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Greetings all,

The 1913 HY1 Expansion is kicking off a little later than planned.
I apologise for the slight delay.

As such, bids will be taken through 2400 GMT on June 2. 
Results will be worked out the evening of June 2.

This is what I have for current resources. I have relabled the columns on the right to clarify some matters.

I expect the Japanese-Sino war to either conclude with a Peace treaty, or have a fairly decisive battle and a Peace treaty, or a battle after which there will be considerable need to repair ships but no treaty.  In all cases the remaining months can be worked out later.  Future wars will go faster.

I will be posting maps in response to this this thread.

Please let me know any questions/comments/concerns.

Date :	Beginning HY1, 1913
							Colonial	Developed		Committed	Available		Maximum Units sent on Land assaults		Maximum Units sent on overseas assaults	Number of  Separate Amphibious Task Forces
Nation			Amphibious Tech	Land Units	Deployment Units		Provinces	Provinces		Deployment	Deployment
Northern Kingdom			1905	97	49		63	1		49	0		0		8	3
		Note: At the beginning of HY1, 1913, provinces without garrisons were reclaimed by their local inhabitants. The Northern Kingdom may revert to NPC status.
Imperial Roman Republic			1905	196	41		27	5		22	19		19		7	3
Vilnus Union			1905	174	80		73	5		68	12		12		13	3
		Note : "Montevideo#2 is completed, I took that to mean the 2nd IC in the Montevideo province, so the developed count is the same
Byzantine Empire			1905	157	27		18	0		18	9		9		5	3
		Note : The Byzantine Empire has not posted a 1912 HY2 turn.   HY2 builds are not available
Iberian Kingdom			1905	121	58		20	5		15	43		43		10	3
Empire of Japan			1905	67.5	30.5		5	1		4	26.5		26.5		5	3
		Note ; due to war, Japan has 2.5 Land and Deployment units captured/damaged and unavailable
		Note : due to the war, shipping for  infrastructure construction in Jakarta/Davao/Manila was suspended after $1. Depending on the Peace date this may change.
Parthian Empire			1905	151	74		73	6		67	7		7		12	3
4th Inca Empire			1905	41	20		4	0		4	16		16		3	3
Aztec			1905	?	12		5	0		5	7		7		3	3
		Note: this shall be the Aztec status until full set up.

Hmm, that table above didn't format very well at all.
...but it is functional.

This is the map from the other thread showing national holdings at the End of HY2, 1912.
I have corrected it for the feedback I got.

Edit : And I have edited it for the missing province...ironically a Parthian one.

I have added a pink line symbol for the Aztec and Inca, to show the difference between Homeland and adjacent Colonies.

(https://i.postimg.cc/m2LNvkn4/1912-End-HY2-N7-Final-National-Map-V3.png) (https://postimg.cc/qgF3nJ0D)

Revealed Resources Map :

Resource points are to be revealed 1 year after the province is claimed.
That is to give time for full exploration and prevent adding/dropping provinces en mass to look for things.

That means the 1910-H1 1911 claims are revealed on the End HY1 1912 Revealed Resources Map.

The End HY2 1912 map would reveal the colonial claims of HY2 1911.

That expansion phase is the one that did not happen.

I'm not sure what you're saying there.

But the table is fine at 75% zoom.

Quote from: The Rock Doctor on May 30, 2020, 11:48:45 AM
I'm not sure what you're saying there.

But the table is fine at 75% zoom.

It looks better in Excel.
It does show all the columns and rows, but the spacing is all funny.
Presentation thing.

It has the needed data.

Oh, yeah, the table's good, except that I can't invade half the planet anymore.

I meant your post about resource points wasn't clear.  Is it to say that we're skipping it over, or that it's a work ig progress, or...?

Quote from: The Rock Doctor on May 30, 2020, 11:56:49 AM
Oh, yeah, the table's good, except that I can't invade half the planet anymore.

I meant your post about resource points wasn't clear.  Is it to say that we're skipping it over, or that it's a work ig progress, or...?

The Resource points that would be displayed HY2  1912 would be those conquered HY2 1911.
There were no conquests in HY2 1911, so no new ones will be displayed for HY2 1912.

The HY1 1912 Conquests will reveal resource points at the end of HY1 1913.

Ah, now it sinks in, ok.

And now the End HY2 1912 Colonial Suitability Map.

Deleting the excess Norse holdings was less of pain than feared....once I remembered it.

As always, when you find things I mucked up, let me know.

...and now I can figure out what Parthia and the NPCs will be doing.

(https://i.postimg.cc/7YhwtMqy/1912-HY2-N7-Final-Colonial-Suitability-Map.png) (https://postimg.cc/0rTTbS6t)

Just making sure folks have seen this, the Architecture thread seems to be at the top.

A correction, the Inca have 8 provinces and only 12 deployment points available.

I have transmitted my latest set of awful, imperialist expansion orders.

Quote from: The Rock Doctor on June 01, 2020, 06:59:04 PM
I have transmitted my latest set of awful, imperialist expansion orders.

But..but, you are a peaceful Union, not some monstrous imperialist. 
I'm sure once the locals get out of your reeducation camps they will have learned to agree with that...

NOTIFICATION

As the Sino-Japanese war ended soon enough, the original Japanese colonization of Soerabaja-Java   and Makassar-Celebes were both able to proceed in the 2nd half of  HY2, 1912.

If any orders were put in claiming them, I will be contacting those players for a complete alternate.

We have several "Challenges" this expansion.
1) We started late and a little suddenly
2) Tac is not fully available.
3) Guinness is taking China, but a little late to participate in expansion.

I said I would work with folks.
This is when.


LATE CLAIMS.
Late claims will be allowed this HY with some restrictions :
Byzantium can put in up to 3 late Amphibious 1-province claims until 6/8/20, but may not contest a province.
With China becoming active, Guinness may put in up to 2 late claims when fully setup. All three may make late normal land expansions, but may not contest provinces with these.



Expansion Log :

Expansion Log :

Norse, Byzantium : No correspondence.   
Jeftge has sent me long term plans in the past...but I thought we had moved past those ? I will work with Byzantine so they "move" this turn.

Rome: Choosing no claims.


Parthia : 
Amphibious : 2/2
Soloman Islands : 1 land
Auckland, NZ : 1 land

Escorts : Bengali Squadron. 1912OOB. Squadron then goes to 1913 form.

Land : 3/3
Sao Paulo – 1 inland.
Sofala – 2 inland


China :
Land : None

Amphibious : 3/3
Cebu, Negros & Palawan, Philippine islands.
Escort : Southern Fleet, Haiko Cruiser Sqd.

NOTE: As I work with Guinness to get China turned into a PC, I may allow China 2 more amphibious (their max) in the second 3 months of 1913 HY1. These will be non-combat expansions only.

Laskmanavati :
Land : Expand South to Shark's bay, Aus.

Deccan Sultanates :
Amphibious : Expand to Cebu, Phillipines
Escort : 2 x 1907 PCs.

Rajasthan :
Land : Expand inland in Africa

Confederation of Five Nations :
Land : 5/3
Western Pennsylvania : 3 land units
Western New Yuck : 1 land unit
Southern New Jersey : 1 land unit.  Negotiations with Vilnus send this to Pennsylvania instead.

Maya : 1/1
Land : 1 unit to secure vast hinterland of South America...i.e. province south of them. 

Ethiopia: 1/1
Land : 1 land unit conquers south from Mozambique.

