italy specificlly mentioned Curtiss Aircraft, and Curtiss was the only major OTL manufacture I was sure to steal way back in 1912.

[Walter]

From what I know, the company is Swiss... and here is the quoted bit in the Italian encyclopedia.

The Caproni Flying Boat One is a licensed version of an earlier Curtis Flying Boat the Curtis H-2 and H-4 Models.  As of the 1916 the Empire is producing limited numbers similar to the Curtis H-12.  With a total of 50 such Aircraft in Service

[miketr]

DF again I can have an Aircraft that looks and quacks like the Curtiss, its just flavor text.