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Title: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on March 25, 2014, 05:23:45 PM
Masséna-Charles Martel, France BB1 laid down 1890

Displacement:
   11 700 t light; 12 295 t standard; 13 761 t normal; 14 934 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (408.24 ft / 402.24 ft) x 70.20 ft x (27.69 / 29.65 ft)
   (124.43 m / 122.60 m) x 21.40 m  x (8.44 / 9.04 m)

Armament:
      2 - 12.00" / 305 mm 40.0 cal guns - 828.07lbs / 375.60kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1890 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 10.77" / 274 mm 40.0 cal guns - 598.64lbs / 271.54kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1890 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
      8 - 6.45" / 164 mm 40.0 cal guns - 128.59lbs / 58.33kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1890 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3.95" / 100 mm 60.0 cal guns - 33.75lbs / 15.31kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 60.0 cal guns - 3.47lbs / 1.57kg shells, 500 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4 180 lbs / 1 896 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m torpedoes - 0.443 t each, 0.886 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   15.8" / 400 mm   232.95 ft / 71.00 m   7.86 ft / 2.40 m
   Ends:   4.72" / 120 mm   147.65 ft / 45.00 m   7.86 ft / 2.40 m
     21.64 ft / 6.60 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   4.72" / 120 mm   232.95 ft / 71.00 m   7.86 ft / 2.40 m
     Main Belt covers 89 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   15.8" / 400 mm   5.90" / 150 mm      15.8" / 400 mm
   2nd:   15.8" / 400 mm   5.90" / 150 mm      15.8" / 400 mm
   3rd:   3.95" / 100 mm   1.77" / 45 mm      3.95" / 100 mm
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.75" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13.00" / 330 mm, Aft 11.80" / 300 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 13 600 ihp / 10 145 Kw = 18.03 kts
   Range 7 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 638 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   634 - 825

Cost:
   £1.105 million / $4.419 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 895 tons, 6.5 %
      - Guns: 894 tons, 6.5 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 4 475 tons, 32.5 %
      - Belts: 1 923 tons, 14.0 %
      - Armament: 1 277 tons, 9.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 969 tons, 7.0 %
      - Conning Towers: 307 tons, 2.2 %
   Machinery: 2 518 tons, 18.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 792 tons, 27.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 061 tons, 15.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 20 tons, 0.1 %
      - On freeboard deck: 20 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     14 661 lbs / 6 650 Kg = 17.0 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 6.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.19
   Metacentric height 4.0 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 14.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.45
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.45

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.616 / 0.624
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.73 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.06 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  19.70 ft / 6.00 m,  19.70 ft / 6.00 m
      - Forward deck:   20.00 %,  19.70 ft / 6.00 m,  19.70 ft / 6.00 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.96 ft / 4.56 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 83.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 90.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 20 963 Square feet or 1 947 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 138 lbs/sq ft or 675 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.15
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: snip on March 25, 2014, 09:10:56 PM
Unfortunately that ship is not permissible under the rules. What we have (tentatively) agreed on is that techs that would be researched between 1890 and the start of the sim become available 3 years after the listed date, which is the amount of time it would take to research the tech if we were gaming the turns. Due to the inclusion of the turreted intermediary guns (both 274mm and 164mm) this ship would not be allowed until 1894 at the earliest. Capital ships in the 1890-1894 era need to conform to the following: Main guns in twin turrets, secondaries in casemate. If you wish to propose a modification to the rules, please do so in the tech thread.
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on March 26, 2014, 06:19:15 PM
Masséna-Charles Martel, France BB1 laid down 1890

Displacement:
   10 750 t light; 11 303 t standard; 12 607 t normal; 13 650 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (385.02 ft / 374.02 ft) x 65.62 ft (Bulges 72.18 ft) x (25.70 / 27.67 ft)
   (117.35 m / 114.00 m) x 20.00 m (Bulges 22.00 m)  x (7.83 / 8.43 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.01" / 305 mm 35.0 cal guns - 811.73lbs / 368.19kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1890 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      10 - 5.51" / 140 mm 40.0 cal guns - 80.24lbs / 36.40kg shells, 180 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1890 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 29.24lbs / 13.26kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      4 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 8.45lbs / 3.83kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      4 - 0.30" / 7.6 mm 50.0 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4 317 lbs / 1 958 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   242.78 ft / 74.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   5.91" / 150 mm     98.43 ft / 30.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     32.81 ft / 10.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   242.78 ft / 74.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      13.0" / 330 mm
   2nd:   1.77" / 45 mm   0.79" / 20 mm      1.77" / 45 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.36" / 60 mm
   Forecastle: 1.18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1.18" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 12.99" / 330 mm, Aft 7.09" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 13 571 ihp / 10 124 Kw = 18.06 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 347 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   594 - 773

Cost:
   £1.010 million / $4.038 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 600 tons, 4.8 %
      - Guns: 600 tons, 4.8 %
   Armour: 3 969 tons, 31.5 %
      - Belts: 2 232 tons, 17.7 %
      - Armament: 750 tons, 5.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 754 tons, 6.0 %
      - Conning Towers: 234 tons, 1.9 %
   Machinery: 2 513 tons, 19.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 607 tons, 28.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 857 tons, 14.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 60 tons, 0.5 %
      - On freeboard deck: 20 tons
      - Above deck: 40 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     14 276 lbs / 6 476 Kg = 16.5 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.35
   Metacentric height 4.5 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 14.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.42
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.51

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.636 / 0.640
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.18 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.34 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -30.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Forward deck:   35.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.11 ft / 4.91 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 86.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 97.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 18 560 Square feet or 1 724 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 135 lbs/sq ft or 660 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.49
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on March 26, 2014, 06:40:12 PM
Tolbiac, France BB2 laid down 1893

Displacement:
   11 750 t light; 12 394 t standard; 13 693 t normal; 14 731 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (391.58 ft / 380.58 ft) x 68.90 ft (Bulges 75.46 ft) x (26.24 / 28.07 ft)
   (119.35 m / 116.00 m) x 21.00 m (Bulges 23.00 m)  x (8.00 / 8.56 m)

Armament:
      4 - 13.39" / 340 mm 35.0 cal guns - 1 124.47lbs / 510.05kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1893 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      10 - 5.51" / 140 mm 40.0 cal guns - 80.24lbs / 36.40kg shells, 180 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1893 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 29.24lbs / 13.26kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1893 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      4 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 8.45lbs / 3.83kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1893 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      4 - 0.30" / 7.6 mm 50.0 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1893 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5 568 lbs / 2 526 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 15.7" / 400 mm, 14.44 ft / 4.40 m torpedoes - 0.320 t each, 0.640 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   246.06 ft / 75.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   5.91" / 150 mm     98.43 ft / 30.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     36.09 ft / 11.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   246.06 ft / 75.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     Main Belt covers 99 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      13.0" / 330 mm
   2nd:   1.77" / 45 mm   0.79" / 20 mm      1.77" / 45 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.76" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.38" / 35 mm  Quarter deck: 1.38" / 35 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 12.99" / 330 mm, Aft 7.87" / 200 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 14 515 ihp / 10 828 Kw = 18.15 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 337 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   632 - 822

Cost:
   £1.140 million / $4.559 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 755 tons, 5.5 %
      - Guns: 754 tons, 5.5 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 4 355 tons, 31.8 %
      - Belts: 2 273 tons, 16.6 %
      - Armament: 885 tons, 6.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 939 tons, 6.9 %
      - Conning Towers: 257 tons, 1.9 %
   Machinery: 2 547 tons, 18.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 025 tons, 29.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 943 tons, 14.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 65 tons, 0.5 %
      - On freeboard deck: 25 tons
      - Above deck: 40 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     15 446 lbs / 7 006 Kg = 12.9 x 13.4 " / 340 mm shells or 8.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.33
   Metacentric height 4.8 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 14.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 78 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.50
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.55

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.636 / 0.640
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.04 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.51 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -20.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m,  18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Forward deck:   35.00 %,  18.04 ft / 5.50 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.04 ft / 5.19 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 86.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 100.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 19 830 Square feet or 1 842 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 143 lbs/sq ft or 697 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.89
      - Longitudinal: 2.71
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Tolbiac-Malplaquet-Bouvines-Denain
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: snip on March 26, 2014, 06:43:53 PM
I rather like the pair of them.
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on March 26, 2014, 06:57:37 PM
Valmy, France AC3 laid down 1899

Displacement:
   9 835 t light; 10 212 t standard; 11 295 t normal; 12 162 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (485.56 ft / 485.56 ft) x 65.62 ft x (20.34 / 21.63 ft)
   (148.00 m / 148.00 m) x 20.00 m  x (6.20 / 6.59 m)

Armament:
      4 - 9.45" / 240 mm 45.0 cal guns - 425.39lbs / 192.95kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1899 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      8 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 2 390 lbs / 1 084 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.559 t each, 1.118 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   4.72" / 120 mm   452.76 ft / 138.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 143 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5.91" / 150 mm   1.97" / 50 mm      4.72" / 120 mm
   2nd:   1.57" / 40 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.49" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 4.72" / 120 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 24 750 ihp / 18 464 Kw = 22.15 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 949 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   547 - 712

Cost:
   £1.155 million / $4.620 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 485 tons, 4.3 %
      - Guns: 483 tons, 4.3 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 1 690 tons, 15.0 %
      - Belts: 835 tons, 7.4 %
      - Armament: 239 tons, 2.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 565 tons, 5.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 51 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 4 420 tons, 39.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 200 tons, 28.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 461 tons, 12.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 40 tons, 0.4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 20 tons
      - Above deck: 20 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     6 893 lbs / 3 127 Kg = 16.3 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 2.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.59
   Metacentric height 5.8 ft / 1.8 m
   Roll period: 11.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 79 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.27
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.57

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.610 / 0.618
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.40 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.04 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   18.00 %,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Forward deck:   32.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Aft deck:   34.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   16.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.64 ft / 5.07 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 142.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 134.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 23 521 Square feet or 2 185 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 91 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 102 lbs/sq ft or 498 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.36
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Valmy-Fontenoy-Jemappes-Wattignies
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: snip on March 26, 2014, 07:08:28 PM
On the Valmy did you mean for the last to have simple reciprocating steam engines? Seems like that would add to the ship's capabilities if they became VTEs. I would note that she and her sisters would still be under construction at the start of the sim. As compensation, with that laydown you would be able to use 1900 engines. [Note: Tolbiac needs to be corrected to 1890 engines] Also, that 240mm/45 is something we might have to talk about. Im not opposed to it out of hand, its just supper close on the legality. More then willing to come up with a way this can be built.
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Logi on March 26, 2014, 11:09:32 PM
This is unrelated but Jefgte, do you intend to play France? I ask because you indicated a desire to play Germany previous but is now simming French ships.
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on March 27, 2014, 04:34:13 PM
QuoteThis is unrelated but Jefgte, do you intend to play France? I ask because you indicated a desire to play Germany previous but is now simming French ships.

Finaly, I prefer France.
I reuse the 1895-1899 Plan & SS.

http://www.navalism.org/index.php/board,362.0.html

Jef
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on March 27, 2014, 05:34:24 PM
I have started a new plan - 1890-1899
For the moment, that give 168 ships for 532 000t (540 000t max)

Proportions:
1BB - 2AC - 4CP - 6AT - 8TB

BB => 10000 to 13000t
AC => 7000 to 10000t
CP => 4000t
AT => 2000t
TB => 250 to 400t
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Walter on March 27, 2014, 06:23:48 PM
168?
... maybe I should be a little bit less modest with my numbers and be more aggressive...
*goes to quadruple the size of the Chinese fleet*
:)
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on March 31, 2014, 05:05:50 PM
AT1 to AT12, France Aviso Torpilleur - Station TB laid down 1891

Displacement:
   1 750 t light; 1 805 t standard; 1 996 t normal; 2 149 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (285.43 ft / 282.15 ft) x 39.37 ft x (10.48 / 11.14 ft)
   (87.00 m / 86.00 m) x 12.00 m  x (3.20 / 3.40 m)

Armament:
      2 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 29.23lbs / 13.26kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1891 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 8.02lbs / 3.64kg shells, 500 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1891 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 0.30" / 8.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1891 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
      Weight of broadside 91 lbs / 41 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 15.7" / 400 mm, 15.75 ft / 4.80 m torpedoes - 0.323 t each, 0.647 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 15.7" / 400 mm, 15.75 ft / 4.80 m torpedoes - 0.323 t each, 0.647 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7 000 ihp / 5 222 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 3 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 343 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   149 - 194

Cost:
   £0.221 million / $0.883 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 16 tons, 0.8 %
      - Guns: 14 tons, 0.7 %
      - Weapons: 3 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 7 tons, 0.4 %
      - Armament: 7 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 1 111 tons, 55.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 606 tons, 30.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 246 tons, 12.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 10 tons, 0.5 %
      - On freeboard deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     893 lbs / 405 Kg = 29.3 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.95
   Metacentric height 3.6 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 8.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.02
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.16

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle, rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.608
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.17 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 16.80 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Forward deck:   8.00 %,  13.78 ft / 4.20 m,  13.78 ft / 4.20 m
      - Aft deck:   57.00 %,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      10.33 ft / 3.15 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 184.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 104.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 8 124 Square feet or 755 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 73 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 54 lbs/sq ft or 262 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.30
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: snip on March 31, 2014, 05:47:21 PM
You need to check your engine years. If your laydown is pre 1898, the engine year should be 1890. If 1898 or 99, you can use 1900 engines.
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: snip on April 01, 2014, 10:31:13 AM
Also, my apologies for not catching this before you redid things for the engine year, we are going to be using misc weight to account for torps as opposed to the built-in SS3 bits. There are some rather glaring flaws with that bit of the program, so the misc weight is the chosen option.
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on April 19, 2014, 09:41:37 AM
TB1 to TB12, France 38m-125tonnes laid down 1892 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   125 t light; 128 t standard; 132 t normal; 135 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (124.67 ft / 124.67 ft) x 15.09 ft x (6.14 / 6.23 ft)
   (38.00 m / 38.00 m) x 4.60 m  x (1.87 / 1.90 m)

Armament:
      2 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 1.56lbs / 0.71kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1892 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1892 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward
      Weight of broadside 3 lbs / 1 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      1 - 15.0" / 381 mm, 14.44 ft / 4.40 m torpedo - 0.280 t total
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 15.0" / 381 mm, 14.44 ft / 4.40 m torpedoes - 0.280 t each, 0.561 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.20" / 5 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 2 100 ihp / 1 567 Kw = 21.07 kts
   Range 250nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 7 tons (100% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   19 - 25

