The first Baltic Confederation Dreadnougth

[ledeper]

Erzatz Isbre, Baltic Confedration Dreadnougth laid down 1908

Displacement:
   23.705 t light; 25.160 t standard; 31.680 t normal; 36.896 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   600,00 ft / 600,00 ft x 100,00 ft x 30,00 ft (normal load)
   182,88 m / 182,88 m x 30,48 m  x 9,14 m

Armament:
      8 - 12,01" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 865,70lbs / 392,67kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      18 - 5,98" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 107,15lbs / 48,60kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
      16 - 4,09" / 104 mm guns in single mounts, 34,32lbs / 15,57kg shells, 1908 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 9.403 lbs / 4.265 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13,0" / 330 mm   389,99 ft / 118,87 m   12,01 ft / 3,66 m
   Ends:   6,00" / 152 mm   209,97 ft / 64,00 m   12,01 ft / 3,66 m
   Upper:   4,00" / 102 mm   389,99 ft / 118,87 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,00" / 25 mm   389,99 ft / 118,87 m   28,48 ft / 8,68 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11,1" / 281 mm   9,00" / 229 mm      10,0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   4,00" / 102 mm   4,00" / 102 mm      4,00" / 102 mm

   - Armour deck: 1,00" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 14,02" / 356 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 5 shafts, 71.685 shp / 53.477 Kw = 25,00 kts
   Range 6.700nm at 18,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 11.735 tons (85% coal)

Complement:
   1.186 - 1.543

Cost:
   £2,366 million / $9,465 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1.175 tons, 3,7 %
   Armour: 7.249 tons, 22,9 %
      - Belts: 3.798 tons, 12,0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 411 tons, 1,3 %
      - Armament: 1.913 tons, 6,0 %
      - Armour Deck: 824 tons, 2,6 %
      - Conning Tower: 302 tons, 1,0 %
   Machinery: 3.924 tons, 12,4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 11.358 tons, 35,9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 7.975 tons, 25,2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     42.085 lbs / 19.089 Kg = 48,6 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 6,5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,16
   Metacentric height 6,6 ft / 2,0 m
   Roll period: 16,4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 84 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,34
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,11

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,616
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24,49 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 75
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      28,18 ft / 8,59 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   17,95 ft / 5,47 m
      - Mid (50 %):      17,95 ft / 5,47 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   17,95 ft / 5,47 m
      - Stern:      17,95 ft / 5,47 m
      - Average freeboard:   18,77 ft / 5,72 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 87,1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 128,4 %
   Waterplane Area: 44.542 Square feet or 4.138 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 129 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 189 lbs/sq ft or 923 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1,19
      - Longitudinal: 1,69
      - Overall: 1,23
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

just a flimsy idea

[Korpen]

Erzatz Isbre, Baltic Confedration Dreadnougth laid down 1908

Well, it would not be the first..
THe Ultor class should be in service by now: http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=255.msg2103#msg2103

[ledeper]

Ups wrong design prev posted,here is the new rigth one :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Erzatz Isbre,
Baltic Confedration Dreadnougth
evt to be laid down 1908

Displacement:
   22.867 t light; 24.267 t standard; 28.903 t normal; 32.612 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   622,60 ft / 600,00 ft x 100,00 ft x 30,00 ft (normal load)
   189,77 m / 182,88 m x 30,48 m  x 9,14 m

Armament:
      8 - 12,01" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 865,70lbs / 392,67kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      18 - 5,98" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 107,15lbs / 48,60kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
      16 - 4,09" / 104 mm guns in single mounts, 34,32lbs / 15,57kg shells, 1908 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 9.403 lbs / 4.265 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13,0" / 330 mm   389,99 ft / 118,87 m   12,01 ft / 3,66 m
   Ends:   6,00" / 152 mm   209,97 ft / 64,00 m   12,01 ft / 3,66 m
   Upper:   4,00" / 102 mm   389,99 ft / 118,87 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,00" / 25 mm   389,99 ft / 118,87 m   28,48 ft / 8,68 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11,1" / 281 mm   9,00" / 229 mm      10,0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   4,00" / 102 mm   4,00" / 102 mm      4,00" / 102 mm

