I'm sure engine years and gun calibres will need tweaking.
Anywho:
The oldest "modern" capital ships in Ottoman service are German-built variants of the Siegfried-class coastal defence battleships. By 1900, these have been relegated to station duty in more remote bases and auxiliary functions at home.
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1885
Displacement:
3,797 t light; 3,945 t standard; 4,480 t normal; 4,907 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(260.50 ft / 250.66 ft) x 48.88 ft x (19.69 / 21.28 ft)
(79.40 m / 76.40 m) x 14.90 m x (6.00 / 6.49 m)
Armament:
3 - 9.45" / 240 mm 35.0 cal guns - 380.38lbs / 172.54kg shells, 68 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1885 Model
2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck centre
6 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm 30.0 cal guns - 18.43lbs / 8.36kg shells, 250 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1885 Model
6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 1,252 lbs / 568 kg
Main Torpedoes
2 - 13.8" / 350 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.202 t each, 0.404 t total
In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes
2nd Torpedoes
2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.347 t each, 0.695 t total
In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 9.45" / 240 mm 137.86 ft / 42.02 m 8.40 ft / 2.56 m
Ends: 7.09" / 180 mm 112.76 ft / 34.37 m 8.40 ft / 2.56 m
Main Belt covers 85 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7.87" / 200 mm 3.94" / 100 mm 7.87" / 200 mm
2nd: 0.98" / 25 mm - -
- Protected deck - single deck:
For and Aft decks: 1.18" / 30 mm
Forecastle: 1.18" / 30 mm Quarter deck: 1.18" / 30 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 7.09" / 180 mm, Aft 1.97" / 50 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 3,351 ihp / 2,500 Kw = 14.17 kts
Range 4,500nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 962 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
273 - 355
Cost:
£0.311 million / $1.243 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 263 tons, 5.9 %
- Guns: 260 tons, 5.8 %
- Weapons: 2 tons, 0.0 %
Armour: 1,407 tons, 31.4 %
- Belts: 772 tons, 17.2 %
- Armament: 375 tons, 8.4 %
- Armour Deck: 207 tons, 4.6 %
- Conning Towers: 53 tons, 1.2 %
Machinery: 651 tons, 14.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,355 tons, 30.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 682 tons, 15.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 121 tons, 2.7 %
- Hull above water: 121 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
6,675 lbs / 3,028 Kg = 17.1 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 10.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.27
Metacentric height 2.6 ft / 0.8 m
Roll period: 12.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.58
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.650 / 0.659
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.13 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 15.83 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 35
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -15.00 degrees
Stern overhang: -3.28 ft / -1.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 30.00 %, 19.69 ft / 6.00 m, 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 19.69 ft / 6.00 m, 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Aft deck: 25.00 %, 11.81 ft / 3.60 m, 11.81 ft / 3.60 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 11.81 ft / 3.60 m, 11.81 ft / 3.60 m
- Average freeboard: 16.54 ft / 5.04 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 68.5 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 100.5 %
Waterplane Area: 9,387 Square feet or 872 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 123 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 99 lbs/sq ft or 484 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.85
- Longitudinal: 4.03
- Overall: 1.00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Adequate accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
In due course, the Ottomans - like the Germans - figured that the CDS ships weren't really up to spec. When the Germans ordered the Brandenburg class, the Ottomans paid attention and ordered some (slightly modified) versions for themselves. The first was built in Germany, the second and third at Constantinople with German assistance. These probably took a year or two extra to complete.
One of the ships was subsequently lost in an explosion, and I won't be counting that in my starting allowance.
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1891 (Engine 1890)
Displacement:
10,024 t light; 10,410 t standard; 11,207 t normal; 11,845 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(389.44 ft / 379.59 ft) x 65.62 ft x (26.25 / 27.47 ft)
(118.70 m / 115.70 m) x 20.00 m x (8.00 / 8.37 m)
Armament:
4 - 11.02" / 280 mm 40.0 cal guns - 641.94lbs / 291.18kg shells, 60 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1891 Model
2 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
2 - 11.02" / 280 mm 35.0 cal guns - 628.04lbs / 284.87kg shells, 60 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mount, 1891 Model
1 x Twin mount on centreline, aft deck centre
8 - 4.13" / 105 mm 40.0 cal guns - 33.85lbs / 15.36kg shells, 90 per gun
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1891 Model
8 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
8 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm 30.0 cal guns - 19.17lbs / 8.69kg shells, 250 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1891 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, aft evenly spread
4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
Weight of broadside 4,248 lbs / 1,927 kg
Main Torpedoes
4 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.521 t each, 2.085 t total
In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes
2nd Torpedoes
2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.521 t each, 1.042 t total
submerged bow tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 15.7" / 400 mm 208.76 ft / 63.63 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
Ends: 11.8" / 300 mm 170.80 ft / 52.06 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
Upper: 4.72" / 120 mm 49.21 ft / 15.00 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 85 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 11.8" / 300 mm 3.94" / 100 mm 11.8" / 300 mm
2nd: 11.8" / 300 mm 3.94" / 100 mm 11.8" / 300 mm
3rd: 1.97" / 50 mm - 1.97" / 50 mm
- Protected deck - single deck:
For and Aft decks: 2.36" / 60 mm
Forecastle: 1.18" / 30 mm Quarter deck: 1.18" / 30 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 11.81" / 300 mm, Aft 1.97" / 50 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 3 shafts, 10,054 ihp / 7,500 Kw = 17.17 kts
Range 4,500nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,435 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
543 - 707
Cost:
£0.933 million / $3.730 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 658 tons, 5.9 %
- Guns: 652 tons, 5.8 %
- Weapons: 6 tons, 0.1 %
Armour: 3,620 tons, 32.3 %
- Belts: 1,975 tons, 17.6 %
- Armament: 798 tons, 7.1 %
- Armour Deck: 698 tons, 6.2 %
- Conning Towers: 149 tons, 1.3 %
Machinery: 1,862 tons, 16.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,602 tons, 32.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,183 tons, 10.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 282 tons, 2.5 %
- Hull above water: 282 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
13,047 lbs / 5,918 Kg = 19.5 x 11.0 " / 280 mm shells or 4.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.23
Metacentric height 3.9 ft / 1.2 m
Roll period: 14.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.62
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.65
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.606
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.79 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19.48 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 43
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -15.00 degrees
Stern overhang: -6.56 ft / -2.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 30.00 %, 19.69 ft / 6.00 m, 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 19.69 ft / 6.00 m, 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Aft deck: 25.00 %, 11.81 ft / 3.60 m, 11.81 ft / 3.60 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 11.81 ft / 3.60 m, 11.81 ft / 3.60 m
- Average freeboard: 16.54 ft / 5.04 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 82.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 101.5 %
Waterplane Area: 18,217 Square feet or 1,692 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 138 lbs/sq ft or 676 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.90
- Longitudinal: 2.56
- Overall: 1.00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Adequate accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Per the gun table here (http://www.navalism.org/index.php/topic,6422.msg83932.html#msg83932), those 280mm should remain 35 caliber weapons. If they are meant to be direct copies of the historical 28 cm MRK L/40 (http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_11-40_skc90.htm), as permissible under the historical guns clause AFAIK, then they should have the historical shell weight.
