Russian Ships of the Line

[Blooded]

Greetings!

The First Russian Drednought has been spotted!

Here is a view of the Ne Tron' Menya Class(after some future update-ie Fire Control and refitting).

Its not really quite done but it shall have to do for now.



Ne Tron' Menya, Imperial Russian Empire Drednought laid down 1902 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   20,398 t light; 21,851 t standard; 23,662 t normal; 25,112 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557.00 ft / 557.00 ft x 92.90 ft x 29.10 ft (normal load)
   169.77 m / 169.77 m x 28.32 m  x 8.87 m

Armament:
      12 - 12.01" / 305 mm guns (4x3 guns), 1,038.00lbs / 470.83kg shells, 1902 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      8 - 5.98" / 152 mm guns (4x2 guns), 91.27lbs / 41.40kg shells, 1902 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, evenly spread
      12 - 5.98" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 91.27lbs / 41.40kg shells, 1902 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     12 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 10.80lbs / 4.90kg shells, 1902 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 14,368 lbs / 6,517 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120
   4 - 0.7" / 17.7 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   400.00 ft / 121.92 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   6.00" / 152 mm   157.00 ft / 47.85 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   400.00 ft / 121.92 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
     Main Belt covers 110 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.50" / 38 mm   400.00 ft / 121.92 m   47.10 ft / 14.36 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      3.00" / 76 mm
   3rd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -         1.00" / 25 mm

   - Armour deck: 2.50" / 64 mm, Conning tower: 12.00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 30,289 shp / 22,596 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 5,927nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,261 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   953 - 1,240

Cost:
   £2.250 million / $9.002 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,579 tons, 6.7 %
   Armour: 7,942 tons, 33.6 %
      - Belts: 3,092 tons, 13.1 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 1,046 tons, 4.4 %
      - Armament: 1,921 tons, 8.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,670 tons, 7.1 %
      - Conning Tower: 213 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 1,499 tons, 6.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 8,928 tons, 37.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,265 tons, 13.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 449 tons, 1.9 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     30,233 lbs / 13,713 Kg = 34.9 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 5.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
   Metacentric height 5.8 ft / 1.8 m
   Roll period: 16.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.70
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.47

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.550
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.60 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -6.00 ft / -1.83 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Forecastle (15 %):   18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Mid (50 %):      18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Quarterdeck (13 %):   18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Stern:      18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.00 ft / 5.49 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 94.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 129.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 36,113 Square feet or 3,355 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 178 lbs/sq ft or 870 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.74
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Had to modify SS File a bit to get the pic to work.

[P3D]

Turreted 6" secondaries not allowed.

[The Rock Doctor]

There's a minor error in your torpedo armament.

The pic is nice.  It illustrates a significant problem with the "all centreline, non-superfiring" arrangement - the amount of deck space that is rendered unsuitable for ship's boats and secondary weapons.  Those boat decks are a potential liability for the turrets below them, but I don't know what else you could do with the boats.

[Blooded]

LOL, you dont like my Top Secret 3/4" Torpedos... you'll never see them coming!


As too the 6" Turrets, I was aware of that but many Of olekits designs had them so I assumed they were Grandfathered (predreds though the Menya Class). All post 1905 ships do not have them. Can change if needed.

I agree as too the space issues, but the ships boats had to go somewhere. Fun look, though not good for combat.

[Guinness]

So why would 6" guns in turrets on barbettes be illegal in this case? At least my understanding of the rules was if you wanted to pay the weight penalty for a barbette mounting for your secondaries, that's your problem, right? Assuming you had developed the required guns and mounts at least.

Now mounts with hoists would require the applicable "cruiser" tech development.

Or maybe I should rephrase all that to say I'd like to see that be the rule.

[P3D]

The ship was laid down in 1902, and I doubt that Olekit had the required tech back in N2 either. And if it goes by grandfathering, then 1909 engines are too modern.

[Jefgte]

Superb drawing Blooded & a very nice concept
Congrat to globaly respect the Russian style & add personnal ideas.

I prefer too no superfiring turrets to economise much weight.


Jef  ;)

[Blooded]

Hello,

P3D  -  Yes, the engine thing still has me messed up. When resimming I could not figure out engine years for many designs( many times it seemed they needed 1909 engines to work). I went with 1902-1911 use 1909 Engines, and 1895-1900 use 1905 Engines(nothing for 1901). Olekit seems to have had 1909 engines before 1906. You had mentioned using 1907 in another thread. Could you suggest a good range of years with appropriate Engine Year/Techs.

I'll change anything needed to get the ships inline with the sim. I would like defined rules rather than suggestions I take as rules. Korpen pointed out many things that I believed were rules, that apparently were not(12:1 length max and some others which escape me atm  ???  ).

I used a pic I had saved of Olekits Battlewagons as start, then used some Brit pieces I already had done, added some touches from Shipbucket files, and pics from Russian Dreds. Whalah, an ugly mama! Had to shoehorn the stuff in though. I really should go with 1 pixel to 1' instead of 1 pixel to 6". Since it does not seem to show full size(at least on my screen). Adding a top view is far more difficult as I don't have nearly as many references- (esp. for Russian stuff).

I must say I prefer superfiring, sometime soon I shall adopt that(Imp. Maria has superfiring to the rear). But it does seem too modern at this stage(The UNK had superfire early(1905?) and I did not care for it at the time).

Thanks for any assistance.

[P3D]

By the old rules 4-5 years were added for the turbines early, which was supposed to decrease later. I'd use 1907 or 1906 engine year for the grandfathered ships.