Design for me...Part 2

[The Rock Doctor]

I'm considering splitting cruiser construction between generally traditional light cruisers - using single deck mounts, and intended primarily for scouting and TB-killing - and a small armored cruiser akin to Hapsburger panzerkreuzers, with turreted medium-cal guns and the missions of whacking cruisers and protecting trade.

Design specs would be:

-Six to eight 194mm guns, in single and/or twin turrets

-Secondary battery of 140mm or 100mm is optional; AA battery of 65mm and 37mm guns

-Minimum armor is 7.5cm belts, and 2.5 cm decks

-Top speed of at least 30 kts

-Operating range of at least 10,000 nm @ 10 kts

-Minimum 300 t of miscellaneous weight for FC, etc.

What can you do with this?

[maddox]

Simple. France has already 6 of that kind.

http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=1408.msg36371#msg36371

[The Rock Doctor]

Close, but France opted for deck mounts.  The Colombians reckon that turrets are necessary for these guns.

[maddox]

Then you'll end up with a lot larger ship.

[1Big Rich]

To Maddox's point, maybe you can put her on a diet:

GC-CA1918, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1918

Displacement:
   11,002 t light; 11,494 t standard; 12,241 t normal; 12,839 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   594.60 ft / 590.55 ft x 65.62 ft x 21.98 ft (normal load)
   181.23 m / 180.00 m x 20.00 m  x 6.70 m

Armament:
      6 - 7.64" / 194 mm guns (3x2 guns), 222.78lbs / 101.05kg shells, 1918 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward
      16 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83.72lbs / 37.97kg shells, 1918 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      4 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm guns in single mounts, 8.38lbs / 3.80kg shells, 1918 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1918 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 2,716 lbs / 1,232 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.54" / 90 mm   393.70 ft / 120.00 m   19.69 ft / 6.00 m
   Ends:   1.97" / 50 mm     65.62 ft / 20.00 m   19.69 ft / 6.00 m
     131.23 ft / 40.00 m Unarmoured ends
     Main Belt covers 103 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.64" / 194 mm   5.51" / 140 mm      7.64" / 194 mm
   2nd:   5.51" / 140 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.38" / 35 mm, Conning tower: 7.87" / 200 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 75,968 shp / 56,672 Kw = 30.10 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,345 tons

Complement:
   581 - 756

Cost:
   £2.108 million / $8.431 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 339 tons, 2.8 %
   Armour: 2,861 tons, 23.4 %
      - Belts: 1,243 tons, 10.2 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 868 tons, 7.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 660 tons, 5.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 90 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 2,741 tons, 22.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,760 tons, 38.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,240 tons, 10.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 2.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     16,144 lbs / 7,323 Kg = 72.5 x 7.6 " / 194 mm shells or 1.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.16
   Metacentric height 3.5 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 14.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.47
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.40

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.503
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24.30 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -6.56 ft / -2.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Forecastle (17 %):   22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (12 %):   22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Stern:      22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   22.97 ft / 7.00 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 97.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 194.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 25,889 Square feet or 2,405 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 111 lbs/sq ft or 543 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.78
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

300t FC+

[The Rock Doctor]

Hey Rich!

Yes, a diet may be necessary - she's got the armament of a heavy cruiser and two light cruisers there...

[maddox]

Then this is a bit over the top?

Adagio, Gran Colombian Heavy cruiser laid down 1918 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   13.499 t light; 14.080 t standard; 16.098 t normal; 17.712 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   662,79 ft / 656,17 ft x 72,18 ft x 22,97 ft (normal load)
   202,02 m / 200,00 m x 22,00 m  x 7,00 m

Armament:
     8 - 7,64" / 194 mm guns (4x2 guns), 222,78lbs / 101,05kg shells, 1918 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
     12 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns (6x2 guns), 92,59lbs / 42,00kg shells, 1918 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
     6 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,55lbs / 0,70kg shells, 1918 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 2.903 lbs / 1.317 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   4 - 21,0" / 533,4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
  - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   6,00" / 152 mm   426,51 ft / 130,00 m   12,00 ft / 3,66 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 100% of normal length

  - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   6,00" / 152 mm   4,00" / 102 mm      7,00" / 178 mm
   2nd:   2,00" / 51 mm   1,00" / 25 mm      3,00" / 76 mm

  - Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 97.751 shp / 72.922 Kw = 31,00 kts
   Range 8.000nm at 16,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3.632 tons

Complement:
   713 - 928

Cost:
   £2,552 million / $10,208 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 350 tons, 2,2%
   Armour: 3.211 tons, 19,9%
      - Belts: 1.290 tons, 8,0%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 733 tons, 4,6%
      - Armour Deck: 1.187 tons, 7,4%
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0,0%
   Machinery: 3.642 tons, 22,6%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5.897 tons, 36,6%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2.599 tons, 16,1%
   Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 2,5%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     20.191 lbs / 9.158 Kg = 90,6 x 7,6 " / 194 mm shells or 2,1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,22
   Metacentric height 4,4 ft / 1,3 m
   Roll period: 14,4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 56 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,37
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,13

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,518
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,09 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 25,62 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 8,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      23,79 ft / 7,25 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Mid (50%):      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Stern:      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   20,01 ft / 6,10 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 93,5%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 158,9%
   Waterplane Area: 32.081 Square feet or 2.980 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 118%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 122 lbs/sq ft or 594 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,99
      - Longitudinal: 1,15
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

A tad more slender.  But armor is absolutely tin foil.

Adagio, Gran Colombian Heavy cruiser laid down 1918 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   11.162 t light; 11.691 t standard; 13.510 t normal; 14.966 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   662,79 ft / 656,17 ft x 65,62 ft x 21,33 ft (normal load)
   202,02 m / 200,00 m x 20,00 m  x 6,50 m

Armament:
      8 - 7,64" / 194 mm guns (4x2 guns), 222,78lbs / 101,05kg shells, 1918 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      12 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns (6x2 guns), 92,59lbs / 42,00kg shells, 1918 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      6 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,55lbs / 0,70kg shells, 1918 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 2.903 lbs / 1.317 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   4 - 21,0" / 533,4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3,00" / 76 mm   426,51 ft / 130,00 m   12,00 ft / 3,66 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 100% of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   6,00" / 152 mm   4,00" / 102 mm      7,00" / 178 mm
   2nd:   2,00" / 51 mm   1,00" / 25 mm      3,00" / 76 mm

   - Armour deck: 1,00" / 25 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 86.591 shp / 64.597 Kw = 31,00 kts
   Range 8.000nm at 16,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3.274 tons

Complement:
   626 - 814

Cost:
   £2,272 million / $9,087 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 350 tons, 2,6%
   Armour: 1.911 tons, 14,1%
      - Belts: 639 tons, 4,7%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 733 tons, 5,4%
      - Armour Deck: 538 tons, 4,0%
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0,0%
   Machinery: 3.226 tons, 23,9%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5.355 tons, 39,6%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2.348 tons, 17,4%
   Miscellaneous weights: 320 tons, 2,4%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     15.951 lbs / 7.235 Kg = 71,6 x 7,6 " / 194 mm shells or 1,7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,17
   Metacentric height 3,6 ft / 1,1 m
   Roll period: 14,6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 58 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,55
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,16

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,515
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 25,62 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 8,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      23,79 ft / 7,25 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Mid (50%):      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Stern:      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   20,01 ft / 6,10 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 100,5%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 163,1%
   Waterplane Area: 29.084 Square feet or 2.702 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 118%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 118 lbs/sq ft or 578 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,99
      - Longitudinal: 1,11
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

[Korpen]

If the belt is reduced to 75mm, its heigth can be increased to 5m.

Turret layout is normal C(superfiring)-D aft with B behind the bridge and A in front of it. 
If speed is reduced to 30kts she can be reduced to 9000 ton.

Design II, Gran colombia Boat laid down 1916

Displacement:
   10 000 t light; 10 482 t standard; 11 583 t normal; 12 464 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557,74 ft / 557,74 ft x 59,06 ft x 24,61 ft (normal load)
   170,00 m / 170,00 m x 18,00 m  x 7,50 m

Armament:
     8 - 7,64" / 194 mm guns (4x2 guns), 220,46lbs / 100,00kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 1 raised mount aft - superfiring
     10 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83,72lbs / 37,98kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, evenly spread
     2 - 2,56" / 65,0 mm guns in single mounts, 8,38lbs / 3,80kg shells, 1916 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     2 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,55lbs / 0,70kg shells, 1916 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 2 621 lbs / 1 189 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 162
   4 - 19,7" / 500 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
  - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3,74" / 95 mm   410,11 ft / 125,00 m   13,12 ft / 4,00 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 113 % of normal length

  - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5,91" / 150 mm   2,95" / 75 mm      4,72" / 120 mm
   3rd:   2,76" / 70 mm   1,57" / 40 mm      2,76" / 70 mm

  - Armour deck: 1,77" / 45 mm, Conning tower: 7,09" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 84 038 shp / 62 692 Kw = 31,00 kts
   Range 10 015nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 982 tons

Complement:
   557 - 725

Cost:
   £1,744 million / $6,974 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 330 tons, 2,8 %
   Armour: 2 143 tons, 18,5 %
      - Belts: 826 tons, 7,1 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
      - Armament: 520 tons, 4,5 %
      - Armour Deck: 719 tons, 6,2 %
      - Conning Tower: 78 tons, 0,7 %
   Machinery: 3 131 tons, 27,0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 095 tons, 35,4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 583 tons, 13,7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 2,6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     9 665 lbs / 4 384 Kg = 43,4 x 7,6 " / 194 mm shells or 1,3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
   Metacentric height 2,7 ft / 0,8 m
   Roll period: 15,0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,65
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0,500
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,44 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,62 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      28,71 ft / 8,75 m
      - Forecastle (18 %):   25,43 ft / 7,75 m
      - Mid (67 %):      18,86 ft / 5,75 m (10,66 ft / 3,25 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   10,66 ft / 3,25 m
      - Stern:      12,30 ft / 3,75 m
      - Average freeboard:   19,31 ft / 5,88 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 112,8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 132,6 %
   Waterplane Area: 21 950 Square feet or 2 039 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 110 lbs/sq ft or 538 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,95
      - Longitudinal: 1,57
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

[Sachmle]

El Presidente, Gran Columbia Armoured Cruiser laid down 1917 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   10,839 t light; 11,386 t standard; 12,175 t normal; 12,806 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557.73 ft / 551.18 ft x 68.90 ft x 19.69 ft (normal load)
   170.00 m / 168.00 m x 21.00 m  x 6.00 m

Armament:
      8 - 7.64" / 194 mm guns (4x2 guns), 220.46lbs / 100.00kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      10 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns in single mounts, 30.86lbs / 14.00kg shells, 1912 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
      2 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm guns in single mounts, 8.82lbs / 4.00kg shells, 1915 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, all amidships
      2 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1912 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1905 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 2,093 lbs / 949 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 250

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5.31" / 135 mm   364.17 ft / 111.00 m   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
   Ends:   1.97" / 50 mm   187.01 ft / 57.00 m   10.01 ft / 3.05 m
     Main Belt covers 102 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5.91" / 150 mm   1.97" / 50 mm      2.95" / 75 mm
   2nd:   2.95" / 75 mm   0.98" / 25 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 5.91" / 150 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 81,200 shp / 60,575 Kw = 30.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,421 tons

Complement:
   579 - 753

Cost:
   £1.862 million / $7.449 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 263 tons, 2.2 %
   Armour: 2,732 tons, 22.4 %
      - Belts: 1,486 tons, 12.2 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 392 tons, 3.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 787 tons, 6.5 %
      - Conning Tower: 67 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 3,025 tons, 24.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,518 tons, 37.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,336 tons, 11.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 2.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     14,708 lbs / 6,672 Kg = 66.0 x 7.6 " / 194 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 3.4 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 15.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.43
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.07

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.570
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.48 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12.50 degrees
   Stern overhang: -4.10 ft / -1.25 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      29.53 ft / 9.00 m
      - Forecastle (25 %):   24.61 ft / 7.50 m
      - Mid (65 %):      24.61 ft / 7.50 m (16.40 ft / 5.00 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Stern:      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   22.23 ft / 6.78 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 101.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 194.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 27,005 Square feet or 2,509 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 110 lbs/sq ft or 539 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.58
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

[The Rock Doctor]

I'm intrigued by all the heavy secondary batteries.  I have to admit, my own temptation is to leave it out altogether, as was essentially the case with early historical designs such as Frobisher or Furutaka.

[Guinness]

The CSA will not be officially participating in this competition, of course, but on a ship armed with 194mm guns, we too would think the secondary batteries to be superfluous. We might consider shipping something on the order of 4 smaller guns in the 88mm range for use in commerce raiding, when a 194mm gun is overkill, however.

