Romanian Jet

[TexanCowboy]

I'm gonna begin working on the Conada 1910, the OLT version of a world-war I jet. If this breaks any rules please tell me.

[Guinness]

One mod's opinion here: the C-10 seems to be well within the rules for the level of Aircraft tech you have. So you can acquire it.

To clarify: we develop the tech level, then simply acquire aircraft for that tech. The details of individual aircraft designs are matters for role playing. So for that aircraft tech, 100 examples of a given aircraft will cost you $0.10 to procure.

[TexanCowboy]

thats good, is that part of the military budget or the civilian. I'm getting the message that the Conada-1910 is okay. It should go about 150 MPH. or higher

[Guinness]

Military budget.

[TexanCowboy]

dang, no cash in there, i need to start a war. (Looks at desertfox)

[Walter]

(its's 'Coanda')

I think I read somewhere that it was called an air-reactive engine. I used it for a pair of news articles over at Wesworld where the first flight of the Coanda-1910 replica ended in a blaze of glory. :D

I found it very interesting as you are looking at a jet-like engine that appeared on a plane just 7 years after the first powered flight by the Wright Brothers. :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coanda-1910

dang, no cash in there, i need to start a war. (Looks at desertfox)

What? No cash? Japan is willing to help out. :)

[TexanCowboy]

its true the link to wikipedia where it was post is right here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coanda-1910 . Your right, it isn't a true jet, but it should go faster then anyaircraft of the time. I'm willing to trade a few of these for a light cruiser. Yes, it went up on fire, but Coanda lived. In this timeline, he modifies the plane so the jet are on the tail, and then balences the front with a machine gun and a 1'' cannon semi-automatic.
And their is my plane, the Coanda-1914

[The Rock Doctor]

You may want to do some additional research to see if this idea is possible, since we don't have a lot of historical precedent to draw on.  For example, the 25mm cannon may be too heavy (and with too much recoil) for the airframe.

As a side-note, from the Mod's perspective, any aircraft of a given tech level has the same capabilities - this is because we don't have an easy-to-use aircraft building system, and because we don't want to have a world full of the same plane at any given time.  So while a Coanda might be interesting and present new flavor to the aeronautical industry of Navalism, in practical terms it'll be no better or worse than other, more conventional planes of the same vintage.

I'm not trying to be a buzzkill, but thought I'd mention that sooner rather than later...

[The Rock Doctor]

If you mean the ship competition, I may play around with a sim tonight. 

[Walter]

Yes, it went up on fire, but Coanda lived.

Yes, I did something a little bit along that line as well.

http://wesworld.jk-clan.de/thread.php?postid=35900#post35900 (June 24, 1931; pictures might push the post down a bit)

You'd think that with aviation having advanced significantly in 20 years since the Coanda-1910 flew (as it was a 1931 newspiece), the designers should have known that it would have been a lot safer if they were to use something less flamable to mount the air-reactive engine on. :)

... of course the choice of test pilot was also rather questionable and may have had something to do with the demise of the replica Coanda-1910. :) Looking at it now, it surprises me that with the parachute ("Parashuuto"), he only ended up upside down in a small pond just outside the Mugen test terrain and not in one of the usual disastrous locations. ;D

You may want to do some additional research to see if this idea is possible, since we don't have a lot of historical precedent to draw on.  For example, the 25mm cannon may be too heavy (and with too much recoil) for the airframe.

It might be just me, but when I look at the picture of the Coanda-1910, it looks rather flimsy to be able to withstand the recoil and weight of a 1" weapon.

[TexanCowboy]

good point about the 1''. I'm keeping the jet and mounting it on the very edge of the tail to keep the gases off of the plane. I  guess i'll just mount a machine gun in front.

[ctwaterman]

So what you want to do is design a pusher aircraft with the engine behind the Pilot to keep the center of balance on the plane somewhere controllable.  The Engine being the single heaviest object on the aircraft followed by the fuel and then the pilot.   You put a tail boom on either side of it to support the necessary tail flight control surfaces and mount a pair of forward firing MG that dont need an interruption system as their is no propeller in the way.

http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=441

Something like the above aircraft.

As a note the Coanda-1910 was a 920 Lb aircraft with an engine generating 450 lbs of thrust, add in even a single machine gun and ammo 150 Lbs and a Pilot another 150 Lbs and I believe what you have is a unique method of building an average aircraft.  Basically you using a 50HP conventional engine to drive a very fuel inefficent design but with the  speed of an aircraft mounting a more conventional  and larger 110 to 150 HP engine.

[maddox]

130 Hp engines, like the later rotary Rhone Gnome engines?

[TexanCowboy]

I guess, the link was broken. I was think more like 1914 bus engines(about 120 hp) compacted.

[ctwaterman]

The Problem with your improved Jet is that you need the next generation of Aircraft to build your Conada 1914.   And it will still have to be designed as a twin boom pusher aircraft.

In effect your Technology does not yet support Heavier Then Air Aircraft 1910: Historical 1914 Aircraft.  You can build the Conada 1910 as that is within your technology.

Basically its not all about the engine its also about the airframe and wing lifting bodies. 

That being said have fun with it write stories about test flights and I'll be sure to Invite you to the upcomming anounced Air Races.