And then the butterflies flap.
Figuring that the Battle of the Yalu doesn't happen as historical, the Ottomans (maybe the Germans, too) don't get really excited about intermediate-caliber rapid-fire guns. So when the time comes for new battleships, they don't that the German approach of putting 24cm guns as the main caliber.
Instead, they basically stretch their previous class. This provides space for a uniform main battery, and incremental improvements in most other respects.
All three are built locally, using some imported components (guns, range finders, etc). I'd wager the third is still building in 1900, and the second might be just finishing as well.
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1897 (Engine 1895)
Displacement:
12,006 t light; 12,633 t standard; 13,544 t normal; 14,272 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(429.79 ft / 429.79 ft) x 75.46 ft x (26.57 / 27.70 ft)
(131.00 m / 131.00 m) x 23.00 m x (8.10 / 8.44 m)
Armament:
6 - 11.02" / 280 mm 40.0 cal guns - 641.94lbs / 291.18kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1897 Model
3 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
12 - 5.91" / 150 mm 40.0 cal guns - 98.69lbs / 44.77kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1897 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
16 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 19.93lbs / 9.04kg shells, 250 per gun
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1897 Model
16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
14 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 5,355 lbs / 2,429 kg
Main Torpedoes
4 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.470 t each, 1.881 t total
submerged side tubes
2nd Torpedoes
1 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedo - 0.470 t total
submerged bow tube
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13.8" / 350 mm 239.67 ft / 73.05 m 10.43 ft / 3.18 m
Ends: 1.97" / 50 mm 190.09 ft / 57.94 m 10.43 ft / 3.18 m
Upper: 3.94" / 100 mm 239.67 ft / 73.05 m 16.01 ft / 4.88 m
Main Belt covers 86 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 11.8" / 300 mm 3.94" / 100 mm 11.8" / 300 mm
2nd: 1.97" / 50 mm - 1.97" / 50 mm
3rd: 1.18" / 30 mm - 1.18" / 30 mm
- Protected deck - single deck:
For and Aft decks: 2.36" / 60 mm
Forecastle: 1.18" / 30 mm Quarter deck: 1.18" / 30 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 9.84" / 250 mm, Aft 1.97" / 50 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 3 shafts, 13,405 ihp / 10,000 Kw = 18.19 kts
Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,638 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
627 - 816
Cost:
£1.122 million / $4.487 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 836 tons, 6.2 %
- Guns: 831 tons, 6.1 %
- Weapons: 5 tons, 0.0 %
Armour: 4,447 tons, 32.8 %
- Belts: 2,430 tons, 17.9 %
- Armament: 1,007 tons, 7.4 %
- Armour Deck: 866 tons, 6.4 %
- Conning Towers: 145 tons, 1.1 %
Machinery: 2,272 tons, 16.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,119 tons, 30.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,538 tons, 11.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 331 tons, 2.4 %
- Hull above water: 331 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
17,038 lbs / 7,728 Kg = 25.4 x 11.0 " / 280 mm shells or 6.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.36
Metacentric height 5.7 ft / 1.7 m
Roll period: 13.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 69 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.45
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.93
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.550 / 0.556
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.70 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 20.73 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 36
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: -6.56 ft / -2.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 30.00 %, 21.00 ft / 6.40 m, 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 21.00 ft / 6.40 m, 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Aft deck: 25.00 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Average freeboard: 17.85 ft / 5.44 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 119.8 %
Waterplane Area: 22,634 Square feet or 2,103 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 134 lbs/sq ft or 653 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.90
- Longitudinal: 2.43
- Overall: 1.00
Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Adequate accommodation and workspace room
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Quote from: snip on April 15, 2014, 11:23:23 AM
Per the gun table here (http://www.navalism.org/index.php/topic,6422.msg83932.html#msg83932), those 280mm should remain 35 caliber weapons. If they are meant to be direct copies of the historical 28 cm MRK L/40 (http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_11-40_skc90.htm), as permissible under the historical guns clause AFAIK, then they should have the historical shell weight.
They are indeed meant to be historical, so I guess I'll tweak the shell weights when I do the next round of sims.
Two technical notes.
1) The 1897 battleships need to have 1890 engines. If you move the laydown date up to 1898, they can have 1900 engines. We are going with 3 years after listed date for implementation of techs that happen between 1890 and 1899. Given how you have stated the ships will/could be under construction at sim start, the latter might be a better solution.
2) We are still going to account for torpedoes in Misc weight as SS3 sometimes does not count the weights listed under its torp loadouts. It looks as if all these designs have the necessary weight, so moving the requisite tonnage below the waterline should not cause much, if any change.
1) Okay, I'll bump them to 1898. No problem with that. Probably means #1 is finished, #2 is launched, and #3 would be laid down in 1900.
2) Easily enough fixed, thanks.