[Valles]

GC-CP-1918, Gran Colombia Point Cruiser laid down 1916

Displacement:
   8,564 t light; 8,944 t standard; 10,389 t normal; 11,544 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   533.51 ft / 524.93 ft x 65.62 ft x 18.04 ft (normal load)
   162.61 m / 160.00 m x 20.00 m  x 5.50 m

Armament:
      6 - 7.64" / 194 mm guns (3x2 guns), 220.46lbs / 100.00kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      4 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns (2x2 guns), 33.07lbs / 15.00kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      4 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm guns in single mounts, 8.38lbs / 3.80kg shells, 1916 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread
      8 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1916 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 1,501 lbs / 681 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.94" / 100 mm   367.45 ft / 112.00 m   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
   Ends:   1.97" / 50 mm   157.45 ft / 47.99 m   9.71 ft / 2.96 m
     Main Belt covers 108 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3.94" / 100 mm   1.97" / 50 mm      1.97" / 50 mm
   2nd:   2.95" / 75 mm   1.97" / 50 mm      1.97" / 50 mm

   - Armour deck: 0.98" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 3.94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 2 shafts, 75,942 shp / 56,652 Kw = 30.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,600 tons

Complement:
   513 - 668

Cost:
   £1.397 million / $5.589 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 188 tons, 1.8 %
   Armour: 1,719 tons, 16.5 %
      - Belts: 1,111 tons, 10.7 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 116 tons, 1.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 452 tons, 4.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 40 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 2,829 tons, 27.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,527 tons, 34.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,825 tons, 17.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 2.9 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10,616 lbs / 4,815 Kg = 47.7 x 7.6 " / 194 mm shells or 1.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
   Metacentric height 3.4 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 15.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.28
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 0.87

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.585
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 61 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 82
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Forecastle (15 %):   19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Stern:      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   17.67 ft / 5.39 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 106.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 158.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 24,841 Square feet or 2,308 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 99 lbs/sq ft or 484 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.22
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather



Armament layout is A(b)-Q-(x)Y, with AA flanking the superstructures and boats in 'internal hangers'.

[Guinness]

Don't the Maori get motion sick if riding on anything doing more than 27 knots?  :D

[Valles]

Hey, a design spec is a design spec. He didn't ask if I thought it was worth it. ^_^

[Korpen]

A faster version, without any secondaries of any kind, but she s a bit faster.

Not a ship for the Maori. ;)

Gonzales (speedy), GC Kryssare laid down 1916

Displacement:
   11 740 t light; 12 166 t standard; 13 388 t normal; 14 366 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   623,36 ft / 623,36 ft x 62,34 ft x 24,93 ft (normal load)
   190,00 m / 190,00 m x 19,00 m  x 7,60 m

Armament:
      8 - 7,64" / 194 mm guns (4x2 guns), 222,78lbs / 101,05kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 1 raised mount - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 1 782 lbs / 808 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 160

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2,95" / 75 mm   521,65 ft / 159,00 m   13,12 ft / 4,00 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 129 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5,91" / 150 mm   2,17" / 55 mm      3,94" / 100 mm

   - Armour deck: 1,18" / 30 mm, Conning tower: 5,91" / 150 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 125 589 shp / 93 689 Kw = 34,00 kts
   Range 10 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 199 tons

Complement:
   622 - 809

Cost:
   £2,051 million / $8,202 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 223 tons, 1,7 %
   Armour: 1 836 tons, 13,7 %
      - Belts: 809 tons, 6,0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
      - Armament: 397 tons, 3,0 %
      - Armour Deck: 557 tons, 4,2 %
      - Conning Tower: 72 tons, 0,5 %
   Machinery: 4 679 tons, 35,0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 702 tons, 35,1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 648 tons, 12,3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 2,2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     9 129 lbs / 4 141 Kg = 41,0 x 7,6 " / 194 mm shells or 1,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,18
   Metacentric height 3,4 ft / 1,0 m
   Roll period: 14,3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,36
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,01

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,484
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24,97 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26,25 ft / 8,00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   24,61 ft / 7,50 m
      - Mid (50 %):      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Stern:      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   20,72 ft / 6,32 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 128,6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 155,8 %
   Waterplane Area: 25 511 Square feet or 2 370 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 109 lbs/sq ft or 533 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,96
      - Longitudinal: 1,41
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent