These are the "kolonial großer kreuzers" that will serve as flagships of the Neueguineaflotte and Afrikaflotte. They mount the 240mm/50 Ersatz Model (Model 1908) gun in single-sleeve triple turrets, the first triple turrets to be built by the Reich.
SMS Bismarck
SMS Von der Tann
German Großer Kreuzer laid down 1909
Displacement:
9,411 t light; 9,941 t standard; 10,896 t normal; 11,661 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
562.53 ft / 557.74 ft x 68.90 ft x 18.04 ft (normal load)
171.46 m / 170.00 m x 21.00 m x 5.50 m
Armament:
6 - 9.45" / 240 mm guns (2x3 guns), 418.88lbs / 190.00kg shells, 1908 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 99.21lbs / 45.00kg shells, 1901 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, all amidships
8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in all but light seas
10 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm guns in single mounts, 22.05lbs / 10.00kg shells, 1900 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts
6 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in all but light seas
6 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.10lbs / 0.50kg shells, 1905 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
4 - 0.30" / 7.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.01lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1902 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 3,534 lbs / 1,603 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
4 - 19.7" / 500 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.91" / 150 mm 328.08 ft / 100.00 m 10.66 ft / 3.25 m
Ends: 1.97" / 50 mm 229.66 ft / 70.00 m 10.66 ft / 3.25 m
Upper: 1.97" / 50 mm 328.08 ft / 100.00 m 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
Main Belt covers 90 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7.87" / 200 mm 5.12" / 130 mm 5.91" / 150 mm
2nd: 1.97" / 50 mm - 1.97" / 50 mm
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
- Armour deck: 1.97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 5.91" / 150 mm
Machinery:
Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 3 shafts, 36,000 shp / 26,856 Kw = 24.97 kts
Range 7,500nm at 10.00 kts (Bunkerage = 1,720 tons) (75% coal)
Complement:
533 - 693
Cost:
£0.950 million / $3.801 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 446 tons, 4.1 %
Armour: 2,851 tons, 26.2 %
- Belts: 1,304 tons, 12.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 508 tons, 4.7 %
- Armour Deck: 977 tons, 9.0 %
- Conning Tower: 63 tons, 0.6 %
Machinery: 1,756 tons, 16.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,233 tons, 38.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,485 tons, 13.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 125 tons, 1.1 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
14,286 lbs / 6,480 Kg = 33.9 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.24
Metacentric height 4.2 ft / 1.3 m
Roll period: 14.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.40
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.21
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.550
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.10 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.62 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 61
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 17.22 ft / 5.25 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 15.58 ft / 4.75 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 15.58 ft / 4.75 m
- Stern: 15.58 ft / 4.75 m
- Average freeboard: 15.94 ft / 4.86 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 89.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 151.2 %
Waterplane Area: 26,818 Square feet or 2,491 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 114 lbs/sq ft or 559 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.99
- Longitudinal: 1.05
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Pocket battleship anyone?
Nothing I can't handle. Like her!
Current plans are for two of the class 'firm', with a third 'if resources allow'. However, depending on how things go, additional ships of the class cannot be ruled out - they can be built rather quicker than those 28,000-ton-light
Über-Derfflingers. ;)
QuotePocket battleship anyone?
Heh, actually the panzerschiffen were slightly in the back of my mind when it came to ship size, but I wanted a 3x2 layout for the main battery. However that required a rather larger ship, while 2x3 allowed the vessel to be under the dictated limit of 10,000 tons light.
QuoteNothing I can't handle.
You say that now... (http://www.swamphen.net/graphics/animated/smilies/eyebrow.gif)
1 of these ones isn't a big deal for a battleship- painfull, yes, annoying, assuredly, but with a 1 on 1 it delivers 10 000 tons to Davey Jones's locker.
On the other hand, anything except the best armored cruisers will know it was ran over.
And I doubt we'll see this little kickass run around alone.
She is a AC with a bit more guns and an extra 4kts speed. If engages old big ACs 1:1, she wins, if more than one, she lose.
Constellation will eat them for lunch. Even Antares should be able to take one on on equal terms, and once the Mirias (ex-Phoenix) arrive they'll totaly outclass her.
I have a similar design Im planning to build only she will be slower and for the Great Lakes.
Maybe so, but I image the Brandenburgs being able to built two for one against your supercruisers and heavy cruisers. This vessel won't do so good against Rohan's new combat cruiser Valandil, but then it would get crushed by the Snowmane. Fortunately Rohan and Brandenburg are not presently enemies, nor are Swiss and Rohan. (the Brandenburg ships could also bebuilt at a two to one ratio to the Rohirrim ships....numbers verse size....the Graf Spree found that out personally at the River Plate)
No sense in adding to the "Yeah, well, my new ship..." part of the discussion. I would ask Swampy how he envisions these ships operating if their colonial station is attacked, so I can better understand the armament/armor/speed balance.
QuoteI would ask Swampy how he envisions these ships operating if their colonial station is attacked, so I can better understand the armament/armor/speed balance.
Well it depends on the threat level of the attacking force. Their primary mission is a combination of acting as an administrative centre for the colonial fleet, and providing fire support for ground troops should the natives get restless. (I may wind up equipping the 240/50 Ersatz Model with slightly lighter shells to increase the mv/range for this purpose).
