The Ottomans are having a design contest. And yes I'm being very vague. I want to see what comes up.
A battleship between 10,000 and 11,000 light tons: slow speed, heavy armor, heavy guns.
An armored cruiser between 8,000 and 9,000 tons: ~20/21 knots, heavy armor and heavy guns.
A destroyer leader between 1,000 and 1,300 tons: flagship facilities, ~26 knots, heavy gun armament for a destroyer in exchange for no torpedoes. Ships can be lighter than 1,000 tons if everything can be fit onto a smaller hull. Some miscellaneous weight left over for refits.
A destroyer around 425-475 light tons: light gun armament, ~26 or 27 knots, heavy torpedo armament, no need for long legs.
A torpedo boat between 250 and 300 light tons: very light gun armament, ~27 or 28 knots, heavy torpedo armament, short legs.
for the BB section, 10K light on the nose
Torgud Reis, Ottomans Battleship laid down 1895
Displacement:
10,000 t light; 10,577 t standard; 11,317 t normal; 11,909 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(400.00 ft / 400.00 ft) x 66.00 ft x (24.00 / 25.05 ft)
(121.92 m / 121.92 m) x 20.12 m x (7.32 / 7.63 m)
Armament:
4 - 12.00" / 305 mm 35.0 cal guns - 849.99lbs / 385.55kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1895 Model
2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
12 - 6.00" / 152 mm 40.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 4,600 lbs / 2,087 kg
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 12.0" / 305 mm 280.00 ft / 85.34 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Ends: 6.00" / 152 mm 120.00 ft / 36.58 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Upper: 7.00" / 178 mm 280.00 ft / 85.34 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 108 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 16.0" / 406 mm 5.00" / 127 mm 12.0" / 305 mm
2nd: 3.00" / 76 mm 1.00" / 25 mm -
- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 4.00" / 102 mm
Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 13.00" / 330 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7,693 ihp / 5,739 Kw = 16.00 kts
Range 4,500nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,332 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
548 - 713
Cost:
£0.820 million / $3.280 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 613 tons, 5.4 %
- Guns: 613 tons, 5.4 %
Armour: 4,827 tons, 42.7 %
- Belts: 2,699 tons, 23.9 %
- Armament: 686 tons, 6.1 %
- Armour Deck: 1,301 tons, 11.5 %
- Conning Tower: 141 tons, 1.2 %
Machinery: 1,304 tons, 11.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,257 tons, 28.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,317 tons, 11.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
17,106 lbs / 7,759 Kg = 19.8 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.25
Metacentric height 4.0 ft / 1.2 m
Roll period: 13.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 79 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.56
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.59
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.625 / 0.630
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.06 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 20.00 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 41 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 15.00 %, 14.00 ft / 4.27 m, 14.00 ft / 4.27 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 14.00 ft / 4.27 m, 14.00 ft / 4.27 m
- Aft deck: 40.00 %, 14.00 ft / 4.27 m, 14.00 ft / 4.27 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 14.00 ft / 4.27 m, 14.00 ft / 4.27 m
- Average freeboard: 14.00 ft / 4.27 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 62.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 96.2 %
Waterplane Area: 19,764 Square feet or 1,836 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 124 lbs/sq ft or 605 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.93
- Longitudinal: 1.95
- Overall: 1.00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Adequate accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
and the second offer (I like this one better honestly)
Torgud Reis, Ottomans Battleship laid down 1895
Displacement:
9,600 t light; 10,002 t standard; 10,683 t normal; 11,228 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(380.00 ft / 380.00 ft) x 64.00 ft x (25.00 / 26.06 ft)
(115.82 m / 115.82 m) x 19.51 m x (7.62 / 7.94 m)
Armament:
4 - 12.00" / 305 mm 35.0 cal guns - 849.99lbs / 385.55kg shells, 60 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1895 Model
2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
6 - 6.00" / 152 mm 40.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
6 x Single mounts on side ends, majority forward
6 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
2 - 6.00" / 152 mm 40.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
2 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
6 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.01lbs / 5.90kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
6 raised mounts
10 - 1.50" / 38.1 mm 45.0 cal guns - 2.01lbs / 0.91kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
10 x Single mounts on centreline, aft deck forward
10 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 4,298 lbs / 1,950 kg
Main Torpedoes
6 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 0.00 ft / 0.00 m torpedoes - 0.000 t each, 0.000 t total
In 1 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 14.0" / 356 mm 216.00 ft / 65.84 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Ends: 8.00" / 203 mm 164.00 ft / 49.99 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Upper: 10.0" / 254 mm 216.00 ft / 65.84 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 87 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 14.0" / 356 mm 5.00" / 127 mm 12.0" / 305 mm
2nd: 3.00" / 76 mm 3.00" / 76 mm -
3rd: 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm -
4th: 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm -
- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 12.00" / 305 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 9,500 ihp / 7,087 Kw = 17.04 kts
Range 4,300nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,225 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
525 - 683
Cost:
£0.837 million / $3.347 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 593 tons, 5.6 %
- Guns: 593 tons, 5.6 %
Armour: 4,239 tons, 39.7 %
- Belts: 2,566 tons, 24.0 %
- Armament: 721 tons, 6.8 %
- Armour Deck: 827 tons, 7.7 %
- Conning Tower: 125 tons, 1.2 %
Machinery: 1,610 tons, 15.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,028 tons, 28.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,083 tons, 10.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 130 tons, 1.2 %
- On freeboard deck: 130 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
13,908 lbs / 6,309 Kg = 16.1 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.22
Metacentric height 3.7 ft / 1.1 m
Roll period: 14.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 77 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.62
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.58
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.615 / 0.620
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.94 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19.49 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -40.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 16.00 %, 18.00 ft / 5.49 m, 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Forward deck: 33.00 %, 18.00 ft / 5.49 m, 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Aft deck: 24.00 %, 11.00 ft / 3.35 m, 11.00 ft / 3.35 m
- Quarter deck: 27.00 %, 11.00 ft / 3.35 m, 11.00 ft / 3.35 m
- Average freeboard: 14.43 ft / 4.40 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 73.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 98.5 %
Waterplane Area: 18,034 Square feet or 1,675 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 123 lbs/sq ft or 599 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.91
- Longitudinal: 2.21
- Overall: 1.00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Adequate accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
This one's based on USS Iowa, but upgunned....
Turgut Reis, Turkish Battleship laid down 1895
Displacement:
9,901 t light; 10,548 t standard; 11,286 t normal; 11,877 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(370.80 ft / 360.00 ft) x 72.00 ft x (24.00 / 25.06 ft)
(113.02 m / 109.73 m) x 21.95 m x (7.32 / 7.64 m)
Armament:
4 - 12.00" / 305 mm 35.0 cal guns - 870.01lbs / 394.63kg shells, 60 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1895 Model
2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 8.00" / 203 mm 40.0 cal guns - 259.99lbs / 117.93kg shells, 120 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1895 Model
4 x Twin mounts on side ends, evenly spread
12 - 6.00" / 152 mm 40.0 cal guns - 105.01lbs / 47.63kg shells, 180 per gun
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1894 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in any sea
6 - 4.00" / 102 mm 40.0 cal guns - 30.00lbs / 13.61kg shells, 250 per gun
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
12 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 6.00lbs / 2.72kg shells, 400 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
12 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 7,072 lbs / 3,208 kg
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 14.0" / 356 mm 216.00 ft / 65.84 m 11.00 ft / 3.35 m
Ends: 6.00" / 152 mm 143.98 ft / 43.89 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Upper: 6.00" / 152 mm 108.00 ft / 32.92 m 7.00 ft / 2.13 m
Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 14.0" / 356 mm 8.00" / 203 mm 10.0" / 254 mm
2nd: 6.00" / 152 mm 4.00" / 102 mm 5.00" / 127 mm
3rd: 6.00" / 152 mm - 4.00" / 102 mm
4th: 2.00" / 51 mm - -
- Armoured deck - single deck:
For and Aft decks: 2.50" / 64 mm
Forecastle: 2.50" / 64 mm Quarter deck: 2.50" / 64 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 14.00" / 356 mm, Aft 6.00" / 152 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 9,077 ihp / 6,771 Kw = 16.50 kts
Range 4,500nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,329 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
546 - 711
Cost:
£1.025 million / $4.098 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,069 tons, 9.5 %
- Guns: 1,069 tons, 9.5 %
Armour: 4,235 tons, 37.5 %
- Belts: 2,149 tons, 19.0 %
- Armament: 957 tons, 8.5 %
- Armour Deck: 913 tons, 8.1 %
- Conning Towers: 217 tons, 1.9 %
Machinery: 1,538 tons, 13.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,044 tons, 27.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,386 tons, 12.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 7 tons, 0.1 %
- Hull below water: 7 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
11,355 lbs / 5,150 Kg = 13.1 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.29
Metacentric height 4.8 ft / 1.5 m
Roll period: 13.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 67 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.37
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.06
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.635 / 0.640
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 18.97 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 63
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.80 ft / 1.16 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 15.00 ft / 4.57 m, 13.00 ft / 3.96 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 13.00 ft / 3.96 m, 13.00 ft / 3.96 m
- Aft deck: 30.00 %, 6.00 ft / 1.83 m, 6.00 ft / 1.83 m
- Quarter deck: 20.00 %, 6.00 ft / 1.83 m, 6.00 ft / 1.83 m
- Average freeboard: 9.66 ft / 2.94 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 83.1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 64.9 %
Waterplane Area: 19,584 Square feet or 1,819 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 96 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 138 lbs/sq ft or 675 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.94
- Longitudinal: 1.80
- Overall: 1.00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Cramped accommodation and workspace room
Miscellaneous weight covers 4 side-mounted submerged 18" torpedo tubes and 8 reload torpedoes.
