Hey Darman has a couple of designs up for Austria but I need to make some 'minor' changes and I need some other designs. As I am trying to feel my way back into the rules if people would be willing to help me out with some designs I would be grateful.
Armored Cruiser
Max of 120 Meters, 19+ knots, 4,000 NM @ 10 knots (I want to place 1 one Black Sea, so need a bit more range)
Weapons to choose from http://www.navalism.org/index.php/topic,5977.msg78610.html#msg78610
Coast Defense Battleship
The current choices are good but I will stay with historic Hapsburg weapons so at game start nothing larger than a 240mm main. So the 'Schwarzenburg' needs to be redesigned to 240mm guns. Perhaps a bit more speed? Try to keep them to 9,500 light tons displacement or less.
Protected Cruiser
Weapons, 19 cm / 15 cm / 12 cm main
20.5+ knots speed
Keep 'em under 4,500 tons light displacement
Michael
A revised Schwarzenburg: added 4 19cm singles and a half-knot of speed.
Schwarzenburg, Austro-Hungarian Empire Coast Defence Battleship laid down 1896
Displacement:
8,840 t light; 9,307 t standard; 9,835 t normal; 10,257 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(403.54 ft / 393.70 ft) x 62.34 ft x (24.61 / 25.45 ft)
(123.00 m / 120.00 m) x 19.00 m x (7.50 / 7.76 m)
Armament:
4 - 9.45" / 240 mm 45.0 cal guns - 374.79lbs / 170.00kg shells, 80 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1895 Model
2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 7.48" / 190 mm 45.0 cal guns - 213.85lbs / 97.00kg shells, 120 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1895 Model
4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
12 - 5.91" / 150 mm 45.0 cal guns - 99.87lbs / 45.30kg shells, 180 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1896 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in any sea
12 - 2.76" / 70.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 9.90lbs / 4.49kg shells, 400 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 raised mounts
4 x Single mounts layout not set
4 double raised mounts
Weight of broadside 3,672 lbs / 1,665 kg
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 11.8" / 300 mm 236.22 ft / 72.00 m 9.48 ft / 2.89 m
Ends: 5.91" / 150 mm 157.45 ft / 47.99 m 9.48 ft / 2.89 m
Upper: 5.91" / 150 mm 236.22 ft / 72.00 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 11.8" / 300 mm 8.27" / 210 mm 9.45" / 240 mm
2nd: 7.09" / 180 mm 4.72" / 120 mm 5.91" / 150 mm
3rd: 4.72" / 120 mm - 3.94" / 100 mm
- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 2.56" / 65 mm
Forecastle: 1.97" / 50 mm Quarter deck: 2.56" / 65 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 12.60" / 320 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 10,826 ihp / 8,076 Kw = 18.00 kts
Range 3,500nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 950 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
493 - 641
Cost:
£0.866 million / $3.463 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 824 tons, 8.4 %
- Guns: 824 tons, 8.4 %
Armour: 3,745 tons, 38.1 %
- Belts: 1,995 tons, 20.3 %
- Armament: 809 tons, 8.2 %
- Armour Deck: 816 tons, 8.3 %
- Conning Tower: 125 tons, 1.3 %
Machinery: 1,804 tons, 18.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,455 tons, 25.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 994 tons, 10.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 12 tons, 0.1 %
- Hull above water: 12 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
9,443 lbs / 4,283 Kg = 22.4 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 1.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.16
Metacentric height 3.3 ft / 1.0 m
Roll period: 14.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.44
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.23
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.570 / 0.575
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.32 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 11.48 ft / 3.50 m, 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 11.48 ft / 3.50 m, 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
- Aft deck: 30.00 %, 11.48 ft / 3.50 m, 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
- Quarter deck: 20.00 %, 11.48 ft / 3.50 m, 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
- Average freeboard: 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 88.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 77.4 %
Waterplane Area: 17,452 Square feet or 1,621 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 96 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 115 lbs/sq ft or 560 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 1.62
- Overall: 1.00
Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Cramped accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Miscellaneous weight allows for 4 broadside above water 16" torpedo tubes and 8 reload torpedoes.
And an AC that's a touch shorter and longer-ranged than Kaiser Karl (but not as fast):
Transylvania, Austro-Hungarian Empire Armored Cruiser laid down 1898
Displacement:
6,017 t light; 6,260 t standard; 6,716 t normal; 7,081 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(387.14 ft / 377.30 ft) x 57.41 ft x (20.67 / 21.53 ft)
(118.00 m / 115.00 m) x 17.50 m x (6.30 / 6.56 m)
Armament:
2 - 9.45" / 240 mm 45.0 cal guns - 374.79lbs / 170.00kg shells, 80 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1898 Model
2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 5.91" / 150 mm 45.0 cal guns - 99.87lbs / 45.30kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1898 Model
8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
16 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.00lbs / 1.36kg shells, 300 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1,597 lbs / 724 kg
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.91" / 150 mm 267.88 ft / 81.65 m 9.09 ft / 2.77 m
Ends: 3.94" / 100 mm 109.38 ft / 33.34 m 9.09 ft / 2.77 m
Upper: 4.72" / 120 mm 267.88 ft / 81.65 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 109 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 8.27" / 210 mm 5.91" / 150 mm 8.27" / 210 mm
2nd: 2.95" / 75 mm - 1.97" / 50 mm
- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 1.57" / 40 mm
Forecastle: 0.98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 8.27" / 210 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 11,617 ihp / 8,666 Kw = 19.50 kts
Range 4,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 822 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
370 - 482
Cost:
£0.595 million / $2.379 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 325 tons, 4.8 %
- Guns: 325 tons, 4.8 %
Armour: 1,968 tons, 29.3 %
- Belts: 1,183 tons, 17.6 %
- Armament: 299 tons, 4.5 %
- Armour Deck: 423 tons, 6.3 %
- Conning Tower: 63 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 1,874 tons, 27.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,841 tons, 27.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 699 tons, 10.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 10 tons, 0.1 %
- Hull below water: 10 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
6,384 lbs / 2,896 Kg = 15.1 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.38
Metacentric height 3.8 ft / 1.2 m
Roll period: 12.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 78 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.27
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.56
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.525 / 0.531
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.57 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19.42 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 17.00 %, 18.04 ft / 5.50 m, 13.94 ft / 4.25 m
- Forward deck: 20.00 %, 13.94 ft / 4.25 m, 13.94 ft / 4.25 m
- Aft deck: 51.00 %, 13.94 ft / 4.25 m, 13.94 ft / 4.25 m
- Quarter deck: 12.00 %, 13.94 ft / 4.25 m, 13.94 ft / 4.25 m
- Average freeboard: 14.22 ft / 4.34 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 107.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 106.0 %
Waterplane Area: 14,769 Square feet or 1,372 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 90 lbs/sq ft or 441 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.94
- Longitudinal: 1.87
- Overall: 1.00
Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Adequate accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Miscellaneous weight allows for 2 submerged broadside 16" torpedo tubes with 8 reload torpedoes.
And a protected cruiser. I'd have used a 100mm secondary battery, but the Austrians haven't developed that yet.
SMS Zenta, Austrian Protected Cruiser laid down 1895
Displacement:
3,388 t light; 3,499 t standard; 3,842 t normal; 4,117 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(364.33 ft / 354.33 ft) x 43.64 ft x (17.22 / 18.15 ft)
(111.05 m / 108.00 m) x 13.30 m x (5.25 / 5.53 m)
Armament:
2 - 7.48" / 190 mm 45.0 cal guns - 213.85lbs / 97.00kg shells, 80 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1895 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
6 - 2.76" / 70.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 9.90lbs / 4.49kg shells, 300 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.00lbs / 1.36kg shells, 400 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
8 double raised mounts
Weight of broadside 511 lbs / 232 kg
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Ends: Unarmoured
Upper: 2.95" / 75 mm 230.32 ft / 70.20 m 4.10 ft / 1.25 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.97" / 50 mm - 1.97" / 50 mm
2nd: 0.59" / 15 mm - -
- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 1.38" / 35 mm
Forecastle: 1.38" / 35 mm Quarter deck: 1.38" / 35 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 2.95" / 75 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 10,921 ihp / 8,147 Kw = 21.00 kts
Range 4,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 617 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
243 - 317
Cost:
£0.412 million / $1.648 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 128 tons, 3.3 %
- Guns: 128 tons, 3.3 %
Armour: 419 tons, 10.9 %
- Belts: 117 tons, 3.0 %
- Armament: 21 tons, 0.5 %
- Armour Deck: 266 tons, 6.9 %
- Conning Tower: 16 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 1,779 tons, 46.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,049 tons, 27.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 454 tons, 11.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 12 tons, 0.3 %
- Hull above water: 12 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
1,634 lbs / 741 Kg = 7.8 x 7.5 " / 190 mm shells or 0.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.51
Metacentric height 2.9 ft / 0.9 m
Roll period: 10.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.18
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.26
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.505 / 0.513
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.12 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 18.82 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 4.00 ft / 1.22 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m, 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 11.48 ft / 3.50 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Average freeboard: 10.68 ft / 3.26 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 160.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 82.9 %
Waterplane Area: 10,349 Square feet or 961 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 84 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 70 lbs/sq ft or 341 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.96
- Longitudinal: 1.39
- Overall: 1.00
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Cramped accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Miscellaneous weight allows for 3 above-water 16" torpedo tubes (bow, port, & starboard), with 9 reload torpedoes.
France didnt use 2 main guns, That's not enough to have good hit probability
On the last class CP5, I use 2T2x164 from Dupleix class.
CP5, France CP5 laid down 1899
Displacement:
4 500 t light; 4 674 t standard; 5 298 t normal; 5 797 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(391.85 ft / 388.85 ft) x 49.20 ft x (16.86 / 18.13 ft)
(119.44 m / 118.52 m) x 15.00 m x (5.14 / 5.53 m)
Armament:
4 - 6.45" / 164 mm 45.0 cal guns - 135.32lbs / 61.38kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1899 Model
2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
6 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.09lbs / 14.10kg shells, 200 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
2 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 8.47lbs / 3.84kg shells, 250 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
2 raised mounts
2 - 0.30" / 7.6 mm 55.0 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.00kg shells, 400 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
2 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 745 lbs / 338 kg
Main Torpedoes
2 - 15.8" / 400 mm, 13.13 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.367 t each, 0.734 t total
submerged bow & stern tubes
2nd Torpedoes
2 - 15.8" / 400 mm, 13.13 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.367 t each, 0.734 t total
submerged side tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 2.95" / 75 mm 365.00 ft / 111.25 m 7.22 ft / 2.20 m
Ends: 0.97" / 25 mm 22.00 ft / 6.71 m 7.22 ft / 2.20 m
1.85 ft / 0.56 m Unarmoured ends
Main Belt covers 144 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2.95" / 75 mm 0.77" / 20 mm 1.97" / 50 mm
2nd: 0.60" / 15 mm - -
3rd: 0.40" / 10 mm - -
- Armoured deck - single deck:
For and Aft decks: 1.57" / 40 mm
Forecastle: 0.77" / 20 mm Quarter deck: 0.77" / 20 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 1.97" / 50 mm, Aft 1.77" / 45 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 13 600 ihp / 10 145 Kw = 21.13 kts
Range 6 500nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1 123 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
309 - 403
Cost:
£0.521 million / $2.083 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 163 tons, 3.1 %
- Guns: 160 tons, 3.0 %
- Weapons: 3 tons, 0.1 %
Armour: 743 tons, 14.0 %
- Belts: 310 tons, 5.9 %
- Armament: 56 tons, 1.1 %
- Armour Deck: 353 tons, 6.7 %
- Conning Towers: 24 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 2 159 tons, 40.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 405 tons, 26.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 798 tons, 15.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 30 tons, 0.6 %
- On freeboard deck: 30 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
2 992 lbs / 1 357 Kg = 22.3 x 6.5 " / 164 mm shells or 2.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.56
Metacentric height 3.6 ft / 1.1 m
Roll period: 10.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 78 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.19
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.35
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.575 / 0.585
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.90 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19.72 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 14.45 ft / 4.40 m, 12.80 ft / 3.90 m
- Forward deck: 25.00 %, 12.80 ft / 3.90 m, 11.82 ft / 3.60 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 11.82 ft / 3.60 m, 11.82 ft / 3.60 m
- Quarter deck: 20.00 %, 11.82 ft / 3.60 m, 11.82 ft / 3.60 m
- Average freeboard: 12.27 ft / 3.74 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 144.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 101.3 %
Waterplane Area: 13 669 Square feet or 1 270 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 93 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 74 lbs/sq ft or 360 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.26
- Overall: 1.00
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Adequate accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
AC Dupleix turrets
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AC2, France AC2 laid down 1898
Displacement:
7 500 t light; 7 864 t standard; 8 802 t normal; 9 553 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(463.50 ft / 460.50 ft) x 59.05 ft x (19.70 / 21.06 ft)
(141.27 m / 140.36 m) x 18.00 m x (6.01 / 6.42 m)
Armament:
2 - 7.65" / 194 mm 45.0 cal guns - 225.75lbs / 102.40kg shells, 120 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1898 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 7.65" / 194 mm 45.0 cal guns - 225.75lbs / 102.40kg shells, 120 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1898 Model
8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
8 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.09lbs / 14.10kg shells, 220 per gun
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1898 Model
8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 55.0 cal guns - 9.06lbs / 4.11kg shells, 350 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
4 - 0.30" / 7.6 mm 55.0 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.00kg shells, 500 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 2 542 lbs / 1 153 kg
Main Torpedoes
2 - 15.8" / 400 mm, 13.13 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.353 t each, 0.706 t total
submerged bow & stern tubes
2nd Torpedoes
2 - 15.8" / 400 mm, 13.13 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.353 t each, 0.706 t total
submerged side tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3.95" / 100 mm 400.25 ft / 122.00 m 7.87 ft / 2.40 m
Ends: 1.77" / 45 mm 60.00 ft / 18.29 m 7.87 ft / 2.40 m
Upper: 1.77" / 45 mm 400.25 ft / 122.00 m 9.85 ft / 3.00 m
Main Belt covers 134 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3.95" / 100 mm 0.77" / 20 mm 1.77" / 45 mm
2nd: 2.95" / 75 mm - 1.77" / 45 mm
3rd: 0.77" / 20 mm - 0.77" / 20 mm
- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 1.77" / 45 mm
Forecastle: 0.77" / 20 mm Quarter deck: 0.77" / 20 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 3.95" / 100 mm, Aft 1.20" / 30 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 3 shafts, 17 580 ihp / 13 115 Kw = 21.11 kts
Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1 689 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
453 - 590
Cost:
£0.848 million / $3.390 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 446 tons, 5.1 %
- Guns: 444 tons, 5.0 %
- Weapons: 3 tons, 0.0 %
Armour: 1 537 tons, 17.5 %
- Belts: 807 tons, 9.2 %
- Armament: 108 tons, 1.2 %
- Armour Deck: 576 tons, 6.5 %
- Conning Towers: 47 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 3 168 tons, 36.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 279 tons, 25.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 302 tons, 14.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 70 tons, 0.8 %
- On freeboard deck: 70 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
5 885 lbs / 2 669 Kg = 26.3 x 7.7 " / 194 mm shells or 3.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.59
Metacentric height 5.0 ft / 1.5 m Roll period: 11.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 80 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.27
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.59
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.575 / 0.584
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.80 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21.46 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 18.00 %, 15.75 ft / 4.80 m, 14.77 ft / 4.50 m
- Forward deck: 28.00 %, 14.77 ft / 4.50 m, 13.77 ft / 4.20 m
- Aft deck: 38.00 %, 13.77 ft / 4.20 m, 13.77 ft / 4.20 m
- Quarter deck: 16.00 %, 13.77 ft / 4.20 m, 13.77 ft / 4.20 m
- Average freeboard: 14.16 ft / 4.32 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 133.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 114.2 %
Waterplane Area: 19 428 Square feet or 1 805 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 90 lbs/sq ft or 440 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.26
- Overall: 1.00
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Adequate accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Quote from: KWorld on October 09, 2012, 05:12:24 AM
And a protected cruiser. I'd have used a 100mm secondary battery, but the Austrians haven't developed that yet.