In the event of being engaged by enemy forces, it depends on the threat level. Should the enemy force be inferior (say, for instance, New Zion decides to make a grab for Viktorialand), their job is to stomp it. Against an equal or slightly superior force, their job is to backstop the torpedobooten assigned to whittle it down to size. Against a superior force - i.e. battleships - , they are to hold for as long as possible, try to sting them into going away but if not do as much damage as possible before doing the 'bravely brave Sir Robin' bit. ;)
I thought only Swiss ships did that ;D I see that you too beleive in: Better a live dog than a dead lion!
I gotta whip something up for New Zion...
Ahoj!
From Warhammer Fantasy Battle, a Skaven (ratmen) saying:
- "He who runs away lives to fight another day"
BTW - the Skaven get a bonus to flee distance :D
Borys
Ships cost money to build, crews cost money to train. Neither does the Reich any good if they're in Herr Davy Jones' service. ;)
(Prepare for a PM on NZ fleet ideas...)
Revised design; All Oil Firing, draught/BC/freeboard fiddled with (end result extra freeboard and an extra ~500t light), nearly 2 knots speed added, slightly thinned turret armor (-10mm), extra range, stern torpedo tube added.
GK09, German Großer Kreuzer laid down 1909
Displacement:
9,911 t light; 10,444 t standard; 11,347 t normal; 12,068 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
563.39 ft / 557.74 ft x 68.90 ft x 19.69 ft (normal load)
171.72 m / 170.00 m x 21.00 m x 6.00 m
Armament:
6 - 9.45" / 240 mm guns (2x3 guns), 418.88lbs / 190.00kg shells, 1908 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 99.21lbs / 45.00kg shells, 1901 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
8 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm guns in single mounts, 22.05lbs / 10.00kg shells, 1900 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side ends, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
6 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.10lbs / 0.50kg shells, 1905 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
4 - 0.30" / 7.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.01lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1909 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 3,490 lbs / 1,583 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
1 - 19.7" / 500 mm above water torpedo tube
4 - 19.7" / 500 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.91" / 150 mm 360.89 ft / 110.00 m 10.66 ft / 3.25 m
Ends: 1.97" / 50 mm 196.85 ft / 60.00 m 10.66 ft / 3.25 m
Upper: 1.97" / 50 mm 360.89 ft / 110.00 m 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7.87" / 200 mm 4.72" / 120 mm 4.72" / 120 mm
2nd: 1.97" / 50 mm - -
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
- Armour deck: 1.97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 4.72" / 120 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 48,000 shp / 35,808 Kw = 26.81 kts
Range 6,000nm at 12.00 kts (Bunkerage = 1,624 tons)
Complement:
549 - 714
Cost:
£1.023 million / $4.092 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 441 tons, 3.9 %
Armour: 2,831 tons, 24.9 %
- Belts: 1,367 tons, 12.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 458 tons, 4.0 %
- Armour Deck: 954 tons, 8.4 %
- Conning Tower: 51 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 2,182 tons, 19.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,342 tons, 38.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,436 tons, 12.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 115 tons, 1.0 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
13,363 lbs / 6,061 Kg = 31.7 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 1.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.22
Metacentric height 4.1 ft / 1.3 m
Roll period: 14.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.42
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.20
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.525
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.10 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.62 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 27.07 ft / 8.25 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 17.22 ft / 5.25 m
- Mid (50 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Stern: 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Average freeboard: 17.48 ft / 5.33 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 97.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 148.5 %
Waterplane Area: 26,199 Square feet or 2,434 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 115 lbs/sq ft or 562 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.25
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
The range is a bit low for such a large cruiser with oil-firing.
Secondaries: you might want to go with just 88mm guns, against DDs it is enough, against larger ships you have the 9.4". 4x15cm on a side is a bit weak.
The 50mm upper armor can be penetrated even by 4" common shells.
1 above water TT?
Good point, that'll save some weight to put into armour...I'll spin it up and see how it goes.
Range is 6,000 at 12 knots, not 10, should it still be more?
The fifth tube is mounted within the hull, above the waterline, firing astern - a lot of the capital ship drawings in Jane's WWI show a tube in this position (although in Jane's it seems to be counted as an underwater tube).
Modified the design; a little more freeboard fiddling (bow down, fo'c'stle up), range 6,250 at 12, upper belt now 75mm, casemate battery now 12 x 88mm.
However there's further fun as well. The Admiralstab instructed Krupps to consider alternative armaments, specifically, what could be fit in the same barbette as 3x240mm?
The designers responded with a trio of additional designs. The first is the 'most likely alternative' (although the 240mm armed version is still the most likely period) with two twin 280mm turrets. These are 'drop in' replacements for the smaller triples, although ammo supply per gun is lower due to weight restrictions (6 x 150rpg vs 4 x 120 rpg).
The second mounts 2 x 305mm (150 rpg). This design proved, interestingly, to have a considerable amount of reserve weight left over, so the designers elected to raise the hull by a quarter of a metre (i.e. draught reduced by 0.25m, freeboard increased by same) and range was upped to 7,500nm at 12 knots. Of course the single turret can be dropped into a 'standard' GK09 as a replacement for the triple or single turrets above, as well.
The final design isn't a "drop in" as it requres a larger barbette (and 1m longer main armour belt), but the design actually proved capable of accepting two single 350mm guns...
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Design Anton, 2x3 240mm.
