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[Sachmle]

El congreso nacional de los Naciones Unidas de Suramérica ha acordado permitir Livan Rodriquez y Perez, ministro de la defensa, intentar las ofertas del diseño y de la construcción para un crucero nuevo con la construcción para comenzar no más adelante el 1HY/1910. Los requisitos del crucero dicho serán dados a cualquier nación en la situación el bueno que investiga.

The National Congress of the United Nations of South America has agreed to allow Livan Rodriquez y Perez, Minister of Defense, to seek design and construction offers for a new cruiser with construction to begin no later the 1HY/1910.  The requirements of said cruiser will be given to any nation in good standing who inquires.

[Carthaginian]

The CSA is willing to aid in the design of said cruiser.

[P3D]

Orange ditto. Building a Ship in Orange is also possible.

[Desertfox]

Los Suizos estan listo para ayudar. ;)

[Tanthalas]

Italia would be capable of providing plans and technical advice however our own ship yards are quite busy at this moment.

[Borys]

Los Habsburgos pueden desenar. Por uma cancion.

[The Rock Doctor]

Gran Colombia would appreciate design requirements so that a more informed response can be provided.

[maddox]

Cruiser is a large group of ships.

Purpose, size, cost armament, armr, speed, range, cruising speed?

France has several possibilities.

[Sachmle]

I see I need to explain my espanol. I cheat and use a translator, unfortunately it's not completely accurate all the time.  I give the following examples:

DF said

Los Suizos estan listo para ayudar. ;)

My translator responds with "The Swiss estan ready to help."

Los Habsburgos pueden desenar. Por uma cancion.

="The Habsburgos can desenar. By uma song." I'm pretty sure Borys isn't writing about music, so I assume it's inaccurate.  Basically, responses in Spanish are fine, if accompanied by english counterpart. I do it to be "IC" as a S American people, I'm actually from Ohio. ;D

[Desertfox]

My own: The Swiss are willing/ready to help

Borys: The Hapsburg can design, for a song

[ledeper]

The Baltic confederation can offer several cruser designs armed with our superior Krupp-guns

[The Rock Doctor]

Two designs.  The first meets specification, though it is somewhat faster than called for.  The second design does not meet specification, being too small to mount six main battery guns, but is presented as an economic alternative. 

Gran Colombian designers think it's wasteful (and difficult to fit on the deck space) both 6" and 4" guns, so there's a uniform 6", plus one anti-airship gun.  You'd have to supply the main battery, as GC uses 5.5" guns for its protected cruisers.

Constructing either one in a GC yard would be problematic (then again, find me somebody here who isn't going "balls out" on their own naval programs), but I might be able to squeeze in one of the smaller units.  Gran Colombia thinks the smaller design is a rather handy thing for independent duties, and intends to build two units of a similar design.

Note break-down of miscellaneous weight for each type.

Larger Cruiser

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   3,853 t light; 4,030 t standard; 4,659 t normal; 5,161 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   400.21 ft / 393.70 ft x 59.06 ft x 15.58 ft (normal load)
   121.98 m / 120.00 m x 18.00 m  x 4.75 m

Armament:
      2 - 5.98" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 107.15lbs / 48.60kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all forward
      2 - 5.98" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 107.15lbs / 48.60kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships
      2 - 5.98" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 107.15lbs / 48.60kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline, all aft, 1 raised mount
      1 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns in single mounts, 30.51lbs / 13.84kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading gun in deck mount
     on centreline amidships
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1910 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 673 lbs / 305 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200
   4 - 18.0" / 457 mm above water torpedoes, 4 - 18.0" / 457 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2.95" / 75 mm   275.59 ft / 84.00 m   9.22 ft / 2.81 m
   Ends:   0.98" / 25 mm   118.08 ft / 35.99 m   9.22 ft / 2.81 m
     Main Belt covers 108 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.98" / 25 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      2.95" / 75 mm
   2nd:   0.98" / 25 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      2.95" / 75 mm
   3rd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 0.98" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 2.95" / 75 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 24,000 shp / 17,904 Kw = 25.06 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 10.00 kts (Bunkerage = 1,131 tons)

Complement:
   281 - 366

Cost:
   £0.374 million / $1.494 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 84 tons, 1.8 %
   Armour: 680 tons, 14.6 %
      - Belts: 357 tons, 7.7 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 35 tons, 0.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 270 tons, 5.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 18 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 1,200 tons, 25.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,819 tons, 39.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 805 tons, 17.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 70 tons, 1.5 %
-25 t:  Marconi
-25 t:  Flag facilities
-4 t:  Fish
-16 t:  Weight reserve

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5,862 lbs / 2,659 Kg = 54.7 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.37
   Metacentric height 3.9 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 12.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.17
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.25

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.450
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.67 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -16.40 ft / -5.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      24.28 ft / 7.40 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   20.34 ft / 6.20 m
      - Mid (50 %):      20.34 ft / 6.20 m (12.47 ft / 3.80 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   12.47 ft / 3.80 m
      - Stern:      12.47 ft / 3.80 m
      - Average freeboard:   16.72 ft / 5.10 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 106.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 147.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 14,830 Square feet or 1,378 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 122 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 83 lbs/sq ft or 407 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.09
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Smaller Design

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1909

Displacement:
   3,269 t light; 3,417 t standard; 4,002 t normal; 4,470 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   402.30 ft / 393.70 ft x 42.65 ft x 18.54 ft (normal load)
   122.62 m / 120.00 m x 13.00 m  x 5.65 m

