Study 5 !...Couldn't resist

Started by Jefgte, April 05, 2008, 08:16:09 AM

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Jefgte

Couldn't resist to test a short Dreadnought for Peru with the Study 5 disposition for the 4 side turrets:
side alterned superfiring.


Study5, Peru BB laid down 1909 (Engine 1910)

Displacement:
   13 600 t light; 14 483 t standard; 14 874 t normal; 15 187 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   553.48 ft / 553.48 ft x 79.07 ft x 21.83 ft (normal load)
   168.70 m / 168.70 m x 24.10 m  x 6.65 m

Armament:
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (2x2 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread
      8 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side alterned superfiring
      6 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns in single mounts, 52.72lbs / 23.91kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     4 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in all but light seas
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      4 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 10 793 lbs / 4 895 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 92
   4 - 17.7" / 450 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.6" / 270 mm   298.56 ft / 91.00 m   9.19 ft / 2.80 m
   Ends:   1.57" / 40 mm     98.43 ft / 30.00 m   9.19 ft / 2.80 m
     156.50 ft / 47.70 m Unarmoured ends
     Main Belt covers 83 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.06" / 230 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      7.99" / 203 mm
   2nd:   9.06" / 230 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      7.99" / 203 mm

   - Armour deck: 2.76" / 70 mm, Conning tower: 7.99" / 203 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 13 219 shp / 9 862 Kw = 18.10 kts
   Range 3 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 703 tons

Complement:
   673 - 875

Cost:
   £1.686 million / $6.743 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 349 tons, 9.1 %
   Armour: 4 523 tons, 30.4 %
      - Belts: 1 365 tons, 9.2 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 1 505 tons, 10.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 1 550 tons, 10.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 104 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 546 tons, 3.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 7 156 tons, 48.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 275 tons, 8.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 25 tons, 0.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     17 769 lbs / 8 060 Kg = 20.6 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.05
   Metacentric height 3.9 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 16.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.96
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.26

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.545
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.53 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 34 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      24.93 ft / 7.60 m
      - Forecastle (18 %):   19.82 ft / 6.04 m
      - Mid (50 %):      19.82 ft / 6.04 m (11.81 ft / 3.60 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (18 %):   11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Stern:      11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Average freeboard:   16.18 ft / 4.93 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 82.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 136.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 30 399 Square feet or 2 824 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 91 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 173 lbs/sq ft or 844 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.46
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily



Jef  ;)
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Borys

Ahoj!
I think it would be a good idea to link to a picture of your signature "side alterned superfiring". It is difficult to explain, and I finally understood the scheme when you put up one of your scratchbuilds.

BTW - isn't en echelon simpler?
Borys
NEDS - Not Enough Deck Space for all those guns and torpedos;
Bambi must DIE!

Jefgte

#2
On others Warships Forums, Study 5 topic is over... too old.

Just 2 pics for the disposition of the side turrets

From the stern


A turret, the tower & the side alterned superfiring 8" turrets




Jef  ;)
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Ithekro

Isn't that a little light on the tonnage verse what is more or less a lengthened Settsu.

Borys

Ahoj!
It practically has no belt ...
Borys
NEDS - Not Enough Deck Space for all those guns and torpedos;
Bambi must DIE!

Sachmle

While it seems that the aft mounts would have no trouble firing both to port, the fore port mount doesn't appear to have enough clearance to swing to starboard.
"All treaties between great states cease to be binding when they come in conflict with the struggle for existence."
Otto von Bismarck

"Give me a woman who loves beer and I will conquer the world."
Kaiser Wilhelm

"If stupidity were painfull I would be deaf from all the screaming." Sam A. Grim

Jefgte

Sachmle wrote:
"...the fore port mount doesn't appear to have enough clearance to swing to starboard...."


60° to the opposite side



Jef  ;)
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Sachmle

Very good. I've taken a fourth look and now see the shortness of the barrels allow it to swing to starboard w/o hitting the superstructure. Nice work Jef.
"All treaties between great states cease to be binding when they come in conflict with the struggle for existence."
Otto von Bismarck

"Give me a woman who loves beer and I will conquer the world."
Kaiser Wilhelm

"If stupidity were painfull I would be deaf from all the screaming." Sam A. Grim

P3D

#8
The 3000@10 range is abysmal IMHO. A mere 12 day range. Especially for oil firing. I'd call it a 'harbor defense battleship'.

Without upper belt and casemate armor, the ship could be defeated by cruisers/destroyers firing 4-6" guns at all the unarmed freeboard.
The first purpose of a warship is to remain afloat. Anon.
Below 40 degrees, there is no law. Below 50 degrees, there is no God. sailor's maxim on weather in the Southern seas

Borys

Ahoj!
Peruvian dreadnaughts ARE 'harbor defense battleships'.
:)
As to the second part - IF the enemy cruisers/destroyers get close enough.
But true - smaller navies cannot rely on numbers, but quality, so maybe a 4" Upper Belt?
As this ship is Espana sized, at 4x2x12" it would make a nice little package.

Borys
NEDS - Not Enough Deck Space for all those guns and torpedos;
Bambi must DIE!

Jefgte

Borys wrote:
"...Peruvian dreadnaughts ARE 'harbor defense battleships'..."


hmmm... Oceanic operations with other allied countries are possible.


Jef  ;)
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Ithekro

"Possible", but not recommended.

Sachmle

Quote from: Ithekro on April 06, 2008, 01:53:15 PM
"Possible", but not recommended.
I believe that is Ithekro's way of saying "Play in your own sandbox."  ;D
"All treaties between great states cease to be binding when they come in conflict with the struggle for existence."
Otto von Bismarck

"Give me a woman who loves beer and I will conquer the world."
Kaiser Wilhelm

"If stupidity were painfull I would be deaf from all the screaming." Sam A. Grim

Ithekro

Actaully I was agreeing with Borys and P3D on the range and armor issues of this being an ocean going combat battleship.  But keeping away from hostile operating areas is fine too.  You only have a 1,500 nm operating radius at best, and more likely only 1,000 plus time on station.

Borys

Ahoj!
Example - it is about 2600 nm from Callao (your main port) to Punta Arenas, the nearest Austrian bse in the Magalhaes Strait.

Borys
NEDS - Not Enough Deck Space for all those guns and torpedos;
Bambi must DIE!