GK09-240, German Großer Kreuzer laid down 1909
Displacement:
9,925 t light; 10,409 t standard; 11,347 t normal; 12,097 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
563.18 ft / 557.74 ft x 68.90 ft x 19.69 ft (normal load)
171.66 m / 170.00 m x 21.00 m x 6.00 m
Armament:
6 - 9.45" / 240 mm guns (2x3 guns), 418.88lbs / 190.00kg shells, 1908 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
12 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm guns in single mounts, 22.05lbs / 10.00kg shells, 1900 Model
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
12 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
8 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm guns in single mounts, 22.05lbs / 10.00kg shells, 1900 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
6 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.10lbs / 0.50kg shells, 1905 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
4 - 0.30" / 7.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.01lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1909 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 2,961 lbs / 1,343 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
1 - 19.7" / 500 mm above water torpedoes
4 - 19.7" / 500 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.91" / 150 mm 344.49 ft / 105.00 m 10.66 ft / 3.25 m
Ends: 1.97" / 50 mm 213.25 ft / 65.00 m 10.66 ft / 3.25 m
Upper: 2.95" / 75 mm 344.49 ft / 105.00 m 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
Main Belt covers 95 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7.87" / 200 mm 4.92" / 125 mm 4.92" / 125 mm
2nd: 2.95" / 75 mm - -
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
- Armour deck: 1.97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 4.92" / 125 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 48,000 shp / 35,808 Kw = 26.81 kts
Range 6,250nm at 12.00 kts (Bunkerage = 1,687 tons)
Complement:
549 - 714
Cost:
£0.963 million / $3.853 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 369 tons, 3.3 %
Armour: 2,950 tons, 26.0 %
- Belts: 1,454 tons, 12.8 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 488 tons, 4.3 %
- Armour Deck: 954 tons, 8.4 %
- Conning Tower: 54 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 2,182 tons, 19.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,303 tons, 37.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,422 tons, 12.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 120 tons, 1.1 %
- Huelesmeyer device: 50 tons
- Markoni installation: 25 tons
- Flag accomodations: 25 tons
- Torpedoes: 15 tons
- Weight reserve: 5 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
14,158 lbs / 6,422 Kg = 33.6 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 1.9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.21
Metacentric height 4.1 ft / 1.2 m
Roll period: 14.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.38
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.21
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.525
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.10 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.62 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 24.61 ft / 7.50 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 18.86 ft / 5.75 m
- Mid (50 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Stern: 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Average freeboard: 17.72 ft / 5.40 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 93.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 151.8 %
Waterplane Area: 26,199 Square feet or 2,434 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 114 lbs/sq ft or 555 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.25
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
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Design Bruno, 2x2 283mm
GK09-280, German Großer Kreuzer laid down 1909
Displacement:
9,967 t light; 10,409 t standard; 11,347 t normal; 12,097 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
563.18 ft / 557.74 ft x 68.90 ft x 19.69 ft (normal load)
171.66 m / 170.00 m x 21.00 m x 6.00 m
Armament:
4 - 11.02" / 280 mm guns (2x2 guns), 661.39lbs / 300.00kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
12 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm guns in single mounts, 22.05lbs / 10.00kg shells, 1900 Model
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
12 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
8 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm guns in single mounts, 22.05lbs / 10.00kg shells, 1900 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
6 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.10lbs / 0.50kg shells, 1905 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
4 - 0.30" / 7.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.01lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1909 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 3,093 lbs / 1,403 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 120
1 - 19.7" / 500 mm above water torpedoes
4 - 19.7" / 500 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.91" / 150 mm 344.49 ft / 105.00 m 10.66 ft / 3.25 m
Ends: 1.97" / 50 mm 213.25 ft / 65.00 m 10.66 ft / 3.25 m
Upper: 2.95" / 75 mm 344.49 ft / 105.00 m 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
Main Belt covers 95 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7.87" / 200 mm 4.92" / 125 mm 4.92" / 125 mm
2nd: 2.95" / 75 mm - -
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
- Armour deck: 1.97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 4.92" / 125 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 48,000 shp / 35,808 Kw = 26.81 kts
Range 6,250nm at 12.00 kts (Bunkerage = 1,687 tons)
Complement:
549 - 714
Cost:
£0.980 million / $3.921 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 388 tons, 3.4 %
Armour: 2,934 tons, 25.9 %
- Belts: 1,454 tons, 12.8 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 472 tons, 4.2 %
- Armour Deck: 954 tons, 8.4 %
- Conning Tower: 54 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 2,182 tons, 19.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,343 tons, 38.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,379 tons, 12.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 120 tons, 1.1 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
14,035 lbs / 6,366 Kg = 21.0 x 11.0 " / 280 mm shells or 1.9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.21
Metacentric height 4.0 ft / 1.2 m
Roll period: 14.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.40
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.21
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.525
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.10 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.62 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 24.61 ft / 7.50 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 18.86 ft / 5.75 m
- Mid (50 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Stern: 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Average freeboard: 17.72 ft / 5.40 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 93.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 151.8 %
Waterplane Area: 26,199 Square feet or 2,434 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 115 lbs/sq ft or 560 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.26
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
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Design Caesar, 2x1 305mm
GK09-305, German Großer Kreuzer laid down 1909
Displacement:
9,376 t light; 9,785 t standard; 10,874 t normal; 11,745 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
563.25 ft / 557.74 ft x 68.90 ft x 18.86 ft (normal load)
171.68 m / 170.00 m x 21.00 m x 5.75 m
Armament:
2 - 12.01" / 305 mm guns in single mounts, 859.80lbs / 390.00kg shells, 1903 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
12 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm guns in single mounts, 22.05lbs / 10.00kg shells, 1900 Model
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