Vilnus :

Land
-1 land point overland to eastern Ohio. 
-1 land point overland to western New Jersey. (negotiations with 5 nations)

-1 land point overland to the remaining unclaimed province. 
-4 land points overland to take the two unoccupied provinces south of Santa Maria/Barranquila, and the two small, unoccupied provinces east of Lake Maracaibo. 
-1 land point, moving overland west along the coast from the westernmost point of the Nigerian holdings.
-1 land point overland, grabbing that province west of Montevideo
Amphibious
-1 land point via amphib to grab Paramaribo, Surinam,
Escort = AC, PC.

-1 land point via amphib to grab Belem, Brazil
Escort = AC, PC. 

-1 land point, amphib landing at Dakar   
Escort = AC, PC.   


Japan :
Land claims: 6/6

Vancouver: 1 unit moving north from Vancouver
Manila: 1 unit moving north, 1 unit moving south - 2 Provinces
Davao: 1 unit moving west - 1 Province (rest of Davao)
Jakarta: 2 units moving east and south - 2 Providences adjacent to Jakarta

Amphibious claims:
Cebu: 2 units, Cebu Escort Force: AC Izumo, SC Yodo x 4, TB Ikazuchi x 12*, ML Tokiwa x 2, Aux Kobayashi Maru x 2, Aux Uji x 4*

Sydney: 1 unit - 1 Province
Melbourne: 2 units , 1 unit moving west - 2 Provinces
Escorts : 2x Agano, restock at Port Moresby.

Inca :
The Inca are expanding to Manuas Brazil.
This is an early ocean going port in Brazil, allowing this to be a "Coastal Region".

Mod Decision. Maddox has done sufficient work to show Manaus is a ocean going riverport.  Allowing it is consistent with the final Coastal Region discussion.
His forces can reasonable reach through inland waterways from his Homeland – which has IC, but non-contiguous riverine expansion of full Land units and Deployment points was not envisioned.  However, I am going to map it as a seaborne expansion, under standard considerations.

Aztec :
Comment : Tac sent in his general desire for his expansion.

Land : 2 for 2 provinces
The Aztec expand NW along the Rio Grande
The Aztec expand NW along the Pacific Coast.

Amphibious : 3 for 3 provinces.
Wake Island,
Christchurch, NZ
Dunedin, NZ
Escort : 3x AC Tenochtitlan ( to Wake, 2 to NZ)

To reach New Zealand, the Aztec need to sail 6000+nm.  That requires refueling and resupply somewhere in Roman Polynesia, in ports that do not normally carry large stocks. Alternately they could sail 7000nm through Hawaii.  To reach Wake they need to sail 5200nm and resupply at the Kingdom of Hawaii. TacCovert is not available to arrange this with Snip or myself due to circumstances beyond his control.

Mod decision: I have indicated Parthia generally maintains it's ports as open in peace to non-combatants or small groups of combatants.  The Aztec fleet will appear and request permission for resupply.  Tac was also not able to specify where in New Zealand, just 2 ports there, so I put him far away from Parthia so there's no conflict that he's not around to resolve for a while.

This will cause some consternation among the Parthians as an extra demand on civil supplies, but the Parthian forces in Hawaii are sufficient that they could easily repulse this if an invasion.  The Parthians consult with the Kingdom of Hawaii about berthing and R&R rights, and permission is granted. After some extra weeks, sufficient stocks have been built up to allow the Aztec to continue.

Iberia

Land : 3/3
Durban: NW
Port Moresby: N, NW.

Amphibious 5/3

Convoy Guinea-Bissau2 Deployment and 2 land points to Dakar
Escort: Vizcaya CC Azores CC Bahamas CC Alvaro de Bazan BB

Convoy Suriname2 Deployment Point and 2 land points to Paramaribo
Escort: Tristan de Luna ACEstremadura CCEl Cid Campeador CC

Convoy Pacifico del Sud1 deployment point and 1 land point for Line Islands/Kirbati (transiting by way of Falklands).  Escort: Barcelona CC

Conflicts

Conflicts 1913 HY1 Expansion Phase.

Western New Jersey

Confederation of 5 Nations Rangers encounter Vilnus pioneers. 
Prior Vilnius concessions regarding their mutual border ensure encounter leads to talks.
Confederation agrees to withdraw from Western New Jersey and occupy

Paramaribo, Suriname
Vilnus arrives Day 6
Iberia arrives Day 8

Vilnus:
1100nm 6 days.
1 land+deployment point
Escort : 1x AC, 1x PC.

Iberia:

1500nm 8 days
Convoy Suriname2 Deployment Point and 2 land points to Paramaribo
Escort: Tristan de Luna AC Estremadura CC El Cid Campeador CC

Dakar, Africa
Iberia arrives Day 6.
Vilnus arrives Day 13

Iberia : 1100nm
Convoy Guinea-Bissau2 Deployment and 2 land points to Dakar
Escort: Vizcaya CC Azores CC Bahamas CC Alvaro de Bazan BB

Vilnus : 2500nm
-1 land point, amphib landing at Dakar because why not.  Escort = AC, PC.  There may be opposition.

Cebu, Philippines.
The Chinese arrive first, on day 6. 1 land unit. They are escorted by the Southern Fleet. 2x 1897 BB, 1x 1899 AC, 2x 1902 PC, 8x 1903 DD, 1x ML, 1x MS. 

The Japanese arrive second on day 8, 2 land units. They are escorted by Cebu Escort Force: AC Izumo, SC Yodo x 4, TB Ikazuchi x 12*, ML Tokiwa x 2, Aux Kobayashi Maru x 2, Aux Uji x 4*

The Deccan Sultanates arrive on day 17, 1 land unit, they are escorted by 2x 1907 PCs... they do not contest with the others.

The map :
(https://i.postimg.cc/NMp59fpR/1913-HY1-Claims-Map.png) (https://postimg.cc/BLPqRsWv)

QuoteCebu, Philippines.
The Chinese arrive first, on day 6. 1 land unit. They are escorted by the Southern Fleet. 2x 1897 BB, 1x 1899 AC, 2x 1902 PC, 8x 1903 DD, 1x ML, 1x MS.

The Japanese arrive second on day 8, 2 land units. They are escorted by Cebu Escort Force: AC Izumo, SC Yodo x 4, TB Ikazuchi x 12*, ML Tokiwa x 2, Aux Kobayashi Maru x 2, Aux Uji x 4*

Oh c'mon... Updated orders coming up.

QuoteNOTE: As I work with Guinness to get China turned into a PC, I may allow China 2 more amphibious (their max) in the second 3 months of 1913 HY1. These will be non-combat expansions only.

China can do 5 Amphibious assaults per turn?

Indonesia and the Philippines are such a hot mess.

And thanks for doing this, Kirk, as I can see it's a fair bit of work.

Quote from: Desertfox on June 03, 2020, 12:38:51 AM

QuoteCebu, Philippines.
The Chinese arrive first, on day 6. 1 land unit. They are escorted by the Southern Fleet. 2x 1897 BB, 1x 1899 AC, 2x 1902 PC, 8x 1903 DD, 1x ML, 1x MS.

The Japanese arrive second on day 8, 2 land units. They are escorted by Cebu Escort Force: AC Izumo, SC Yodo x 4, TB Ikazuchi x 12*, ML Tokiwa x 2, Aux Kobayashi Maru x 2, Aux Uji x 4*

Oh c'mon... Updated orders coming up.

QuoteNOTE: As I work with Guinness to get China turned into a PC, I may allow China 2 more amphibious (their max) in the second 3 months of 1913 HY1. These will be non-combat expansions only.

China can do 5 Amphibious assaults per turn?

Ahh- I misspoke.
I did a setup for China prior to the War. They have the deployment points to move 5 units, but have the same 3 assault limit. They can however expand on land
Guinness will get to look over what I did and decide if he wants to keep that, or start his NPC from scratch.

Interesting to see New Zealand now being picked apart.  I had actually contemplated coloring it all green in 2/12, but re-directed that activity to Africa instead.

Poor unloved Angola.

Indonesia outside of Borneo is not too bad yet, Australia on the other hand has 5 different countries on it now.

I would show Angola some love, but its just so so far away.

I'm really starting to wonder about the defensability of my Australian possession.

It seems the Heavenly Kingdom is consistently one step ahead of the Shogun. Maybe he should consider cutting his losses? :-)

Geography is terrible mistress...

Quote from: snip on June 03, 2020, 10:23:58 AM
I'm really starting to wonder about the defensability of my Australian possession.

I had concerns about my own ability to project power into the Pacific, which partially explains why you now own Polynesia.

Quote from: Guinness on June 03, 2020, 10:29:44 AM
It seems the Heavenly Kingdom is consistently one step ahead of the Shogun. Maybe he should consider cutting his losses? :-)

It's a matter of sailing distance and meant to encourage folks to claim a spot, build it up, then expand from there.

After discussions with Jeftge, a point of confusion has been resolved.
This confusion dates back to the Colony Expansion change and maps.

Jeftge did not expand last turn via water, just overland.
Jefgte did indeed send me a list of future targets, but without dates or escorts.  Some of which are now taken.

That's on me.  I remember there being an issue and I should have followed up and helped Byzantine with the HY2 1912 Expansion.
Had I done so, I think Jefgte would have occupied some of the territories on his list.

MOD Call So I am going to award Byzantine the Solomons and Norfolk Island for HY2 1912 expansion. 

That means Parthia did not take the Solomons this turn, but rather a second province of New Zealand.

For 1913 HY1, I did engage directly, and so we have 3 targets for Byzantine :

Brisbane, Australia
Salvador, Brazil
Walvis Bay, Namibia.

I'm going to fail from time to time, I will try to fix things.

New neighbours!

Australia and New Zealand getting crowded fast... I was eyeing Walvis Bay but its just so so far away.

Is the port symbol in NE Australia misplaced? It should be Brisbane right?

Quote from: Desertfox on June 03, 2020, 07:08:59 PM
Australia and New Zealand getting crowded fast... I was eyeing Walvis Bay but its just so so far away.

Is the port symbol in NE Australia misplaced? It should be Brisbane right?

It may be misplaced, though it's the same province as Brisbane.

I was trying to check for natural anchorages that could be used with minimal work.
If there was more than one in a province, I showed one Port Symbol. 

So there may be a port that can used without development there, and Brisbane is a better port WITH development...
Or I could have stuck Brisbane 1 bay North.

I don't recall.

Conflict Resolution
As for Japan at Cebu :
They have 2 units, 1 amphibious attack.
They backtrack to Leyte and Samar, which are close enough to be 1 attack, and invade both.

Iberia and Wilno
Last post I saw they were talking.
Now we'll just see if their offers wind up being airmailed, stapled to the nose of large caliber shells.

Deccan Sultanates.
Arriving at Cebu they find the hopes of settlement dashed. Their goal is to protect the merchants at the far end of their trade routes.
They look for a decent harbor nearby.
North Sulawesi is pushing the radius I would normally consider allowing relocating, but they are both subtropical island ports. The goods and training one would need to make one bloom should work at the other, and it's in fuel range.

Current state of the Claims Map  showing the Byzantine, Deccan and Japanese moves.

(https://i.postimg.cc/SQgPSYNL/1913-HY1-Claims-Map.png) (https://postimg.cc/z3R7pBh3)

More a question for the next 2/13 expansion - can I, or the Confederation of the Five Nations, stage amphibious operations across the Great Lakes?

Quote from: The Rock Doctor on June 06, 2020, 08:25:58 PM
More a question for the next 2/13 expansion - can I, or the Confederation of the Five Nations, stage amphibious operations across the Great Lakes?

No.
You would need to build a fleet of lake freighters, or a canal to the lake first.