SMS Zenta, Austrian Protected Cruiser laid down 1895
Displacement:
3,388 t light; 3,499 t standard; 3,842 t normal; 4,117 t full load
KWorld thanks for the design files.
I made some modifications to the PC design provided. Increased length slightly and put in 120mm weapons in place of the 70mm.
QuotePC-1895-A, Austrian Protected Cruiser laid down 1895
Displacement:
3,500 t light; 3,640 t standard; 3,993 t normal; 4,275 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(377.45 ft / 367.45 ft) x 43.64 ft x (17.22 / 18.14 ft)
(115.05 m / 112.00 m) x 13.30 m x (5.25 / 5.53 m)
Armament:
2 - 7.48" / 190 mm 45.0 cal guns - 213.85lbs / 97.00kg shells, 80 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1895 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 4.72" / 120 mm 45.0 cal guns - 53.18lbs / 24.12kg shells, 300 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.00lbs / 1.36kg shells, 400 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 664 lbs / 301 kg
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Ends: Unarmoured
Upper: 2.95" / 75 mm 238.85 ft / 72.80 m 4.10 ft / 1.25 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.97" / 50 mm - 1.97" / 50 mm
2nd: 0.59" / 15 mm - -
- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 1.38" / 35 mm
Forecastle: 1.38" / 35 mm Quarter deck: 1.38" / 35 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 2.95" / 75 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 11,009 ihp / 8,213 Kw = 21.00 kts
Range 4,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 635 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
250 - 326
Cost:
£0.427 million / $1.708 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 153 tons, 3.8 %
- Guns: 153 tons, 3.8 %
Armour: 432 tons, 10.8 %
- Belts: 121 tons, 3.0 %
- Armament: 19 tons, 0.5 %
- Armour Deck: 276 tons, 6.9 %
- Conning Tower: 16 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 1,808 tons, 45.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,094 tons, 27.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 492 tons, 12.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 12 tons, 0.3 %
- Hull above water: 12 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
1,727 lbs / 783 Kg = 8.3 x 7.5 " / 190 mm shells or 0.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.51
Metacentric height 2.9 ft / 0.9 m
Roll period: 10.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.22
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.30
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.506 / 0.514
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.42 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19.17 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 4.00 ft / 1.22 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m, 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 11.48 ft / 3.50 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Average freeboard: 10.68 ft / 3.26 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 159.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 83.7 %
Waterplane Area: 10,742 Square feet or 998 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 86 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 71 lbs/sq ft or 346 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.32
- Overall: 1.00
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Cramped accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Miscellaneous weight allows for 3 above-water 16" torpedo tubes (bow, port, & starboard), with 9 reload torpedoes.
Quote from: miketr on October 09, 2012, 06:44:50 AM
KWorld thanks for the design files.
I made some modifications to the PC design provided. Increased length slightly and put in 120mm weapons in place of the 70mm.
As long as you develop the 120mm, that's fine. :) I figure when I'm kicking up a design for someone else, provide the design file so they can modify it as needed.
The one thing that I'd worry about the new design is that anti-TB firepower seems a bit light: all you've got is 2 120mm and 4 3 pounders per side.
Quote from: KWorld on October 09, 2012, 07:20:35 AM
The one thing that I'd worry about the new design is that anti-TB firepower seems a bit light: all you've got is 2 120mm and 4 3 pounders per side.
Oh I know, it would be better to ditch the 19 cm mains for another four 12 cm QF. My main worry was to get the design to 3,500 tons and 12 cm weapons. I will refine the design later on.
Michael
SMS Zenta, Austrian Protected Cruiser laid down 1895
Displacement:
3,082 t light; 3,186 t standard; 3,509 t normal; 3,768 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(355.15 ft / 344.49 ft) x 43.47 ft x (16.40 / 17.31 ft)
(108.25 m / 105.00 m) x 13.25 m x (5.00 / 5.28 m)
Armament:
8 - 4.72" / 120 mm 45.0 cal guns - 53.17lbs / 24.12kg shells, 120 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1895 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.00lbs / 1.36kg shells, 400 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 449 lbs / 204 kg
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Ends: Unarmoured
Upper: 2.95" / 75 mm 344.49 ft / 105.00 m 4.10 ft / 1.25 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.97" / 50 mm - 1.97" / 50 mm
- Protected deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 1.38" / 35 mm
Forecastle: 1.38" / 35 mm Quarter deck: 1.38" / 35 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 2.95" / 75 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 9,497 ihp / 7,084 Kw = 20.50 kts
Range 4,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 583 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
227 - 296
Cost:
£0.365 million / $1.461 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 121 tons, 3.4 %
- Guns: 121 tons, 3.4 %
Armour: 466 tons, 13.3 %
- Belts: 154 tons, 4.4 %
- Armament: 41 tons, 1.2 %
- Armour Deck: 256 tons, 7.3 %
- Conning Tower: 15 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 1,537 tons, 43.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 946 tons, 26.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 428 tons, 12.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 12 tons, 0.3 %
- Hull above water: 12 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
1,632 lbs / 740 Kg = 30.9 x 4.7 " / 120 mm shells or 0.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.46
Metacentric height 2.8 ft / 0.8 m
Roll period: 11.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.18
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.23
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.500 / 0.509
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.92 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 18.56 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 4.10 ft / 1.25 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Average freeboard: 10.10 ft / 3.08 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 153.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 82.4 %
Waterplane Area: 9,978 Square feet or 927 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 86 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 67 lbs/sq ft or 327 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.28
- Overall: 1.00
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Cramped accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Miscellaneous weight allows for 3 above-water 16" torpedo tubes (bow, port, & starboard), with 9 reload torpedoes.
Looking for torpedo Designs.
TB, 250 tons, 47mm QF, 3TT, best possible speed
DD, 500 tons, 70mm/47mm QF, 2TT, best possible speed
TBD, Austria Torpedo boat destroyer laid down 1898
Displacement:
495 t light; 510 t standard; 584 t normal; 644 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(255.23 ft / 252.62 ft) x 23.79 ft x (8.20 / 8.76 ft)
(77.79 m / 77.00 m) x 7.25 m x (2.50 / 2.67 m)
Armament:
3 - 2.76" / 70.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 9.90lbs / 4.49kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
4 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.00lbs / 1.36kg shells, 200 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
2 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 42 lbs / 19 kg
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 10,040 ihp / 7,490 Kw = 27.00 kts
Range 2,800nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 133 tons (100% coal)
Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery
Complement:
59 - 77
Cost:
£0.070 million / $0.278 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 9 tons, 1.5 %
- Guns: 9 tons, 1.5 %
Machinery: 356 tons, 61.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 127 tons, 21.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 90 tons, 15.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 2 tons, 0.3 %
- On freeboard deck: 2 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
111 lbs / 50 Kg = 10.6 x 2.8 " / 70 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.35
Metacentric height 1.0 ft / 0.3 m
Roll period: 10.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 82 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.10
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.94
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.415 / 0.428
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.62 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 15.89 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 88
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Forward deck: 15.00 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Aft deck: 50.00 %, 6.56 ft / 2.00 m, 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 6.56 ft / 2.00 m, 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
- Average freeboard: 8.99 ft / 2.74 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 200.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 97.3 %
Waterplane Area: 3,733 Square feet or 347 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 18 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 20 lbs/sq ft or 98 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 1.00
- Overall: 0.53
Extremely poor machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Adequate accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather
Carries 2 torpedoes in single center-line roatable mounts.
Trials speed 30.08 knots
Range at cruise speed of 10 knots is 2800 nm.
TB, Austria Torpedo boat laid down 1897
Displacement:
241 t light; 247 t standard; 265 t normal; 278 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(198.59 ft / 196.85 ft) x 18.86 ft x (6.56 / 6.78 ft)
(60.53 m / 60.00 m) x 5.75 m x (2.00 / 2.07 m)
Armament:
3 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.00lbs / 1.36kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 9 lbs / 4 kg
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 4,927 ihp / 3,676 Kw = 25.00 kts
Range 1,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 31 tons (100% coal)
Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery
Complement:
32 - 42
Cost:
£0.032 million / $0.128 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2 tons, 0.8 %
- Guns: 2 tons, 0.8 %
Machinery: 164 tons, 61.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 72 tons, 27.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 23 tons, 8.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 3 tons, 1.1 %
- On freeboard deck: 3 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
55 lbs / 25 Kg = 17.3 x 1.9 " / 47 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
Metacentric height 0.5 ft / 0.2 m
Roll period: 10.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 93 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.06
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.06
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.380 / 0.387
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.43 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 14.03 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 88
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m, 12.30 ft / 3.75 m
- Forward deck: 8.00 %, 12.30 ft / 3.75 m, 12.30 ft / 3.75 m
- Aft deck: 57.00 %, 6.56 ft / 2.00 m, 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 6.56 ft / 2.00 m, 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
- Average freeboard: 7.97 ft / 2.43 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 201.5 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 97.6 %
Waterplane Area: 2,256 Square feet or 210 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 16 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 17 lbs/sq ft or 82 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 1.64
- Overall: 0.57
Extremely poor machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Adequate accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Carries 1 torpedoes in a single center-line roatable mount, with 2 more in fixed deck mounts.
Trials speed31.34 knots
so knowing the situation in the med as I do (seriously ACs under 20 knots need to just go away there) I came up with this little toy for your study. Now like Jef I dont feal that 2 main guns is enough so I gave her 4, and a 5K@10 range. she has 116 tons left over in a building/whatever reserve. I also included the SS file so you can play with her if ya want to.
Kaiserin, Austria-Hungary Armored Cruiser laid down 1898
Displacement:
6,000 t light; 6,269 t standard; 6,848 t normal; 7,311 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(393.00 ft / 393.00 ft) x 47.00 ft x (24.00 / 25.27 ft)
(119.79 m / 119.79 m) x 14.33 m x (7.32 / 7.70 m)
Armament:
4 - 9.45" / 240 mm 40.0 cal guns - 308.65lbs / 140.00kg shells, 90 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1898 Model
2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 5.91" / 150 mm 40.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1898 Model
8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
16 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 44.0 cal guns - 3.12lbs / 1.42kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
16 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 2,085 lbs / 946 kg
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.98" / 152 mm 305.12 ft / 93.00 m 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
Ends: 3.94" / 100 mm 87.86 ft / 26.78 m 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
Main Belt covers 119 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7.99" / 203 mm 1.97" / 50 mm 5.98" / 152 mm
2nd: 1.97" / 50 mm 1.97" / 50 mm -
- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 2.48" / 63 mm
Forecastle: 1.50" / 38 mm Quarter deck: 1.50" / 38 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 5.98" / 152 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 12,615 ihp / 9,411 Kw = 20.00 kts
Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,042 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
376 - 489
Cost:
£0.665 million / $2.661 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 434 tons, 6.3 %
- Guns: 434 tons, 6.3 %
Armour: 1,704 tons, 24.9 %
- Belts: 834 tons, 12.2 %
- Armament: 262 tons, 3.8 %
- Armour Deck: 561 tons, 8.2 %
- Conning Tower: 46 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 2,035 tons, 29.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,711 tons, 25.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 848 tons, 12.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 116 tons, 1.7 %
- On freeboard deck: 116 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
4,126 lbs / 1,872 Kg = 9.8 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 0.9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
Metacentric height 2.0 ft / 0.6 m
Roll period: 14.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.74
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.31
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.541 / 0.548
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.36 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19.82 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 15.00 %, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Aft deck: 43.00 %, 9.00 ft / 2.74 m, 9.00 ft / 2.74 m
- Quarter deck: 12.00 %, 9.00 ft / 2.74 m, 9.00 ft / 2.74 m
- Average freeboard: 12.15 ft / 3.70 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 119.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 76.9 %
Waterplane Area: 12,780 Square feet or 1,187 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 91 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 90 lbs/sq ft or 439 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.94
- Longitudinal: 1.71
- Overall: 1.00
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Cramped accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Modification of CBB, increase in size. A little better range, improved upper belt, minor increase in speed and size pushed to 10K light tons.
QuoteSchwarzenburg, Austro-Hungarian Empire Coast Defence Battleship laid down 1896
Displacement:
10,000 t light; 10,493 t standard; 11,139 t normal; 11,656 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(419.95 ft / 410.11 ft) x 65.62 ft x (24.61 / 25.54 ft)
(128.00 m / 125.00 m) x 20.00 m x (7.50 / 7.78 m)
Armament:
4 - 9.45" / 240 mm 45.0 cal guns - 374.79lbs / 170.00kg shells, 80 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1895 Model
2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 7.48" / 190 mm 45.0 cal guns - 213.85lbs / 97.00kg shells, 120 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1895 Model
4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
12 - 5.91" / 150 mm 45.0 cal guns - 99.87lbs / 45.30kg shells, 180 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1896 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in any sea
12 - 2.76" / 70.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 9.90lbs / 4.49kg shells, 400 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 raised mounts
4 x Single mounts layout not set
4 double raised mounts
Weight of broadside 3,672 lbs / 1,665 kg
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 11.8" / 300 mm 246.06 ft / 75.00 m 9.71 ft / 2.96 m
Ends: 5.91" / 150 mm 164.01 ft / 49.99 m 9.71 ft / 2.96 m
Upper: 9.45" / 240 mm 246.06 ft / 75.00 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 11.8" / 300 mm 8.27" / 210 mm 9.45" / 240 mm
2nd: 7.09" / 180 mm 4.72" / 120 mm 5.91" / 150 mm
3rd: 4.72" / 120 mm - 3.94" / 100 mm
- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 2.56" / 65 mm
Forecastle: 1.97" / 50 mm Quarter deck: 2.56" / 65 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 12.60" / 320 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 12,000 ihp / 8,952 Kw = 18.15 kts
Range 4,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,164 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
541 - 704
Cost:
£0.934 million / $3.735 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 824 tons, 7.4 %
- Guns: 824 tons, 7.4 %
Armour: 4,295 tons, 38.6 %
- Belts: 2,440 tons, 21.9 %
- Armament: 809 tons, 7.3 %
- Armour Deck: 910 tons, 8.2 %
- Conning Tower: 135 tons, 1.2 %
Machinery: 2,000 tons, 18.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,695 tons, 24.2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,139 tons, 10.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 187 tons, 1.7 %
- Hull below water: 175 tons
- Hull above water: 12 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
11,038 lbs / 5,007 Kg = 26.2 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 1.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.18
Metacentric height 3.6 ft / 1.1 m
Roll period: 14.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.37
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.22
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.589 / 0.594
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.25 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 20.25 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 11.48 ft / 3.50 m, 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 11.48 ft / 3.50 m, 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
- Aft deck: 30.00 %, 11.48 ft / 3.50 m, 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
- Quarter deck: 20.00 %, 11.48 ft / 3.50 m, 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
- Average freeboard: 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 85.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 78.7 %
Waterplane Area: 19,476 Square feet or 1,809 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 114 lbs/sq ft or 558 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 1.46
- Overall: 1.00
Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Cramped accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Miscellaneous weight allows for 4 broadside above water 16" torpedo tubes and 8 reload torpedoes.