Starting to build the smaller units of the navy. I'm finding that my "modern" fleet costs almost $5 in upkeep, or around 20% of the Ottoman budget, yet I've only spent 202 of 240 BP allocated for fleet purposes. I have a suspicion I may end up allocating the remaining 38 BP to older stuff - sailing ships, armored frigates, etc., all of which would be in reserve.
Fleet make-up kind of looks like this:
3 BB @ 11,871 t L
3 BB @ 9,997 t L
6 CB @ 3,797 t L
3 AC @ 8,243 t L
7 PC @ 2,780 t L
12 PC @ 2,136 t L
20 TB @ 500 t L
36 TB @ 200 t L
10 GB @ 600 t L
8 River gunboats @ 500 t L
14 River gunboats @ 250 t L
46 Patrol/customs boats @ 50 t L
6 transports (civ spec) @ 2,000 t L
8 transports (civ spec) @ 4,000 t L
14 tugs (civ spec) @ 400 t L
6 colliers (civ spec) @ 4,000 t L
4 survey ships (civ spec) @ 1,000 t L
1 hospital ship (civ spec) @ 4,000 t L
1 royal yacht (civ spec) @ 2,000 t L
3 large shore battery @ 1 BP each
2 medium shore battery @ 0.5 BP each
18 small shore battery @ 0.1 BP each
The older batch of protected cruisers, mostly built in Germany.
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1891 (Engine 1890)
Displacement:
2,136 t light; 2,224 t standard; 2,509 t normal; 2,736 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(282.15 ft / 278.87 ft) x 42.65 ft x (14.76 / 15.77 ft)
(86.00 m / 85.00 m) x 13.00 m x (4.50 / 4.81 m)
Armament:
8 - 4.13" / 105 mm 35.0 cal guns - 40.12lbs / 18.20kg shells, 200 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1891 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm 35.0 cal guns - 1.45lbs / 0.66kg shells, 500 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1891 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 327 lbs / 148 kg
Main Torpedoes
2 - 13.8" / 350 mm, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.208 t each, 0.416 t total
In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes
Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.97" / 50 mm 0.79" / 20 mm -
2nd: 0.79" / 20 mm 0.39" / 10 mm -
- Protected deck - single deck:
For and Aft decks: 1.97" / 50 mm
Forecastle: 0.98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 1.97" / 50 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 3.94" / 100 mm, Aft 3.94" / 100 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 4,021 ihp / 3,000 Kw = 16.94 kts
Range 4,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 512 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
176 - 230
Cost:
£0.194 million / $0.777 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 34 tons, 1.3 %
- Guns: 33 tons, 1.3 %
- Weapons: 1 tons, 0.0 %
Armour: 367 tons, 14.6 %
- Armament: 58 tons, 2.3 %
- Armour Deck: 278 tons, 11.1 %
- Conning Towers: 31 tons, 1.2 %
Machinery: 781 tons, 31.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 855 tons, 34.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 372 tons, 14.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 4.0 %
- Hull above water: 50 tons
- On freeboard deck: 50 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
3,257 lbs / 1,477 Kg = 92.2 x 4.1 " / 105 mm shells or 5.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.53
Metacentric height 2.9 ft / 0.9 m
Roll period: 10.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.12
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.500 / 0.511
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.54 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 16.70 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 35
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Average freeboard: 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 108.5 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 140.2 %
Waterplane Area: 7,925 Square feet or 736 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 118 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 62 lbs/sq ft or 305 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.86
- Longitudinal: 3.94
- Overall: 1.00
Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
The newer batch of protected cruisers, probably all built at home. One or two may still be underway as the sim starts.
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1898 (Engine 1900)
Displacement:
2,780 t light; 2,887 t standard; 3,168 t normal; 3,392 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(347.77 ft / 344.49 ft) x 42.65 ft x (15.09 / 15.89 ft)
(106.00 m / 105.00 m) x 13.00 m x (4.60 / 4.84 m)
Armament:
10 - 4.13" / 105 mm 40.0 cal guns - 38.36lbs / 17.40kg shells, 200 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm 35.0 cal guns - 1.45lbs / 0.66kg shells, 500 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 389 lbs / 177 kg
Main Torpedoes
2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.540 t each, 1.079 t total
In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes
Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.97" / 50 mm 0.79" / 20 mm -
2nd: 0.79" / 20 mm 0.39" / 10 mm -
- Protected deck - single deck:
For and Aft decks: 0.98" / 25 mm
Forecastle: 0.98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 0.98" / 25 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 3.94" / 100 mm, Aft 3.94" / 100 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8,043 ihp / 6,000 Kw = 19.97 kts
Range 4,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 505 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
210 - 274
Cost:
£0.288 million / $1.152 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 49 tons, 1.6 %
- Guns: 48 tons, 1.5 %
- Weapons: 1 tons, 0.0 %
Armour: 274 tons, 8.7 %
- Armament: 58 tons, 1.8 %
- Armour Deck: 180 tons, 5.7 %
- Conning Towers: 37 tons, 1.2 %
Machinery: 1,257 tons, 39.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,029 tons, 32.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 388 tons, 12.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 170 tons, 5.4 %
- Hull above water: 100 tons
- On freeboard deck: 70 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
2,495 lbs / 1,132 Kg = 70.6 x 4.1 " / 105 mm shells or 1.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.49
Metacentric height 2.8 ft / 0.8 m
Roll period: 10.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.14
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.500 / 0.508
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.08 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 18.56 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 35
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Average freeboard: 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 137.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 144.9 %
Waterplane Area: 9,789 Square feet or 909 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 61 lbs/sq ft or 297 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.89
- Longitudinal: 2.72
- Overall: 1.00
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Old batch of torpedo-boats. These will be found on "colonial" stations for the most part.
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1894 (Engine 1890)
Displacement:
200 t light; 205 t standard; 222 t normal; 236 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(178.81 ft / 175.52 ft) x 16.08 ft x (6.56 / 6.84 ft)
(54.50 m / 53.50 m) x 4.90 m x (2.00 / 2.09 m)
Armament:
2 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 1.56lbs / 0.71kg shells, 250 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1894 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 3 lbs / 1 kg
Main Torpedoes
2 - 13.8" / 350 mm, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m torpedoes - 0.263 t each, 0.527 t total
In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes
Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.39" / 10 mm - -
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 2,011 ihp / 1,500 Kw = 20.31 kts
Range 1,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 32 tons (100% coal)
Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery
Complement:
28 - 37
Cost:
£0.025 million / $0.100 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1 tons, 0.7 %
- Guns: 1 tons, 0.4 %
- Weapons: 1 tons, 0.3 %
Armour: 2 tons, 0.9 %
- Armament: 2 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 128 tons, 57.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 62 tons, 27.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 23 tons, 10.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 7 tons, 3.2 %
- On freeboard deck: 7 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
65 lbs / 29 Kg = 41.8 x 1.5 " / 37 mm shells or 0.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.45
Metacentric height 0.6 ft / 0.2 m
Roll period: 8.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 69 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.03
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.92
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.420 / 0.428
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.92 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 13.25 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 36
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 8.20 ft / 2.50 m, 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 8.20 ft / 2.50 m, 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 8.20 ft / 2.50 m, 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 8.20 ft / 2.50 m, 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
- Average freeboard: 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 186.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 96.3 %
Waterplane Area: 1,759 Square feet or 163 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 28 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 15 lbs/sq ft or 73 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 2.65
- Overall: 0.59
Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Adequate accommodation and workspace room
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
The newer torpedo-boats are bigger, faster, badder. These ones tend to hang out with the fleet.
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1898 (Engine 1900)
Displacement:
491 t light; 509 t standard; 565 t normal; 609 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(226.38 ft / 223.10 ft) x 21.65 ft x (9.51 / 10.03 ft)
(69.00 m / 68.00 m) x 6.60 m x (2.90 / 3.06 m)
Armament:
1 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm 40.0 cal gun - 19.93lbs / 9.04kg shells, 250 per gun
Quick firing gun in deck mount, 1898 Model
1 x Single mount on centreline amidships (aft deck)
2 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 3.66lbs / 1.66kg shells, 1,000 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 15,000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
Weight of broadside 27 lbs / 12 kg
Main Torpedoes
2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.470 t each, 0.941 t total
In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes
Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.39" / 10 mm - -
2nd: 0.39" / 10 mm - -
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8,042 ihp / 6,000 Kw = 25.24 kts
Range 2,200nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 100 tons (100% coal)
Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery
Complement:
57 - 75
Cost:
£0.065 million / $0.261 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 6 tons, 1.0 %
- Guns: 5 tons, 0.8 %
- Weapons: 1 tons, 0.2 %
Armour: 3 tons, 0.5 %
- Armament: 3 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 334 tons, 59.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 129 tons, 22.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 74 tons, 13.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 19 tons, 3.4 %
- On freeboard deck: 19 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
128 lbs / 58 Kg = 6.2 x 3.5 " / 88 mm shells or 0.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.41
Metacentric height 0.9 ft / 0.3 m
Roll period: 9.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.08
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.22
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.430 / 0.440
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.30 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 14.94 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 10.00 %, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Forward deck: 20.00 %, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Aft deck: 55.00 %, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Average freeboard: 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 193.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 98.2 %
Waterplane Area: 3,034 Square feet or 282 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 22 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 20 lbs/sq ft or 99 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 2.07
- Overall: 0.57
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Adequate accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
491 tonnes Light is indeed a big bad destroyer for pre-1900. HMS Havock was only commissioned in 1894 and weighed in at 240t light. The Brits OTL didn't build em that big until the Rivers, completed in 1905. The Germans didn't build them that big until 1905 or 1906 (sorry I can't be more precise, I don't have a better source for German boats than Wikipedia in front of me right now).
You're not wrong. I was having considerable difficulty successfully simming a smaller type, but think I'm on track for that now.
Still - this guy has the same dimensions as the German Type 1898 boat, right down to the deep draft. But even with a BC of just 0.40, the actual displacement is much higher. Not really sure what, if anything, I can do about that.
But this ain't bad, and the "trials speed" is probably up around the historical class' 27 kts.
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1898 (Engine 1900)
Displacement:
411 t light; 423 t standard; 469 t normal; 505 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(208.99 ft / 205.71 ft) x 21.33 ft x (9.35 / 9.82 ft)
(63.70 m / 62.70 m) x 6.50 m x (2.85 / 2.99 m)
Armament:
3 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 3.66lbs / 1.66kg shells, 400 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 15,000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
Weight of broadside 11 lbs / 5 kg
Main Torpedoes
3 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.540 t each, 1.619 t total
In 3 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes
Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.39" / 10 mm - -
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8,043 ihp / 6,000 Kw = 25.72 kts
Range 2,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 82 tons (100% coal)
Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery
Complement:
49 - 65
Cost:
£0.055 million / $0.219 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 4 tons, 0.9 %
- Guns: 2 tons, 0.5 %
- Weapons: 2 tons, 0.4 %
Armour: 3 tons, 0.6 %
- Armament: 3 tons, 0.6 %
Machinery: 285 tons, 60.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 107 tons, 22.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 58 tons, 12.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 12 tons, 2.6 %
- On freeboard deck: 12 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
104 lbs / 47 Kg = 27.2 x 2.0 " / 50 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.58
Metacentric height 1.1 ft / 0.3 m
Roll period: 8.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.02
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.97
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.410
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.65 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 14.34 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 67 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 15.00 %, 10.50 ft / 3.20 m, 12.47 ft / 3.80 m
- Forward deck: 20.00 %, 8.53 ft / 2.60 m, 8.53 ft / 2.60 m
- Aft deck: 50.00 %, 8.53 ft / 2.60 m, 8.53 ft / 2.60 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 8.53 ft / 2.60 m, 8.53 ft / 2.60 m
- Average freeboard: 9.00 ft / 2.74 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 197.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 87.1 %
Waterplane Area: 2,700 Square feet or 251 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 19 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 20 lbs/sq ft or 96 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 1.94
- Overall: 0.57
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Cramped accommodation and workspace room
Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather
...and the problem with doing an effective naval set-up is that I'm not precisely sure what to start building in 1900.
Lots of small coast defense ships please.
Yeah, I think we need to role play a bit for the era between 1890 or so and 1900.
Quote from: Guinness on June 17, 2014, 06:53:10 AM
Lots of small coast defense ships please.
Should I arm them or leave them as "fitted for but not with"?
QuoteYeah, I think we need to role play a bit for the era between 1890 or so and 1900.
Indeed. I will have to reign myself in a bit.
A generic river gunboat for service on the Danube/Sava, Euphrates/Tigris, and Nile river systems. It's primarily intended to keep locals in line, so the armament is not super crazy. The armor protection is basically intended to keep bullets out of the important bits.
Seakeeping is not great, but ought to be just fine for rivers.
The main gun is a howitzer, to facilitate shelling forts or elevated positions as might be found on river banks.
The miscellaneous weight was originally for deck cargo or a small detachment of troops.
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1890
Displacement:
250 t light; 260 t standard; 278 t normal; 293 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(191.60 ft / 188.32 ft) x 26.25 ft x (3.28 / 3.42 ft)
(58.40 m / 57.40 m) x 8.00 m x (1.00 / 1.04 m)
Armament:
1 - 4.13" / 105 mm 15.0 cal gun - 31.29lbs / 14.19kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading gun in deck mount, 1890 Model
1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck centre
2 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 3.66lbs / 1.66kg shells, 400 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 15,000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
Weight of broadside 39 lbs / 18 kg
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 0.59" / 15 mm 126.31 ft / 38.50 m 6.14 ft / 1.87 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 103 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.39" / 10 mm - -
2nd: 0.39" / 10 mm - -
- Box over machinery & magazines:
0.39" / 10 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 0.59" / 15 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 135 ihp / 101 Kw = 8.93 kts
Range 1,300nm at 8.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 33 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
33 - 44
Cost:
£0.013 million / $0.053 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3 tons, 1.1 %
- Guns: 3 tons, 1.1 %
Armour: 37 tons, 13.4 %
- Belts: 20 tons, 7.0 %
- Armament: 3 tons, 1.0 %
- Armour Deck: 14 tons, 5.2 %
- Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0.2 %
Machinery: 25 tons, 9.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 150 tons, 53.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 28 tons, 10.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 35 tons, 12.6 %
- On freeboard deck: 35 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
1,295 lbs / 587 Kg = 36.7 x 4.1 " / 105 mm shells or 1.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.24
Metacentric height 1.0 ft / 0.3 m
Roll period: 11.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.05
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.91
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.605
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.18 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 13.72 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 21 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 77
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 15.00 %, 8.20 ft / 2.50 m, 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
- Forward deck: 20.00 %, 5.25 ft / 1.60 m, 5.25 ft / 1.60 m
- Aft deck: 50.00 %, 5.25 ft / 1.60 m, 5.25 ft / 1.60 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 5.25 ft / 1.60 m, 5.25 ft / 1.60 m
- Average freeboard: 5.69 ft / 1.74 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 35.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 109.5 %
Waterplane Area: 3,615 Square feet or 336 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 212 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 35 lbs/sq ft or 170 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.17
- Longitudinal: 0.94
- Overall: 1.00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Adequate accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather
These larger riverboat are unarmored, but their primary role is to move cargo or troops along a watershed.
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1898
Displacement:
506 t light; 519 t standard; 539 t normal; 556 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(216.54 ft / 213.25 ft) x 36.09 ft x (3.77 / 3.87 ft)
(66.00 m / 65.00 m) x 11.00 m x (1.15 / 1.18 m)
Armament:
2 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 3.66lbs / 1.66kg shells, 400 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 15,000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
Weight of broadside 7 lbs / 3 kg
Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
2nd: 0.39" / 10 mm - -
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 161 ihp / 120 Kw = 8.20 kts
Range 1,000nm at 8.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 37 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
55 - 72
Cost:
£0.022 million / $0.087 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2 tons, 0.3 %
- Guns: 2 tons, 0.3 %
Armour: 2 tons, 0.3 %
- Armament: 2 tons, 0.3 %
Machinery: 26 tons, 4.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 276 tons, 51.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 33 tons, 6.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 37.1 %
- On freeboard deck: 200 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
7,773 lbs / 3,526 Kg = 220.1 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 5.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.31
Metacentric height 1.8 ft / 0.5 m
Roll period: 11.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.01
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.12
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low forecastle, low quarterdeck ,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.650 / 0.653
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.91 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 14.60 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 17 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 63
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 15.00 %, 5.91 ft / 1.80 m, 3.94 ft / 1.20 m
- Forward deck: 20.00 %, 11.81 ft / 3.60 m, 11.81 ft / 3.60 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 11.81 ft / 3.60 m, 11.81 ft / 3.60 m
- Quarter deck: 30.00 %, 3.94 ft / 1.20 m, 3.94 ft / 1.20 m
- Average freeboard: 8.39 ft / 2.56 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 18.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 241.2 %
Waterplane Area: 5,896 Square feet or 548 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 209 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 39 lbs/sq ft or 192 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.96
- Longitudinal: 1.39
- Overall: 1.00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
On the small riverboat, I'd mount a smaller gun. I think rate of fire would matter more, and with something like a 75mm you can carry a lot more ammunition. It'd still be plenty to scare the locals.
The generic Ottoman patrol boat, used for harbour inspections, local security near ports, and such. No provision for cargo or passengers - a portion of the crew would serve as a boarding party where required.
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1893 (Engine 1890)
Displacement:
47 t light; 49 t standard; 50 t normal; 52 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(85.30 ft / 82.02 ft) x 16.40 ft x (2.62 / 2.68 ft)
(26.00 m / 25.00 m) x 5.00 m x (0.80 / 0.82 m)
Armament:
1 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm 40.0 cal gun - 3.66lbs / 1.66kg shells, 400 per gun
Quick firing gun in deck mount, 1893 Model
1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck centre
3 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 15,000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1893 Model
2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck centre
Weight of broadside 4 lbs / 2 kg
Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
2nd: 0.39" / 10 mm - -
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 111 ihp / 83 Kw = 11.00 kts
Range 300nm at 8.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
9 - 12
Cost:
£0.005 million / $0.019 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1 tons, 1.6 %
- Guns: 1 tons, 1.6 %
Armour: 1 tons, 1.8 %
- Armament: 1 tons, 1.8 %
Machinery: 21 tons, 42.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 23 tons, 46.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4 tons, 7.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
58 lbs / 26 Kg = 1.7 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.72
Metacentric height 0.8 ft / 0.2 m
Roll period: 7.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.02
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.28
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.500 / 0.503
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 9.06 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 15.00 %, 5.25 ft / 1.60 m, 5.25 ft / 1.60 m
- Forward deck: 20.00 %, 5.25 ft / 1.60 m, 5.25 ft / 1.60 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 5.25 ft / 1.60 m, 5.25 ft / 1.60 m
- Quarter deck: 30.00 %, 5.25 ft / 1.60 m, 5.25 ft / 1.60 m
- Average freeboard: 5.25 ft / 1.60 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 144.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 99.6 %
Waterplane Area: 896 Square feet or 83 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 19 lbs/sq ft or 94 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.89
- Longitudinal: 3.38
- Overall: 1.01
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Adequate accommodation and workspace room
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Quote from: Guinness on June 17, 2014, 07:46:55 AM
On the small riverboat, I'd mount a smaller gun. I think rate of fire would matter more, and with something like a 75mm you can carry a lot more ammunition. It'd still be plenty to scare the locals.
True - switching to a 77mm does seem to have benefits...
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1890
Displacement:
250 t light; 260 t standard; 278 t normal; 293 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(191.60 ft / 188.32 ft) x 26.25 ft x (3.28 / 3.42 ft)
(58.40 m / 57.40 m) x 8.00 m x (1.00 / 1.04 m)
Armament:
1 - 3.03" / 77.0 mm 15.0 cal gun - 12.34lbs / 5.60kg shells, 250 per gun
Breech loading gun in deck mount, 1890 Model
1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck centre
2 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 3.66lbs / 1.66kg shells, 400 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 15,000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
Weight of broadside 20 lbs / 9 kg
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 0.59" / 15 mm 126.31 ft / 38.50 m 6.14 ft / 1.87 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 103 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.39" / 10 mm - -
2nd: 0.39" / 10 mm - -
- Box over machinery & magazines:
0.39" / 10 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 0.59" / 15 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 134 ihp / 100 Kw = 8.90 kts
Range 1,300nm at 8.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 33 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
33 - 44
Cost:
£0.013 million / $0.052 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2 tons, 0.8 %
- Guns: 2 tons, 0.8 %
Armour: 26 tons, 9.5 %
- Belts: 19 tons, 7.0 %
- Armament: 3 tons, 0.9 %
- Armour Deck: 4 tons, 1.3 %
- Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0.2 %
Machinery: 26 tons, 9.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 149 tons, 53.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 28 tons, 10.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 46 tons, 16.5 %
- On freeboard deck: 46 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
1,279 lbs / 580 Kg = 91.8 x 3.0 " / 77 mm shells or 1.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.21
Metacentric height 1.0 ft / 0.3 m
Roll period: 11.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.03
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.91
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.605
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.18 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 13.72 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 21 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 77
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 15.00 %, 8.20 ft / 2.50 m, 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
- Forward deck: 20.00 %, 5.25 ft / 1.60 m, 5.25 ft / 1.60 m
- Aft deck: 50.00 %, 5.25 ft / 1.60 m, 5.25 ft / 1.60 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 5.25 ft / 1.60 m, 5.25 ft / 1.60 m
- Average freeboard: 5.69 ft / 1.74 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 35.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 109.5 %
Waterplane Area: 3,615 Square feet or 336 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 214 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 35 lbs/sq ft or 169 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.20
- Longitudinal: 0.94
- Overall: 1.00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Adequate accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather
It occurred to me that I'm trying to pack too much into the 1898-99 period for the new engine year, so I will be tinkering with smaller stuff designs once I figure out sequencing for everything.
Okay, I'm sorted out. Major changes to my previous OrBat will be:
-Two of the three newest battleships are still under construction as the sim begins.
-I am counting a blown-up PD in my BP totals.
-There are only 2 (no longer 3) ACs from the mid '90s.
-But I'm adding 2 smaller ~5,000 t AC from the early '90s.
-My larger class of CLs will be remodelled with the 1890 engine tech.
-Half of the new, big TB will be remodelled with the 1890 engine tech.
Let's revisit armored cruisers.
The older pair are, indeed, older. I was eyeballng the historial Austrian Kaiserin und Konigin Maria Theresia class as I built this. The outcome was less sucky than I expected.
