Brandenburger Schlachtschiffe 1918

[Logi]

Just a note Texan, might be wise to start getting the light tonnage to end in 500s or thousands. It saves a lot of bean-counting.

[Tanthalas]

uhm why not post it in your own (aka the CSA) ship thread... and all posts in this forum are OOC...

[Sachmle]

Threadjacking aside, not bad if not a little large for a nation that's known for economy BBs. You're last one was 30k, this is 42k..that's a hell of a jump in tonnage? How did you convince Congress to do this?

[Walter]

How did you convince Congress to do this?

[Terrible Haiku mode on]
A horse's head
In a bed
The ship will soon be built
[Terrible Haiku mode off]
:D

[TexanCowboy]

Well, I'm not the one building it. And this is not made known to Congress. They think the frigates were scrapped. The next local battleships will be about 36,000 tons, mounting double turrets with 16.5'' guns.

[Tanthalas]

Well, I'm not the one building it. And this is not made known to Congress. They think the frigates were scrapped. The next local battleships will be about 36,000 tons, mounting double turrets with 16.5'' guns.

not to nitpick, but you have one major issue having it compleated by 1922.  Turrets take 1HY per tube to develop, so unless Japan has a tripple 15" mount (and IDK if they do or not) but you have to have the mount developed before you can build the ship.  As such H219 would be the soonest to start construction on it.

[TexanCowboy]

Crud... I started it in 1917 H2.... so I can start in H1 1919. Or I can try to buy hooper's UNK turret...

[Sachmle]

So she'd be in service in 2/23.

[hooper82]

Turret aquired from the UNK. Problem solved.

er...

A UNK Foreign ministry spokesperson denies any deal between the UNK and CSA regarding naval weaponry.  A CSA representative has approached the UNK for a Twin 15" turret design (<OOC>which would then have to be R&Ded for 1 year to integrate</OOC>), but at this stage no deal has been struck.

The UNK Government is unhappy with the current actions of the CSA government, including the enforcment of its stance on Black Rights, trades of weaponry to foreign powers and trades offered to us that where thought to be in "poor taste" from a supposed ally.

[Sachmle]

NOW BACK TO OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAMMING

Yes that means stop jacking my thread and get your own  >:(

Decided that the armor was overkill for now, so trimmed the weight back. The decided that a mass of 13cm guns is better than some 15cm and some 8.8cm. Now boast 15 13cm guns to a side. Figure rate of fire is 4-5 rpm or 60-75 shells per minute. Should be satisfactory against most TB/DDs. And yes Borys, she's undergunned by KKK standards. :D



Ersatz N, Brandenburger Schlachtschiffe laid down 1918 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   32,500 t light; 34,016 t standard; 36,140 t normal; 37,839 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   672.57 ft / 666.01 ft x 106.63 ft x 29.63 ft (normal load)
   205.00 m / 203.00 m x 32.50 m  x 9.03 m

Armament:
     8 - 14.96" / 380 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1,653.47lbs / 750.00kg shells, 1918 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
     16 - 5.12" / 130 mm guns in single mounts, 68.34lbs / 31.00kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     16 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
     14 - 5.12" / 130 mm guns in single mounts, 68.34lbs / 31.00kg shells, 1918 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     4 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm guns in single mounts, 22.05lbs / 10.00kg shells, 1918 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
     12 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm guns (6x2 guns), 3.86lbs / 1.75kg shells, 1918 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 15,413 lbs / 6,991 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 90
   4 - 19.7" / 500 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
  - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.8" / 350 mm   433.07 ft / 132.00 m   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm   232.94 ft / 71.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   285.43 ft / 87.00 m   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

  - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.97" / 50 mm   433.07 ft / 132.00 m   37.73 ft / 11.50 m

  - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   15.0" / 380 mm   7.87" / 200 mm      13.8" / 350 mm
   2nd:   5.91" / 150 mm   1.97" / 50 mm      3.94" / 100 mm
   3rd:   3.94" / 100 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      2.95" / 75 mm
   4th:   1.97" / 50 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

  - Armour deck: 2.95" / 75 mm, Conning tower: 14.96" / 380 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 58,500 shp / 43,641 Kw = 23.50 kts
   Range 9,500nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,824 tons

Complement:
   1,309 - 1,703

Cost:
   £6.147 million / $24.590 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,942 tons, 5.4 %
   Armour: 14,097 tons, 39.0 %
      - Belts: 5,982 tons, 16.6 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 1,190 tons, 3.3 %
      - Armament: 3,732 tons, 10.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 2,840 tons, 7.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 352 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 2,180 tons, 6.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 13,657 tons, 37.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,640 tons, 10.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 625 tons, 1.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     57,016 lbs / 25,862 Kg = 34.1 x 15.0 " / 380 mm shells or 10.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
   Metacentric height 6.7 ft / 2.0 m
   Roll period: 17.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.59
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.46

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.601
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.25 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 25.81 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 14.70 degrees
   Stern overhang: -4.10 ft / -1.25 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   22.01 ft / 6.71 m
      - Mid (50 %):      22.01 ft / 6.71 m
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   22.01 ft / 6.71 m
      - Stern:      22.01 ft / 6.71 m
      - Average freeboard:   22.25 ft / 6.78 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 78.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 166.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 51,998 Square feet or 4,831 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 194 lbs/sq ft or 946 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.50
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

All Armor is 1915 Improved KC
Main Belt is Sloped 10 Degrees
250t Reserved for 1912 Main Fire Control
250t Reserved for 1912 Secondary Fire Control
25t Long Range Markoni Installation
25t 1905 Sehendes Auge
24t 12 1913 2t 50cm Torpedoes, 3 Per Tube
25t 1912 Star Shells and Extra Searchlights
26t Weight Reserve

[The Rock Doctor]

Ha!  Love it.  If anybody should continue to mount a shit-load of anti-TB guns, it's the Brandenburgers.