12 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
8 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm guns in single mounts, 22.05lbs / 10.00kg shells, 1900 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
6 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.10lbs / 0.50kg shells, 1905 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
4 - 0.30" / 7.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.01lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1909 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 2,167 lbs / 983 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
1 - 19.7" / 500 mm above water torpedoes
4 - 19.7" / 500 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.91" / 150 mm 344.49 ft / 105.00 m 10.66 ft / 3.25 m
Ends: 1.97" / 50 mm 213.25 ft / 65.00 m 10.66 ft / 3.25 m
Upper: 2.95" / 75 mm 344.49 ft / 105.00 m 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
Main Belt covers 95 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7.87" / 200 mm 4.92" / 125 mm 4.92" / 125 mm
2nd: 2.95" / 75 mm - -
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
- Armour deck: 1.97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 4.92" / 125 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 48,000 shp / 35,808 Kw = 26.98 kts
Range 7,500nm at 12.00 kts (Bunkerage = 1,960 tons)
Complement:
532 - 692
Cost:
£0.860 million / $3.440 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 270 tons, 2.5 %
Armour: 2,798 tons, 25.7 %
- Belts: 1,454 tons, 13.4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 338 tons, 3.1 %
- Armour Deck: 954 tons, 8.8 %
- Conning Tower: 52 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 2,182 tons, 20.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,006 tons, 36.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,498 tons, 13.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 120 tons, 1.1 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
15,048 lbs / 6,826 Kg = 17.4 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.26
Metacentric height 4.3 ft / 1.3 m
Roll period: 13.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.28
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.27
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.525
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.10 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.62 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 25.43 ft / 7.75 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 17.22 ft / 5.25 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 17.22 ft / 5.25 m
- Stern: 17.22 ft / 5.25 m
- Average freeboard: 18.54 ft / 5.65 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 89.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 164.3 %
Waterplane Area: 26,199 Square feet or 2,434 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 115 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 106 lbs/sq ft or 516 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.26
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
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Design Dora, 2x1 350mm
GK09-350, German Großer Kreuzer laid down 1909
Displacement:
9,917 t light; 10,409 t standard; 11,347 t normal; 12,097 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
563.18 ft / 557.74 ft x 68.90 ft x 19.69 ft (normal load)
171.66 m / 170.00 m x 21.00 m x 6.00 m
Armament:
2 - 13.78" / 350 mm guns in single mounts, 1,300.73lbs / 590.00kg shells, 1905 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
12 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm guns in single mounts, 22.05lbs / 10.00kg shells, 1900 Model
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
12 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
8 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm guns in single mounts, 22.05lbs / 10.00kg shells, 1900 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
6 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.10lbs / 0.50kg shells, 1905 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
4 - 0.30" / 7.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.01lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1909 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 3,049 lbs / 1,383 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
1 - 19.7" / 500 mm above water torpedoes
4 - 19.7" / 500 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.91" / 150 mm 347.77 ft / 106.00 m 10.66 ft / 3.25 m
Ends: 1.97" / 50 mm 209.97 ft / 64.00 m 10.66 ft / 3.25 m
Upper: 2.95" / 75 mm 347.77 ft / 106.00 m 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
Main Belt covers 96 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7.87" / 200 mm 4.92" / 125 mm 4.92" / 125 mm
2nd: 2.95" / 75 mm - -
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
- Armour deck: 1.97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 4.92" / 125 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 49,188 shp / 36,694 Kw = 26.98 kts
Range 6,250nm at 12.00 kts (Bunkerage = 1,687 tons)
Complement:
549 - 714
Cost:
£0.979 million / $3.918 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 380 tons, 3.4 %
Armour: 2,847 tons, 25.1 %
- Belts: 1,462 tons, 12.9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 378 tons, 3.3 %
- Armour Deck: 954 tons, 8.4 %
- Conning Tower: 54 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 2,236 tons, 19.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,334 tons, 38.2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,429 tons, 12.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 120 tons, 1.1 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
13,968 lbs / 6,336 Kg = 10.7 x 13.8 " / 350 mm shells or 1.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.23
Metacentric height 4.2 ft / 1.3 m
Roll period: 14.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.38
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.21
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.525
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.10 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.62 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 24.61 ft / 7.50 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 18.86 ft / 5.75 m
- Mid (50 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Stern: 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Average freeboard: 17.72 ft / 5.40 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 95.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 151.8 %
Waterplane Area: 26,199 Square feet or 2,434 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 114 lbs/sq ft or 559 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.98
- Longitudinal: 1.28
- Overall: 1.01
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Although the current 6x240 design should be quite good at Pacific and Indian Ocean duties, its speed and range are overkill for Rift Valley Channel patrol. Perhaps an optimised version of the 4x280 design with extra armour...
I'd say 26kts+ speed is necessary for the Rift, considering the Orange battlecruiser designs.
Also,
Well that depends on if they are backed up by something that doesn't need to run.
They are supposed to be stationed in Afrika, while the Hochseeflotte guards Neubrandenburg and raids whatever minimal Orange merchant traffic they can find. If they need some heavy backing, there's not much raison d'etre for the ship.
Ah, but can you send those battlecruisers through my minefields?
:P
But I agree the speed is probably necessary. Range, however...6250 at 12 is definitly overkill for the Rift.
So the production will probably be two -240 for the Neueguineaflotte peacetime flag squadron/Indian Ocean wartime raider role, and two -280 trading range for armour for the Orange juicing role. ;D
I think even your captain won't maneuver where there are minefields. So where your AC goes, could als omy ship go. And you can only have minefields in coastal/shallow seas, which is not too relevant to the deep Rift sea. The utility of mines, I'd guess is reduced around Africa due to the lack of shallow waters.
Hmm. Perhaps I should invest in torpedokreuzers for the Afrikaflotte...