Didn't think so, but thanks for the clarification.

If they had an IC built on a province bordering the lakes, could they build a lake specific deployment unit?

Quote from: Desertfox on June 07, 2020, 09:44:15 PM
If they had an IC built on a province bordering the lakes, could they build a lake specific deployment unit?

Great Lakes Gunboats and Destroyers ripping back and forth in the most insane close-quarters fighting on earth.

Not that big a difference to the Black Sea actions in WW I.

Quote from: Desertfox on June 07, 2020, 09:44:15 PM
If they had an IC built on a province bordering the lakes, could they build a lake specific deployment unit?

Um...

If there was the St. Lawrence Seaway, there would be no need.

But... for this question....
Yeah I think I'd allow that. I will have to think on it more.

Deployment points are not supposed to be tied to a particular transport mode or region,
but logic says the troops, thousands of tons of supplies, and what not can't seamlessly go from ocean to rail to lake.

So the lake - or upper Amazon River, etc. Might be special cases requiring flexibility.

The question was mainly to determine whether the Confederation of Five Nations could leapfrog Lake Erie or if it would need to stick to overland routes to continue expanding west.  I don't personally need or want the capability.

FYI for other players:  Darman and I are working with Kirk to detail some fisticuffs related to our territorial conflicts.  I will hope to post some pre-fisticuff news on this matter in the next day or two.

Quote from: The Rock Doctor on June 12, 2020, 08:49:01 AM
The question was mainly to determine whether the Confederation of Five Nations could leapfrog Lake Erie or if it would need to stick to overland routes to continue expanding west.  I don't personally need or want the capability.

They will need to expand around the shores.

OOOOH.....fun fun.

Sounds like we will have something interesting.  The Aztecs will look on with great interest.....we do still have a bit of the battle-worship thing hanging around...

I just want to see someone else's ships get wrecked for a change!

Quote from: Desertfox on June 12, 2020, 07:50:30 PM
I just want to see someone else's ships get wrecked for a change!

Just finished the battle.
Your wish is granted :)

Now we talking! Go sink some more!

Suriname should be interesting, it would be two modern ACs going up against each other.

Quote from: Desertfox on June 12, 2020, 08:54:16 PM
Now we talking! Go sink some more!

Suriname should be interesting, it would be two modern ACs going up against each other.

Sorry, it was a mismatch between a very old predread and a modern armored/battle cruiser.
There's some predreads that would stand a chance, but this was not really one of them.

I'll try to finish up the news and my turn report this weekend.  Between gardening, bringing in two pups, and being acting boss at work, I've been kind of ground down the last couple of weeks.

Quote...Between gardening, bringing in two pups, and being acting boss at work, I've been kind of ground down the last couple of weeks.

Yeah but you're tough like a rock ... Doctor.

;)

Quote from: The Rock Doctor on June 26, 2020, 08:26:33 AM
I'll try to finish up the news and my turn report this weekend.  Between gardening, bringing in two pups, and being acting boss at work, I've been kind of ground down the last couple of weeks.

I am starting to eye the calendar for the next expansion, you have some time,

and I would much rather make a minor adjustment to accommodate a player, than leave folks behind.

Hmm, apparently it's a week later on the calendar than I was thinking.
So I need to start worrying about Expansion July 3-5.
..I'll put map updates in my plans..

I may be out of town that weekend, what's the earliest I could send my plans in? Or what would be the alternative?

Oh sweet, I need to start figuring up how much expansion I want to engage in next turn already!

Quote from: Desertfox on June 26, 2020, 02:48:58 PM
I may be out of town that weekend, what's the earliest I could send my plans in? Or what would be the alternative?

The overlap with a major US holiday may be a complicating factor for the several players and myself in the US.
This may be a case where a 1 week delay is justified.

Everyone's thoughts on that?

No problemo for me. 

I just met a writers block...  so a week to chew on it can't hurt.

I still have adjustments to make on the SS...

;)