Cost:
   £0.016 million / $0.064 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2 tons, 1.8 %
      - Guns: 1 tons, 0.7 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 1.1 %
   Armour: 1 tons, 0.8 %
      - Armament: 1 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 82 tons, 61.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 38 tons, 28.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 7 tons, 5.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 2 tons, 1.5 %
      - On freeboard deck: 2 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     29 lbs / 13 Kg = 18.6 x 1.5 " / 37 mm shells or 0.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
   Metacentric height 0.4 ft / 0.1 m
   Roll period: 10.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.06
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.403
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.26 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 11.17 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 70 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25.00 %,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m,  9.19 ft / 2.80 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m,  6.89 ft / 2.10 m
      - Aft deck:   25.00 %,  6.89 ft / 2.10 m,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   25.00 %,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m,  6.23 ft / 1.90 m
      - Average freeboard:      7.24 ft / 2.21 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 201.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 49.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 1 158 Square feet or 108 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 16 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 15 lbs/sq ft or 73 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 3.97
      - Overall: 0.61
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Extremely poor machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Extremely poor accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Trial speed: 27.5kts
Bonus: 6.43
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on April 19, 2014, 09:42:16 AM
TB13 to TB24, France TB2-135t laid down 1892 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   135 t light; 138 t standard; 145 t normal; 150 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (137.80 ft / 137.80 ft) x 15.75 ft x (5.84 / 5.98 ft)
   (42.00 m / 42.00 m) x 4.80 m  x (1.78 / 1.82 m)

Armament:
      2 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 1.56lbs / 0.71kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1892 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1892 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward
      Weight of broadside 3 lbs / 1 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      1 - 15.0" / 381 mm, 14.44 ft / 4.40 m torpedo - 0.280 t total
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 15.0" / 381 mm, 14.44 ft / 4.40 m torpedoes - 0.280 t each, 0.561 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.20" / 5 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 2 152 ihp / 1 605 Kw = 21.26 kts
   Range 450nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 12 tons (100% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   20 - 27

Cost:
   £0.017 million / $0.070 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2 tons, 1.6 %
      - Guns: 1 tons, 0.6 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 1.0 %
   Armour: 1 tons, 0.7 %
      - Armament: 1 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 89 tons, 61.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 41 tons, 28.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 10 tons, 6.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 2 tons, 1.4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 2 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     32 lbs / 15 Kg = 21.0 x 1.5 " / 37 mm shells or 0.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.19
   Metacentric height 0.4 ft / 0.1 m
   Roll period: 10.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.05
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.05

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.405
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.75 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 11.74 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 68 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25.00 %,  8.37 ft / 2.55 m,  9.35 ft / 2.85 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  7.05 ft / 2.15 m,  6.73 ft / 2.05 m
      - Aft deck:   25.00 %,  6.73 ft / 2.05 m,  6.40 ft / 1.95 m
      - Quarter deck:   25.00 %,  6.40 ft / 1.95 m,  6.07 ft / 1.85 m
      - Average freeboard:      7.16 ft / 2.18 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 199.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 56.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 1 336 Square feet or 124 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 17 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 15 lbs/sq ft or 72 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 2.81
      - Overall: 0.59
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Trial speed: 27.5kts
Bonus: 6.24
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on April 19, 2014, 09:42:55 AM
TB25 to TB36, France TB3-165t laid down 1894 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   165 t light; 169 t standard; 186 t normal; 200 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (157.48 ft / 157.48 ft) x 17.91 ft x (5.77 / 6.04 ft)
   (48.00 m / 48.00 m) x 5.46 m  x (1.76 / 1.84 m)

Armament:
      2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1894 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1894 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward
      Weight of broadside 6 lbs / 3 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      1 - 15.0" / 381 mm, 14.44 ft / 4.40 m torpedo - 0.303 t total
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 15.0" / 381 mm, 14.44 ft / 4.40 m torpedoes - 0.303 t each, 0.605 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.20" / 5 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 2 330 ihp / 1 738 Kw = 21.24 kts
   Range 1 070nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 30 tons (100% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   24 - 32

Cost:
   £0.022 million / $0.087 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 3 tons, 1.6 %
      - Guns: 2 tons, 0.8 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.8 %
   Armour: 1 tons, 0.5 %
      - Armament: 1 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 112 tons, 60.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 47 tons, 25.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 22 tons, 11.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 2 tons, 1.1 %
      - On freeboard deck: 2 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     45 lbs / 20 Kg = 14.1 x 1.9 " / 47 mm shells or 0.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.39
   Metacentric height 0.7 ft / 0.2 m
   Roll period: 9.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.05
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.03

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.410
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.79 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 12.55 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  8.37 ft / 2.55 m,  9.35 ft / 2.85 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  7.05 ft / 2.15 m,  6.73 ft / 2.05 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  6.73 ft / 2.05 m,  6.40 ft / 1.95 m
      - Quarter deck:   25.00 %,  6.40 ft / 1.95 m,  6.07 ft / 1.85 m
      - Average freeboard:      7.04 ft / 2.15 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 196.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 64.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 1 736 Square feet or 161 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 20 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 15 lbs/sq ft or 75 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.62
      - Overall: 0.56
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Trial speed: 27kts
Bonus: 5.76
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on April 19, 2014, 09:43:26 AM
TB37 to TB48, France TB3-235t laid down 1894 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   235 t light; 242 t standard; 261 t normal; 277 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (177.17 ft / 177.17 ft) x 19.69 ft x (6.56 / 6.81 ft)
   (54.00 m / 54.00 m) x 6.00 m  x (2.00 / 2.08 m)

Armament:
      2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1894 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1894 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 0 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1894 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 13 lbs / 6 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      1 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m torpedo - 0.507 t total
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m torpedoes - 0.507 t each, 1.013 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.20" / 5 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 3 780 ihp / 2 820 Kw = 23.00 kts
   Range 1 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 35 tons (100% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   32 - 42

Cost:
   £0.031 million / $0.126 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 6 tons, 2.1 %
      - Guns: 3 tons, 1.1 %
      - Weapons: 3 tons, 1.0 %
   Armour: 1 tons, 0.3 %
      - Armament: 1 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 160 tons, 61.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 67 tons, 25.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 26 tons, 10.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 2 tons, 0.8 %
      - On freeboard deck: 2 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     60 lbs / 27 Kg = 18.9 x 1.9 " / 47 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.37
   Metacentric height 0.8 ft / 0.2 m
   Roll period: 9.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.07
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.02

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.408
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 13.31 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 65 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  9.02 ft / 2.75 m,  9.68 ft / 2.95 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  8.04 ft / 2.45 m,  7.71 ft / 2.35 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  7.71 ft / 2.35 m,  7.38 ft / 2.25 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  7.38 ft / 2.25 m,  7.05 ft / 2.15 m
      - Average freeboard:      7.94 ft / 2.42 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 200.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 66.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 2 147 Square feet or 199 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 18 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 17 lbs/sq ft or 85 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.74
      - Overall: 0.56
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Extremely poor machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Trial speed: 28.5kts
Bonus: 5.5
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on April 19, 2014, 09:44:04 AM
TB49 to TB73, France TB5-350t laid down 1897 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   350 t light; 360 t standard; 397 t normal; 426 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (206.69 ft / 206.69 ft) x 22.97 ft x (7.32 / 7.67 ft)
   (63.00 m / 63.00 m) x 7.00 m  x (2.23 / 2.34 m)

Armament:
      2 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 8.45lbs / 3.83kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 220 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 0 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 23 lbs / 11 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m torpedoes - 0.561 t each, 1.121 t total
   submerged bow tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m torpedoes - 0.561 t each, 1.121 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.20" / 5 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.20" / 5 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 5 500 ihp / 4 103 Kw = 24.09 kts
   Range 1 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 66 tons (100% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   43 - 57

Cost:
   £0.047 million / $0.189 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 9 tons, 2.4 %
      - Guns: 5 tons, 1.2 %
      - Weapons: 4 tons, 1.1 %
   Armour: 2 tons, 0.4 %
      - Armament: 2 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 241 tons, 60.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 94 tons, 23.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 47 tons, 11.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 4 tons, 1.0 %
      - On freeboard deck: 4 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     74 lbs / 34 Kg = 8.9 x 2.6 " / 65 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.50
   Metacentric height 1.1 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 9.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.07
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.02

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.410
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 14.38 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  10.01 ft / 3.05 m,  10.66 ft / 3.25 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  8.69 ft / 2.65 m,  8.37 ft / 2.55 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  8.37 ft / 2.55 m,  8.04 ft / 2.45 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  8.04 ft / 2.45 m,  7.71 ft / 2.35 m
      - Average freeboard:      8.67 ft / 2.64 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 222.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 78.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 2 922 Square feet or 271 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 18 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 19 lbs/sq ft or 93 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.38
      - Overall: 0.55
   Extremely poor machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Trial speed: 28kts
Bonus: 3.92
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on April 19, 2014, 09:44:37 AM
TB74 to TB98, France TB6-380t laid down 1899 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   380 t light; 391 t standard; 445 t normal; 488 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (216.54 ft / 216.54 ft) x 24.05 ft x (7.48 / 7.95 ft)
   (66.00 m / 66.00 m) x 7.33 m  x (2.28 / 2.42 m)

Armament:
      2 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 8.45lbs / 3.83kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      2 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 8.45lbs / 3.83kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 0 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 34 lbs / 15 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m torpedoes - 0.601 t each, 1.202 t total
   submerged bow tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m torpedoes - 0.601 t each, 1.202 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.20" / 5 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.20" / 5 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6 000 ihp / 4 476 Kw = 24.31 kts
   Range 2 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 97 tons (100% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   47 - 62

Cost:
   £0.052 million / $0.207 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 12 tons, 2.6 %
      - Guns: 7 tons, 1.5 %
      - Weapons: 5 tons, 1.1 %
   Armour: 2 tons, 0.4 %
      - Armament: 2 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 262 tons, 58.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 100 tons, 22.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 65 tons, 14.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 5 tons, 1.1 %
      - On freeboard deck: 5 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     90 lbs / 41 Kg = 10.7 x 2.6 " / 65 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.55
   Metacentric height 1.2 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 9.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.08
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.413
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 14.72 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  10.66 ft / 3.25 m,  10.66 ft / 3.25 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  8.69 ft / 2.65 m,  8.37 ft / 2.55 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  8.37 ft / 2.55 m,  8.04 ft / 2.45 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  8.04 ft / 2.45 m,  7.71 ft / 2.35 m
      - Average freeboard:      8.73 ft / 2.66 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 213.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 79.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 3 205 Square feet or 298 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 23 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 19 lbs/sq ft or 94 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.21
      - Overall: 0.54
   Extremely poor machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Trial speed: 28kts
Bonus: 3.65
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on April 19, 2014, 04:36:42 PM
Aviso Torpilleur, France AT4 laid down 1899 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   1 890 t light; 1 967 t standard; 2 195 t normal; 2 378 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (311.68 ft / 308.40 ft) x 39.37 ft x (10.55 / 11.27 ft)
   (95.00 m / 94.00 m) x 12.00 m  x (3.22 / 3.43 m)

Armament:
      2 - 5.51" / 140 mm 40.0 cal guns - 80.24lbs / 36.40kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      4 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 29.24lbs / 13.26kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 278 lbs / 126 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 15.75 ft / 4.80 m torpedoes - 0.484 t each, 0.969 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 15.75 ft / 4.80 m torpedoes - 0.484 t each, 0.969 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8 719 ihp / 6 504 Kw = 21.06 kts
   Range 4 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 411 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   159 - 208

Cost:
   £0.242 million / $0.969 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 44 tons, 2.0 %
      - Guns: 40 tons, 1.8 %
      - Weapons: 4 tons, 0.2 %
   Armour: 8 tons, 0.4 %
      - Armament: 8 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 1 173 tons, 53.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 645 tons, 29.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 305 tons, 13.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 20 tons, 0.9 %
      - On freeboard deck: 20 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     1 012 lbs / 459 Kg = 12.1 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 1.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.80
   Metacentric height 3.2 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 9.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.08
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle, rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.608
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.83 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.56 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   16.00 %,  13.78 ft / 4.20 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Forward deck:   8.00 %,  14.44 ft / 4.40 m,  14.44 ft / 4.40 m
      - Aft deck:   56.00 %,  10.50 ft / 3.20 m,  10.50 ft / 3.20 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  10.50 ft / 3.20 m,  10.50 ft / 3.20 m
      - Average freeboard:      11.15 ft / 3.40 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 181.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 114.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 8 880 Square feet or 825 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 77 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 53 lbs/sq ft or 257 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.27
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on April 19, 2014, 04:38:30 PM
Aviso Torpilleur, France AT3 laid down 1896 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   1 880 t light; 1 939 t standard; 2 157 t normal; 2 331 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (291.99 ft / 288.71 ft) x 41.27 ft x (10.56 / 11.26 ft)
   (89.00 m / 88.00 m) x 12.58 m  x (3.22 / 3.43 m)

Armament:
      2 - 5.51" / 140 mm 40.0 cal guns - 80.25lbs / 36.40kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      4 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 8.02lbs / 3.64kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.00kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 193 lbs / 87 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 15.75 ft / 4.80 m torpedoes - 0.484 t each, 0.969 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 15.75 ft / 4.80 m torpedoes - 0.484 t each, 0.969 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7 413 ihp / 5 530 Kw = 20.06 kts
   Range 3 200nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 391 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   157 - 205

Cost:
   £0.242 million / $0.967 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 31 tons, 1.4 %
      - Guns: 27 tons, 1.3 %
      - Weapons: 4 tons, 0.2 %
   Armour: 8 tons, 0.4 %
      - Armament: 8 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 1 197 tons, 55.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 627 tons, 29.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 277 tons, 12.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 18 tons, 0.8 %
      - On freeboard deck: 18 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     957 lbs / 434 Kg = 11.4 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 1.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.99
   Metacentric height 3.9 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 8.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.04
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.16

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle, rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.608
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 16.99 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   16.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m
      - Forward deck:   8.00 %,  13.78 ft / 4.20 m,  13.78 ft / 4.20 m
      - Aft deck:   56.00 %,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      10.49 ft / 3.20 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 186.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 106.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 8 715 Square feet or 810 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 72 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 53 lbs/sq ft or 260 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.30
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on April 19, 2014, 04:41:15 PM
Aviso Torpilleur, France AT2 laid down 1894 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   1 850 t light; 1 904 t standard; 2 119 t normal; 2 291 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (291.99 ft / 288.71 ft) x 40.68 ft x (10.52 / 11.23 ft)
   (89.00 m / 88.00 m) x 12.40 m  x (3.21 / 3.42 m)

Armament:
      2 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 29.23lbs / 13.26kg shells, 160 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1894 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      4 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 8.02lbs / 3.64kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1894 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.00kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1894 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 91 lbs / 41 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 15.7" / 400 mm, 15.75 ft / 4.80 m torpedoes - 0.361 t each, 0.721 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 15.7" / 400 mm, 15.75 ft / 4.80 m torpedoes - 0.361 t each, 0.721 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7 280 ihp / 5 431 Kw = 20.04 kts
   Range 3 200nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 387 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   156 - 203

Cost:
   £0.234 million / $0.937 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 17 tons, 0.8 %
      - Guns: 14 tons, 0.7 %
      - Weapons: 3 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 7 tons, 0.3 %
      - Armament: 7 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 1 182 tons, 55.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 626 tons, 29.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 270 tons, 12.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 18 tons, 0.8 %
      - On freeboard deck: 18 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     954 lbs / 433 Kg = 31.3 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.97
   Metacentric height 3.8 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 8.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.02
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.18

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle, rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.608
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.10 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 16.99 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   16.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m
      - Forward deck:   8.00 %,  13.78 ft / 4.20 m,  13.78 ft / 4.20 m
      - Aft deck:   56.00 %,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      10.49 ft / 3.20 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 184.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 105.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 8 591 Square feet or 798 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 73 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 53 lbs/sq ft or 258 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.27
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on April 19, 2014, 04:43:14 PM
Aviso Torpilleur, France AT1 laid down 1891 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   1 800 t light; 1 853 t standard; 2 051 t normal; 2 209 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (291.99 ft / 288.71 ft) x 39.37 ft x (10.52 / 11.19 ft)
   (89.00 m / 88.00 m) x 12.00 m  x (3.21 / 3.41 m)

Armament:
      2 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 29.23lbs / 13.26kg shells, 160 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1891 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 8.02lbs / 3.64kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1891 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.00kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1891 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 91 lbs / 41 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 15.7" / 400 mm, 15.75 ft / 4.80 m torpedoes - 0.323 t each, 0.647 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 15.7" / 400 mm, 15.75 ft / 4.80 m torpedoes - 0.323 t each, 0.647 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7 000 ihp / 5 222 Kw = 19.98 kts
   Range 3 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 356 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   152 - 198

Cost:
   £0.226 million / $0.904 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 17 tons, 0.8 %
      - Guns: 14 tons, 0.7 %
      - Weapons: 3 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 7 tons, 0.3 %
      - Armament: 7 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 1 136 tons, 55.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 624 tons, 30.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 251 tons, 12.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 16 tons, 0.8 %
      - On freeboard deck: 16 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     922 lbs / 418 Kg = 30.2 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.92
   Metacentric height 3.5 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 8.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.02
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.19

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle, rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.608
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.33 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 16.99 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Forward deck:   8.00 %,  13.78 ft / 4.20 m,  13.78 ft / 4.20 m
      - Aft deck:   57.00 %,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      10.33 ft / 3.15 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 183.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 104.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 8 313 Square feet or 772 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 74 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 54 lbs/sq ft or 264 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.25
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on May 06, 2014, 10:56:13 AM
80% of 540 000t for the French fleet give 432 000t.
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on May 14, 2014, 04:49:21 PM
CBB1, France Cuirassé Garde Côte laid down 1891 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   5 300 t light; 5 552 t standard; 5 808 t normal; 6 013 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (288.71 ft / 288.71 ft) x 52.49 ft (Bulges 59.06 ft) x (19.05 / 19.69 ft)
   (88.00 m / 88.00 m) x 16.00 m (Bulges 18.00 m)  x (5.81 / 6.00 m)

Armament:
      4 - 9.45" / 240 mm 40.0 cal guns - 404.25lbs / 183.37kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1891 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      6 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1891 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 250 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1891 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 2 149 lbs / 975 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 15.7" / 400 mm, 15.75 ft / 4.80 m torpedoes - 0.323 t each, 0.647 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.87" / 200 mm   239.50 ft / 73.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm     32.81 ft / 10.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     16.40 ft / 5.00 m Unarmoured ends
     Main Belt covers 128 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.45" / 240 mm   2.36" / 60 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   1.57" / 40 mm         -         1.57" / 40 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.36" / 60 mm
   Forecastle: 1.18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1.18" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 7.87" / 200 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 9 274 ihp / 6 919 Kw = 18.00 kts
   Range 2 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 460 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   332 - 432

Cost:
   £0.598 million / $2.390 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 402 tons, 6.9 %
      - Guns: 401 tons, 6.9 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 1 461 tons, 25.2 %
      - Belts: 674 tons, 11.6 %
      - Armament: 280 tons, 4.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 453 tons, 7.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 55 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 1 801 tons, 31.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 586 tons, 27.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 508 tons, 8.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 0.9 %
      - Hull below water: 12 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 38 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3 468 lbs / 1 573 Kg = 8.2 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 3.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.36
   Metacentric height 3.3 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 13.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.34
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.04

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.626 / 0.627
   Length to Beam Ratio: 4.89 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 16.99 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 68
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Forward deck:   35.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Average freeboard:      11.52 ft / 3.51 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 126.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 75.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 11 155 Square feet or 1 036 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 88 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 106 lbs/sq ft or 519 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.24
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on May 15, 2014, 04:12:06 PM
Valmy, France 2nd class BB laid down 1891 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   5 450 t light; 5 713 t standard; 6 465 t normal; 7 067 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (288.71 ft / 288.71 ft) x 52.49 ft (Bulges 59.06 ft) x (21.20 / 23.09 ft)
   (88.00 m / 88.00 m) x 16.00 m (Bulges 18.00 m)  x (6.46 / 7.04 m)

Armament:
      4 - 9.45" / 240 mm 35.0 cal guns - 395.50lbs / 179.40kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1891 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      6 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1891 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.20lbs / 1.45kg shells, 250 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1891 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 2 114 lbs / 959 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 15.7" / 400 mm, 15.75 ft / 4.80 m torpedoes - 0.323 t each, 0.647 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.87" / 200 mm   236.22 ft / 72.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm     32.81 ft / 10.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     19.69 ft / 6.00 m Unarmoured ends
     Main Belt covers 126 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.84" / 250 mm   2.17" / 55 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   1.57" / 40 mm         -         1.57" / 40 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.17" / 55 mm
   Forecastle: 1.18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1.18" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 7.87" / 200 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 9 879 ihp / 7 370 Kw = 18.00 kts
   Range 6 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 355 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   359 - 468

Cost:
   £0.600 million / $2.400 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 356 tons, 5.5 %
      - Guns: 355 tons, 5.5 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 1 438 tons, 22.2 %
      - Belts: 667 tons, 10.3 %
      - Armament: 296 tons, 4.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 416 tons, 6.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 59 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 1 918 tons, 29.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 687 tons, 26.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 016 tons, 15.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 0.8 %
      - Hull below water: 12 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 38 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     4 626 lbs / 2 098 Kg = 11.0 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 4.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.44
   Metacentric height 3.6 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 13.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.34
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.17

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.626 / 0.628
   Length to Beam Ratio: 4.89 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 16.99 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   16.00 %,  15.09 ft / 4.60 m,  15.09 ft / 4.60 m
      - Forward deck:   34.00 %,  15.09 ft / 4.60 m,  15.09 ft / 4.60 m
      - Aft deck:   34.00 %,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m
      - Quarter deck:   16.00 %,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m
      - Average freeboard:      13.12 ft / 4.00 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 117.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 77.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 11 155 Square feet or 1 036 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 105 lbs/sq ft or 515 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.89
      - Longitudinal: 2.73
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on May 17, 2014, 03:45:48 PM
Quote80% of 540 000t for the French fleet give 432 000t.

I rework completly the Plan...

Jef
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on May 17, 2014, 05:04:25 PM
Danjoult class, France CL1 laid down 1891 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   4 000 t light; 4 139 t standard; 4 772 t normal; 5 279 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (372.45 ft / 367.45 ft) x 42.65 ft (Bulges 52.49 ft) x (15.74 / 17.37 ft)
   (113.52 m / 112.00 m) x 13.00 m (Bulges 16.00 m)  x (4.80 / 5.29 m)

Armament:
      2 - 5.51" / 140 mm 40.0 cal guns - 80.24lbs / 36.40kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1891 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 5.51" / 140 mm 40.0 cal guns - 80.24lbs / 36.40kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1891 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      4 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 220 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1891 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 300 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1891 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1891 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 457 lbs / 207 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 15.0" / 380 mm, 14.96 ft / 4.56 m torpedoes - 0.323 t each, 0.647 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 15.0" / 380 mm, 14.96 ft / 4.56 m torpedoes - 0.323 t each, 0.647 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.18" / 30 mm         -         1.57" / 40 mm
   2nd:   1.18" / 30 mm         -         1.57" / 40 mm
   3rd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.18" / 30 mm
   Forecastle: 0.79" / 20 mm  Quarter deck: 0.79" / 20 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 1.38" / 35 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 11 800 ihp / 8 803 Kw = 20.57 kts
   Range 6 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 140 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   286 - 373

Cost:
   £0.493 million / $1.974 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 100 tons, 2.1 %
      - Guns: 98 tons, 2.1 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 258 tons, 5.4 %
      - Armament: 21 tons, 0.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 229 tons, 4.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 8 tons, 0.2 %
   Machinery: 2 283 tons, 47.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 342 tons, 28.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 773 tons, 16.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 16 tons, 0.3 %
      - Hull below water: 4 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 12 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2 283 lbs / 1 036 Kg = 27.3 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 2.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.97
   Metacentric height 4.1 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 10.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.08
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.46

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle, rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.550 / 0.552
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.17 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 52
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  13.78 ft / 4.20 m
      - Forward deck:   8.00 %,  15.09 ft / 4.60 m,  15.09 ft / 4.60 m
      - Aft deck:   62.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Average freeboard:      12.25 ft / 3.73 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 162.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 88.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 10 938 Square feet or 1 016 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 92 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 78 lbs/sq ft or 379 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.98
      - Longitudinal: 1.28
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

8 ships in the class (4 div)
Danjoult-Dufort
Duvalles-Dassonville
Dentraigues-Duvillars
Darras-Denevers
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on May 18, 2014, 03:18:40 AM
Neerwinden, France AC1 laid down 1890

Displacement:
   6 220 t light; 6 532 t standard; 7 419 t normal; 8 128 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (393.50 ft / 388.50 ft) x 45.93 ft (Bulges 52.49 ft) x (22.14 / 24.09 ft)
   (119.94 m / 118.41 m) x 14.00 m (Bulges 16.00 m)  x (6.75 / 7.34 m)

Armament:
      2 - 7.64" / 194 mm 40.0 cal guns - 213.51lbs / 96.85kg shells, 140 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1890 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 7.64" / 194 mm 40.0 cal guns - 213.51lbs / 96.85kg shells, 140 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1890 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      6 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 220 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1890 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 1 801 lbs / 817 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 15.0" / 380 mm, 14.96 ft / 4.56 m torpedoes - 0.267 t each, 0.535 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 15.0" / 380 mm, 14.96 ft / 4.56 m torpedoes - 0.267 t each, 0.535 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.94" / 100 mm   347.77 ft / 106.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
   Ends:   2.95" / 75 mm     32.81 ft / 10.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     7.92 ft / 2.41 m Unarmoured ends
     Main Belt covers 138 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3.94" / 100 mm   1.57" / 40 mm      2.95" / 75 mm
   2nd:   3.94" / 100 mm   1.57" / 40 mm      2.95" / 75 mm
   3rd:   1.77" / 45 mm         -         1.77" / 45 mm
   4th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.57" / 40 mm
   Forecastle: 0.98" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 0.98" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3.94" / 100 mm, Aft 2.95" / 75 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 14 000 ihp / 10 444 Kw = 20.17 kts
   Range 6 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 595 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   399 - 519

Cost:
   £0.730 million / $2.920 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 401 tons, 5.4 %
      - Guns: 399 tons, 5.4 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 1 095 tons, 14.8 %
      - Belts: 462 tons, 6.2 %
      - Armament: 234 tons, 3.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 342 tons, 4.6 %
      - Conning Towers: 56 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 2 719 tons, 36.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 943 tons, 26.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 198 tons, 16.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 62 tons, 0.8 %
      - Hull below water: 12 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 50 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3 875 lbs / 1 758 Kg = 17.4 x 7.6 " / 194 mm shells or 3.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.39
   Metacentric height 2.8 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 13.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.42
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.44

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.575 / 0.579
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.40 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.71 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -30.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  14.11 ft / 4.30 m
      - Average freeboard:      13.98 ft / 4.26 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 137.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 82.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 12 749 Square feet or 1 184 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 98 lbs/sq ft or 478 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.72
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

2 ships in the class
Neerwinden-Wissembourg
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on May 18, 2014, 04:10:10 AM
Actual French Plan give:
429 380t & 178 ships

- 8 BB (10900t to 12900t)
- 6 CBB (5450t to ...)
- 12 AC (6220t to 9835t)
- 32 CL (3550t to ...)
- 24 AT (1800t to 1890t)
- 96 TB (125 to 380t)

Jef ;)
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on May 20, 2014, 07:16:34 AM
Fontenoy - Valmy, France AC2 laid down 1893 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   7 000 t light; 7 364 t standard; 8 324 t normal; 9 092 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (431.51 ft / 426.51 ft) x 49.21 ft (Bulges 55.77 ft) x (21.30 / 23.09 ft)
   (131.52 m / 130.00 m) x 15.00 m (Bulges 17.00 m)  x (6.49 / 7.04 m)

Armament:
      4 - 7.64" / 194 mm 40.0 cal guns - 213.51lbs / 96.85kg shells, 140 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1893 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 7.64" / 194 mm 40.0 cal guns - 213.51lbs / 96.85kg shells, 140 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1893 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      6 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 220 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1893 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1893 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1893 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 2 228 lbs / 1 010 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 15.0" / 380 mm, 14.96 ft / 4.56 m torpedoes - 0.267 t each, 0.535 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 15.0" / 380 mm, 14.96 ft / 4.56 m torpedoes - 0.267 t each, 0.535 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.94" / 100 mm   377.30 ft / 115.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
   Ends:   2.95" / 75 mm     32.81 ft / 10.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     16.40 ft / 5.00 m Unarmoured ends
     Main Belt covers 136 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3.94" / 100 mm   1.57" / 40 mm      2.95" / 75 mm
   2nd:   3.94" / 100 mm   1.57" / 40 mm      2.95" / 75 mm
   3rd:   1.77" / 45 mm         -         1.77" / 45 mm
   4th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.57" / 40 mm
   Forecastle: 0.98" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 0.98" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3.94" / 100 mm, Aft 2.95" / 75 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 15 200 ihp / 11 340 Kw = 20.40 kts
   Range 6 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 728 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   435 - 566

Cost:
   £0.826 million / $3.302 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 465 tons, 5.6 %
      - Guns: 463 tons, 5.6 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 1 226 tons, 14.7 %
      - Belts: 500 tons, 6.0 %
      - Armament: 264 tons, 3.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 402 tons, 4.8 %
      - Conning Towers: 61 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 2 952 tons, 35.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 295 tons, 27.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 324 tons, 15.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 62 tons, 0.7 %
      - Hull below water: 12 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 50 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     4 648 lbs / 2 108 Kg = 20.9 x 7.6 " / 194 mm shells or 4.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.42
   Metacentric height 3.2 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 13.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.44
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.52

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.575 / 0.579
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.65 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.65 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -30.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  17.72 ft / 5.40 m,  15.09 ft / 4.60 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  15.09 ft / 4.60 m,  13.45 ft / 4.10 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  13.45 ft / 4.10 m,  13.45 ft / 4.10 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  13.45 ft / 4.10 m,  14.44 ft / 4.40 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.33 ft / 4.37 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 135.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 91.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 14 996 Square feet or 1 393 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 102 lbs/sq ft or 497 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.49
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on May 20, 2014, 07:18:38 AM
Castillon, France AC3 laid down 1895 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   9 500 t light; 9 917 t standard; 10 993 t normal; 11 854 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (503.69 ft / 498.69 ft) x 55.77 ft (Bulges 62.34 ft) x (21.53 / 23.04 ft)
   (153.52 m / 152.00 m) x 17.00 m (Bulges 19.00 m)  x (6.56 / 7.02 m)

Armament:
      4 - 9.45" / 240 mm 40.0 cal guns - 404.24lbs / 183.36kg shells, 140 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1895 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      6 - 5.51" / 140 mm 40.0 cal guns - 80.25lbs / 36.40kg shells, 140 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.78lbs / 13.96kg shells, 220 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 8.44lbs / 3.83kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 2 351 lbs / 1 066 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m torpedoes - 0.524 t each, 1.048 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m torpedoes - 0.524 t each, 1.048 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   4.72" / 120 mm   459.32 ft / 140.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
   Ends:   2.95" / 75 mm     32.81 ft / 10.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     6.56 ft / 2.00 m Unarmoured ends
     Main Belt covers 142 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5.91" / 150 mm   2.95" / 75 mm      3.94" / 100 mm
   2nd:   1.77" / 45 mm   1.57" / 40 mm      1.77" / 45 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.57" / 40 mm
   Forecastle: 1.18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1.18" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3.94" / 100 mm, Aft 3.94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 22 000 ihp / 16 412 Kw = 21.76 kts
   Range 6 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 937 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   536 - 697

Cost:
   £1.098 million / $4.391 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 431 tons, 3.9 %
      - Guns: 427 tons, 3.9 %
      - Weapons: 4 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 1 587 tons, 14.4 %
      - Belts: 707 tons, 6.4 %
      - Armament: 246 tons, 2.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 550 tons, 5.0 %
      - Conning Towers: 84 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 4 272 tons, 38.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 138 tons, 28.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 493 tons, 13.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 72 tons, 0.7 %
      - Hull below water: 12 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 60 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     6 077 lbs / 2 757 Kg = 14.4 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 2.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.52
   Metacentric height 4.3 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 12.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 82 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.31
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.64

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.575 / 0.579
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.33 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  19.03 ft / 5.80 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  15.09 ft / 4.60 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  15.09 ft / 4.60 m,  15.09 ft / 4.60 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  15.09 ft / 4.60 m,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m
      - Average freeboard:      15.83 ft / 4.82 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 141.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 108.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 19 872 Square feet or 1 846 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 93 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 105 lbs/sq ft or 513 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.98
      - Longitudinal: 1.27
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

4 Cruisers in the class:
Castillon - Cocherel - Formigny - Baugé
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on May 20, 2014, 07:39:36 AM
Beaugency, France AC4 laid down 1899

Beaugency, France AC3 laid down 1899

Displacement:
   9 840 t light; 10 231 t standard; 11 315 t normal; 12 183 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (485.56 ft / 485.56 ft) x 65.62 ft x (20.38 / 21.67 ft)
   (148.00 m / 148.00 m) x 20.00 m  x (6.21 / 6.60 m)

Armament:
      4 - 9.45" / 240 mm 45.0 cal guns - 425.38lbs / 192.95kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1899 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      6 - 6.46" / 164 mm 45.0 cal guns - 135.74lbs / 61.57kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.20lbs / 1.45kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts - superfiring
      Weight of broadside 2 542 lbs / 1 153 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m torpedoes - 0.601 t each, 1.202 t total
   submerged side tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m torpedoes - 0.601 t each, 1.202 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   4.72" / 120 mm   452.76 ft / 138.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 143 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5.91" / 150 mm   1.97" / 50 mm      4.72" / 120 mm
   2nd:   1.57" / 40 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.49" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 4.72" / 120 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 24 600 ihp / 18 351 Kw = 22.11 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 951 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   548 - 713

Cost:
   £1.158 million / $4.634 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 509 tons, 4.5 %
      - Guns: 504 tons, 4.5 %
      - Weapons: 5 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 1 686 tons, 14.9 %
      - Belts: 833 tons, 7.4 %
      - Armament: 238 tons, 2.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 565 tons, 5.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 51 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 4 393 tons, 38.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 210 tons, 28.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 475 tons, 13.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 42 tons, 0.4 %
      - Hull below water: 12 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 30 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     6 884 lbs / 3 122 Kg = 16.3 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 2.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.59
   Metacentric height 5.8 ft / 1.8 m
   Roll period: 11.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 79 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.29
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.58

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.610 / 0.618
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.40 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.04 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   18.00 %,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Forward deck:   32.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Aft deck:   34.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   16.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.64 ft / 5.07 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 143.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 134.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 23 521 Square feet or 2 185 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 91 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 103 lbs/sq ft or 501 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.37
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

4 ships in the class
Beaugency - Pontvalain -Jemappes-Wattignies
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on May 24, 2014, 04:32:43 PM
85t River gunboat

Canonnière Fluviale, France Becquey laid down 1892 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   85 t light; 101 t standard; 103 t normal; 105 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (100.07 ft / 100.07 ft) x 16.40 ft x (3.67 / 3.73 ft)
   (30.50 m / 30.50 m) x 5.00 m  x (1.12 / 1.14 m)

Armament:
      1 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal gun - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing gun in deck mount, 1892 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck centre
      1 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal gun - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 300 per gun
     Breech loading gun in deck mount, 1892 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck centre
      Weight of broadside 88 lbs / 40 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 0.79" / 20 mm
   Forecastle: 0.79" / 20 mm  Quarter deck: 0.79" / 20 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 100 ihp / 75 Kw = 9.75 kts
   Range 500nm at 6.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   16 - 21

Cost:
   £0.010 million / $0.039 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 15 tons, 14.6 %
      - Guns: 15 tons, 14.6 %
   Armour: 19 tons, 18.6 %
      - Armament: 2 tons, 1.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 17 tons, 16.7 %
   Machinery: 19 tons, 18.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 31 tons, 29.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 19 tons, 18.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     112 lbs / 51 Kg = 1.3 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.60
   Metacentric height 0.7 ft / 0.2 m
   Roll period: 8.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 69 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.31
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.28

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.602
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.10 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 10.00 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  5.91 ft / 1.80 m,  5.91 ft / 1.80 m
      - Forward deck:   35.00 %,  3.28 ft / 1.00 m,  3.28 ft / 1.00 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  3.28 ft / 1.00 m,  3.28 ft / 1.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   10.00 %,  3.28 ft / 1.00 m,  3.28 ft / 1.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      3.67 ft / 1.12 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 109.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 36.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 1 174 Square feet or 109 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 26 lbs/sq ft or 127 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.58
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Extremely poor accommodation and workspace room
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on June 17, 2014, 05:07:25 PM
To have free tonnage for 2nd class BB, I study lighter Aviso Torpilleur (1250t for 1800t).

AT1 to AT6, France AT1 laid down 1891 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   1 250 t light; 1 298 t standard; 1 428 t normal; 1 531 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (229.66 ft / 229.66 ft) x 32.81 ft x (12.63 / 13.34 ft)
   (70.00 m / 70.00 m) x 10.00 m  x (3.85 / 4.07 m)

Armament:
      3 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1891 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      1 raised mount
      4 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 8.03lbs / 3.64kg shells, 500 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1891 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 124 lbs / 56 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 15.0" / 380 mm, 14.96 ft / 4.56 m torpedoes - 0.278 t each, 1.111 t total
   In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6 170 ihp / 4 603 Kw = 20.15 kts
   Range 2 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 233 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   115 - 150

Cost:
   £0.163 million / $0.652 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 22 tons, 1.6 %
      - Guns: 20 tons, 1.4 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.2 %
   Armour: 6 tons, 0.4 %
      - Armament: 6 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 810 tons, 56.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 400 tons, 28.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 177 tons, 12.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 12 tons, 0.8 %
      - On freeboard deck: 12 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     524 lbs / 238 Kg = 17.2 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.66
   Metacentric height 2.2 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 9.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.08
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.03

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle, rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.525 / 0.533
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.15 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  9.09 ft / 2.77 m,  11.71 ft / 3.57 m
      - Forward deck:   8.00 %,  16.31 ft / 4.97 m,  16.31 ft / 4.97 m
      - Aft deck:   62.00 %,  9.09 ft / 2.77 m,  9.09 ft / 2.77 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  9.09 ft / 2.77 m,  9.09 ft / 2.77 m
      - Average freeboard:      9.90 ft / 3.02 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 187.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 81.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 5 137 Square feet or 477 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 58 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 50 lbs/sq ft or 243 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.11
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on June 19, 2014, 05:15:24 PM
AT7 to AT12, France AT2 laid down 1894 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   1 275 t light; 1 323 t standard; 1 469 t normal; 1 586 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (229.66 ft / 229.66 ft) x 33.73 ft x (12.64 / 13.42 ft)
   (70.00 m / 70.00 m) x 10.28 m  x (3.85 / 4.09 m)

Armament:
      3 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.78lbs / 13.96kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1894 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      1 raised mount
      4 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 8.02lbs / 3.64kg shells, 500 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1894 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 124 lbs / 56 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 15.0" / 380 mm, 14.96 ft / 4.56 m torpedoes - 0.311 t each, 1.246 t total
   In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6 334 ihp / 4 725 Kw = 20.17 kts
   Range 2 780nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 262 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   118 - 154

Cost:
   £0.168 million / $0.671 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 23 tons, 1.5 %
      - Guns: 20 tons, 1.4 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.2 %
   Armour: 6 tons, 0.4 %
      - Armament: 6 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 837 tons, 57.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 397 tons, 27.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 194 tons, 13.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 12 tons, 0.8 %
      - On freeboard deck: 12 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     544 lbs / 247 Kg = 17.8 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 1.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.73
   Metacentric height 2.4 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 9.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.07
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.02

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle, rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.525 / 0.534
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.81 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.15 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  9.06 ft / 2.76 m,  11.68 ft / 3.56 m
      - Forward deck:   8.00 %,  16.27 ft / 4.96 m,  16.27 ft / 4.96 m
      - Aft deck:   62.00 %,  9.06 ft / 2.76 m,  9.06 ft / 2.76 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  9.06 ft / 2.76 m,  9.06 ft / 2.76 m
      - Average freeboard:      9.87 ft / 3.01 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 188.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 81.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 5 281 Square feet or 491 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 58 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 49 lbs/sq ft or 238 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.10
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on June 19, 2014, 05:16:45 PM
AT13 to AT18, France AT3 laid down 1896 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   1 300 t light; 1 350 t standard; 1 509 t normal; 1 636 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (229.66 ft / 229.66 ft) x 34.12 ft x (12.84 / 13.67 ft)
   (70.00 m / 70.00 m) x 10.40 m  x (3.91 / 4.17 m)

Armament:
      3 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.78lbs / 13.96kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      1 raised mount
      4 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 8.02lbs / 3.64kg shells, 500 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 124 lbs / 56 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m torpedoes - 0.542 t each, 2.168 t total
   In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6 443 ihp / 4 807 Kw = 20.16 kts
   Range 3 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 287 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   120 - 157

Cost:
   £0.172 million / $0.688 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 25 tons, 1.6 %
      - Guns: 20 tons, 1.3 %
      - Weapons: 4 tons, 0.3 %
   Armour: 6 tons, 0.4 %
      - Armament: 6 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 861 tons, 57.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 397 tons, 26.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 209 tons, 13.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 12 tons, 0.8 %
      - On freeboard deck: 12 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     557 lbs / 253 Kg = 18.2 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 0.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.75
   Metacentric height 2.5 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 9.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.06
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.03

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle, rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.525 / 0.535
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.73 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.15 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  10.50 ft / 3.20 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Forward deck:   8.00 %,  15.09 ft / 4.60 m,  15.09 ft / 4.60 m
      - Aft deck:   62.00 %,  9.19 ft / 2.80 m,  9.19 ft / 2.80 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  9.19 ft / 2.80 m,  9.19 ft / 2.80 m
      - Average freeboard:      9.97 ft / 3.04 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 188.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 79.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 5 343 Square feet or 496 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 59 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 48 lbs/sq ft or 235 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.15
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on June 19, 2014, 05:24:47 PM
AT19 to AT24, France AT4 laid down 1899 (Engine 1900)


Displacement:
   1 350 t light; 1 406 t standard; 1 636 t normal; 1 819 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (229.66 ft / 229.66 ft) x 36.09 ft x (13.16 / 14.29 ft)
   (70.00 m / 70.00 m) x 11.00 m  x (4.01 / 4.36 m)

Armament:
      3 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.78lbs / 13.96kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      1 raised mount
      4 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 215 lbs / 98 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m torpedoes - 0.601 t each, 2.404 t total
   In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7 000 ihp / 5 222 Kw = 20.27 kts
   Range 5 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 413 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   128 - 167

Cost:
   £0.179 million / $0.717 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 41 tons, 2.5 %
      - Guns: 37 tons, 2.2 %
      - Weapons: 5 tons, 0.3 %
   Armour: 6 tons, 0.4 %
      - Armament: 6 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 868 tons, 53.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 420 tons, 25.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 286 tons, 17.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 14 tons, 0.9 %
      - On freeboard deck: 14 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     703 lbs / 319 Kg = 23.0 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 0.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.77
   Metacentric height 2.8 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 9.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.09
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.05

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle, rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.525 / 0.537
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.36 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.15 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Forward deck:   8.00 %,  15.09 ft / 4.60 m,  15.09 ft / 4.60 m
      - Aft deck:   62.00 %,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m,  9.19 ft / 2.80 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  9.19 ft / 2.80 m,  9.19 ft / 2.80 m
      - Average freeboard:      10.74 ft / 3.27 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 178.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 86.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 5 651 Square feet or 525 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 71 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 50 lbs/sq ft or 242 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.42
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on June 20, 2014, 05:36:08 PM
Heavy Aviso Torpilleur class of 3000t to replace 4400t CP4 & 1350t AT4

12 ships in the class ready in 1900 ( France start with 432 000t, not less )

AT4, France AT4 laid down 1899 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   3 000 t light; 3 108 t standard; 3 640 t normal; 4 066 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (393.70 ft / 393.70 ft) x 45.93 ft x (13.68 / 14.90 ft)
   (120.00 m / 120.00 m) x 14.00 m  x (4.17 / 4.54 m)

Armament:
      4 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
      Weight of broadside 399 lbs / 181 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 15.75 ft / 4.80 m torpedoes - 0.538 t each, 1.076 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 15.75 ft / 4.80 m torpedoes - 0.538 t each, 1.076 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 12 000 ihp / 8 952 Kw = 21.88 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 958 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   233 - 304

Cost:
   £0.380 million / $1.521 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 64 tons, 1.8 %
      - Guns: 61 tons, 1.7 %
      - Weapons: 3 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 10 tons, 0.3 %
      - Armament: 10 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 1 830 tons, 50.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 056 tons, 29.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 640 tons, 17.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 40 tons, 1.1 %
      - Hull above water: 4 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 18 tons
      - Above deck: 18 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     1 851 lbs / 840 Kg = 22.1 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 2.00
   Metacentric height 4.7 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 8.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.06
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.45

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle, rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.515 / 0.528
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.57 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Forward deck:   8.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Aft deck:   62.00 %,  10.50 ft / 3.20 m,  10.50 ft / 3.20 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  10.50 ft / 3.20 m,  10.50 ft / 3.20 m
      - Average freeboard:      11.36 ft / 3.46 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 169.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 111.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 12 215 Square feet or 1 135 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 91 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 62 lbs/sq ft or 302 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.00
      - Longitudinal: 1.01
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on June 20, 2014, 05:44:09 PM
I have 3 principal categories of ships in my Plan:

18kts ships for the battleline=> 1st class BB, 2nd class BB
20 to 22kts to scout, screen, escort the battleline => CP, CL, AC, AT
22 to 25kts => TB, AT


Jef  ;)
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on June 22, 2014, 04:31:15 PM
CBB2, France 2nd class BB laid down 1894 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   5 555 t light; 5 822 t standard; 6 586 t normal; 7 197 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (328.08 ft / 328.08 ft) x 52.49 ft (Bulges 59.06 ft) x (19.01 / 20.66 ft)
   (100.00 m / 100.00 m) x 16.00 m (Bulges 18.00 m)  x (5.79 / 6.30 m)

Armament:
      4 - 9.45" / 240 mm 40.0 cal guns - 404.25lbs / 183.37kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1894 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      6 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1894 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 250 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1894 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 2 149 lbs / 975 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 15.0" / 380 mm, 14.96 ft / 4.56 m torpedoes - 0.278 t each, 0.556 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 15.0" / 380 mm, 14.96 ft / 4.56 m torpedoes - 0.311 t each, 0.623 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.87" / 200 mm   242.78 ft / 74.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm     32.81 ft / 10.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     52.49 ft / 16.00 m Unarmoured ends
     Main Belt covers 114 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.45" / 240 mm   2.36" / 60 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   1.57" / 40 mm         -         1.57" / 40 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.36" / 60 mm
   Forecastle: 1.18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1.18" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 7.87" / 200 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 9 360 ihp / 6 983 Kw = 18.00 kts
   Range 6 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 375 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   365 - 475

Cost:
   £0.609 million / $2.435 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 404 tons, 6.1 %
      - Guns: 401 tons, 6.1 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 1 555 tons, 23.6 %
      - Belts: 692 tons, 10.5 %
      - Armament: 280 tons, 4.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 524 tons, 8.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 60 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 1 818 tons, 27.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 747 tons, 26.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 031 tons, 15.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 32 tons, 0.5 %
      - Hull below water: 12 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 20 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5 151 lbs / 2 336 Kg = 12.2 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 5.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.46
   Metacentric height 3.7 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 13.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.31
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.23

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.626 / 0.629
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.56 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.11 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Forward deck:   35.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Average freeboard:      11.63 ft / 3.55 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 113.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 79.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 12 905 Square feet or 1 199 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 101 lbs/sq ft or 495 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.79
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Walter on June 22, 2014, 04:32:52 PM
I would try to get that 0.01 hull strength from somewhere to get it up to 1...
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on June 22, 2014, 04:48:40 PM
CBB1, France 2nd class BB laid down 1891 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   5 530 t light; 5 797 t standard; 6 533 t normal; 7 122 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (328.08 ft / 328.08 ft) x 52.49 ft (Bulges 59.06 ft) x (18.85 / 20.45 ft)
   (100.00 m / 100.00 m) x 16.00 m (Bulges 18.00 m)  x (5.75 / 6.23 m)

Armament:
      4 - 9.45" / 240 mm 40.0 cal guns - 404.25lbs / 183.37kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1891 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      6 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1891 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 250 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1891 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 2 149 lbs / 975 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 15.0" / 380 mm, 14.96 ft / 4.56 m torpedoes - 0.278 t each, 0.556 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 15.0" / 380 mm, 14.96 ft / 4.56 m torpedoes - 0.311 t each, 0.623 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.87" / 200 mm   242.78 ft / 74.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm     32.81 ft / 10.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     52.49 ft / 16.00 m Unarmoured ends
     Main Belt covers 114 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.45" / 240 mm   2.36" / 60 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   1.57" / 40 mm         -         1.57" / 40 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.97" / 50 mm
   Forecastle: 1.18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1.18" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 7.87" / 200 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 9 300 ihp / 6 937 Kw = 18.00 kts
   Range 5 800nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 325 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   363 - 472

Cost:
   £0.606 million / $2.425 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 404 tons, 6.2 %
      - Guns: 401 tons, 6.1 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 1 475 tons, 22.6 %
      - Belts: 692 tons, 10.6 %
      - Armament: 280 tons, 4.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 444 tons, 6.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 59 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 1 806 tons, 27.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 814 tons, 27.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 002 tons, 15.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 32 tons, 0.5 %
      - Hull below water: 12 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 20 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5 113 lbs / 2 319 Kg = 12.1 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 5.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.46
   Metacentric height 3.7 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 13.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.31
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.23

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.626 / 0.629
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.56 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.11 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Forward deck:   35.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Average freeboard:      11.63 ft / 3.55 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 113.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 80.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 12 905 Square feet or 1 199 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 105 lbs/sq ft or 513 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.79
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on June 23, 2014, 04:46:07 PM
CBB1, France 2nd class BB laid down 1891 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   6 350 t light; 6 679 t standard; 7 482 t normal; 8 125 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (337.93 ft / 328.08 ft) x 59.06 ft (Bulges 65.62 ft) x (19.43 / 20.98 ft)
   (103.00 m / 100.00 m) x 18.00 m (Bulges 20.00 m)  x (5.92 / 6.40 m)

Armament:
      4 - 10.79" / 274 mm 40.0 cal guns - 601.55lbs / 272.86kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1891 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      6 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1891 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 250 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1891 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 2 938 lbs / 1 333 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 15.0" / 380 mm, 14.96 ft / 4.56 m torpedoes - 0.311 t each, 0.623 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 15.0" / 380 mm, 14.96 ft / 4.56 m torpedoes - 0.311 t each, 0.623 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.87" / 200 mm   246.06 ft / 75.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm     55.77 ft / 17.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     26.25 ft / 8.00 m Unarmoured ends
     Main Belt covers 115 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.45" / 240 mm   2.36" / 60 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   1.57" / 40 mm         -         1.57" / 40 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.97" / 50 mm
   Forecastle: 1.18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1.18" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 7.87" / 200 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 10 300 ihp / 7 684 Kw = 18.00 kts
   Range 5 800nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 445 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   401 - 522

Cost:
   £0.728 million / $2.910 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 475 tons, 6.3 %
      - Guns: 472 tons, 6.3 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 1 619 tons, 21.6 %
      - Belts: 734 tons, 9.8 %
      - Armament: 320 tons, 4.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 500 tons, 6.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 65 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 2 000 tons, 26.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 225 tons, 29.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 132 tons, 15.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 32 tons, 0.4 %
      - Hull below water: 12 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 20 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5 715 lbs / 2 592 Kg = 9.1 x 10.8 " / 274 mm shells or 4.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.52
   Metacentric height 4.6 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 12.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.28
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.15

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.626 / 0.630
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.11 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 62
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -30.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Forward deck:   35.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Average freeboard:      11.63 ft / 3.55 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 115.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 81.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 14 518 Square feet or 1 349 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 96 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 117 lbs/sq ft or 572 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.90
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on June 23, 2014, 05:01:49 PM
CBB2, France 2nd class BB laid down 1894 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   6 375 t light; 6 704 t standard; 7 509 t normal; 8 152 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (337.93 ft / 328.08 ft) x 59.06 ft (Bulges 65.62 ft) x (19.50 / 21.05 ft)
   (103.00 m / 100.00 m) x 18.00 m (Bulges 20.00 m)  x (5.94 / 6.42 m)

Armament:
      4 - 10.79" / 274 mm 40.0 cal guns - 601.55lbs / 272.86kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1894 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      6 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1894 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 250 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1894 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 2 938 lbs / 1 333 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 15.0" / 380 mm, 14.96 ft / 4.56 m torpedoes - 0.311 t each, 0.623 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 15.0" / 380 mm, 14.96 ft / 4.56 m torpedoes - 0.311 t each, 0.623 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.87" / 200 mm   246.06 ft / 75.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm     55.77 ft / 17.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     26.25 ft / 8.00 m Unarmoured ends
     Main Belt covers 115 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.45" / 240 mm   2.36" / 60 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   1.57" / 40 mm         -         1.57" / 40 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.36" / 60 mm
   Forecastle: 1.18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1.18" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 7.87" / 200 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 10 321 ihp / 7 699 Kw = 18.00 kts
   Range 5 800nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 448 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   403 - 524

Cost:
   £0.729 million / $2.916 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 475 tons, 6.3 %
      - Guns: 472 tons, 6.3 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 1 709 tons, 22.8 %
      - Belts: 734 tons, 9.8 %
      - Armament: 320 tons, 4.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 590 tons, 7.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 65 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 2 004 tons, 26.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 155 tons, 28.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 134 tons, 15.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 32 tons, 0.4 %
      - Hull below water: 12 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 20 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5 761 lbs / 2 613 Kg = 9.2 x 10.8 " / 274 mm shells or 4.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.52
   Metacentric height 4.6 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 12.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.28
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.16

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.626 / 0.630
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.11 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 62
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -30.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Forward deck:   35.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Average freeboard:      11.63 ft / 3.55 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 115.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 81.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 14 518 Square feet or 1 349 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 114 lbs/sq ft or 555 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.91
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on June 23, 2014, 05:30:13 PM
CBB3, France 2nd class BB laid down 1896

Displacement:
   6 400 t light; 6 743 t standard; 7 487 t normal; 8 082 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (334.65 ft / 334.65 ft) x 62.34 ft (Bulges 65.62 ft) x (19.37 / 20.72 ft)
   (102.00 m / 102.00 m) x 19.00 m (Bulges 20.00 m)  x (5.91 / 6.31 m)

Armament:
      4 - 10.79" / 274 mm 40.0 cal guns - 601.55lbs / 272.86kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1896 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1896 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 250 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 3 107 lbs / 1 409 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m torpedoes - 0.542 t each, 1.084 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m torpedoes - 0.542 t each, 1.084 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.06" / 230 mm   229.66 ft / 70.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
   Ends:   4.72" / 120 mm     78.74 ft / 24.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     26.25 ft / 8.00 m Unarmoured ends
     Main Belt covers 106 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.45" / 240 mm   2.36" / 60 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   1.57" / 40 mm         -         1.57" / 40 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.56" / 65 mm
   Forecastle: 1.38" / 35 mm  Quarter deck: 1.38" / 35 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9.06" / 230 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 10 200 ihp / 7 610 Kw = 18.02 kts
   Range 6 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 339 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   402 - 523

Cost:
   £0.695 million / $2.781 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 502 tons, 6.7 %
      - Guns: 498 tons, 6.6 %
      - Weapons: 4 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 1 945 tons, 26.0 %
      - Belts: 850 tons, 11.4 %
      - Armament: 343 tons, 4.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 677 tons, 9.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 75 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 1 700 tons, 22.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 220 tons, 29.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 087 tons, 14.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 34 tons, 0.5 %
      - Hull below water: 12 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 22 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     7 408 lbs / 3 360 Kg = 11.8 x 10.8 " / 274 mm shells or 3.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.51
   Metacentric height 5.0 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 12.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.32
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.28

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.616 / 0.622
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.10 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.29 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   18.00 %,  15.09 ft / 4.60 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Forward deck:   32.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  12.47 ft / 3.80 m
      - Aft deck:   34.00 %,  12.47 ft / 3.80 m,  12.47 ft / 3.80 m
      - Quarter deck:   16.00 %,  12.47 ft / 3.80 m,  12.47 ft / 3.80 m
      - Average freeboard:      12.83 ft / 3.91 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 103.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 92.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 15 486 Square feet or 1 439 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 112 lbs/sq ft or 549 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.07
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: The Rock Doctor on June 23, 2014, 05:39:22 PM
So...these are just early battleships, or they're purpose-built at the same time as your main battleline, for other functions?
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on June 23, 2014, 05:54:48 PM
CBB4, France 2nd class BB laid down 1898 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   6 510 t light; 6 899 t standard; 7 784 t normal; 8 492 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (334.65 ft / 334.65 ft) x 63.65 ft (Bulges 66.93 ft) x (19.43 / 20.98 ft)
   (102.00 m / 102.00 m) x 19.40 m (Bulges 20.40 m)  x (5.92 / 6.40 m)

Armament:
      4 - 10.79" / 274 mm 40.0 cal guns - 601.55lbs / 272.86kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1898 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 6.46" / 164 mm 45.0 cal guns - 135.73lbs / 61.57kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1898 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 8.45lbs / 3.83kg shells, 250 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 3 560 lbs / 1 615 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m torpedoes - 0.542 t each, 1.084 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m torpedoes - 0.542 t each, 1.084 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.06" / 230 mm   229.66 ft / 70.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
   Ends:   4.72" / 120 mm     78.74 ft / 24.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     26.25 ft / 8.00 m Unarmoured ends
     Main Belt covers 106 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.45" / 240 mm   2.36" / 60 mm      9.06" / 230 mm
   2nd:   1.57" / 40 mm         -         1.57" / 40 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.56" / 65 mm
   Forecastle: 1.38" / 35 mm  Quarter deck: 1.38" / 35 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9.06" / 230 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 10 530 ihp / 7 855 Kw = 18.02 kts
   Range 7 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 592 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   413 - 538

Cost:
   £0.713 million / $2.851 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 568 tons, 7.3 %
      - Guns: 563 tons, 7.2 %
      - Weapons: 4 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 2 005 tons, 25.8 %
      - Belts: 854 tons, 11.0 %
      - Armament: 378 tons, 4.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 697 tons, 9.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 77 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 1 645 tons, 21.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 230 tons, 28.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 274 tons, 16.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 62 tons, 0.8 %
      - Hull below water: 12 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 50 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     8 199 lbs / 3 719 Kg = 13.1 x 10.8 " / 274 mm shells or 3.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.51
   Metacentric height 5.1 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 12.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.33
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.26

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.626 / 0.632
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.29 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   18.00 %,  15.09 ft / 4.60 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Forward deck:   32.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  12.47 ft / 3.80 m
      - Aft deck:   34.00 %,  12.47 ft / 3.80 m,  12.47 ft / 3.80 m
      - Quarter deck:   16.00 %,  12.47 ft / 3.80 m,  12.47 ft / 3.80 m
      - Average freeboard:      12.83 ft / 3.91 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 100.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 92.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 15 960 Square feet or 1 483 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 112 lbs/sq ft or 549 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.10
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on June 25, 2014, 11:14:42 AM
Marignan-Rocroi, France BB1 laid down 1890

Displacement:
   10 900 t light; 11 464 t standard; 12 777 t normal; 13 828 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (385.02 ft / 374.02 ft) x 65.62 ft (Bulges 72.18 ft) x (26.05 / 28.03 ft)
   (117.35 m / 114.00 m) x 20.00 m (Bulges 22.00 m)  x (7.94 / 8.54 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.01" / 305 mm 35.0 cal guns - 811.72lbs / 368.19kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1890 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      10 - 5.51" / 140 mm 40.0 cal guns - 80.25lbs / 36.40kg shells, 180 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1890 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 29.23lbs / 13.26kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      8 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 8.44lbs / 3.83kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4 351 lbs / 1 974 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 15.0" / 380 mm, 14.96 ft / 4.56 m torpedoes - 0.267 t each, 0.535 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   242.78 ft / 74.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   5.91" / 150 mm     98.43 ft / 30.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     32.81 ft / 10.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   242.78 ft / 74.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      13.0" / 330 mm
   2nd:   1.77" / 45 mm   0.79" / 20 mm      1.77" / 45 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.36" / 60 mm
   Forecastle: 1.18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1.18" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 12.99" / 330 mm, Aft 7.09" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 13 648 ihp / 10 182 Kw = 18.05 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 365 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   600 - 781

Cost:
   £1.036 million / $4.143 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 608 tons, 4.8 %
      - Guns: 607 tons, 4.7 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 3 971 tons, 31.1 %
      - Belts: 2 228 tons, 17.4 %
      - Armament: 753 tons, 5.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 754 tons, 5.9 %
      - Conning Towers: 236 tons, 1.9 %
   Machinery: 2 650 tons, 20.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 619 tons, 28.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 877 tons, 14.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 52 tons, 0.4 %
      - Hull below water: 6 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 16 tons
      - Above deck: 30 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     13 980 lbs / 6 341 Kg = 16.1 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 9.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.36
   Metacentric height 4.5 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 14.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.42
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.51

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.636 / 0.640
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.18 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.34 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -30.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Forward deck:   35.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.11 ft / 4.91 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 89.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 96.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 18 560 Square feet or 1 724 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 135 lbs/sq ft or 661 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.51
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on June 25, 2014, 11:17:32 AM
Tolbiac-Bouvines, France BB2 laid down 1892

Displacement:
   11 730 t light; 12 426 t standard; 13 750 t normal; 14 809 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (391.58 ft / 380.58 ft) x 68.24 ft (Bulges 74.80 ft) x (26.58 / 28.47 ft)
   (119.35 m / 116.00 m) x 20.80 m (Bulges 22.80 m)  x (8.10 / 8.68 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.01" / 305 mm 35.0 cal guns - 811.72lbs / 368.19kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1892 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      10 - 7.64" / 194 mm 40.0 cal guns - 213.52lbs / 96.85kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1892 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 29.23lbs / 13.26kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1892 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      16 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 8.44lbs / 3.83kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1892 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1892 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5 751 lbs / 2 609 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 15.0" / 380 mm, 14.96 ft / 4.56 m torpedoes - 0.289 t each, 0.577 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.4" / 340 mm   242.78 ft / 74.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   5.91" / 150 mm     98.43 ft / 30.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     39.37 ft / 12.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   242.78 ft / 74.00 m   10.50 ft / 3.20 m
     Main Belt covers 98 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.4" / 340 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      13.4" / 340 mm
   2nd:   1.77" / 45 mm   0.79" / 20 mm      1.77" / 45 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.76" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.38" / 35 mm  Quarter deck: 1.38" / 35 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 12.99" / 330 mm, Aft 7.09" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 14 400 ihp / 10 742 Kw = 18.11 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 384 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   634 - 825

Cost:
   £1.136 million / $4.546 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 791 tons, 5.8 %
      - Guns: 790 tons, 5.7 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 4 299 tons, 31.3 %
      - Belts: 2 329 tons, 16.9 %
      - Armament: 828 tons, 6.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 893 tons, 6.5 %
      - Conning Towers: 248 tons, 1.8 %
   Machinery: 2 743 tons, 19.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 832 tons, 27.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 020 tons, 14.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 66 tons, 0.5 %
      - Hull below water: 6 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 30 tons
      - Above deck: 30 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     15 284 lbs / 6 933 Kg = 17.7 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 9.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.37
   Metacentric height 4.9 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 14.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 81 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.49
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.62

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.636 / 0.640
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.09 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.51 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.27 ft / 5.26 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 89.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 100.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 19 641 Square feet or 1 825 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 139 lbs/sq ft or 677 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.73
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on June 25, 2014, 11:21:26 AM
Malplaquet-Denain, France BB3 laid down 1895

Displacement:
   12 300 t light; 13 050 t standard; 14 338 t normal; 15 368 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (391.42 ft / 387.14 ft) x 68.90 ft (Bulges 75.46 ft) x (27.01 / 28.80 ft)
   (119.30 m / 118.00 m) x 21.00 m (Bulges 23.00 m)  x (8.23 / 8.78 m)

Armament:
      4 - 13.39" / 340 mm 40.0 cal guns - 1 149.36lbs / 521.34kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1895 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 6.46" / 164 mm 40.0 cal guns - 128.99lbs / 58.51kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 29.23lbs / 13.26kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
      16 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 8.44lbs / 3.83kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 raised mounts
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 6 631 lbs / 3 008 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m torpedoes - 0.524 t each, 1.048 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m torpedoes - 0.524 t each, 1.048 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.4" / 340 mm   242.78 ft / 74.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   5.91" / 150 mm     98.43 ft / 30.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     45.93 ft / 14.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   242.78 ft / 74.00 m   10.50 ft / 3.20 m
     Main Belt covers 96 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.4" / 340 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      13.4" / 340 mm
   2nd:   1.77" / 45 mm   0.79" / 20 mm      1.77" / 45 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.76" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.38" / 35 mm  Quarter deck: 1.38" / 35 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 12.99" / 330 mm, Aft 7.09" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 14 670 ihp / 10 943 Kw = 18.11 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 319 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   654 - 851

Cost:
   £1.279 million / $5.116 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 994 tons, 6.9 %
      - Guns: 990 tons, 6.9 %
      - Weapons: 4 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 4 449 tons, 31.0 %
      - Belts: 2 336 tons, 16.3 %
      - Armament: 941 tons, 6.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 917 tons, 6.4 %
      - Conning Towers: 255 tons, 1.8 %
   Machinery: 2 717 tons, 18.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 048 tons, 28.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 038 tons, 14.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 92 tons, 0.6 %
      - Hull below water: 12 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 35 tons
      - Above deck: 45 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     14 816 lbs / 6 721 Kg = 12.4 x 13.4 " / 340 mm shells or 4.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.32
   Metacentric height 4.7 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 14.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 79 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.59
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.59

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.636 / 0.639
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.13 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.68 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.27 ft / 5.26 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 93.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 100.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 20 172 Square feet or 1 874 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 144 lbs/sq ft or 701 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.89
      - Longitudinal: 2.74
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on June 25, 2014, 11:24:12 AM
Fontenoy-Valmy, France BB4 laid down 1897

Displacement:
   12 900 t light; 13 752 t standard; 15 221 t normal; 16 395 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (411.11 ft / 406.82 ft) x 70.87 ft (Bulges 77.43 ft) x (27.02 / 28.92 ft)
   (125.30 m / 124.00 m) x 21.60 m (Bulges 23.60 m)  x (8.23 / 8.81 m)

Armament:
      4 - 13.39" / 340 mm 40.0 cal guns - 1 149.36lbs / 521.34kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1897 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 7.64" / 194 mm 40.0 cal guns - 213.52lbs / 96.85kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1897 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 29.23lbs / 13.26kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1897 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
      16 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 8.44lbs / 3.83kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 7 646 lbs / 3 468 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m torpedoes - 0.561 t each, 1.121 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m torpedoes - 0.561 t each, 1.121 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.4" / 340 mm   269.03 ft / 82.00 m   10.50 ft / 3.20 m
   Ends:   5.91" / 150 mm     98.43 ft / 30.00 m   10.50 ft / 3.20 m
     39.37 ft / 12.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   269.03 ft / 82.00 m   10.50 ft / 3.20 m
     Main Belt covers 102 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.4" / 340 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      13.4" / 340 mm
   2nd:   1.77" / 45 mm   0.79" / 20 mm      1.77" / 45 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.95" / 75 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13.39" / 340 mm, Aft 7.09" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 14 863 ihp / 11 088 Kw = 18.10 kts
   Range 8 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 643 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   684 - 890

Cost:
   £1.303 million / $5.211 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 123 tons, 7.4 %
      - Guns: 1 119 tons, 7.3 %
      - Weapons: 4 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 4 950 tons, 32.5 %
      - Belts: 2 641 tons, 17.4 %
      - Armament: 977 tons, 6.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 1 062 tons, 7.0 %
      - Conning Towers: 271 tons, 1.8 %
   Machinery: 2 437 tons, 16.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 284 tons, 28.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 321 tons, 15.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 106 tons, 0.7 %
      - Hull below water: 16 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 45 tons
      - Above deck: 45 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     17 629 lbs / 7 996 Kg = 14.7 x 13.4 " / 340 mm shells or 5.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.32
   Metacentric height 4.9 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 14.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 87 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.66
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.74

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.626 / 0.630
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.25 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.17 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m,  17.72 ft / 5.40 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  17.72 ft / 5.40 m,  17.72 ft / 5.40 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  17.72 ft / 5.40 m,  17.72 ft / 5.40 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  17.72 ft / 5.40 m,  17.72 ft / 5.40 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.87 ft / 5.45 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 106.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 21 602 Square feet or 2 007 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 144 lbs/sq ft or 704 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.89
      - Longitudinal: 2.68
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: snip on June 25, 2014, 11:25:07 AM
Check your engine years.  ;D
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on June 25, 2014, 01:42:54 PM
Oups

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Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on June 25, 2014, 01:43:32 PM
Re SS BB2

Tolbiac-Bouvines, France BB2 laid down 1892 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   11 730 t light; 12 427 t standard; 13 804 t normal; 14 906 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (391.42 ft / 380.58 ft) x 68.24 ft (Bulges 74.80 ft) x (26.68 / 28.65 ft)
   (119.30 m / 116.00 m) x 20.80 m (Bulges 22.80 m)  x (8.13 / 8.73 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.01" / 305 mm 35.0 cal guns - 811.72lbs / 368.19kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1892 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      10 - 7.64" / 194 mm 40.0 cal guns - 213.52lbs / 96.85kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1892 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 29.23lbs / 13.26kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1892 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      16 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 8.44lbs / 3.83kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1892 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1892 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5 751 lbs / 2 609 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 15.0" / 380 mm, 14.96 ft / 4.56 m torpedoes - 0.289 t each, 0.577 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.4" / 340 mm   242.78 ft / 74.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   5.91" / 150 mm     98.43 ft / 30.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     39.37 ft / 12.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   242.78 ft / 74.00 m   10.50 ft / 3.20 m
     Main Belt covers 98 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.4" / 340 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      13.4" / 340 mm
   2nd:   1.77" / 45 mm   0.79" / 20 mm      1.77" / 45 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.76" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.38" / 35 mm  Quarter deck: 1.38" / 35 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 12.99" / 330 mm, Aft 7.09" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 14 200 ihp / 10 593 Kw = 18.03 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 479 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   636 - 827

Cost:
   £1.138 million / $4.554 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 791 tons, 5.7 %
      - Guns: 790 tons, 5.7 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 4 304 tons, 31.2 %
      - Belts: 2 334 tons, 16.9 %
      - Armament: 828 tons, 6.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 893 tons, 6.5 %
      - Conning Towers: 249 tons, 1.8 %
   Machinery: 2 757 tons, 20.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 822 tons, 27.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 074 tons, 15.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 56 tons, 0.4 %
      - Hull below water: 6 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 20 tons
      - Above deck: 30 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     15 305 lbs / 6 942 Kg = 17.7 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 9.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.38
   Metacentric height 4.9 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 14.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 82 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.49
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.63

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.636 / 0.640
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.09 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.51 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.27 ft / 5.26 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 89.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 100.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 19 641 Square feet or 1 825 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 138 lbs/sq ft or 675 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.89
      - Longitudinal: 2.73
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on June 25, 2014, 05:03:21 PM
Re SS B3

Malplaquet-Denain, France BB3 laid down 1895 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   12 350 t light; 13 082 t standard; 14 501 t normal; 15 637 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (391.42 ft / 387.14 ft) x 69.55 ft (Bulges 76.12 ft) x (27.08 / 29.03 ft)
   (119.30 m / 118.00 m) x 21.20 m (Bulges 23.20 m)  x (8.25 / 8.85 m)

Armament:
      4 - 13.39" / 340 mm 40.0 cal guns - 1 149.36lbs / 521.34kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1895 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      10 - 6.46" / 164 mm 40.0 cal guns - 128.99lbs / 58.51kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 29.23lbs / 13.26kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
      16 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 8.44lbs / 3.83kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 raised mounts
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 6 373 lbs / 2 891 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m torpedoes - 0.524 t each, 1.048 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m torpedoes - 0.524 t each, 1.048 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.4" / 340 mm   242.78 ft / 74.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   5.91" / 150 mm     98.43 ft / 30.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     45.93 ft / 14.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   242.78 ft / 74.00 m   10.50 ft / 3.20 m
     Main Belt covers 96 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.4" / 340 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      13.4" / 340 mm
   2nd:   1.77" / 45 mm   0.79" / 20 mm      1.77" / 45 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.76" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.38" / 35 mm  Quarter deck: 1.38" / 35 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 12.99" / 330 mm, Aft 7.09" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 14 450 ihp / 10 780 Kw = 18.00 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 556 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   659 - 858

Cost:
   £1.282 million / $5.130 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 960 tons, 6.6 %
      - Guns: 956 tons, 6.6 %
      - Weapons: 4 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 4 452 tons, 30.7 %
      - Belts: 2 339 tons, 16.1 %
      - Armament: 930 tons, 6.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 926 tons, 6.4 %
      - Conning Towers: 257 tons, 1.8 %
   Machinery: 2 806 tons, 19.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 074 tons, 28.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 151 tons, 14.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 57 tons, 0.4 %
      - Hull below water: 12 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 20 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     15 046 lbs / 6 825 Kg = 12.5 x 13.4 " / 340 mm shells or 4.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.33
   Metacentric height 4.8 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 14.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 80 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.55
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.61

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.636 / 0.640
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.09 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.68 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.27 ft / 5.26 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 93.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 100.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 20 364 Square feet or 1 892 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 143 lbs/sq ft or 698 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.89
      - Longitudinal: 2.73
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on June 25, 2014, 05:11:03 PM
Re SS BB4

Fontenoy-Valmy, France BB4 laid down 1897 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   12 975 t light; 13 758 t standard; 15 331 t normal; 16 589 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (411.11 ft / 406.82 ft) x 72.18 ft (Bulges 78.74 ft) x (26.76 / 28.76 ft)
   (125.30 m / 124.00 m) x 22.00 m (Bulges 24.00 m)  x (8.16 / 8.77 m)

Armament:
      4 - 13.39" / 340 mm 40.0 cal guns - 1 149.36lbs / 521.34kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1897 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 7.64" / 194 mm 40.0 cal guns - 213.52lbs / 96.85kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1897 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 29.23lbs / 13.26kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1897 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
      16 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 8.44lbs / 3.83kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 6 792 lbs / 3 081 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m torpedoes - 0.561 t each, 1.121 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m torpedoes - 0.561 t each, 1.121 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.4" / 340 mm   255.91 ft / 78.00 m   10.50 ft / 3.20 m
   Ends:   5.91" / 150 mm   111.55 ft / 34.00 m   10.50 ft / 3.20 m
     39.37 ft / 12.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   255.91 ft / 78.00 m   10.50 ft / 3.20 m
     Main Belt covers 97 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.4" / 340 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      13.4" / 340 mm
   2nd:   1.77" / 45 mm   0.79" / 20 mm      1.77" / 45 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.95" / 75 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13.39" / 340 mm, Aft 7.09" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 14 638 ihp / 10 920 Kw = 18.00 kts
   Range 7 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 831 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   688 - 895

Cost:
   £1.308 million / $5.233 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 012 tons, 6.6 %
      - Guns: 1 008 tons, 6.6 %
      - Weapons: 4 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 4 869 tons, 31.8 %
      - Belts: 2 590 tons, 16.9 %
      - Armament: 926 tons, 6.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 1 081 tons, 7.1 %
      - Conning Towers: 272 tons, 1.8 %
   Machinery: 2 711 tons, 17.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 277 tons, 27.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 356 tons, 15.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 106 tons, 0.7 %
      - Hull below water: 16 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 45 tons
      - Above deck: 45 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     17 274 lbs / 7 835 Kg = 14.4 x 13.4 " / 340 mm shells or 5.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.36
   Metacentric height 5.3 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 14.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 85 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.52
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.70

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.626 / 0.630
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.17 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.17 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.27 ft / 5.26 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 87.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 103.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 22 002 Square feet or 2 044 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 142 lbs/sq ft or 692 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.50
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on June 25, 2014, 05:17:24 PM
Update the canonnière from 85 to 88 tons

Canonnière Fluviale, France Becquey laid down 1892 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   88 t light; 105 t standard; 107 t normal; 109 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (100.07 ft / 100.07 ft) x 16.40 ft x (3.81 / 3.87 ft)
   (30.50 m / 30.50 m) x 5.00 m  x (1.16 / 1.18 m)

Armament:
      1 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal gun - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing gun in deck mount, 1892 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck centre
      2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.20lbs / 1.45kg shells, 300 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1892 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck centre
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 60.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1892 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 91 lbs / 41 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 0.79" / 20 mm
   Forecastle: 0.79" / 20 mm  Quarter deck: 0.79" / 20 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 100 ihp / 75 Kw = 9.70 kts
   Range 500nm at 6.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   16 - 21

Cost:
   £0.010 million / $0.041 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 16 tons, 14.8 %
      - Guns: 16 tons, 14.8 %
   Armour: 20 tons, 18.8 %
      - Armament: 3 tons, 2.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 17 tons, 16.1 %
   Machinery: 19 tons, 18.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 31 tons, 29.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 20 tons, 18.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 1 tons, 0.9 %
      - Hull below water: 1 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     116 lbs / 52 Kg = 1.4 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.61
   Metacentric height 0.7 ft / 0.2 m
   Roll period: 8.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.32
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.29

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.602
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.10 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 10.00 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  5.91 ft / 1.80 m,  5.91 ft / 1.80 m
      - Forward deck:   35.00 %,  3.28 ft / 1.00 m,  3.28 ft / 1.00 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  3.28 ft / 1.00 m,  3.28 ft / 1.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   10.00 %,  3.28 ft / 1.00 m,  3.28 ft / 1.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      3.67 ft / 1.12 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 109.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 36.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 1 174 Square feet or 109 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 27 lbs/sq ft or 130 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.61
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Extremely poor accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on June 25, 2014, 05:20:17 PM
 :)  :)  :)

Finish  the French Navy

431 974t for 432 000t & 226 ships

Jef  ;)
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: The Rock Doctor on June 25, 2014, 05:27:07 PM
Good job!

One note - I think the largest 34 cm gun you can have at this point is 35 calibres...

Unless it's a historical mounting, that is.  I don't know French hardware very well.
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: snip on June 25, 2014, 05:46:53 PM
Seeing as a look at NavWeaps give no 340mm guns of that caliber (only a L45 introduced in 1912), you will need to downsize them to L35 at the longest. If you are basing these on a historical weapon, please share your data with us.
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Kaiser Kirk on June 25, 2014, 07:49:54 PM
Quote from: Jefgte on June 25, 2014, 05:20:17 PM
:)  :)  :)

Finish  the French Navy

431 974t for 432 000t & 226 ships

Jef  ;)

Wow, nice job.
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on June 28, 2014, 03:12:46 AM
BB Brennus had 340-42cal mlle 1887

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_battleship_Brennus

Jef
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: snip on June 28, 2014, 09:30:26 AM
Then you must use the historic length and shell weight. Otherwise they need to be L35s. Conways confirms that the guns did exist, but I cannot find more info on them. My guess is you may have better access to French sources then I do, so if you could turn up more information that would be great.
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on June 28, 2014, 04:33:32 PM
I prefer re SS BB3 & BB4 with 340/35cal & stronger secondary artillery.

Jef  ;)
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on June 29, 2014, 10:53:30 AM
Malplaquet-Denain, France BB3 laid down 1895 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   12 350 t light; 13 140 t standard; 14 563 t normal; 15 702 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (391.42 ft / 387.14 ft) x 69.55 ft (Bulges 76.12 ft) x (27.20 / 29.15 ft)
   (119.30 m / 118.00 m) x 21.20 m (Bulges 23.20 m)  x (8.29 / 8.89 m)

Armament:
      4 - 13.39" / 340 mm 35.0 cal guns - 1 124.47lbs / 510.05kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1895 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      10 - 7.64" / 194 mm 40.0 cal guns - 213.52lbs / 96.85kg shells, 145 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 29.23lbs / 13.26kg shells, 240 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
      16 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 8.44lbs / 3.83kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 raised mounts
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 7 119 lbs / 3 229 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m torpedoes - 0.524 t each, 1.048 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m torpedoes - 0.524 t each, 1.048 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.4" / 340 mm   242.78 ft / 74.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   5.91" / 150 mm     98.43 ft / 30.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     45.93 ft / 14.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   242.78 ft / 74.00 m   10.50 ft / 3.20 m
     Main Belt covers 96 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.4" / 340 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      13.4" / 340 mm
   2nd:   1.77" / 45 mm   0.79" / 20 mm      1.77" / 45 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.76" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.38" / 35 mm  Quarter deck: 1.38" / 35 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 12.99" / 330 mm, Aft 7.09" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 14 486 ihp / 10 807 Kw = 18.00 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 562 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   662 - 861

Cost:
   £1.264 million / $5.055 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 966 tons, 6.6 %
      - Guns: 962 tons, 6.6 %
      - Weapons: 4 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 4 450 tons, 30.6 %
      - Belts: 2 339 tons, 16.1 %
      - Armament: 926 tons, 6.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 926 tons, 6.4 %
      - Conning Towers: 258 tons, 1.8 %
   Machinery: 2 813 tons, 19.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 065 tons, 27.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 213 tons, 15.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 57 tons, 0.4 %
      - Hull below water: 12 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 20 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     15 258 lbs / 6 921 Kg = 12.7 x 13.4 " / 340 mm shells or 4.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.36
   Metacentric height 5.0 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 14.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 80 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.57
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.59

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.636 / 0.640
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.09 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.68 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m,  16.73 ft / 5.10 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.73 ft / 5.10 m,  16.73 ft / 5.10 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  16.73 ft / 5.10 m,  16.73 ft / 5.10 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  16.73 ft / 5.10 m,  16.73 ft / 5.10 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.97 ft / 5.17 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 92.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 98.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 20 364 Square feet or 1 892 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 144 lbs/sq ft or 703 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.89
      - Longitudinal: 2.74
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on June 29, 2014, 10:54:12 AM
Fontenoy-Valmy, France BB4 laid down 1897 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   12 975 t light; 13 789 t standard; 15 364 t normal; 16 624 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (411.11 ft / 406.82 ft) x 72.18 ft (Bulges 78.74 ft) x (26.82 / 28.82 ft)
   (125.30 m / 124.00 m) x 22.00 m (Bulges 24.00 m)  x (8.17 / 8.78 m)

Armament:
      4 - 13.39" / 340 mm 35.0 cal guns - 1 124.47lbs / 510.05kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1897 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      10 - 7.64" / 194 mm 40.0 cal guns - 213.52lbs / 96.85kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1897 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 29.23lbs / 13.26kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1897 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
      16 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 8.44lbs / 3.83kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 7 119 lbs / 3 229 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m torpedoes - 0.561 t each, 1.121 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m torpedoes - 0.561 t each, 1.121 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.4" / 340 mm   255.91 ft / 78.00 m   10.50 ft / 3.20 m
   Ends:   5.91" / 150 mm   111.55 ft / 34.00 m   10.50 ft / 3.20 m
     39.37 ft / 12.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   255.91 ft / 78.00 m   10.50 ft / 3.20 m
     Main Belt covers 97 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.4" / 340 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      13.4" / 340 mm
   2nd:   1.77" / 45 mm   0.79" / 20 mm      1.77" / 45 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.95" / 75 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13.39" / 340 mm, Aft 7.09" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 14 700 ihp / 10 966 Kw = 18.01 kts
   Range 7 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 835 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   689 - 896

Cost:
   £1.273 million / $5.091 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 966 tons, 6.3 %
      - Guns: 962 tons, 6.3 %
      - Weapons: 4 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 4 882 tons, 31.8 %
      - Belts: 2 590 tons, 16.9 %
      - Armament: 939 tons, 6.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 1 081 tons, 7.0 %
      - Conning Towers: 273 tons, 1.8 %
   Machinery: 2 722 tons, 17.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 293 tons, 27.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 389 tons, 15.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 111 tons, 0.7 %
      - Hull below water: 16 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 45 tons
      - Above deck: 50 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     17 790 lbs / 8 069 Kg = 14.8 x 13.4 " / 340 mm shells or 5.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.37
   Metacentric height 5.4 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 14.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 85 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.53
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.70

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.626 / 0.630
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.17 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.17 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.27 ft / 5.26 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 85.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 103.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 22 002 Square feet or 2 044 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 142 lbs/sq ft or 694 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.54
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on July 02, 2014, 05:41:03 PM
Board of the Fleet ... in progress


QtyClassTonnageY LD
1BB1109001890
1BB1109001890
2AC162201890
4CL136001891
4CL136001891
2CBB163501891
6AT112501891
12TB11251892
12TB21351892
1BB2117301892
1BB2117301892
2AC270001893
4CP238001893
4CP238001893
2CBB263751894
6AT212751894
12TB31651894
12TB42351894
1BB3123501895
1BB3123501895
2AC395001895
2AC395001895
4CP341501896
4CP341501896
2CBB364001896
6AT313001896
12TB53501897
12TB53501897
1BB4129751897
1BB4129751897
2AC498401898
2AC498401898
2CBB465101898
0001899
12AT430001899
48Peniche881899
12TB63801899
12TB63801899
226431974

Total 226 ships => 431974t for 432000t max
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on July 03, 2014, 10:55:12 AM
Full board


QtyClassTonnageY LDTot tonnageNamesurv.ArmamentDimensionsSpeedrangeProtection
1BB110900189010900Marignan6345kg4x305+10x140+8x100+8x65117x22x818kts7000nmB330-150-D60-T330
1BB110900189010900Rocroi6345kg4x305+10x140+8x100+8x65117x22x818kts7000nmB330
2AC16220189012440Nerw-Wissen1758kg6x194+6x140+4x100+4Ttx380120x16x6.7520.17kts6500nmB100-D40
4CL13600189114400Danjout-Dufort1043kg4x140+6x100+4x47+4TTx380112x16x4.6420.16kts6000nmD30
4CL13600189114400Dentraigues-Duvilars1043kg4x140+6x100+4x47+4TTx380112x16x4.6420.16kts6000nmD30
2CBB163501891127002592kg4x274+6x140+8x47100x20x5.9218kts5800nmB200-100-D50-T240
6AT1125018917500238kg3x100+4x65+4TTx38070x10x3.8520.15kts2500nm
12TB11251892150013kg2x37+3TTx38038x4.6x1.8721.07kts250nm
12TB21351892162015kg2x37+3TTx38042x4.8x1.7821.26kts450nm
1BB211730189211730Tolbiac6950kg4x305+10x194+8x100+16x65119x22.8x8.1318.03kts7000nmB340-150-D70-T340
1BB211730189211730Bouvines6950kg4x305+10x194+8x100+16x65119x22.8x8.1318.03kts7000nmB340-150-D70-T340
2AC27000189314000Fontenoy-Valmy2108kg8x194+6x140+4x47+4TTx380130x17x6.4920.4kts6500nmB100-D40
4CP23800189315200Carmelia-Ceres1078kg4x140+4x100+4x47+4TTx380119x15x4.5220.42kts6000nmD30
4CP23800189315200Caliste-Cassandra1078kg4x140+4x100+4x47+4TTx380119x15x4.5220.42kts6000nmD30
2CBB263751894127502613kg4x274+6x140+4x47100x20x5.9418kts5800nmB200-100-D60-T240
6AT2127518947650247kg3x100+4x65+4TTx38070x10.28x3.8520.17kts2780nm
12TB31651894198020kg2x47+3TTx38148x5.46x1.7621.24kts1070nm
12TB42351894282027kg4x47+3TTx45054x6x223kts1000nm
1BB312350189512350Malplaquet6914kg4x340+10x194x12x100+16x65119x23.2x8.2918kts7000nmB340-150-D75-40-T340
1BB312350189512350Denain6914kg4x340+10x194x12x100+16x65119x23.2x8.2918kts7000nmB340-150-D75-40-T340
2AC39500189519000Castillon-Cocherel2756kg2T2x240+6x140+6x100+4TTx450152x19x6.5621.75kts6000nmB120-D40
2AC39500189519000Formigny- Baugé2756kg2T2x240+6x140+6x100+4TTx450152x19x6.5621.75kts6000nmB120-D40
4CP341501896166001056kg4x140+4x100+4x47+4TTx450120x15x4.7421.12kts6000nmD30
4CP341501896166001056kg4x140+4x100+4x47+4TTx450120x15x4.7421.12kts6000nmD30
2CBB364001896128003360kg4x274+8x140+8x47+4ttx450102x20x5.9118kts6000nmB230-120-D65-30-T240
6AT3130018967800253kg3x100+4x65+4TTx45070x10.4x3.9120.16kts3000nm
12TB53501897420034kg2x65+2x47+4TTx45063x7x2.2324kts1500nm
12TB53501897420034kg2x65+2x47+4TTx45063x7x2.2324kts1500nm
1BB412975189712975Fontenoy8069kg4x340+10x194x12x100+16x65125x23.6x8.1718kts7500nmB340-150-D75-40-T340
1BB412975189712975Valmy8069kg4x340+10x194x12x100+16x65125x23.6x8.1718kts7500nmB340-150-D75-40-T340
2AC498401898196703128kg2T2x240+6x164+8x47+4TTx450148x20x6.2122.1kts7000nmB120-D40
2AC498401898196703128kg2T2x240+6x164+8x47+4TTx450148x20x6.2122.1kts7000nmB120-D40
2CBB465101898130203719kg4x274+8x164+8x65+4ttx450102x20.4x5.9218kts7500nmB230-120-D65-30-T240
12AT430001899360001087kg6x140+4x100+4x47+4TTx450120x15x4.8222.13kts7000nm
48Peniche881899422452kg1x140+1x4730.5x5x1.169.7500nm
12TB63801899456041kg4x65+4TTx45066x7.33x2.2824.35kts2500nm
12TB63801899456041kg4x65+4TTx45066x7.33x2.2824.35kts2500nm
226431974max=>432000
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on July 10, 2014, 05:27:01 PM
Update for the TB classes.
Just 5 classes built, not 6:



12TB11251892150013kg2x37+3TTx38038x4.6x1.8721.07kts250nm
12TB11251892150013kg2x37+3TTx38038x4.6x1.8721.07kts250nm
12TB22351894282027kg4x47+3TTx45054x6x223kts1000nm
12TB22351894282027kg4x47+3TTx45054x6x223kts1000nm
12TB33501897420034kg2x65+2x47+4TTx45063x7x2.2324kts1500nm
12TB33501897420034kg2x65+2x47+4TTx45063x7x2.2324kts1500nm
12TB43801899456041kg4x65+4TTx45066x7.33x2.2824.35kts2500nm
12TB43801899456041kg4x65+4TTx45066x7.33x2.2824.35kts2500nm
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on July 16, 2014, 03:50:26 PM
Chaumont, France collier laid down 1894 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   3 000 t light; 3 071 t standard; 3 532 t normal; 3 900 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (295.28 ft / 295.28 ft) x 59.06 ft x (11.81 / 12.82 ft)
   (90.00 m / 90.00 m) x 18.00 m  x (3.60 / 3.91 m)

Armament:
      2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.20lbs / 1.45kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1894 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward
      Weight of broadside 6 lbs / 3 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 1 493 ihp / 1 114 Kw = 12.00 kts
   Range 5 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 828 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   228 - 297

Cost:
   £0.146 million / $0.584 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 tons, 0.0 %
      - Guns: 1 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 2 tons, 0.1 %
      - Armament: 2 tons, 0.1 %
   Machinery: 290 tons, 8.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 107 tons, 31.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 531 tons, 15.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 1 600 tons, 45.3 %
      - Hull below water: 750 tons
      - Hull above water: 750 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 100 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     7 910 lbs / 3 588 Kg = 2 497.0 x 1.9 " / 47 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.71
   Metacentric height 5.5 ft / 1.7 m
   Roll period: 10.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.610
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.18 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 32 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  18.70 ft / 5.70 m,  18.70 ft / 5.70 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m
      - Average freeboard:      15.55 ft / 4.74 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 73.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 156.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 12 754 Square feet or 1 185 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 162 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 65 lbs/sq ft or 316 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.15
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

misc weight; 1600t
1500t of coal
100t of different store

Chaumont
Amboise
Chambord
Versailles
Blois
Chenonceau
Langeais
Valencay
Cheverny
Azay le rideau

cost: 0.75BP x 10 = 7.5BP
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on July 16, 2014, 04:25:13 PM
Ville d'Alger, France Troop Transport laid down 1896 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   6 900 t light; 7 059 t standard; 7 929 t normal; 8 624 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (393.70 ft / 393.70 ft) x 65.62 ft x (17.90 / 19.19 ft)
   (120.00 m / 120.00 m) x 20.00 m  x (5.46 / 5.85 m)

Armament:
      2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward
      Weight of broadside 6 lbs / 3 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 9 777 ihp / 7 293 Kw = 18.00 kts
   Range 6 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 565 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   419 - 546

Cost:
   £0.508 million / $2.031 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 tons, 0.0 %
      - Guns: 1 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 2 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 2 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 1 898 tons, 23.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 999 tons, 25.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 028 tons, 13.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 3 000 tons, 37.8 %
      - Hull below water: 500 tons
      - Hull above water: 1 700 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 800 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     7 987 lbs / 3 623 Kg = 2 521.4 x 1.9 " / 47 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.45
   Metacentric height 5.1 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 12.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 96 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.92

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.609
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  18.04 ft / 5.50 m,  18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  14.11 ft / 4.30 m,  14.11 ft / 4.30 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  14.11 ft / 4.30 m,  14.11 ft / 4.30 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  14.11 ft / 4.30 m,  14.11 ft / 4.30 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.90 ft / 4.54 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 108.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 121.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 18 894 Square feet or 1 755 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 117 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 77 lbs/sq ft or 376 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.43
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

misc weight; 3000t for 1500 soldiers

Ville d'Alger
Ville d'Oran
Ville de Dakar
Ville de Saigon
Ville de Diego Suarez
Ville de Pointe à Pitre

cost: 1.725BP x 6 = 10.35BP
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: The Rock Doctor on July 16, 2014, 04:34:52 PM
Those transports are really fast.  Do they need to be?  You could replace some of that machinery with more troop/cargo capacity or scale down their size and cost.
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on July 16, 2014, 05:19:40 PM
They have escort speed (battleships).
Higher speed give better protection vs enemy warships.
Fast transport could be an advantage in colonial conquest.

Jef
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on July 16, 2014, 05:24:28 PM
Loire, France Transport laid down 1896 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   2 032 t light; 2 084 t standard; 2 530 t normal; 2 887 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (229.66 ft / 229.66 ft) x 52.49 ft x (12.24 / 13.66 ft)
   (70.00 m / 70.00 m) x 16.00 m  x (3.73 / 4.16 m)

Armament:
      2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward
      Weight of broadside 6 lbs / 3 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 1 260 ihp / 940 Kw = 12.00 kts
   Range 6 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 803 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   177 - 231

Cost:
   £0.104 million / $0.417 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 tons, 0.1 %
      - Guns: 1 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 2 tons, 0.1 %
      - Armament: 2 tons, 0.1 %
   Machinery: 233 tons, 9.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 696 tons, 27.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 497 tons, 19.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 1 100 tons, 43.5 %
      - Hull below water: 500 tons
      - Hull above water: 500 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 100 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5 341 lbs / 2 423 Kg = 1 686.2 x 1.9 " / 47 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.74
   Metacentric height 4.7 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 10.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.614
   Length to Beam Ratio: 4.38 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.15 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 41 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   18.00 %,  17.72 ft / 5.40 m,  17.72 ft / 5.40 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  13.78 ft / 4.20 m,  13.78 ft / 4.20 m
      - Aft deck:   32.00 %,  13.78 ft / 4.20 m,  13.78 ft / 4.20 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  13.78 ft / 4.20 m,  13.78 ft / 4.20 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.49 ft / 4.42 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 73.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 130.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 8 817 Square feet or 819 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 161 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 57 lbs/sq ft or 277 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.88
      - Longitudinal: 3.04
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

misc weight; 1100t
100t of coal
1000t of different store

Loire
Loing
Yonne
Marne

cost : 0.58BP x 4 = 2.32BP
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on July 16, 2014, 05:40:09 PM
Saone, France Tender laid down 1896 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   740 t light; 760 t standard; 973 t normal; 1 144 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (164.04 ft / 164.04 ft) x 32.81 ft x (10.55 / 12.06 ft)
   (50.00 m / 50.00 m) x 10.00 m  x (3.22 / 3.68 m)

Armament:
      2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward
      Weight of broadside 6 lbs / 3 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 749 ihp / 559 Kw = 12.00 kts
   Range 5 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 384 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   86 - 113

Cost:
   £0.046 million / $0.183 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 tons, 0.1 %
      - Guns: 1 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 2 tons, 0.2 %
      - Armament: 2 tons, 0.2 %
   Machinery: 139 tons, 14.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 238 tons, 24.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 233 tons, 24.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 360 tons, 37.0 %
      - Hull below water: 160 tons
      - Hull above water: 160 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 40 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     1 570 lbs / 712 Kg = 495.5 x 1.9 " / 47 mm shells or 0.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.58
   Metacentric height 2.0 ft / 0.6 m
   Roll period: 9.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.01
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.617
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 12.81 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   14.00 %,  13.78 ft / 4.20 m,  13.78 ft / 4.20 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Aft deck:   36.00 %,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      10.39 ft / 3.17 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 82.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 85.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 3 936 Square feet or 366 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 151 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 40 lbs/sq ft or 193 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.87
      - Longitudinal: 3.26
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

misc weight; 360t
60t of coal
300t of different store

Saone
Rhone
Durance
Isère
Tarn
Lot

cost : 0.185BP x 6 = 1.11BP
0.74$ x6 = 4.44$
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on July 16, 2014, 06:01:26 PM
Alpes, France Hopital Ship laid down 1898 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   1 350 t light; 1 384 t standard; 1 669 t normal; 1 897 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (229.66 ft / 229.66 ft) x 39.37 ft x (10.77 / 11.97 ft)
   (70.00 m / 70.00 m) x 12.00 m  x (3.28 / 3.65 m)

Armament:
      2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward
      Weight of broadside 6 lbs / 3 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 951 ihp / 710 Kw = 12.00 kts
   Range 6 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 513 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   129 - 169

Cost:
   £0.068 million / $0.274 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 tons, 0.1 %
      - Guns: 1 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 2 tons, 0.1 %
      - Armament: 2 tons, 0.1 %
   Machinery: 149 tons, 8.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 474 tons, 28.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 319 tons, 19.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 725 tons, 43.4 %
      - Hull below water: 125 tons
      - Hull above water: 300 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 300 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     4 045 lbs / 1 835 Kg = 1 276.9 x 1.9 " / 47 mm shells or 1.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.25
   Metacentric height 1.9 ft / 0.6 m
   Roll period: 12.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, rise aft of midbreak, low quarterdeck ,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.613
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.83 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.15 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 38 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Aft deck:   20.00 %,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m
      - Quarter deck:   30.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Average freeboard:      13.39 ft / 4.08 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 57.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 130.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 6 613 Square feet or 614 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 162 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 47 lbs/sq ft or 230 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.89
      - Longitudinal: 2.68
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

misc weight; 725t
100t of medical magasin
125t for hospital
500t for 200 beds


Alpes
Pyrénnées
Jura
Massif Central

cost :0.3375BP x 4 = 1.350BP
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on July 16, 2014, 06:21:48 PM
R1 to R18, France Tug laid down 1898 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   160 t light; 165 t standard; 196 t normal; 221 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (98.43 ft / 98.43 ft) x 19.69 ft x (5.91 / 6.54 ft)
   (30.00 m / 30.00 m) x 6.00 m  x (1.80 / 1.99 m)

Armament:
      2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward
      Weight of broadside 6 lbs / 3 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 800 ihp / 597 Kw = 14.62 kts
   Range 2 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 56 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   26 - 34

Cost:
   £0.019 million / $0.077 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 tons, 0.6 %
      - Guns: 1 tons, 0.6 %
   Armour: 2 tons, 0.9 %
      - Armament: 2 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 94 tons, 47.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 47 tons, 24.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 36 tons, 18.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 16 tons, 8.2 %
      - On freeboard deck: 16 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     96 lbs / 44 Kg = 30.4 x 1.9 " / 47 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.52
   Metacentric height 0.9 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 8.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 45 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.01
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 0.59

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.611
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 9.92 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 71 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  8.69 ft / 2.65 m,  8.69 ft / 2.65 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  4.76 ft / 1.45 m,  4.76 ft / 1.45 m
      - Aft deck:   20.00 %,  4.76 ft / 1.45 m,  4.76 ft / 1.45 m
      - Quarter deck:   30.00 %,  4.76 ft / 1.45 m,  4.76 ft / 1.45 m
      - Average freeboard:      5.54 ft / 1.69 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 156.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 48.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 1 386 Square feet or 129 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 72 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 23 lbs/sq ft or 114 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.89
      - Longitudinal: 2.73
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Extremely poor accommodation and workspace room
   Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability

Misc weight; 16t
16t for harbor tender work

Engine 800 shp for tug work
Good seaboat @ 10kts, max speed allowed.

cost 0.04BP x 18 = 0.72BP
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on October 10, 2014, 05:31:46 PM
Going to add Auxiliairies in the Fleet.
Add costs.

> Costs in the 1900H1 repport

Jef
Title: Re: France 1890 restart
Post by: Jefgte on October 11, 2014, 04:40:05 PM

AUXILLIARIESDepLDCost
Troop TransportVille d'Alger (6 in the class)6900t189610,35BP
CollierChaumont (10 in the class)3000t18947,5BP
TransportLoire ( 4 in the class)2032t18962,32BP
TenderSaone ( 6 in the class)740t18961,11BP & 4,44$
HopitalAlpes ( 4 ships in the class)1350t18981,35BP
TugR1 to R18160t18980,72BP
TOTAL23,35BP & 4,44$

With a cost of 23.35BP for auxilliaries, BP for 1900H1 & H2 are going to be short for warships...

Jef