The 'sharps are on the other computer so I won't be able to post details until later, but the riftkreuzer varies from the baseline GK09 like so:
-Powerplant reduced by one shaft (36,000shp/3, reduction of ~2 knots); this is felt to be acceptable given the increased armour/firepower and the restricted area of the Rift Valley Channel.
-Range 5,000nm @ 10 knots, bunkerage 20% coal (for emergency use in case of oil shortage)
-Main battery 2x2 280mm (300kg shells)
-Armour increased (main belt 250mm, upper belt 125mm, others also increased)
Dunno. 25kts might make enough of a difference to escape.
If you are going with 5000nm range, make it all coal. The emergency 1000nm@10kts is not enough to get the ship to a friendly port, especially when pursued.
Looks pretty wide to me. You could loose Italy in th e Rift and still be able to sail around it...maybe not even see land. Only the north end seems to have any narrowness to it and that's still probably 30 or so miles wide.
Ahoj!
Quote from: Ithekro on April 17, 2007, 03:03:20 PM
Only the north end seems to have any narrowness to it and that's still probably 30 or so miles wide.
Dibs on setting up a toll-house!
Borys
If I make it all coal, or increase speed, I'll have reduce the range more, reduce the armour, or make the ship bigger (pick any two). :(
My first attempts with SSbeta3:
GK1909-240, Brandenburg Großer Kreuzer laid down 1909
Displacement:
9,883 t light; 10,409 t standard; 11,347 t normal; 12,097 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(563.18 ft / 557.74 ft) x 68.90 ft x (19.69 / 20.69 ft)
(171.66 m / 170.00 m) x 21.00 m x (6.00 / 6.31 m)
Armament:
6 - 9.45" / 240 mm 50.0 cal guns - 418.88lbs / 190.00kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1908 Model
2 x Triple mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
12 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 22.05lbs / 10.00kg shells, 400 per gun
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
8 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 22.05lbs / 10.00kg shells, 200 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
6 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 1.10lbs / 0.50kg shells, 1,500 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
6 raised mounts
4 - 0.30" / 7.7 mm 62.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2,000 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1909 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 2,961 lbs / 1,343 kg
1 - 19.7" / 500 mm, 19.69 ft / 6.00 m torpedo - 1.099 t total
In a deck mounted carriage/fixed tube
4 - 19.7" / 500 mm, 19.69 ft / 6.00 m torpedoes - 1.099 t each, 4.396 t total
In 4 sets of submerged side tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.91" / 150 mm 328.08 ft / 100.00 m 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
Ends: 1.97" / 50 mm 229.66 ft / 70.00 m 10.66 ft / 3.25 m
Upper: 2.95" / 75 mm 328.08 ft / 100.00 m 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
Main Belt covers 90 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7.87" / 200 mm 4.92" / 125 mm 4.92" / 125 mm
2nd: 2.95" / 75 mm - -
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
- Armoured deck - single deck: 1.97" / 50 mm For and Aft decks
Forecastle: 1.97" / 50 mm Quarter deck: 1.97" / 50 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 4.92" / 125 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 48,000 shp / 35,808 Kw = 26.81 kts
Range 6,250nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,687 tons
Complement:
549 - 714
Cost:
£0.951 million / $3.805 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 748 tons, 6.6 %
- Guns: 742 tons, 6.5 %
- Torpedoes: 5 tons, 0.0 %
Armour: 2,902 tons, 25.6 %
- Belts: 1,472 tons, 13.0 %
- Armament: 414 tons, 3.6 %
- Armour Deck: 962 tons, 8.5 %
- Conning Tower: 54 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 2,182 tons, 19.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,932 tons, 34.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,463 tons, 12.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 120 tons, 1.1 %
- Hull below water: 20 tons
- Hull above water: 25 tons
- On freeboard deck: 25 tons
- Above deck: 50 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
14,879 lbs / 6,749 Kg = 35.3 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.22
Metacentric height 4.1 ft / 1.3 m
Roll period: 14.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.38
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.22
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.525 / 0.533
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.10 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.62 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 24.61 ft / 7.50 m, 18.86 ft / 5.75 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 16.90 ft / 5.15 m, 16.90 ft / 5.15 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 16.90 ft / 5.15 m, 16.90 ft / 5.15 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 16.90 ft / 5.15 m, 16.90 ft / 5.15 m
- Average freeboard: 17.75 ft / 5.41 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 89.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 153.4 %
Waterplane Area: 26,199 Square feet or 2,434 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 114 lbs/sq ft or 557 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.98
- Longitudinal: 1.27
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
GK1909-280, Brandenburg Großer Kreuzer laid down 1909
Displacement:
9,872 t light; 10,409 t standard; 11,347 t normal; 12,097 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(563.18 ft / 557.74 ft) x 68.90 ft x (19.69 / 20.69 ft)
(171.66 m / 170.00 m) x 21.00 m x (6.00 / 6.31 m)
Armament:
4 - 11.02" / 280 mm 45.0 cal guns - 661.39lbs / 300.00kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1909 Model
2 x Triple mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
12 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 22.05lbs / 10.00kg shells, 400 per gun
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
8 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 22.05lbs / 10.00kg shells, 200 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
6 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 1.10lbs / 0.50kg shells, 1,500 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
6 raised mounts
4 - 0.30" / 7.7 mm 62.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2,000 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1909 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 3,093 lbs / 1,403 kg
1 - 19.7" / 500 mm, 19.69 ft / 6.00 m torpedo - 1.099 t total
In a deck mounted carriage/fixed tube
4 - 19.7" / 500 mm, 19.69 ft / 6.00 m torpedoes - 1.099 t each, 4.396 t total
In 4 sets of submerged side tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.91" / 150 mm 328.08 ft / 100.00 m 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