   - Armour deck: 1,00" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 14,02" / 356 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 5 shafts, 66.184 shp / 49.373 Kw = 25,00 kts
   Range 6.700nm at 18,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 8.345 tons

Complement:
   1.107 - 1.440

Cost:
   £2,256 million / $9,023 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1.175 tons, 4,1 %
   Armour: 7.139 tons, 24,7 %
      - Belts: 3.787 tons, 13,1 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 411 tons, 1,4 %
      - Armament: 1.873 tons, 6,5 %
      - Armour Deck: 783 tons, 2,7 %
      - Conning Tower: 284 tons, 1,0 %
   Machinery: 3.343 tons, 11,6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 11.210 tons, 38,8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 6.036 tons, 20,9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     37.740 lbs / 17.119 Kg = 43,6 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 6,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,12
   Metacentric height 6,2 ft / 1,9 m
   Roll period: 16,8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 84 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,34
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,12

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,562
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24,49 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 75
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 40,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26,94 ft / 8,21 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   17,16 ft / 5,23 m
      - Mid (50 %):      17,16 ft / 5,23 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   17,16 ft / 5,23 m
      - Stern:      17,16 ft / 5,23 m
      - Average freeboard:   17,94 ft / 5,47 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 87,2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 125,0 %
   Waterplane Area: 42.347 Square feet or 3.934 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 124 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 196 lbs/sq ft or 956 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1,21
      - Longitudinal: 1,74
      - Overall: 1,26
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
comments pls

[Korpen]

With 1909 engines we are limited to a maximum od 12 000 shp / shaft. So the ship got to be slower as the max shp she can have is 48 000.
Also the ships needs more misc weight, around 250-300 tons should be enogh.

[ledeper]

Erzatz Isbre, Baltic Confedration Dreadnougth laid down 1908

Well, it would not be the first..
THe Ultor class should be in service by now


I dont consider Ultor class as dreadnougths,to few guns,in my wiev I consider they are semidreadnougths .

[The Rock Doctor]

The bunkerage is excessive, and unless you have a domestic source of oil, I'd recommend sticking to coal-firing.

I can't see the secondary and tertiary batteries fitting amidships, unless the secondaries are to be hull casemates.

I'd vote for heavier deck armor.

[ledeper]

Erzatz Isbre, Baltic Confedration Dreadnougth laid down 1908

Displacement:
   23.705 t light; 25.160 t standard; 31.680 t normal; 36.896 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   628,18 ft / 600,00 ft x 100,00 ft x 30,00 ft (normal load)
   191,47 m / 182,88 m x 30,48 m  x 9,14 m

Armament:
      8 - 12,01" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 865,70lbs / 392,67kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      18 - 5,98" / 152 mm guns (9x2 guns), 107,15lbs / 48,60kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, all amidships
      16 - 4,09" / 104 mm guns in single mounts, 34,32lbs / 15,57kg shells, 1908 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 9.403 lbs / 4.265 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13,0" / 330 mm   389,99 ft / 118,87 m   12,01 ft / 3,66 m
   Ends:   6,00" / 152 mm   209,97 ft / 64,00 m   12,01 ft / 3,66 m
   Upper:   4,00" / 102 mm   389,99 ft / 118,87 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,00" / 25 mm   389,99 ft / 118,87 m   28,48 ft / 8,68 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11,1" / 281 mm   9,00" / 229 mm      10,0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   4,00" / 102 mm   4,00" / 102 mm      4,00" / 102 mm

   - Armour deck: 1,00" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 14,02" / 356 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 5 shafts, 51.581 shp / 38.480 Kw = 23,00 kts
   Range 6.700nm at 18,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 11.735 tons (85% coal)

Complement:
   1.186 - 1.543

Cost:
   £2,212 million / $8,849 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1.175 tons, 3,7 %
   Armour: 7.634 tons, 24,1 %
      - Belts: 3.798 tons, 12,0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 411 tons, 1,3 %
      - Armament: 2.299 tons, 7,3 %
      - Armour Deck: 824 tons, 2,6 %
      - Conning Tower: 302 tons, 1,0 %
   Machinery: 2.823 tons, 8,9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 12.072 tons, 38,1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 7.975 tons, 25,2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     48.274 lbs / 21.897 Kg = 55,8 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 8,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,08
   Metacentric height 5,8 ft / 1,8 m
   Roll period: 17,5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 98 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,45
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,30

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,616
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24,49 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 75
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 45,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      28,18 ft / 8,59 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   17,95 ft / 5,47 m
      - Mid (50 %):      17,95 ft / 5,47 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   17,95 ft / 5,47 m
      - Stern:      17,95 ft / 5,47 m
      - Average freeboard:   18,77 ft / 5,72 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 73,2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 128,4 %
   Waterplane Area: 44.542 Square feet or 4.138 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 140 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 201 lbs/sq ft or 981 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1,23
      - Longitudinal: 1,77
      - Overall: 1,28
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
another try ;) :) :)

[Tanthalas]

drop speed to 22 kts. that should get you under 48000 shp.  also have you tryd it with 14" guns?

[ledeper]

Erzatz Isbre, Baltic Confedration Dreadnougth laid down 1908

Displacement:
   23.715 t light; 25.291 t standard; 32.297 t normal; 37.902 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   626,94 ft / 600,00 ft x 100,00 ft x 30,00 ft (normal load)
   191,09 m / 182,88 m x 30,48 m  x 9,14 m

Armament:
      6 - 14,00" / 356 mm guns (3x2 guns), 1.372,00lbs / 622,33kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority aft
      18 - 5,98" / 152 mm guns (9x2 guns), 107,15lbs / 48,60kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, all amidships
      16 - 4,09" / 104 mm guns in single mounts, 34,32lbs / 15,57kg shells, 1908 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 10.710 lbs / 4.858 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   14,0" / 356 mm   389,99 ft / 118,87 m   12,01 ft / 3,66 m
   Ends:   6,00" / 152 mm   209,97 ft / 64,00 m   12,01 ft / 3,66 m
   Upper:   4,00" / 102 mm   389,99 ft / 118,87 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,00" / 25 mm   389,99 ft / 118,87 m   28,48 ft / 8,68 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   14,0" / 356 mm   9,00" / 229 mm      10,0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   4,00" / 102 mm   4,00" / 102 mm      4,00" / 102 mm

   - Armour deck: 3,00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 14,00" / 356 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 5 shafts, 52.438 shp / 39.119 Kw = 23,00 kts
   Range 6.700nm at 18,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 12.610 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   1.203 - 1.565

Cost:
   £2,362 million / $9,450 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1.339 tons, 4,1 %
   Armour: 9.392 tons, 29,1 %
      - Belts: 4.008 tons, 12,4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 411 tons, 1,3 %
      - Armament: 2.168 tons, 6,7 %
      - Armour Deck: 2.500 tons, 7,7 %
      - Conning Tower: 306 tons, 0,9 %
   Machinery: 2.913 tons, 9,0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 9.871 tons, 30,6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 8.582 tons, 26,6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 0,6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     45.331 lbs / 20.562 Kg = 33,0 x 14,0 " / 356 mm shells or 7,4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,08
   Metacentric height 5,8 ft / 1,8 m
   Roll period: 17,5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 97 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,50
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,30

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle
   Block coefficient: 0,628
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24,49 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 75
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 45,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26,94 ft / 8,21 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   20,44 ft / 6,23 m (18,80 ft / 5,73 m aft of break)
      - Mid (50 %):      17,16 ft / 5,23 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   17,16 ft / 5,23 m
      - Stern:      17,16 ft / 5,23 m
      - Average freeboard:   18,58 ft / 5,66 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 78,6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 125,1 %
   Waterplane Area: 45.041 Square feet or 4.184 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 124 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 163 lbs/sq ft or 796 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,97
      - Longitudinal: 1,40
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Last try :) :) :) :) :) :)

[Korpen]

Erzatz Isbre, Baltic Confedration Dreadnougth laid down 1908

Displacement:
   23.705 t light; 25.160 t standard; 31.680 t normal; 36.896 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   628,18 ft / 600,00 ft x 100,00 ft x 30,00 ft (normal load)
   191,47 m / 182,88 m x 30,48 m  x 9,14 m

Armament:
      8 - 12,01" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 865,70lbs / 392,67kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      18 - 5,98" / 152 mm guns (9x2 guns), 107,15lbs / 48,60kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, all amidships
      16 - 4,09" / 104 mm guns in single mounts, 34,32lbs / 15,57kg shells, 1908 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 9.403 lbs / 4.265 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

She is still over engined, less so, but still significant.
The total number of main guns she have is the same as the Ultor-class.
But she really need thicker deck armour, 25mm is ok on a light cruiser, not on the pride of the fleet (but it is twice what the ultor-class have, so it is an improvment).
The amount of coal is insane, considering the enormous difference in draft she will have between normal and deep draft i would say the main belt need to be at least 1 or 2m higher/deeper just to compensate for that. Reduce cruising speed to 15kts and you could cut the coal bunkers in half, to 1/3 if going for 12 kts.

Finally, 8x30cm guns are a fairly light armament for a 23kton ship.

[ledeper]

Erzatz Isbre, Baltic Confedration Dreadnougth laid down 1908

Displacement:
   24.569 t light; 26.401 t standard; 33.634 t normal; 39.421 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   626,94 ft / 600,00 ft x 100,00 ft x 30,00 ft (normal load)
   191,09 m / 182,88 m x 30,48 m  x 9,14 m

Armament:
      8 - 14,00" / 356 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.372,00lbs / 622,33kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      18 - 5,98" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 107,15lbs / 48,60kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
      16 - 4,09" / 104 mm guns in single mounts, 34,32lbs / 15,57kg shells, 1908 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 13.454 lbs / 6.103 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13,0" / 330 mm   390,00 ft / 118,87 m   12,00 ft / 3,66 m
   Ends:   6,00" / 152 mm   209,98 ft / 64,00 m   12,00 ft / 3,66 m
   Upper:   4,00" / 102 mm   390,00 ft / 118,87 m   8,00 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,00" / 25 mm   390,00 ft / 118,87 m   28,58 ft / 8,71 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   14,0" / 356 mm   9,00" / 229 mm      10,0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   4,00" / 102 mm   4,00" / 102 mm      4,00" / 102 mm

   - Armour deck: 3,00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 14,00" / 356 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 5 shafts, 54.302 shp / 40.509 Kw = 23,00 kts
   Range 6.700nm at 18,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 13.019 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   1.241 - 1.614

Cost:
   £2,695 million / $10,780 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1.682 tons, 5,0 %
   Armour: 9.372 tons, 27,9 %
      - Belts: 3.803 tons, 11,3 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 412 tons, 1,2 %
      - Armament: 2.282 tons, 6,8 %
      - Armour Deck: 2.560 tons, 7,6 %
      - Conning Tower: 314 tons, 0,9 %
   Machinery: 3.017 tons, 9,0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 10.199 tons, 30,3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 9.065 tons, 27,0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 0,9 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     42.461 lbs / 19.260 Kg = 30,9 x 14,0 " / 356 mm shells or 6,5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
   Metacentric height 6,0 ft / 1,8 m
   Roll period: 17,2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 94 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,54
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,25