175 Misc Tons as Ballast
Austria-Hungary considers a 1st class BB design.
QuoteBB-1900, A-H Battleship laid down 1900
Displacement:
13,001 t light; 13,711 t standard; 14,432 t normal; 15,008 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(451.12 ft / 451.12 ft) x 72.18 ft x (25.43 / 26.27 ft)
(137.50 m / 137.50 m) x 22.00 m x (7.75 / 8.01 m)
Armament:
4 - 12.01" / 305 mm 40.0 cal guns - 829.71lbs / 376.35kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 7.48" / 190 mm 45.0 cal guns - 211.07lbs / 95.74kg shells, 120 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
4 x Twin mounts on side ends, evenly spread
12 - 5.91" / 150 mm 45.0 cal guns - 103.86lbs / 47.11kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
12 - 2.76" / 70.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 10.56lbs / 4.79kg shells, 300 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
12 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
12 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 6,380 lbs / 2,894 kg
Main Torpedoes
4 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.472 t each, 1.886 t total
In 4 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 12.6" / 320 mm 293.21 ft / 89.37 m 10.20 ft / 3.11 m
Ends: 5.91" / 150 mm 157.87 ft / 48.12 m 10.20 ft / 3.11 m
Upper: 9.45" / 240 mm 293.21 ft / 89.37 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 12.6" / 320 mm 8.27" / 210 mm 9.45" / 240 mm
2nd: 7.09" / 180 mm 4.72" / 120 mm 5.91" / 150 mm
3rd: 4.72" / 120 mm - 3.94" / 100 mm
4th: 0.98" / 25 mm - -
- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 2.56" / 65 mm
Forecastle: 1.97" / 50 mm Quarter deck: 2.56" / 65 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 13.78" / 350 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 14,850 ihp / 11,078 Kw = 18.50 kts
Range 4,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,297 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
657 - 855
Cost:
£1.279 million / $5.117 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,237 tons, 8.6 %
- Guns: 1,235 tons, 8.6 %
- Weapons: 2 tons, 0.0 %
Armour: 5,424 tons, 37.6 %
- Belts: 2,986 tons, 20.7 %
- Armament: 1,138 tons, 7.9 %
- Armour Deck: 1,124 tons, 7.8 %
- Conning Tower: 176 tons, 1.2 %
Machinery: 2,320 tons, 16.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,756 tons, 26.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,431 tons, 9.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 264 tons, 1.8 %
- Hull below water: 240 tons
- On freeboard deck: 24 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
14,717 lbs / 6,676 Kg = 17.0 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 5.7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
Metacentric height 4.3 ft / 1.3 m
Roll period: 14.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.50
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.31
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.610 / 0.614
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.25 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21.24 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Average freeboard: 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 86.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 89.4 %
Waterplane Area: 24,040 Square feet or 2,233 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 96 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 131 lbs/sq ft or 639 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 1.52
- Overall: 1.00
Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Cramped accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
24 tons for torpedo's (4 loads and two reloads each)
240 tons of ballast
Quote4 - 12.01" / 305 mm 40.0 cal guns - 829.71lbs / 376.35kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
Twin mounts...
;)
You may want to move the torpedoes below-deck, above deck they're vulnerable to exploding if they're hit by a 9-pounder.
I really do NOT like this design that I a came up with.
More than double the size to get 1 more knot of speed?!? compared to this design.
http://www.navalism.org/index.php/topic,5979.msg78663.html#msg78663
I was hoping to go to a 10K design to get 22 knots and roughly same weapons. I will have to rethink this.
QuoteAC-1900, A-H Armored Cruiser laid down 1900
Displacement:
12,200 t light; 12,642 t standard; 14,094 t normal; 15,255 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(482.28 ft / 482.28 ft) x 68.90 ft x (26.25 / 27.97 ft)
(147.00 m / 147.00 m) x 21.00 m x (8.00 / 8.53 m)
Armament:
4 - 9.45" / 240 mm 45.0 cal guns - 425.39lbs / 192.95kg shells, 90 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 5.91" / 150 mm 45.0 cal guns - 103.86lbs / 47.11kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
8 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
4 - 2.76" / 70.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 10.55lbs / 4.79kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
4 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
4 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 300 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
4 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 2,587 lbs / 1,174 kg
Main Torpedoes
4 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.472 t each, 1.886 t total
In 4 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.91" / 150 mm 452.76 ft / 138.00 m 9.97 ft / 3.04 m
Ends: 3.94" / 100 mm 29.53 ft / 9.00 m 9.97 ft / 3.04 m
Main Belt covers 144 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 9.45" / 240 mm 5.91" / 150 mm 7.87" / 200 mm
2nd: 3.94" / 100 mm - 3.94" / 100 mm
3rd: 0.98" / 25 mm - -
- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 2.56" / 65 mm
Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 5.91" / 150 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 22,713 shp / 16,944 Kw = 21.00 kts
Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,613 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
646 - 840
Cost:
£1.423 million / $5.693 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 515 tons, 3.7 %
- Guns: 512 tons, 3.6 %
- Weapons: 2 tons, 0.0 %
Armour: 2,639 tons, 18.7 %
- Belts: 1,096 tons, 7.8 %
- Armament: 426 tons, 3.0 %
- Armour Deck: 1,043 tons, 7.4 %
- Conning Tower: 74 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 5,678 tons, 40.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,356 tons, 23.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,893 tons, 13.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 12 tons, 0.1 %
- On freeboard deck: 12 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
7,195 lbs / 3,263 Kg = 17.1 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 3.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.62
Metacentric height 6.4 ft / 2.0 m
Roll period: 11.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.19
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.47
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.566 / 0.574
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21.96 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 18.04 ft / 5.50 m, 18.04 ft / 5.50 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 11.48 ft / 3.50 m, 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 11.48 ft / 3.50 m, 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
- Average freeboard: 14.27 ft / 4.35 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 143.5 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 95.1 %
Waterplane Area: 23,532 Square feet or 2,186 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 88 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 105 lbs/sq ft or 511 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.96
- Longitudinal: 1.38
- Overall: 1.00
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Adequate accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Quote from: KWorld on October 10, 2012, 09:34:39 AM
You may want to move the torpedoes below-deck, above deck they're vulnerable to exploding if they're hit by a 9-pounder.
Quote from: Jefgte on October 10, 2012, 09:30:32 AM
Quote4 - 12.01" / 305 mm 40.0 cal guns - 829.71lbs / 376.35kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
Twin mounts...
;)
Made suggested changes.
BB-1900-a, A-H Battleship laid down 1900
Displacement:
13,001 t light; 13,711 t standard; 14,432 t normal; 15,008 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(451.12 ft / 451.12 ft) x 72.18 ft x (25.43 / 26.27 ft)
(137.50 m / 137.50 m) x 22.00 m x (7.75 / 8.01 m)
Armament:
4 - 12.01" / 305 mm 40.0 cal guns - 829.70lbs / 376.35kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 7.48" / 190 mm 45.0 cal guns - 211.07lbs / 95.74kg shells, 120 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
4 x Twin mounts on side ends, evenly spread
12 - 5.91" / 150 mm 45.0 cal guns - 103.86lbs / 47.11kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
12 - 2.76" / 70.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 10.55lbs / 4.79kg shells, 300 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
12 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
12 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 6,380 lbs / 2,894 kg
Main Torpedoes
4 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.472 t each, 1.886 t total
submerged side tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 12.6" / 320 mm 293.21 ft / 89.37 m 10.20 ft / 3.11 m
Ends: 5.91" / 150 mm 157.87 ft / 48.12 m 10.20 ft / 3.11 m
Upper: 9.45" / 240 mm 293.21 ft / 89.37 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 12.6" / 320 mm 8.27" / 210 mm 9.45" / 240 mm
2nd: 7.09" / 180 mm 4.72" / 120 mm 5.91" / 150 mm
3rd: 4.72" / 120 mm - 3.94" / 100 mm
4th: 0.98" / 25 mm - -
- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 2.56" / 65 mm
Forecastle: 1.97" / 50 mm Quarter deck: 2.56" / 65 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 13.78" / 350 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 14,850 ihp / 11,078 Kw = 18.50 kts
Range 4,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,297 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
657 - 855
Cost:
£1.279 million / $5.117 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,118 tons, 7.8 %
- Guns: 1,115 tons, 7.7 %
- Weapons: 4 tons, 0.0 %
Armour: 5,379 tons, 37.3 %
- Belts: 2,975 tons, 20.6 %
- Armament: 1,104 tons, 7.6 %
- Armour Deck: 1,124 tons, 7.8 %
- Conning Tower: 176 tons, 1.2 %
Machinery: 2,320 tons, 16.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,859 tons, 26.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,431 tons, 9.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 324 tons, 2.2 %
- Hull below water: 300 tons
- On freeboard deck: 24 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
14,658 lbs / 6,649 Kg = 16.9 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 5.7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.22
Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.3 m
Roll period: 14.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.49
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.32
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.610 / 0.614
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.25 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21.24 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Average freeboard: 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 87.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 89.7 %
Waterplane Area: 24,040 Square feet or 2,233 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 96 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 130 lbs/sq ft or 637 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 1.52
- Overall: 1.00
Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Cramped accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
24 tons for torpedo's (4 loads and two reloads each)
300 tons of ballast
Michael
On the AC, take a look at my USS Georgia, it's about the right size for what you're looking for, and with 1900 engines can probably be modified to be close to what you want. At least it's a starting point.
It's based on USS Georgia, but then modified to be more like what you came up with.
SMS Belgrade, Austria-Hungary Armored Cruiser laid down 1900
Displacement:
9,820 t light; 10,257 t standard; 11,018 t normal; 11,627 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(492.13 ft / 492.13 ft) x 65.62 ft x (22.97 / 23.94 ft)
(150.00 m / 150.00 m) x 20.00 m x (7.00 / 7.30 m)
Armament:
4 - 9.45" / 240 mm 45.0 cal guns - 425.39lbs / 192.95kg shells, 120 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 5.91" / 150 mm 45.0 cal guns - 103.86lbs / 47.11kg shells, 200 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 - 2.76" / 70.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 10.55lbs / 4.79kg shells, 400 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
4 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 300 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
4 double raised mounts
Weight of broadside 2,587 lbs / 1,174 kg
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.91" / 150 mm 388.78 ft / 118.50 m 9.71 ft / 2.96 m
Ends: 3.94" / 100 mm 103.31 ft / 31.49 m 9.71 ft / 2.96 m
Main Belt covers 122 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 9.45" / 240 mm 5.91" / 150 mm 7.87" / 200 mm
2nd: 4.00" / 102 mm - 4.00" / 102 mm
3rd: 0.98" / 25 mm - -
- Armoured deck - single deck:
For and Aft decks: 2.56" / 65 mm
Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 5.91" / 150 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 22,764 ihp / 16,982 Kw = 22.00 kts
Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,370 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
537 - 699
Cost:
£1.043 million / $4.172 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 514 tons, 4.7 %
- Guns: 514 tons, 4.7 %
Armour: 2,569 tons, 23.3 %
- Belts: 1,055 tons, 9.6 %
- Armament: 439 tons, 4.0 %
- Armour Deck: 1,011 tons, 9.2 %
- Conning Tower: 63 tons, 0.6 %
Machinery: 3,557 tons, 32.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,168 tons, 28.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,199 tons, 10.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 12 tons, 0.1 %
- Hull below water: 12 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
8,153 lbs / 3,698 Kg = 19.3 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.44
Metacentric height 5.0 ft / 1.5 m
Roll period: 12.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.28
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.48
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.520 / 0.526
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.50 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.18 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 13.00 %, 18.86 ft / 5.75 m, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
- Aft deck: 49.00 %, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
- Quarter deck: 8.00 %, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
- Average freeboard: 14.98 ft / 4.57 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 122.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 114.8 %
Waterplane Area: 21,914 Square feet or 2,036 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 106 lbs/sq ft or 518 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.36
- Overall: 1.01
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Adequate accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Miscellaneous weight accounts for 4 18" submerged broadside torpedo tubes, with 8 reload torpedoes.
KWORLD Thank you, that served as a base for this design.
QuoteAC-1900, Austria-Hungary Armored Cruiser laid down 1900
Displacement:
10,501 t light; 10,932 t standard; 11,722 t normal; 12,353 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(492.13 ft / 492.13 ft) x 65.62 ft x (22.97 / 23.94 ft)
(150.00 m / 150.00 m) x 20.00 m x (7.00 / 7.30 m)
Armament:
4 - 9.45" / 240 mm 45.0 cal guns - 425.38lbs / 192.95kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 5.91" / 150 mm 45.0 cal guns - 103.86lbs / 47.11kg shells, 200 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 - 2.76" / 70.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 10.56lbs / 4.79kg shells, 300 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
4 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.20lbs / 1.45kg shells, 300 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
4 double raised mounts
Weight of broadside 2,587 lbs / 1,174 kg
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.91" / 150 mm 413.39 ft / 126.00 m 9.71 ft / 2.96 m
Ends: 3.94" / 100 mm 78.74 ft / 24.00 m 9.71 ft / 2.96 m
Main Belt covers 129 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 9.45" / 240 mm 5.91" / 150 mm 7.87" / 200 mm
2nd: 3.94" / 100 mm - 3.94" / 100 mm
3rd: 0.98" / 25 mm - -
- Armoured deck - single deck:
For and Aft decks: 2.76" / 70 mm
Forecastle: 1.97" / 50 mm Quarter deck: 1.97" / 50 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 5.91" / 150 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 26,082 ihp / 19,457 Kw = 22.50 kts
Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,421 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
563 - 732
Cost:
£1.139 million / $4.558 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 514 tons, 4.4 %
- Guns: 514 tons, 4.4 %
Armour: 2,706 tons, 23.1 %
- Belts: 1,069 tons, 9.1 %
- Armament: 438 tons, 3.7 %
- Armour Deck: 1,133 tons, 9.7 %
- Conning Tower: 66 tons, 0.6 %
Machinery: 4,075 tons, 34.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,194 tons, 27.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,220 tons, 10.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 12 tons, 0.1 %
- Hull below water: 12 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
7,719 lbs / 3,501 Kg = 18.3 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.46
Metacentric height 5.1 ft / 1.6 m
Roll period: 12.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.27
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.38
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.553 / 0.559
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.50 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.18 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 13.00 %, 18.86 ft / 5.75 m, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
- Aft deck: 49.00 %, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
- Quarter deck: 8.00 %, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
- Average freeboard: 14.98 ft / 4.57 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 128.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 112.9 %
Waterplane Area: 22,604 Square feet or 2,100 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 92 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 104 lbs/sq ft or 510 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.30
- Overall: 1.00
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Adequate accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Miscellaneous weight accounts for 4 18" submerged broadside torpedo tubes, with 8 reload torpedoes.
Don't know that I'd be happy with only 2 70mms and 2 3-pounders on each side as TB defenses myself. Given how narrow the seas where the Austrians operate are...... no, I wouldn't be happy. But it's not my ship. :)
with 20.5 knot BBs in service I cant justify a 22 knot AC weighing only 3K tons less than them... However I imagine the mission for these would be as raiders/fast heavy scouts for the battleline. In that mission they would chew up my PCs so I would have to say its a reasonable ship. (outside the sorta light anti TB/DD battery)
Quote from: KWorld on October 10, 2012, 12:28:29 PM
Don't know that I'd be happy with only 2 70mms and 2 3-pounders on each side as TB defenses myself. Given how narrow the seas where the Austrians operate are...... no, I wouldn't be happy. But it's not my ship. :)
Quote from: Tanthalas on October 10, 2012, 12:36:34 PM
with 20.5 knot BBs in service I cant justify a 22 knot AC weighing only 3K tons less than them... However I imagine the mission for these would be as raiders/fast heavy scouts for the battleline. In that mission they would chew up my PCs so I would have to say its a reasonable ship. (outside the sorta light anti TB/DD battery)
Quote from: KWorld on October 10, 2012, 12:28:29 PM
Don't know that I'd be happy with only 2 70mms and 2 3-pounders on each side as TB defenses myself. Given how narrow the seas where the Austrians operate are...... no, I wouldn't be happy. But it's not my ship. :)
Its not final design, I can double the 70/47mm guns with no real effort. Since A-H BB's are 18 knot designs a 22.5 knot design is a real bonus. Also this will odds are be built for the Black Sea. If no one buys the 4 BP I have for sale then it will be a two ship both in the Adriatic.
Michael
Depending on who else has BP to offer for Sale, Italia may be interested in the ones your offering likley as 500 ton DDs without guns (since I use a mismash of German and British guns) but it all depends at this point...
Quote from: miketr on October 10, 2012, 12:47:19 PM
Quote from: Tanthalas on October 10, 2012, 12:36:34 PM
with 20.5 knot BBs in service I cant justify a 22 knot AC weighing only 3K tons less than them... However I imagine the mission for these would be as raiders/fast heavy scouts for the battleline. In that mission they would chew up my PCs so I would have to say its a reasonable ship. (outside the sorta light anti TB/DD battery)
Quote from: KWorld on October 10, 2012, 12:28:29 PM
Don't know that I'd be happy with only 2 70mms and 2 3-pounders on each side as TB defenses myself. Given how narrow the seas where the Austrians operate are...... no, I wouldn't be happy. But it's not my ship. :)
Its not final design, I can double the 70/47mm guns with no real effort. Since A-H BB's are 18 knot designs a 22.5 knot design is a real bonus. Also this will odds are be built for the Black Sea. If no one buys the 4 BP I have for sale then it will be a two ship both in the Adriatic.
Michael
So broadside of four 70mm and four 47mm for anti-torpedo boat work.
Michael
QuoteAC-1900-b, Austria-Hungary Armored Cruiser laid down 1900
Displacement:
10,500 t light; 10,940 t standard; 11,730 t normal; 12,362 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(492.13 ft / 492.13 ft) x 65.62 ft x (22.97 / 23.94 ft)
(150.00 m / 150.00 m) x 20.00 m x (7.00 / 7.30 m)
Armament:
4 - 9.45" / 240 mm 45.0 cal guns - 425.38lbs / 192.95kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 5.91" / 150 mm 45.0 cal guns - 103.86lbs / 47.11kg shells, 200 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
8 - 2.76" / 70.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 10.56lbs / 4.79kg shells, 300 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
4 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.20lbs / 1.45kg shells, 300 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
4 x Single mounts layout not set
4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
4 double raised mounts
Weight of broadside 2,642 lbs / 1,199 kg
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.91" / 150 mm 413.39 ft / 126.00 m 9.71 ft / 2.96 m
Ends: 3.94" / 100 mm 78.74 ft / 24.00 m 9.71 ft / 2.96 m
Main Belt covers 129 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 9.45" / 240 mm 5.91" / 150 mm 7.87" / 200 mm
2nd: 3.94" / 100 mm - 3.94" / 100 mm
3rd: 0.98" / 25 mm - -
- Armoured deck - single deck:
For and Aft decks: 2.76" / 70 mm
Forecastle: 1.97" / 50 mm Quarter deck: 1.97" / 50 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 5.91" / 150 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 26,097 ihp / 19,468 Kw = 22.50 kts
Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,422 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
563 - 732
Cost:
£1.143 million / $4.570 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 525 tons, 4.5 %
- Guns: 525 tons, 4.5 %
Armour: 2,714 tons, 23.1 %
- Belts: 1,069 tons, 9.1 %
- Armament: 445 tons, 3.8 %
- Armour Deck: 1,134 tons, 9.7 %
- Conning Tower: 66 tons, 0.6 %
Machinery: 4,078 tons, 34.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,165 tons, 27.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,230 tons, 10.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 19 tons, 0.2 %
- Hull below water: 19 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
7,703 lbs / 3,494 Kg = 18.3 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 1.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.48
Metacentric height 5.2 ft / 1.6 m
Roll period: 12.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.26
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.38
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.554 / 0.560
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.50 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.18 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 13.00 %, 18.86 ft / 5.75 m, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
- Aft deck: 49.00 %, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
- Quarter deck: 8.00 %, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
- Average freeboard: 14.98 ft / 4.57 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 129.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 112.9 %
Waterplane Area: 22,612 Square feet or 2,101 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 91 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 104 lbs/sq ft or 506 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.30
- Overall: 1.00
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Adequate accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Miscellaneous weight accounts for 4 18" submerged broadside torpedo tubes, with 8 reload torpedoes.
7 tons of ballast
> 4 x Single mounts layout not set
And here's an alternative AC for Austria:
SMS Belgrade, Austria-Hungary Armored Cruiser laid down 1900
Displacement:
10,805 t light; 11,340 t standard; 12,146 t normal; 12,790 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(492.13 ft / 492.13 ft) x 65.62 ft x (24.61 / 25.62 ft)
(150.00 m / 150.00 m) x 20.00 m x (7.50 / 7.81 m)
Armament:
4 - 9.45" / 240 mm 45.0 cal guns - 425.38lbs / 192.95kg shells, 120 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 7.48" / 190 mm 45.0 cal guns - 211.07lbs / 95.74kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
16 - 2.76" / 70.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 9.92lbs / 4.50kg shells, 400 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 raised mounts
8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
4 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.20lbs / 1.45kg shells, 300 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
4 double raised mounts
Weight of broadside 3,562 lbs / 1,616 kg
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.91" / 150 mm 388.78 ft / 118.50 m 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
Ends: 3.94" / 100 mm 103.31 ft / 31.49 m 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
Upper: 3.94" / 100 mm 388.78 ft / 118.50 m 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
Main Belt covers 122 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 9.45" / 240 mm 5.91" / 150 mm 7.87" / 200 mm
2nd: 5.91" / 150 mm - 3.94" / 100 mm
3rd: 0.98" / 25 mm - -
- Armoured deck - single deck:
For and Aft decks: 1.97" / 50 mm
Forecastle: 1.18" / 30 mm Quarter deck: 1.97" / 50 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 5.91" / 150 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 24,260 ihp / 18,098 Kw = 22.00 kts
Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,451 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
578 - 752
Cost:
£1.157 million / $4.627 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 661 tons, 5.4 %
- Guns: 661 tons, 5.4 %
Armour: 3,184 tons, 26.2 %
- Belts: 1,833 tons, 15.1 %
- Armament: 484 tons, 4.0 %
- Armour Deck: 800 tons, 6.6 %
- Conning Tower: 67 tons, 0.6 %
Machinery: 3,791 tons, 31.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,133 tons, 25.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,340 tons, 11.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 37 tons, 0.3 %
- Hull below water: 12 tons
- Above deck: 25 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
8,217 lbs / 3,727 Kg = 19.5 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.38
Metacentric height 4.7 ft / 1.4 m
Roll period: 12.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.31
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.28
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.535 / 0.541
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.50 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.18 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 14.00 %, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Aft deck: 49.00 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Quarter deck: 7.00 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Average freeboard: 13.31 ft / 4.06 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 120.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 96.1 %
Waterplane Area: 22,222 Square feet or 2,064 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 92 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 107 lbs/sq ft or 523 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.27
- Overall: 1.00
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Adequate accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Below-water miscellaneous weight accounts for 4 18" submerged broadside torpedo tubes, with 8 reload torpedoes.
Above-deck miscellaneous weight allows for a long-range wireless set.
And a U-boat.....
SMS U-1, Austria-Hungary Submarine laid down 1900
Displacement:
125 t light; 128 t standard; 138 t normal; 146 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(98.43 ft / 98.43 ft) x 13.12 ft x (8.20 / 8.56 ft)
(30.00 m / 30.00 m) x 4.00 m x (2.50 / 2.61 m)
Machinery:
Petrol Internal combustion generators plus batteries,
Electric motors, 1 shaft, 177 shp / 132 Kw = 11.00 kts
Range 1,200nm at 8.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 18 tons
Complement:
19 - 26
Cost:
£0.010 million / $0.040 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 40 tons, 29.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 52 tons, 37.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 13 tons, 9.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 33 tons, 24.0 %
- Hull below water: 33 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
54 lbs / 25 Kg = 0.5 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.28
Metacentric height 0.4 ft / 0.1 m
Roll period: 9.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 2 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.00
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.455 / 0.461
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.50 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 9.92 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 0.10 ft / 0.03 m, 0.10 ft / 0.03 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 0.10 ft / 0.03 m, 0.10 ft / 0.03 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 0.10 ft / 0.03 m, 0.10 ft / 0.03 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 0.10 ft / 0.03 m, 0.10 ft / 0.03 m
- Average freeboard: 0.10 ft / 0.03 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 120.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 0.8 %
Waterplane Area: 789 Square feet or 73 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 122 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 42 lbs/sq ft or 205 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 2.38
- Longitudinal: 2.27
- Overall: 2.30
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Extremely poor accommodation and workspace room
Ship has quick, lively roll, not a steady gun platform
Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability
30 tons of below-water miscellaneous weight is ballast tankage.
3 tons of below-water miscellaneous weight support 2 bow 18" torpedo tubes, with 2 reload torpedoes.
Diving depths:
230 feet normal operations
368 feet emergency dive
575 feet crush depth
And another alternate AC, replacing the casemate mounted 19cm guns with turreted 19cm guns.
SMS Belgrade, Austria-Hungary Armored Cruiser laid down 1900
Displacement:
12,160 t light; 12,678 t standard; 13,536 t normal; 14,223 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(492.13 ft / 492.13 ft) x 73.82 ft x (24.61 / 25.57 ft)
(150.00 m / 150.00 m) x 22.50 m x (7.50 / 7.79 m)
Armament:
4 - 9.45" / 240 mm 45.0 cal guns - 425.38lbs / 192.95kg shells, 120 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
6 - 7.48" / 190 mm 45.0 cal guns - 211.07lbs / 95.74kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
16 - 2.76" / 70.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 9.92lbs / 4.50kg shells, 300 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 raised mounts
8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
4 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.20lbs / 1.45kg shells, 300 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
4 double raised mounts
Weight of broadside 3,139 lbs / 1,424 kg
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 6.69" / 170 mm 378.94 ft / 115.50 m 10.66 ft / 3.25 m
Ends: 4.72" / 120 mm 113.16 ft / 34.49 m 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
Upper: 4.72" / 120 mm 378.94 ft / 115.50 m 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
Main Belt covers 118 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 9.45" / 240 mm 5.91" / 150 mm 7.87" / 200 mm
2nd: 5.91" / 150 mm 3.94" / 100 mm 5.91" / 150 mm
3rd: 0.98" / 25 mm - -
- Armoured deck - single deck:
For and Aft decks: 1.57" / 40 mm
Forecastle: 1.18" / 30 mm Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 7.87" / 200 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 26,212 ihp / 19,554 Kw = 22.00 kts
Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,544 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
626 - 815
Cost:
£1.286 million / $5.146 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 770 tons, 5.7 %
- Guns: 770 tons, 5.7 %
Armour: 3,581 tons, 26.5 %
- Belts: 1,954 tons, 14.4 %
- Armament: 811 tons, 6.0 %
- Armour Deck: 720 tons, 5.3 %
- Conning Tower: 96 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 4,096 tons, 30.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,676 tons, 27.2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,376 tons, 10.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 37 tons, 0.3 %
- Hull below water: 12 tons
- Above deck: 25 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
9,514 lbs / 4,315 Kg = 22.6 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.31
Metacentric height 5.2 ft / 1.6 m
Roll period: 13.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.24
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.21
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.530 / 0.536
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.67 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.18 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 16.00 %, 17.22 ft / 5.25 m, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Aft deck: 47.00 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Quarter deck: 7.00 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Average freeboard: 13.79 ft / 4.20 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 117.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 101.8 %
Waterplane Area: 24,884 Square feet or 2,312 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 93 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 117 lbs/sq ft or 573 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.98
- Longitudinal: 1.26
- Overall: 1.01
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Adequate accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Below-water miscellaneous weight accounts for 4 18" submerged broadside torpedo tubes, with 8 reload torpedoes.
Above-deck miscellaneous weight allows for a long-range wireless set.
Quote from: KWorld on March 06, 2013, 09:56:19 AM
And another alternate AC, replacing the casemate mounted 19cm guns with turreted 19cm guns.
SMS Belgrade, Austria-Hungary Armored Cruiser laid down 1900
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
ERROR: Revise drives, 2 shafts, 26,212 ihp / 19,554 Kw = 22.00 kts
Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,544 tons (100% coal)
I notice both designs have this "revise drive" error, not sure what that's all about...
QuoteI notice both designs have this "revise drive" error, not sure what that's all about...
Probably something with the direct drive/geared drive/etc options sellected. Probably something done there that SS does not like.
Quote from: Walter on March 07, 2013, 04:07:47 AM
QuoteI notice both designs have this "revise drive" error, not sure what that's all about...
Probably something with the direct drive/geared drive/etc options sellected. Probably something done there that SS does not like.
It was that somehow both the Direct and Electric drive options got clicked, SS doesn't like that. Fixed.
And a new TB design, intended to go fast in a relatively calm sea.
TB, Austria Torpedo boat laid down 1900
Displacement:
260 t light; 269 t standard; 298 t normal; 321 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(199.16 ft / 196.85 ft) x 18.86 ft x (7.38 / 7.74 ft)
(60.71 m / 60.00 m) x 5.75 m x (2.25 / 2.36 m)
Armament:
2 - 2.76" / 70.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 9.92lbs / 4.50kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.00lbs / 1.36kg shells, 200 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
Weight of broadside 26 lbs / 12 kg
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 5,320 ihp / 3,968 Kw = 25.00 kts
Range 140nm at 25.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 52 tons (100% coal)
Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery
Complement:
35 - 46
Cost:
£0.036 million / $0.144 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 6 tons, 2.1 %
- Guns: 6 tons, 2.1 %
Machinery: 181 tons, 60.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 69 tons, 23.2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 37 tons, 12.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 4 tons, 1.3 %
- On freeboard deck: 4 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
58 lbs / 26 Kg = 5.5 x 2.8 " / 70 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.31
Metacentric height 0.7 ft / 0.2 m
Roll period: 9.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.11
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.00
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.380 / 0.391
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.43 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 14.03 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 76
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 12.30 ft / 3.75 m
- Forward deck: 10.00 %, 12.30 ft / 3.75 m, 12.30 ft / 3.75 m
- Aft deck: 55.00 %, 5.74 ft / 1.75 m, 5.74 ft / 1.75 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 5.74 ft / 1.75 m, 5.74 ft / 1.75 m
- Average freeboard: 7.78 ft / 2.37 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 201.5 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 82.9 %
Waterplane Area: 2,256 Square feet or 210 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 18 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 17 lbs/sq ft or 81 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 1.56
- Overall: 0.56
Extremely poor machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Cramped accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Carries 2 torpedoes in single center-line roatable mounts, with 2 more in fixed deck mounts.
Trials speed 30.36 knots
Cruise range at 10 knots is 1700 nm.