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1888 (Engine 1890)
Displacement:
5,292 t light; 5,541 t standard; 6,034 t normal; 6,428 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(383.86 ft / 377.30 ft) x 52.49 ft x (21.33 / 22.37 ft)
(117.00 m / 115.00 m) x 16.00 m x (6.50 / 6.82 m)
Armament:
2 - 9.45" / 240 mm 35.0 cal guns - 396.83lbs / 180.00kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1888 Model
2 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
8 - 5.91" / 150 mm 35.0 cal guns - 88.18lbs / 40.00kg shells, 200 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1888 Model
8 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm 35.0 cal guns - 3.52lbs / 1.60kg shells, 300 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1888 Model
8 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
4 raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 30.0 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.00kg shells, 15,000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1888 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1,527 lbs / 693 kg
Main Torpedoes
2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.384 t each, 0.769 t total
In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes
2nd Torpedoes
2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.384 t each, 0.769 t total
submerged bow tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3.94" / 100 mm 300.20 ft / 91.50 m 8.69 ft / 2.65 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 122 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3.94" / 100 mm 3.94" / 100 mm 3.94" / 100 mm
2nd: 0.98" / 25 mm - 1.97" / 50 mm
3rd: 0.39" / 10 mm - -
- Protected deck - single deck:
For and Aft decks: 2.36" / 60 mm
Forecastle: 1.18" / 30 mm Quarter deck: 1.18" / 30 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 1.97" / 50 mm, Aft 1.97" / 50 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 3 shafts, 10,054 ihp / 7,500 Kw = 19.19 kts
Range 4,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 888 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
341 - 444
Cost:
£0.544 million / $2.178 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 217 tons, 3.6 %
- Guns: 214 tons, 3.6 %
- Weapons: 3 tons, 0.1 %
Armour: 1,117 tons, 18.5 %
- Belts: 419 tons, 6.9 %
- Armament: 166 tons, 2.7 %
- Armour Deck: 504 tons, 8.4 %
- Conning Towers: 28 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 1,952 tons, 32.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,901 tons, 31.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 741 tons, 12.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 105 tons, 1.7 %
- Hull above water: 105 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
4,222 lbs / 1,915 Kg = 10.3 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 3.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.40
Metacentric height 3.4 ft / 1.0 m
Roll period: 11.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 90 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.41
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.73
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.500 / 0.508
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.19 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19.42 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 52
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -15.00 degrees
Stern overhang: -3.28 ft / -1.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 30.00 %, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Aft deck: 25.00 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Average freeboard: 13.52 ft / 4.12 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 121.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 95.1 %
Waterplane Area: 13,196 Square feet or 1,226 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 96 lbs/sq ft or 469 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.92
- Longitudinal: 1.97
- Overall: 1.00
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Adequate accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
The newer AC class suffers from the older machinery, but has some general similarities to the historical German designs of the period.
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1895 (Engine 1890)
Displacement:
8,259 t light; 8,577 t standard; 9,304 t normal; 9,886 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(387.14 ft / 387.14 ft) x 65.94 ft x (23.62 / 24.78 ft)
(118.00 m / 118.00 m) x 20.10 m x (7.20 / 7.55 m)
Armament:
4 - 8.27" / 210 mm 40.0 cal guns - 238.10lbs / 108.00kg shells, 85 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1895 Model
2 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
4 - 5.91" / 150 mm 40.0 cal guns - 88.18lbs / 40.00kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1895 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
6 - 5.91" / 150 mm 40.0 cal guns - 88.18lbs / 40.00kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
6 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
6 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
10 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 15.43lbs / 7.00kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 15,000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 1,989 lbs / 902 kg
Main Torpedoes
2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.487 t each, 0.973 t total
submerged side tubes
2nd Torpedoes
2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.487 t each, 0.973 t total
submerged bow & stern tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3.94" / 100 mm 318.24 ft / 97.00 m 9.71 ft / 2.96 m
Ends: 1.97" / 50 mm 68.86 ft / 20.99 m 9.71 ft / 2.96 m
Upper: 3.94" / 100 mm 131.23 ft / 40.00 m 16.01 ft / 4.88 m
Main Belt covers 126 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 5.91" / 150 mm 1.97" / 50 mm 3.94" / 100 mm
2nd: 3.94" / 100 mm 1.18" / 30 mm 3.94" / 100 mm
3rd: 2.76" / 70 mm - -
4th: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
- Protected deck - single deck:
For and Aft decks: 1.97" / 50 mm
Forecastle: 0.98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 0.98" / 25 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 5.91" / 150 mm, Aft 1.18" / 30 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 16,086 ihp / 12,000 Kw = 20.09 kts
Range 4,600nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,309 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
473 - 615
Cost:
£0.883 million / $3.534 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 431 tons, 4.6 %
- Guns: 427 tons, 4.6 %
- Weapons: 4 tons, 0.0 %
Armour: 2,003 tons, 21.5 %
- Belts: 995 tons, 10.7 %
- Armament: 352 tons, 3.8 %
- Armour Deck: 588 tons, 6.3 %
- Conning Towers: 68 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 3,123 tons, 33.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,612 tons, 28.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,045 tons, 11.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 90 tons, 1.0 %
- On freeboard deck: 90 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
7,036 lbs / 3,192 Kg = 24.9 x 8.3 " / 210 mm shells or 3.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.47
Metacentric height 5.2 ft / 1.6 m
Roll period: 12.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 80 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.28
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.73
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.540 / 0.547
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.87 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19.68 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: -6.56 ft / -2.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 21.00 ft / 6.40 m, 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Forward deck: 40.00 %, 21.00 ft / 6.40 m, 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Aft deck: 25.00 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Average freeboard: 17.85 ft / 5.44 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 125.5 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 127.7 %
Waterplane Area: 17,651 Square feet or 1,640 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 105 lbs/sq ft or 513 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.90
- Longitudinal: 2.53
- Overall: 1.00
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
The Sultan's royal yacht, which is rigged for sailing whenever the Sultan isn't in the mood for coal smoke.
The remaining miscellaneous weight above water and on deck would be assigned to accommodation/recreation/working space for the Sultan's immediate retinue, while the below-water cargo would be stuff like the sultan's baggage train and maybe his private motorcade or something.
The four guns are saluting mounts rather than combat pieces.
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1885
Displacement:
1,914 t light; 1,961 t standard; 2,278 t normal; 2,532 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(296.12 ft / 282.15 ft) x 49.21 ft x (11.48 / 12.44 ft)
(90.26 m / 86.00 m) x 15.00 m x (3.50 / 3.79 m)
Armament:
4 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 3.52lbs / 1.59kg shells, 100 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1885 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
Weight of broadside 14 lbs / 6 kg
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 1,526 ihp / 1,138 Kw = 13.00 kts
Range 4,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 571 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
164 - 214
Cost:
£0.109 million / $0.437 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3 tons, 0.1 %
- Guns: 3 tons, 0.1 %
Machinery: 297 tons, 13.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 902 tons, 39.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 364 tons, 16.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 713 tons, 31.3 %
- Hull below water: 100 tons
- Hull above water: 300 tons
- On freeboard deck: 199 tons
- Above deck: 114 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
5,486 lbs / 2,489 Kg = 1,555.1 x 2.0 " / 50 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.27
Metacentric height 2.7 ft / 0.8 m
Roll period: 12.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.01
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a round stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.500 / 0.513
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.73 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 16.80 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 34 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 52
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 15.00 %, 20.34 ft / 6.20 m, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Forward deck: 20.00 %, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Aft deck: 50.00 %, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Average freeboard: 16.64 ft / 5.07 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 62.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 176.3 %
Waterplane Area: 9,252 Square feet or 859 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 174 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 65 lbs/sq ft or 317 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.88
- Longitudinal: 2.90
- Overall: 1.00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
The generic Ottoman tugboat. Minimal defensive armament in case patrol work is required, and high hull strength for bumping into battleships. The miscellaneous weight is for towing kit.
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1885 (Engine 1890)
Displacement:
363 t light; 371 t standard; 426 t normal; 470 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(144.36 ft / 144.36 ft) x 26.25 ft x (6.56 / 7.11 ft)
(44.00 m / 44.00 m) x 8.00 m x (2.00 / 2.17 m)
Armament:
1 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm 40.0 cal gun - 3.52lbs / 1.59kg shells, 100 per gun
Quick firing gun in deck mount, 1885 Model
1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck centre
2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.01kg shells, 5,000 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1885 Model
2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
Weight of broadside 4 lbs / 2 kg
Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.39" / 10 mm - -
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 338 ihp / 252 Kw = 11.00 kts
Range 2,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 99 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
46 - 60
Cost:
£0.022 million / $0.088 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1 tons, 0.2 %
- Guns: 1 tons, 0.2 %
Armour: 1 tons, 0.2 %
- Armament: 1 tons, 0.2 %
Machinery: 66 tons, 15.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 245 tons, 57.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 64 tons, 14.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 11.7 %
- Hull above water: 50 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
1,039 lbs / 471 Kg = 294.6 x 2.0 " / 50 mm shells or 0.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.35
Metacentric height 1.1 ft / 0.3 m
Roll period: 10.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.01
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a round stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.610
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.50 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 12.01 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 35
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 15.00 %, 17.06 ft / 5.20 m, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Forward deck: 20.00 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Aft deck: 50.00 %, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Average freeboard: 10.90 ft / 3.32 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 64.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 118.3 %
Waterplane Area: 2,771 Square feet or 257 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 231 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 52 lbs/sq ft or 254 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.25
- Longitudinal: 8.10
- Overall: 1.50
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Adequate accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
The tug seems big, at least for harbor use.
For instance: http://www.steelnavy.com/Tug%20Brooklyn.htm (http://www.steelnavy.com/Tug%20Brooklyn.htm)
Hmm. Maybe I'll leave that design as an oceanic-ish design and add a smaller class for harbour work.
A smaller harbour tug. The other guy can be an ocean-going and salvage type.
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1885 (Engine 1890)
Displacement:
209 t light; 214 t standard; 236 t normal; 254 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(110.96 ft / 98.43 ft) x 19.69 ft x (6.56 / 6.98 ft)
(33.82 m / 30.00 m) x 6.00 m x (2.00 / 2.13 m)
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 201 ihp / 150 Kw = 10.19 kts
Range 1,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 39 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
29 - 39
Cost:
£0.013 million / $0.051 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 39 tons, 16.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 120 tons, 51.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 27 tons, 11.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 21.2 %
- On freeboard deck: 50 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
615 lbs / 279 Kg = 174.3 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 0.7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.19
Metacentric height 0.6 ft / 0.2 m
Roll period: 10.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a round stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.650 / 0.657
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 9.92 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 25
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 25.00 %, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m, 11.81 ft / 3.60 m
- Forward deck: 25.00 %, 11.81 ft / 3.60 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Average freeboard: 11.04 ft / 3.37 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 55.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 99.9 %
Waterplane Area: 1,484 Square feet or 138 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 184 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 36 lbs/sq ft or 176 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.00
- Longitudinal: 24.02
- Overall: 1.37
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Adequate accommodation and workspace room
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, rides out heavy weather easily
The Ottoman hospital ship Merhamet.
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1885 (Engine 1890)
Displacement:
4,083 t light; 4,172 t standard; 4,432 t normal; 4,641 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(321.52 ft / 314.96 ft) x 52.49 ft x (14.44 / 15.01 ft)
(98.00 m / 96.00 m) x 16.00 m x (4.40 / 4.58 m)
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 804 ihp / 600 Kw = 9.71 kts
Range 4,000nm at 8.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 469 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
271 - 353
Cost:
£0.165 million / $0.659 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 156 tons, 3.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,611 tons, 36.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 349 tons, 7.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 2,316 tons, 52.3 %
- Hull below water: 300 tons
-300 t: Stores and supplies
- Hull above water: 1,000 tons
-100 t: Four operating table and emergency/trauma centre
-900 t: Patient beds for 300 @ 3 t each.
- On freeboard deck: 1,016 tons
-750 t: Medical staff quarters for 200 @ 2.5 t each.
-250 t: Casaulty receiving & triage, boats and davits
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
14,124 lbs / 6,407 Kg = 4,003.6 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 3.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
Metacentric height 2.5 ft / 0.8 m
Roll period: 14.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a round stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.650 / 0.654
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 17.75 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 22 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 35
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 25.00 %, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m
- Forward deck: 25.00 %, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m
- Average freeboard: 22.97 ft / 7.00 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 44.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 204.4 %
Waterplane Area: 12,666 Square feet or 1,177 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 169 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 72 lbs/sq ft or 352 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.83
- Longitudinal: 5.26
- Overall: 1.00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, rides out heavy weather easily
I get the impression I'm the only person who will be starting out with a fleet train.
You may inspire others.
I recall in Wesworld, when I joined, I was informed fleet trains and such were all handwaved in.
Later, esp after the mercantile construction rule, folks were making them.
This kinda shows the use from the get go.
Well, seeing as the USN really didn't need to go anywhere more then a few hours from a base until recently, I think an underdeveloped fleet train is period. Given that I still dont really have major places to go, I don't think it has to get to big. Maybe any intervention in Panama *ahem* Columbia will change that line of thought.
I'll have to consider moving the Miho, etc. into the Startup section...