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle
   Block coefficient: 0,654
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24,49 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 75
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 45,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26,94 ft / 8,21 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   20,44 ft / 6,23 m (17,16 ft / 5,23 m aft of break)
      - Mid (50 %):      17,16 ft / 5,23 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   17,16 ft / 5,23 m
      - Stern:      17,16 ft / 5,23 m
      - Average freeboard:   18,33 ft / 5,59 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 86,8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 121,5 %
   Waterplane Area: 46.132 Square feet or 4.286 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 115 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 166 lbs/sq ft or 808 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,97
      - Longitudinal: 1,37
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Another revision due to "black info"

[Borys]

Ahoj!
Had to revise my post, as you posted yet another design. But most of my comments still hold. Korpen is correct on speed and range - 6-8000K nm at 10-12 knots and you should be a happy camper :)

Sorry, no rest for the wicked :)

Remember - half of the Main Belt is below the waterline.

We can't go over 4 shafts - that's the absolute limit.
But I'd say you are almost there, as the design is concerned.
4 shafts at 12,000 SHP each should give you a speed of 21, which is enough. That will allow you to mount a fourth Main Battery turret. I SEE YOU DID THAT :)
Cut back on Main Gun ammo to 80-110 shells, and the number of 6 inch secondaries to 12-14. Maybe swap End Belt and Upper Belt thickness?
I'd cut the Main Belt to 12 or 13 inches, and
- extend MB by 4 feet, and Upper Belt by two feet
- thicken upper belt to 8 to 10 inches

Yet another possible tweak is trim - you have excellent fire platform, but not so good stability - try to bring to up stability to 1,15 - that will make the ship more survivable.
ATM Main Gun barbette thickness is not OK, as there is a 4 foot gap between Upper Belt and weather deck, where the paper thin 10 inch barbette is exposed. If you bring the Upper Belt to weather deck level (and to 8 inches or better), then the 10 inch barbette will be enough. If you decide to use superfiring turrets, then I suggest 11 inch barbettes minimum. And then you can leave 8 feet of the sides unarmoured - or thinly armoured.


Borys
 

[Tanthalas]

To many shafts we are limited to no more than 4 shafts sry man I thought of the same thing =P  Do you have superfireing? If you do you also have triple turrets.  in which case id suggest something like my light bb plan  20kts, good armor, and 3 trip 12" turrets one being superfireing.

[Borys]

Ahoj!
An example of what can be achieved on similar displacement and armament.
http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=825.msg11120#msg11120
I am building two such ships, and plan to order a third.

Borys

[P3D]

I'd go with 14" guns. You should also make B and X turrets superfiring. As Khymerion started researching it back, it is available to you 1909 the latest.
150 shells per gun... on the high side, but SS default.

The 6" guns must be placed in the casemates, turreted 6" secondaries are a bit early (according to the rules). You don't need 18 of them either. 105mm is too large for tertiaries, make them 3".
Upper belt should be thicker (6-8").
5.47m freeboard would require 14-15' main belt (upper belt height is usually one deck, roughly 8') to have continuous coverage up to the weather deck. Or decrease freeboard.
Armored deck should be at least 2".
Torpedo Bulkhead 1.5".

Turret face should always be thicker than the belt.
Barbette: you have ~13" equivalent protection if you increase the belt. However, if you make the turrets superfiring, make it thicker.

You are limited to 4 shafts and 48000SHP.
You don't need such a huge range, it costs a lot of (both light and normal) displacement, especially for coal. 8000@12 would be adequate, anything more is just wasted.

Misc. Weight: the 200-250t Korpen is quoting is for other equipment and and displacement reserve. At least 100t should be needed for a battleship.

Size: limit length to 170m to fit in lvl 2 drydocks you have overseas - and lvl2 shipyards so you could build her.