Armament:
      3 - 5.98" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 107.15lbs / 48.60kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, majority aft, 1 raised mount aft
      1 - 5.98" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 107.15lbs / 48.60kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading gun in a deck mount with hoist
     on centreline amidships, 1 raised gun
      1 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading gun in deck mount
     on centreline amidships, 1 raised gun
      4 - 2.00" / 50.8 mm guns in single mounts, 4.00lbs / 1.81kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1909 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 458 lbs / 208 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 250
   4 - 18.0" / 457 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2.95" / 75 mm   282.15 ft / 86.00 m   7.84 ft / 2.39 m
   Ends:   0.98" / 25 mm   111.52 ft / 33.99 m   7.84 ft / 2.39 m
     Main Belt covers 110 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.98" / 25 mm   0.39" / 10 mm      0.98" / 25 mm
   2nd:   0.98" / 25 mm   0.39" / 10 mm      0.98" / 25 mm
   3rd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 0.98" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 2.95" / 75 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 22,000 shp / 16,412 Kw = 25.37 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 10.00 kts (Bunkerage = 1,052 tons)

Complement:
   251 - 327

Cost:
   £0.317 million / $1.266 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 57 tons, 1.4 %
   Armour: 529 tons, 13.2 %
      - Belts: 301 tons, 7.5 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 17 tons, 0.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 195 tons, 4.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 16 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 1,100 tons, 27.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,418 tons, 35.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 733 tons, 18.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 165 tons, 4.1 %
-25 t:  Marconi shack
-25 t:  Flag facilities
-20 t:  Climatization (GC's not used to building for sub-arctic environments)
-4 t:  Fish
-60 t:  Rails for laying and storing sixty mines
-26 t:  Weight Reserve (for ice accumulations?)

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     4,322 lbs / 1,960 Kg = 40.3 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 0.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.23
   Metacentric height 2.0 ft / 0.6 m
   Roll period: 12.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.37
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.56

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.450
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.23 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 45
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      23.62 ft / 7.20 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      19.69 ft / 6.00 m (11.81 ft / 3.60 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Stern:      11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Average freeboard:   16.06 ft / 4.90 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 105.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 110.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 10,711 Square feet or 995 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 119 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 71 lbs/sq ft or 345 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.45
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Desertfox]

Swiss Proposal, meets all specs, has good range, and excellent seakeeping.


Export , New Switzerland Light Cruiser laid down 1907 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   2,828 t light; 2,992 t standard; 3,696 t normal; 4,260 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   370.00 ft / 370.00 ft x 37.00 ft x 21.00 ft (normal load)
   112.78 m / 112.78 m x 11.28 m  x 6.40 m

Armament:
      6 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1907 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, 3 raised mounts
      4 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1907 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1907 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 776 lbs / 352 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200
   8 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.00" / 76 mm   270.00 ft / 82.30 m   7.00 ft / 2.13 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 112 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 2.00" / 51 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 20,260 shp / 15,114 Kw = 25.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,268 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   236 - 308

Cost:
   £0.322 million / $1.289 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 97 tons, 2.6 %
   Armour: 505 tons, 13.7 %
      - Belts: 231 tons, 6.3 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 21 tons, 0.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 242 tons, 6.6 %
      - Conning Tower: 10 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 1,013 tons, 27.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,158 tons, 31.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 868 tons, 23.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 55 tons, 1.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3,328 lbs / 1,509 Kg = 30.8 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 0.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.32
   Metacentric height 1.8 ft / 0.6 m
   Roll period: 11.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.44
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.67

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.450
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.24 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 43
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Mid (40 %):      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Stern:      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:   14.70 ft / 4.48 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 111.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 70.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 8,732 Square feet or 811 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 63 lbs/sq ft or 308 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.89
      - Longitudinal: 2.86
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather


EDIT: Fixed a small mistake, all guns are single mounts.

[Carthaginian]

Is short one main gun from requirements, but has the advantage of being able to be built in domestic yards, as it's engine tech does not exceed NUS's current level. Can fire all 5 guns into either broadside- midships mounts are mounted to crossdeck. Included one 4" gun for anti-airship duty, as the 6' guns should be able to handle anti-TB duty.

NUS Cruiser, laid down 1909 (Engine 1905)

Displacement:
   3,704 t light; 3,862 t standard; 4,710 t normal; 5,388 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   380.00 ft / 380.00 ft x 38.00 ft x 20.00 ft (normal load)
   115.82 m / 115.82 m x 11.58 m  x 6.10 m

Armament:
      3 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, majority aft
      2 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships
      1 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 30.00lbs / 13.61kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing gun in deck mount
     on centreline aft, 1 raised gun
      8 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1909 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 534 lbs / 242 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200
   4 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.00" / 76 mm   275.00 ft / 83.82 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 111 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.00" / 25 mm         -         3.00" / 76 mm
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -         3.00" / 76 mm
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.00" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 3.00" / 76 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 16,000 shp / 11,936 Kw = 22.54 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 10.27 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,526 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   283 - 369

Cost:
   £0.377 million / $1.507 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 72 tons, 1.5 %
   Armour: 639 tons, 13.6 %
      - Belts: 407 tons, 8.6 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 24 tons, 0.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 190 tons, 4.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 18 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 1,333 tons, 28.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,575 tons, 33.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,006 tons, 21.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 85 tons, 1.8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5,099 lbs / 2,313 Kg = 47.2 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 0.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.22
   Metacentric height 1.7 ft / 0.5 m
   Roll period: 12.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.67
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.571
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.49 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 35
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Mid (50 %):      24.00 ft / 7.32 m (16.00 ft / 4.88 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Stern:      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:   20.00 ft / 6.10 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 106.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 117.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 10,276 Square feet or 955 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 119 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 64 lbs/sq ft or 311 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.83
      - Longitudinal: 5.03
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Misc Weight:
  4 tons - torpedoes
25 tons - Marconi, large
56 tons - room for customization/expansion

[P3D]

Some Orange designs are here, they can be modified at customer's request.

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