Bavarian Naval Artillery

Started by Kaiser Kirk, December 21, 2008, 06:08:42 PM

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Kaiser Kirk

The Past (Maddox/Borys): Bavarian naval weapons were non existent. French and Austrian sources of knowledge have allowed knowledge of gun foundry and techniques for up to Austrian and French 13"/40 are known, however facilities for guns larger than field pieces were not present.  

1918 13.2mmx92 Mauser TUF AAMG18

1916 20mmx145 Becker AAMG M2

1902 37mm/30 Maxim AA MG http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNRussian_37mm-30_maxim.htm

1884 47/5 L25 Hotchkiss Anti-torpedo boat revolving cannon
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNRussian_47mm_Hotchkiss.htm

1906 8.8cm/45  QF Anti-torpedo boat

1906 10.5cm/45 QF

1918 12cm/51 QF

1916 15cm/50 BL

1916 18cm/50 BL
note : considered 7" (178mm) class, no direct parallel  

210mm Coast defense rifles are ex-Austrian in orgin.

1914 10"/50  BL
developed for RR artillery, featuring a large heavy shell to allow use as siege artillery

The Future :
Bavaria intends on developing weapons in 15mm increments from 15mm-90mm, then in 30mm increments from 90mm to 210mm, and then 45mm increments from 210mm to 480mm. Obviously better techniques will be needed for the larger pieces.

Current technology gives a prospective line up of :
15/30mm MG, 45/60mm RF cannon,  75/90/120mm QF, 150/180/210 BL. This was to be followed by a 255/300/345 series, but with the 10" RR gun in place, the next weapon to offer the desired attributes while maintaining chamber pressures within safety margins for Bavarian gun-casting techniques was a 330mm similar in raw dimensions to its Franco-Austrian antecedents, but firing a heavy shell.
Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

Kaiser Kirk

#1
Second round, using 0.7 shellforms and caps.

The following figures are from the "Big Gun" program. They are not accurate. They are likely reasonable for Bavaria's new design 1912 APC shells (the 1908 tech).

The largest unknown variable is the appropriate shell form factor to use. Big Gun gives a range of 0.6-0.8, and has a further adjustment for Capped vs. Uncapped.
Presumably the Navalism 1916 tech is 0.8 capped, the 1912 tech is 0.7 Capped, and the 1905 is the 0.7 uncapped.

Big Gun addresses armors as "face hardened" or later WWII. The difference likely alludes to earlier armors having non-optimal face thicknesses and alloys.  Face hardened has different penetrations for capped vs. uncapped, while the WWII armors would have a thicker homogeneous backing and all shells impacting would be capped.

Realistically, cruiser and deck armors often were not face hardened, and later armor development found homogeneous armors superior up to roughly 8 inches.

For these tables,  all armors are assumed face hardened, capped shell. Deck values are likely overstated somewhat.

Gun MV and range is either default for the oldest pieces, or based on Kg/Mv permutations which give the Tech-level appropriate ME.

8.8cm/45 QF M1906
3.1mj  9.43kg shell 816mps
Max range : 10,900m @ 35 deg

Range (m)Belt (cm)Deck  (cm)
5000 6.140.60
7500 3.331.07

9.0cm/51 QF AA M1920
3.95mj  10.0kg shell 888.3 mps
Max range : 11,600m @ 45 deg

Range (m)Belt (cm)Deck  (cm)
5000 7.1    0.6
7500 4.0 1.0
10000 2.1 1.9
11600 0.80 3.6

10.5cm/45 QF  M1906
17.9mj  17.4kg shell 783 mps
Max range : 12,900m @ 35 deg

Range (m)Belt (cm)Deck  (cm)
5000 9.67 0.72
7500 6.07 1.31
10000 3.81 2.05

12cm/51 QF  M1918
9.352mj  27.5kg shell 824.7 mps
Max range : 15,600m @ 45 deg

Range (m)Belt (cm)Deck  (cm)
5000 14.4 0.77
7500 9.87 1.41
10000 6.80 2.03
12500 4.65 3.11
15000 2.88 4.97

15cm/50 BL  M1915
17.9mj  45.5kg shell 887 mps
Max range : 15,200m @ 35 deg

Range (m)Belt (cm)Deck  (cm)
5000 18.6 0.78
7500 13.1 1.43
10000 8.94 2.20
12500 6.45 2.98
15000 4.36 4.67

18cm/50 BL   M1916
Note, this falls in the "7in"- class
30.9mj  85kg shell 853mps
Max range : 19,900m @ 35 deg

Range (m)Belt (cm)Deck  (cm)
5000 26.70.94
7500 20.1  1.74
10000 15.2 2.64
12500 11.7 3.45
15000 8.89 4.73
17500 6.73 6.67

21cm/40 Austrian BL  M1906
36.5mj  120kg shell 780mps
Max range : 19,200m @ 45 deg

Range (m)Belt (cm)Deck  (cm)
5000 26.31.11
7500 19.72.07
10000 15.13.05
12500 11.63.89
15000 8.915.61
17500 6.618.00

25.4cm/50  BL  M1915
88.683mj  275kg shell 803mps
25,000m range @ 33 deg.
Max range : 26,600m @ 45.4 deg

Range (m)Belt (cm)Deck  (cm)
5000 47.61.4
7500 41.12.4
10000 33.53.9
12500 28.75.1
15000 24.16.4
17500 20.57.6
20000 17.49.9
22500 14.812.7
25000 12.316.2


33.0cm/42  BL  M1920
152mj  600kg shell 712mps
25,100m range @ 35 deg.
Max range : 26,300m @ 45.0 deg

Range (m)Belt (cm)Deck  (cm)
5000 56.32.2
7500 49.43.7
10000 43.15.5
12500 33.28.9
15000 32.59.0
17500 28.910.4
20000 25.313.4
22500 21.917.0
25000 18.521.8
Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest