Airplanes

[olekit]

We have rules how to build and maintain airships. So, what about airplanes?

[Desertfox]

I think it's, just be resonable. No 1,000 plane Air Forces yet.

[miketr]

Once we get to or near great war aircraft tech 1,000 plan air forces do become possible.  Germany at the end of the war was building over 300 a month.

Michael

[Carthaginian]

That's still a bit away, though.
Right now, the average airplane weighs about 2x as much as it's pilot, and can carry only a camera or couple of hand grenades for him to play with. They aren't exactly viable.

We need some rules eventually- like how many hundred aircraft we can build of each tech rating per build point, and the max # of BP's each level which can be used for aircraft production... but it's a while yet before they start making a difference in combat.

[P3D]

Current Airplanes can get into the air, perhaps rise to 10m height, and such. First practical airplanes needs the second tech.

[olekit]

1909 Sikorsky S-4 spent at the air, flying, about an hour, by the way. Anyhow. To biuld such thing, let it be experimental, we need some regulations  :)

[P3D]

1909 Sikorsky S-4 spent at the air, flying, about an hour, by the way. Anyhow. To biuld such thing, let it be experimental, we need some regulations  :)

That sounds exactly what an 1910-tech level aircraft (to be started in 1906) could do.

[Desertfox]

Well NS has already deployed a few Wright Fighters into combat zones. The Wrights are singl engine, two seaters, with a combat load of 50lbs, either one 30cal MG, a camera, or 5 5lb bombs (50mm mortar rounds).

I don't think we need rules for planes untill we get to the '20s. Planes just won't be decisive untill then. I did have some rules lying around, I'll see if I can find them.

[Carthaginian]

Well NS has already deployed a few Wright Fighters into combat zones. The Wrights are singl engine, two seaters, with a combat load of 50lbs, either one 30cal MG, a camera, or 5 5lb bombs (50mm mortar rounds).

I don't think we need rules for planes untill we get to the '20s. Planes just won't be decisive untill then. I did have some rules lying around, I'll see if I can find them.

Hell, my SAW in Iraq weighed almost 25 pounds with a 200 round belt.

Uhm... sorry, but a .30 cal of the day weighs a lot more than you can loft on a Flyer. The gun alone weighs 40+ pounds, the mount nearly 30 pounds and the ammunition (120 rnd cloth belt) will tack on another 15 pounds or so (my humble estimate from packing a lot of MG rounds personally).
You're looking at the better part of 100 pounds to get that gun on the plane..
http://www.spanamwar.com/Coltmachinegun.htm

The camera... sure.

The mortar rounds you are describing wouldn't come into being till mid-WWI, and then the lightest one I can find was 4.5 kg.

1906 aircraft can't be armed... they are just too fragile and lack the power to carry the extra load.

[Korpen]

The first ever bombing from an aircraft was 1/11 1911, an italina aircraft who droped a few handgrenades on a oasis in Libya.

I find no real arming of aircrafts untill 1915, early in WW1 pilot shot on each other with pistols and rifles.

[Walter]

I would think that the "Primitive" in "Primitive flying machines" says it all.

Hell, my SAW in Iraq weighed almost 25 pounds with a 200 round belt.

Fortunate for me, my service weapon was an Uzi. That was the secondary weapon of my unit. The primary weapon was the radio truck. Good for turning the unsuspecting enemy into roadkill. :D

I find no real arming of aircrafts untill 1915, early in WW1 pilot shot on each other with pistols and rifles.

... which would mean that even in the beginning of WW1, it was quite primitive. I guess the "1913: historical 1916 aircrafts" aircraft tech would see the first 'proper' armament on aircrafts...

[Ithekro]

Handguns and dynamite.  :D

[swamphen]

In Brandenburg, Herr Ellehammer has been making slow but steady progress since the first flight of his kite on 9 October 1907...

Handguns and dynamite.  :D

"Hurry up Bruno, keeping these matches lit is a royal pain!"
"Hmm which end of this thing do ya light?"
boom
"Whoops, not that one..."
;D

[P3D]

Well NS has already deployed a few Wright Fighters into combat zones. The Wrights are singl engine, two seaters, with a combat load of 50lbs, either one 30cal MG, a camera, or 5 5lb bombs (50mm mortar rounds).

I don't think we need rules for planes untill we get to the '20s. Planes just won't be decisive untill then. I did have some rules lying around, I'll see if I can find them.

NS did not deployed any Wright "Fighters" into combat zones. What happened is that a few aircraft was delivered to the frontlines - aircrafts that can get into the air with a single pilot, which could fly about 10 minutes before having to land. Basically a very good way to tie down resources for no gain whatsoever.
Any practical applications of heavier-than-air crafts, i.e. that would give you any advantage is tied to the latter technologies. The two countries that have this technology are China and UNK (with Russia finished).

[Desertfox]

Well I'm basing the Wright Fighters on a historical airplane, the Sonora. In 1914 this plane was used to bomb some warships during the Mexican Revolution, it carried 3 50lb bombs, a bombardier and a rudimentary bombsight. The Wrights where advanced enough to produce such a plane in 1908 well within the 1910 Tech.

For the plane I can use 50mm shells instead of mortar rounds, or even 3" shells. The MG can be fitted instead of the second crewmember and is only for anti-zeppelin duty.

Link to story and plane:
http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/travel/tonysarticles/tbdid0707.html

Added later: I do have 1910 Tech which is enough for combat planes, the Wrights where dong flights of 30+ minutes with two people in 1906, and Beirlot flew the Channel in 1908.