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[Tanthalas]

im going to try and keep all my ships in one thread (im not so good at that usualy)

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1912

Displacement:
   5,000 t light; 5,338 t standard; 6,354 t normal; 7,167 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   470.00 ft / 470.00 ft x 60.00 ft x 19.00 ft (normal load)
   143.26 m / 143.26 m x 18.29 m  x 5.79 m

Armament:
      8 - 8.00" / 203 mm guns (4x2 guns), 256.00lbs / 116.12kg shells, 1912 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      12 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns (6x2 guns), 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1912 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 2,432 lbs / 1,103 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 2 shafts, 40,483 shp / 30,200 Kw = 28.00 kts
   Range 7,000nm at 15.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,829 tons

Complement:
   355 - 462

Cost:
   £0.656 million / $2.625 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 304 tons, 4.8 %
   Armour: 80 tons, 1.3 %
      - Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 80 tons, 1.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 1,614 tons, 25.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,952 tons, 46.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,354 tons, 21.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 0.8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5,527 lbs / 2,507 Kg = 21.6 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 1.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.19
   Metacentric height 3.2 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 14.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.70
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.415
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.83 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.68 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 63
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Mid (50 %):      21.00 ft / 6.40 m (13.00 ft / 3.96 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Stern:      13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Average freeboard:   17.24 ft / 5.25 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 120.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 156.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 17,522 Square feet or 1,628 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 109 lbs/sq ft or 533 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.98
      - Longitudinal: 2.01
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

thats the first one opinions (im thinking CL hunter/destroyer leader, im also considering 6" guns instead of the 8" ones

[Borys]

8" guns need turret and barbette ...
Borys

[Jefgte]

Yes in 1912, that's better.
But you could instal them in casemate too.



Jef  ;)

[Desertfox]

No armor? The Swiss were crazy, but not THAT crazy! ;D Twin 4" mounts are probably a bad idea, stick to singles for now.


You might find the following designs interesting...

Improved Aurora class, New Switzerland Cruiser laid down 1912

Displacement:
   6,702 t light; 7,067 t standard; 8,937 t normal; 10,432 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   550.00 ft / 550.00 ft x 55.00 ft x 22.00 ft (normal load)
   167.64 m / 167.64 m x 16.76 m  x 6.71 m

Armament:
      10 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (5x2 guns), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1912 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, majority aft, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1912 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
   Weight of broadside 1,208 lbs / 548 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 270
   6 - 19.7" / 500.38 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   4.00" / 102 mm   350.00 ft / 106.68 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 98 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.00" / 25 mm   0.50" / 13 mm      0.50" / 13 mm

   - Armour deck: 1.00" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 4.00" / 102 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 61,743 shp / 46,060 Kw = 30.00 kts
   Range 10,500nm at 15.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,365 tons

Complement:
   459 - 597

Cost:
   £0.706 million / $2.824 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 151 tons, 1.7 %
   Armour: 954 tons, 10.7 %
      - Belts: 525 tons, 5.9 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 29 tons, 0.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 363 tons, 4.1 %
      - Conning Tower: 37 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 2,462 tons, 27.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,025 tons, 33.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,234 tons, 25.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 110 tons, 1.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     9,699 lbs / 4,399 Kg = 89.8 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.31
   Metacentric height 3.3 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 12.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.36
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.26

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.470
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.45 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      27.00 ft / 8.23 m
      - Forecastle (25 %):   19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Mid (50 %):      19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Stern:      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.18 ft / 5.54 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 105.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 125.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 19,624 Square feet or 1,823 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 124 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 91 lbs/sq ft or 445 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.47
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily




***


Olympia class, New Switzerland Cruiser laid down 1912

Displacement:
   6,510 t light; 6,875 t standard; 8,815 t normal; 10,367 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   550.00 ft / 550.00 ft x 55.00 ft x 21.70 ft (normal load)
   167.64 m / 167.64 m x 16.76 m  x 6.61 m

Armament:
      6 - 8.00" / 203 mm guns (3x2 guns), 256.00lbs / 116.12kg shells, 1912 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      4 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1912 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
   Weight of broadside 1,664 lbs / 755 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200
   6 - 19.7" / 500.38 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5.00" / 127 mm   320.00 ft / 97.54 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 90 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5.00" / 127 mm   1.50" / 38 mm      1.50" / 38 mm

   - Armour deck: 1.50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 5.00" / 127 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 40,448 shp / 30,175 Kw = 27.00 kts
   Range 11,000nm at 15.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,492 tons

Complement:
   454 - 591

Cost:
   £0.628 million / $2.513 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 208 tons, 2.4 %
   Armour: 1,354 tons, 15.4 %
      - Belts: 609 tons, 6.9 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 155 tons, 1.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 545 tons, 6.2 %
      - Conning Tower: 46 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 1,613 tons, 18.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,195 tons, 36.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,305 tons, 26.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 140 tons, 1.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     12,463 lbs / 5,653 Kg = 48.7 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 1.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.25
   Metacentric height 3.1 ft / 0.9 m
   Roll period: 13.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.49
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.50

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.470
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.45 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      27.00 ft / 8.23 m
      - Forecastle (37 %):   17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Mid (50 %):      17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Stern:      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:   17.83 ft / 5.43 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 80.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 117.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 19,624 Square feet or 1,823 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 138 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 97 lbs/sq ft or 474 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.48
      - Overall: 1.01
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Tanthalas]

USNS Perth, USNS Light Cruiser laid down 1912

Displacement:
   4,000 t light; 4,171 t standard; 4,934 t normal; 5,545 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   500.00 ft / 500.00 ft x 45.45 ft x 18.00 ft (normal load)
   152.40 m / 152.40 m x 13.85 m  x 5.49 m

Armament:
      8 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (4x2 guns), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1912 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      6 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1912 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 864 lbs / 392 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   6 - 19.7" / 500.38 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 42,995 shp / 32,074 Kw = 30.00 kts
   Range 6,000nm at 15.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,374 tons

Complement:
   293 - 382

Cost:
   £0.471 million / $1.883 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 108 tons, 2.2 %
   Armour: 34 tons, 0.7 %
      - Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 34 tons, 0.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 1,714 tons, 34.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,023 tons, 41.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 934 tons, 18.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 120 tons, 2.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3,469 lbs / 1,574 Kg = 32.1 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 0.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.19
   Metacentric height 2.1 ft / 0.6 m
   Roll period: 13.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.60
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.24

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.422
   Length to Beam Ratio: 11.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.36 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 61
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Mid (50 %):      20.00 ft / 6.10 m (11.00 ft / 3.35 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   11.00 ft / 3.35 m
      - Stern:      11.00 ft / 3.35 m
      - Average freeboard:   15.74 ft / 4.80 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 132.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 117.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 14,189 Square feet or 1,318 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 82 lbs/sq ft or 399 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.50
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

25 Tons Wireless
25 Tons FC
12 Tons Torps
  4 Tons Night Fighting
12 Tons Deapth Charges
  2 Tons Hydrophones
10 Tons Limited Flag Facilities
16 Tons Crew Comfort
20 tons reserved for future growth

[P3D]

No armor?

[maddox]

Tin Clad, in the extreme.  More like a lady in a negligé .

[Tanthalas]

I wasnt planing to armor it (its suposed to be a CL after all) its realy just intended to act as a destroyer leader, and armor (or bigger guns) might tempt its comander to take on Heavier ships than it is intended to play with.

[Tanthalas]

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1912

Displacement:
   15,000 t light; 16,104 t standard; 18,044 t normal; 19,596 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   600.40 ft / 600.40 ft x 76.00 ft x 24.00 ft (normal load)
   183.00 m / 183.00 m x 23.16 m  x 7.32 m

Armament:
      6 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (2x3 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1912 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (4x2 guns), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1912 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships
   Weight of broadside 6,048 lbs / 2,743 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   347.00 ft / 105.77 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   253.00 ft / 77.11 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   347.00 ft / 105.77 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
     Main Belt covers 89 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 1.24" / 31 mm, Conning tower: 6.00" / 152 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 75,524 shp / 56,341 Kw = 28.00 kts
   Range 7,000nm at 15.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,492 tons

Complement:
   777 - 1,011

Cost:
   £1.590 million / $6.358 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 756 tons, 4.2 %
   Armour: 4,157 tons, 23.0 %
      - Belts: 2,486 tons, 13.8 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 833 tons, 4.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 749 tons, 4.2 %
      - Conning Tower: 89 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 3,011 tons, 16.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,992 tons, 38.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,817 tons, 15.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 310 tons, 1.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     22,525 lbs / 10,217 Kg = 26.1 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.09
   Metacentric height 3.9 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 16.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.77
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.14

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low quarterdeck
   Block coefficient: 0.577
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.90 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24.50 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 61
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   22.00 ft / 6.71 m
      - Mid (50 %):      22.00 ft / 6.71 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   14.00 ft / 4.27 m (22.00 ft / 6.71 m before break)
      - Stern:      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:   21.04 ft / 6.41 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 88.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 176.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 32,652 Square feet or 3,033 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 144 lbs/sq ft or 703 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.52
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

[Borys]

An older AC and CL killer.
I wonder how it would fare against a 8/10x9-10" ship?

Borys

[Jefgte]

Good pocket BC Tanthalas
-------------------
Interresting battle Borys.


Jef  ;)

[Borys]

Yes, Jef.
This NS design is an enlarged, better armoured Graf Spee. Well armoured against 6" fire.
My design for 11,000 cruiser with 4x2x9" guns is armoured on a similar scale. And I think that it will fire better, with more guns and higher ROF.
Yes, interesting indeed ...
Borys

[Tanthalas]

Yes, Jef.
This NS design is an enlarged, better armoured Graf Spee. Well armoured against 6" fire.
My design for 11,000 cruiser with 4x2x9" guns is armoured on a similar scale. And I think that it will fire better, with more guns and higher ROF.
Yes, interesting indeed ...
Borys

Would depend on speed borys.  Mine has better range and FC so if it also has superior speed then it would control the encounter, and your ship would never get to fire a shot.

[Korpen]

Yes, Jef.
This NS design is an enlarged, better armoured Graf Spee. Well armoured against 6" fire.
My design for 11,000 cruiser with 4x2x9" guns is armoured on a similar scale. And I think that it will fire better, with more guns and higher ROF.
Yes, interesting indeed ...
Borys

Would depend on speed borys.  Mine has better range and FC so if it also has superior speed then it would control the encounter, and your ship would never get to fire a shot.

The Austrians got FC as well, and have more experience with them then the NS have...
Both ships would have guns big enogh to reach out to any distance were a hit on moving target is possible.

[Tanthalas]

Yes, Jef.
This NS design is an enlarged, better armoured Graf Spee. Well armoured against 6" fire.
My design for 11,000 cruiser with 4x2x9" guns is armoured on a similar scale. And I think that it will fire better, with more guns and higher ROF.
Yes, interesting indeed ...
Borys

Would depend on speed borys.  Mine has better range and FC so if it also has superior speed then it would control the encounter, and your ship would never get to fire a shot.

The Austrians got FC as well, and have more experience with them then the NS have...
Both ships would have guns big enogh to reach out to any distance were a hit on moving target is possible.

would they see I didnt know that, that makes me rethink the ship compleatly then.  I was thinking 12" would let me outrange 10" ships, oh well i g2g for a bit ill play around with it more later.