Ends: 1.97" / 50 mm 229.66 ft / 70.00 m 10.66 ft / 3.25 m
Upper: 2.95" / 75 mm 328.08 ft / 100.00 m 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
Main Belt covers 90 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7.87" / 200 mm 4.92" / 125 mm 4.92" / 125 mm
2nd: 2.95" / 75 mm - -
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
- Armoured deck - single deck: 1.97" / 50 mm For and Aft decks
Forecastle: 1.97" / 50 mm Quarter deck: 1.97" / 50 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 4.92" / 125 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 48,000 shp / 35,808 Kw = 26.81 kts
Range 6,250nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,687 tons
Complement:
549 - 714
Cost:
£0.925 million / $3.699 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 576 tons, 5.1 %
- Guns: 571 tons, 5.0 %
- Torpedoes: 5 tons, 0.0 %
Armour: 2,893 tons, 25.5 %
- Belts: 1,472 tons, 13.0 %
- Armament: 405 tons, 3.6 %
- Armour Deck: 962 tons, 8.5 %
- Conning Tower: 54 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 2,182 tons, 19.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,101 tons, 36.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,474 tons, 13.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 120 tons, 1.1 %
- Hull below water: 20 tons
- Hull above water: 25 tons
- On freeboard deck: 25 tons
- Above deck: 50 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
15,301 lbs / 6,940 Kg = 22.8 x 11.0 " / 280 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.24
Metacentric height 4.2 ft / 1.3 m
Roll period: 14.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.38
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.23
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.525 / 0.533
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.10 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.62 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 24.61 ft / 7.50 m, 18.86 ft / 5.75 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 16.90 ft / 5.15 m, 16.90 ft / 5.15 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 16.90 ft / 5.15 m, 16.90 ft / 5.15 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 16.90 ft / 5.15 m, 16.90 ft / 5.15 m
- Average freeboard: 17.75 ft / 5.41 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 87.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 153.4 %
Waterplane Area: 26,199 Square feet or 2,434 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 114 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 115 lbs/sq ft or 560 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.98
- Longitudinal: 1.29
- Overall: 1.01
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
With the outbreak of war it is being considered that the GK1909 may have to be pushed back a year or two, to allow making up of war losses first (and, perhaps, completion of Ersatz F.).
If this happens, one of the officers in the Admiralstab's Design Bureau has come up with this, as a possible alternative to simply "updating" the exsisting design.
GK11-240, German Armoured Cruiser laid down 1911 (Engine 1912)
Displacement:
12,996 t light; 13,741 t standard; 15,058 t normal; 16,111 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
563.46 ft / 557.74 ft x 75.46 ft x 23.85 ft (normal load)
171.74 m / 170.00 m x 23.00 m x 7.27 m
Armament:
6 - 9.45" / 240 mm guns (2x3 guns), 421.80lbs / 191.32kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 9.45" / 240 mm guns in single mounts, 421.80lbs / 191.32kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side ends, evenly spread
12 - 4.13" / 105 mm guns in single mounts, 35.32lbs / 16.02kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, all amidships
12 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
8 - 4.13" / 105 mm guns in single mounts, 35.32lbs / 16.02kg shells, 1911 Model
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
8 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.86lbs / 1.75kg shells, 1903 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 4,955 lbs / 2,248 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
2 - 19.7" / 500 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.91" / 150 mm 360.89 ft / 110.00 m 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
Ends: 3.15" / 80 mm 196.85 ft / 60.00 m 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
Upper: 3.15" / 80 mm 360.89 ft / 110.00 m 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 5.91" / 150 mm 3.94" / 100 mm 5.91" / 150 mm
2nd: 5.91" / 150 mm 3.94" / 100 mm 5.91" / 150 mm
3rd: 3.15" / 80 mm - -
4th: 1.97" / 50 mm - -
5th: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
- Armour deck: 1.97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 5.91" / 150 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 68,000 shp / 50,728 Kw = 27.94 kts
Range 8,750nm at 12.00 kts (Bunkerage = 2,370 tons)
Complement:
679 - 883
Cost:
£1.355 million / $5.419 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 619 tons, 4.1 %
Armour: 3,823 tons, 25.4 %
- Belts: 1,714 tons, 11.4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 986 tons, 6.5 %
- Armour Deck: 1,045 tons, 6.9 %
- Conning Tower: 78 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 2,711 tons, 18.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,488 tons, 36.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,061 tons, 13.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 355 tons, 2.4 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
15,925 lbs / 7,223 Kg = 37.8 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 3.9 ft / 1.2 m
Roll period: 16.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 66 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.46
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.04
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.525
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.39 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.62 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 63
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 27.89 ft / 8.50 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 25.43 ft / 7.75 m
- Mid (30 %): 23.79 ft / 7.25 m (15.58 ft / 4.75 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 15.58 ft / 4.75 m
- Stern: 15.58 ft / 4.75 m
- Average freeboard: 18.65 ft / 5.69 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 95.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 136.6 %
Waterplane Area: 28,694 Square feet or 2,666 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 130 lbs/sq ft or 637 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 1.47
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Barring unforseen circumstances, the design for GK09 has now been frozen.
