1905 Construction

[Earl822]

If we had construction planned for 1905 is it grandfathered?

Oh and can only of the Mods put some child boards for Army, Navy, Palace & Encylopedia in the UNK area.

[Earl822]

Actually, come to think about it, with permission I'd like to lay 2 of these down in 1905, it is an old design with modifications to fit in with the turbine tech

HMS Dreadnought Class, United Kingdom Battleship laid down 1905 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   18,814 t light; 19,869 t standard; 22,604 t normal; 24,793 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   556.58 ft / 552.00 ft x 75.00 ft (Bulges 90.00 ft) x 24.50 ft (normal load)
   169.65 m / 168.25 m x 22.86 m (Bulges 27.43 m)  x 7.47 m

Armament:
      8 - 13.39" / 340 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1,250.00lbs / 566.99kg shells, 1905 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      8 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1905 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all forward
     8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      6 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1905 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all aft
      16 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1905 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, 8 raised mounts
      24 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns (12x2 guns), 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1905 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, 6 raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 11,729 lbs / 5,320 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 90

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   390.00 ft / 118.87 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   162.00 ft / 49.38 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   5.00" / 127 mm   390.00 ft / 118.87 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 109 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead and Bulges:
      1.50" / 38 mm   390.00 ft / 118.87 m   24.00 ft / 7.32 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   9.00" / 229 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   5.00" / 127 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm
   3rd:   5.00" / 127 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm
   4th:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 3.00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 12.00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 30,826 shp / 22,996 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 8,825nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4,924 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   921 - 1,198

Cost:
   £2.063 million / $8.253 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,415 tons, 6.3 %
   Armour: 8,052 tons, 35.6 %
      - Belts: 3,266 tons, 14.4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 519 tons, 2.3 %
      - Armament: 2,299 tons, 10.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,760 tons, 7.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 207 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 1,541 tons, 6.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,730 tons, 34.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,790 tons, 16.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 75 tons, 0.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     28,034 lbs / 12,716 Kg = 23.4 x 13.4 " / 340 mm shells or 5.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.18
   Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 18.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 66 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.50
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.31

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.650
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.13 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.49 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26.00 ft / 7.92 m
      - Forecastle (25 %):   24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Mid (30 %):      24.00 ft / 7.32 m (14.00 ft / 4.27 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (10 %):   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Stern:      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:   17.25 ft / 5.26 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 95.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 96.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 31,715 Square feet or 2,946 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 163 lbs/sq ft or 797 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.98
      - Longitudinal: 1.24
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

HAMS Dreadnought, St Vincent & Orion

[Desertfox]

I would like to grandfather my two planned ACs, (lay down date: 1906, 1908) plus NSS United States. Otherwise Im OK.

[Earl822]

2 of these BB's will be the only construction in 1905, and will still need $4 each to finish in 1906

[Borys]

Ahoj!
As per my budget on the old board, I was panned to lay my experimental 50% oil fired vessel and  two colonial avisos. Later in the year something for the Danube, and maybe a fleet tender.

Borys

[P3D]

Ship construction cost (the $ one) must be paid when the ship is laid down. Thir represents naval laws and budgets setting money aside for the construction, companies sarting to manufacture armor plates and guns, and such.

[Ithekro]

Should we finish construction of 1905 ships per the old rules? and lay down new ships with the new rules in 1906?

[The Rock Doctor]

I'd prefer that ships for 1905 conform with the new tech tables.  Otherwise, we end up with even more non-conforming ships than we already have.

Since I didn't quite last long enough to plan 1905 shopping, I shall do so now.

[Borys]

Ahoj!
Good idea Rock.
Back to the drawing board for me ...

Borys

[P3D]

My suggestions for 1905 construction

Everyone can use half his total HBP for constrution to keep thing simple- so twice the HBP value for the whole year.
First, this must be spent on finishing existing ships. Even if those ships won't be finished in 1905.
Any remaining HBP can be spent on ships of classes already laid down in 1904, spending the maxmum amount of possible on each ship.

[Earl822]

Ok, both will need 6HBP each to finish in 1906

[Borys]

Ahoj!
I have noi carried over construction. Can I start something new - following new guidelines - in 1905?
Borys

[Alikchi]

I will have completed four protected cruisers, two transports, and 6 river gunboats for the Tigris + Euphrates.

Edit: Considering that I would have finished all of this by the end of 1904, I'm still not sure what I will do with 1905. Possibly a capital unit.

[P3D]

Ahoj!
I have noi carried over construction. Can I start something new - following new guidelines - in 1905?
Borys

If you do not want to use any older models, I'd guess you could.

[Earl822]

Revision from me, Dreadnought will be the only new ship design from the UKA in 1905, all other construction, being the finishing of old build programs including the Quebec and Fluerus Class Escort groups, and the Dido class Cruisers.