SMS Moltke
SMS Goeben
GK09 (Anton), Brandenburgian Großer Kreuzer laid down 1909
Displacement:
9,994 t light; 10,444 t standard; 11,347 t normal; 12,068 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
562.99 ft / 557.74 ft x 68.90 ft x 19.69 ft (normal load)
171.60 m / 170.00 m x 21.00 m x 6.00 m
Armament:
6 - 9.45" / 240 mm guns (2x3 guns), 418.88lbs / 190.00kg shells, 1908 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
12 - 4.13" / 105 mm guns in single mounts, 35.27lbs / 16.00kg shells, 1905 Model
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
8 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.86lbs / 1.75kg shells, 1903 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
2 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.86lbs / 1.75kg shells, 1903 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
6 - 0.30" / 7.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.01lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1909 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 2,975 lbs / 1,350 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 130
1 - 19.7" / 500 mm above water torpedoes
2 - 19.7" / 500 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.91" / 150 mm 344.49 ft / 105.00 m 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
Ends: 1.97" / 50 mm 213.25 ft / 65.00 m 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
Upper: 1.97" / 50 mm 262.47 ft / 80.00 m 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
Main Belt covers 95 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7.87" / 200 mm 4.92" / 125 mm 5.91" / 150 mm
2nd: 1.97" / 50 mm - -
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
- Armour deck: 1.97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 3.15" / 80 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 48,000 shp / 35,808 Kw = 26.81 kts
Range 6,000nm at 12.00 kts (Bunkerage = 1,624 tons)
Complement:
549 - 714
Cost:
£0.969 million / $3.878 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 374 tons, 3.3 %
Armour: 2,854 tons, 25.2 %
- Belts: 1,373 tons, 12.1 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 493 tons, 4.3 %
- Armour Deck: 954 tons, 8.4 %
- Conning Tower: 34 tons, 0.3 %
Machinery: 2,182 tons, 19.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,229 tons, 37.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,353 tons, 11.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 355 tons, 3.1 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
13,344 lbs / 6,053 Kg = 31.6 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 1.9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.17
Metacentric height 3.8 ft / 1.2 m
Roll period: 14.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.37
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.11
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.525
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.10 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.62 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 63
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 22.47 ft / 6.85 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 17.55 ft / 5.35 m
- Mid (50 %): 15.09 ft / 4.60 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 15.09 ft / 4.60 m
- Stern: 15.09 ft / 4.60 m
- Average freeboard: 16.35 ft / 4.98 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 93.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 140.1 %
Waterplane Area: 26,199 Square feet or 2,434 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 114 lbs/sq ft or 555 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.98
- Longitudinal: 1.13
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
I suggest Rocky to redesign this ship to fit the drydocks.
QuoteBarring unforseen circumstances, the design for GK09 has now been frozen.
Orange's Furies, the rise of Italian and Maorian naval power, and the all-round BP increase constitute such unforeseen circumstances. The Moltke class have increased in size and capability, and are now rated as schlactkreuzers.
SK11, laid down 1911 (Engine 1912)
Displacement:
15,270 t light; 15,873 t standard; 16,999 t normal; 17,900 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
595.64 ft / 590.55 ft x 78.74 ft x 24.61 ft (normal load)
181.55 m / 180.00 m x 24.00 m x 7.50 m
Armament:
6 - 11.02" / 280 mm guns (3x2 guns), 669.80lbs / 303.82kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority aft, 1 raised mount aft - superfiring
16 - 4.13" / 105 mm guns in single mounts, 35.27lbs / 16.00kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
4 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.86lbs / 1.75kg shells, 1909 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
4 - 0.30" / 7.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.01lbs / 0.00kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 4,599 lbs / 2,086 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100
4 - 19.7" / 500 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 7.87" / 200 mm 344.49 ft / 105.00 m 11.81 ft / 3.60 m
Ends: 2.95" / 75 mm 246.03 ft / 74.99 m 11.81 ft / 3.60 m
Upper: 2.95" / 75 mm 360.89 ft / 110.00 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 90 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 9.45" / 240 mm 5.91" / 150 mm 9.45" / 240 mm
3rd: 1.97" / 50 mm - -
4th: 0.39" / 10 mm - -
- Armour deck: 2.56" / 65 mm, Conning tower: 9.45" / 240 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 72,000 shp / 53,712 Kw = 28.01 kts
Range 10,000nm at 10.00 kts (Bunkerage = 2,027 tons)
Complement:
743 - 967
Cost:
£1.419 million / $5.677 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 575 tons, 3.4 %
Armour: 4,851 tons, 28.5 %
- Belts: 2,089 tons, 12.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 1,134 tons, 6.7 %
- Armour Deck: 1,494 tons, 8.8 %
- Conning Tower: 135 tons, 0.8 %
Machinery: 2,871 tons, 16.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,535 tons, 38.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,730 tons, 10.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 438 tons, 2.6 %
-250 t: Fire Control
-50 t: Sehendes Auge
-25 t: Markoni
-25 t: Flag Accomodations
-25 t: VIP Accomodoations
-20 t: Torpedoes
-10 t: Climitasation
-33 t: Weight Reserve
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
21,382 lbs / 9,699 Kg = 31.9 x 11.0 " / 280 mm shells or 2.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.05
Metacentric height 3.8 ft / 1.2 m
Roll period: 16.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.57
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.21
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.520
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.50 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 24.30 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: -3.28 ft / -1.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 28.87 ft / 8.80 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 24.93 ft / 7.60 m
- Mid (55 %): 24.93 ft / 7.60 m (17.06 ft / 5.20 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 17.06 ft / 5.20 m
- Stern: 17.06 ft / 5.20 m
- Average freeboard: 21.71 ft / 6.62 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 86.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 172.3 %
Waterplane Area: 31,556 Square feet or 2,932 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 138 lbs/sq ft or 674 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.94
- Longitudinal: 1.61
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Quote from: The Rock Doctor on April 13, 2008, 02:47:40 PM
QuoteBarring unforseen circumstances, the design for GK09 has now been frozen.
Orange's Furies, the rise of Italian and Maorian naval power, and the all-round BP increase constitute such unforeseen circumstances. The Moltke class have increased in size and capability, and are now rated as schlactkreuzers.
SK11, laid down 1911 (Engine 1912)
A bit light on the firepower (for her size) for my taste.
But otherwise not a bad ship, definatly usefull for independent actions.
It was not the highest priority for the design, but I think it's adequate for the job of breaking cruisers.
Remember German thinking. Higher rate of fire with superior shells is greater than heavier, slower, inferior shells.
This ship is 50% larger than the previous design. For breaking cruisers imho you need more and smaller guns, or two more 11"s. Against the Maori fleet you need more Scharnhorsts, against the Italian fleet (with a lot of 8" cruisers) rather the 10,000t design. And there's the dock size issue.
BTW, what inferior shells? Irrelevant in N-verse context.
Ahoj!
Maybe 4x2x24cm?
Or cutting speed down to 27 knots and/or deck to 2 inches would alow for 4x2x11/12"?
Borys
Quote from: Borys on April 14, 2008, 04:59:55 AM
Ahoj!
Maybe 4x2x24cm?
Or cutting speed down to 27 knots and/or deck to 2 inches would alow for 4x2x11/12"?
Borys
I think that it would be a bad idea to reduce speed, firepower or deck armour. If anything were to be scrificed i would go for some of the seakeeping, lowering the freeboard a bit could allow for a forth turret to be fitted. Making her a tiny bit larger (16kton) would help as well.
See below (had a design from one of my own projects).
Quote from: Ithekro on April 13, 2008, 06:18:19 PM
Remember German thinking. Higher rate of fire with superior shells is greater than heavier, slower, inferior shells.
Hu? That makes no sense. If talking IRL, the ships with the higest ROF were the brittish ones (read: the battlecruisers), and everyone tried to make as good shells as possible.
Food for thought:
QuoteDesign 1042, Kingdom Trade protection sloop laid down 1912
Displacement:
15 650 t light; 16 375 t standard; 17 730 t normal; 18 814 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
623,36 ft / 623,36 ft x 75,46 ft x 25,59 ft (normal load)
190,00 m / 190,00 m x 23,00 m x 7,80 m
Armament:
8 - 11,02" / 280 mm guns (4x2 guns), 669,80lbs / 303,81kg shells, 1912 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, evenly spread, 1 raised mount
Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
16 - 4,13" / 105 mm guns in single mounts, 35,32lbs / 16,02kg shells, 1912 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, all amidships
Weight of broadside 5 924 lbs / 2 687 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 110
4 - 17,7" / 450 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 8,27" / 210 mm 360,89 ft / 110,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
Ends: 2,95" / 75 mm 262,47 ft / 80,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m
Upper: 2,95" / 75 mm 360,89 ft / 110,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m
Main Belt covers 89 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 9,84" / 250 mm 4,72" / 120 mm 8,27" / 210 mm
2nd: 1,77" / 45 mm - -
- Armour deck: 2,56" / 65 mm, Conning tower: 9,84" / 250 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 71 241 shp / 53 146 Kw = 28,00 kts
Range 8 000nm at 12,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2 440 tons
Complement:
767 - 998
Cost:
£1,567 million / $6,270 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 740 tons, 4,2 %
Armour: 5 256 tons, 29,6 %
- Belts: 2 433 tons, 13,7 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
- Armament: 1 174 tons, 6,6 %
- Armour Deck: 1 505 tons, 8,5 %
- Conning Tower: 144 tons, 0,8 %
Machinery: 2 841 tons, 16,0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6 468 tons, 36,5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 080 tons, 11,7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 345 tons, 1,9 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
20 043 lbs / 9 091 Kg = 29,9 x 11,0 " / 280 mm shells or 2,4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
Metacentric height 3,9 ft / 1,2 m
Roll period: 16,0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 55 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,54
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,05
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
Block coefficient: 0,516
Length to Beam Ratio: 8,26 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 24,97 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 52
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 21,33 ft / 6,50 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 19,69 ft / 6,00 m (18,04 ft / 5,50 m aft of break)
- Mid (50 %): 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Stern: 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Average freeboard: 17,44 ft / 5,32 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 86,0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 127,0 %
Waterplane Area: 31 790 Square feet or 2 953 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 138 lbs/sq ft or 674 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,98
- Longitudinal: 1,19
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Swampy's GK design was outclassed in all respects by the Orange CAs, the new Swiss CA Constellation, and incapable of defeating Maori midweights. I believe a 15,000 t design that can probably address all of these threats is a better investment than a 10,000 design that clearly can't.
The heavier guns, and the heavy deck armor, are borrowing from Dutch thinking in this case: Hit heavy, from a distance.
Dock size is an issue, and will be addressed over the coming years if I am continuing to catch-up DKB. DKB's hardly alone in this - anybody wanting a certain combination of speed and size will also have to scale-up their infrastructure to accommodate this.
My point cruiser skippers tell me that they think that either of the newer versions would be 'entirely too goddamned entertaining'.
Out of character, that's a compliment. ^_^
Their comments will warm Admiral Letters' heart!