Thank you for the battleships. Anyone want to take a crack at an armored cruiser?
For the AC's, I can offer the Ariadne design.
For DDs, I can offer both the Chamois and Destructive class designs.
Quote from: snip on October 06, 2012, 11:58:12 PM
For the AC's, I can offer the Ariadne design.
For DDs, I can offer both the Chamois and Destructive class designs.
I may be taking you up on that offer. Now priorities for ship=classes are in the destroyer leader and torpedo boat designs.
Quote from: Darman on October 07, 2012, 12:39:25 AM
Quote from: snip on October 06, 2012, 11:58:12 PM
For the AC's, I can offer the Ariadne design.
For DDs, I can offer both the Chamois and Destructive class designs.
I may be taking you up on that offer. Now priorities for ship=classes are in the destroyer leader and torpedo boat designs.
As far as TBs & DDs go, the US can offer the Rowan, Stringham, and Dahlgren designs.
For the ACs, the US can offer:
Mehmet Ali, Turkish Armored Cruiser laid down 1897
Displacement:
7,978 t light; 8,307 t standard; 8,887 t normal; 9,351 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(394.80 ft / 384.00 ft) x 67.50 ft x (24.00 / 24.94 ft)
(120.34 m / 117.04 m) x 20.57 m x (7.32 / 7.60 m)
Armament:
6 - 8.00" / 203 mm 40.0 cal guns - 259.99lbs / 117.93kg shells, 80 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1897 Model
2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
14 - 5.00" / 127 mm 40.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 180 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1897 Model
14 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
10 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
12 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 5.71lbs / 2.59kg shells, 300 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
12 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 2,328 lbs / 1,056 kg
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 6.00" / 152 mm 276.48 ft / 84.27 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Ends: 4.00" / 102 mm 107.50 ft / 32.77 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Upper: 4.00" / 102 mm 276.48 ft / 84.27 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 111 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 6.50" / 165 mm 4.00" / 102 mm 5.00" / 127 mm
2nd: 4.00" / 102 mm - -
- Armoured deck - single deck:
For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
Forecastle: 2.00" / 51 mm Quarter deck: 2.00" / 51 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 6.00" / 152 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 15,224 ihp / 11,357 Kw = 20.00 kts
Range 4,250nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,044 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
456 - 594
Cost:
£0.791 million / $3.162 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 458 tons, 5.2 %
- Guns: 458 tons, 5.2 %
Armour: 2,589 tons, 29.1 %
- Belts: 1,425 tons, 16.0 %
- Armament: 464 tons, 5.2 %
- Armour Deck: 645 tons, 7.3 %
- Conning Tower: 55 tons, 0.6 %
Machinery: 2,496 tons, 28.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,429 tons, 27.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 909 tons, 10.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 7 tons, 0.1 %
- Hull below water: 7 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
8,338 lbs / 3,782 Kg = 32.6 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.45
Metacentric height 5.3 ft / 1.6 m
Roll period: 12.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.24
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.53
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.500 / 0.506
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.69 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19.60 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.80 ft / 1.16 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 18.00 %, 18.00 ft / 5.49 m, 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 15.00 ft / 4.57 m, 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Aft deck: 42.00 %, 15.00 ft / 4.57 m, 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Quarter deck: 10.00 %, 15.00 ft / 4.57 m, 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Average freeboard: 15.54 ft / 4.74 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 108.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 108.2 %
Waterplane Area: 17,270 Square feet or 1,604 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 104 lbs/sq ft or 509 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.91
- Longitudinal: 2.26
- Overall: 1.00
Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Adequate accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Miscellaneous weight accounts for 3 (bow, port, & starboard) submerged 18" torpedo tubes, with 9 reload torpedoes.
Thanks KWorld, when I get home from work I have some decisions to make.
Young Turk, Ottoman Empire Destroyer Leader laid down 1898
Displacement:
1,155 t light; 1,191 t standard; 1,300 t normal; 1,387 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(277.00 ft / 277.00 ft) x 26.00 ft x (13.00 / 13.64 ft)
(84.43 m / 84.43 m) x 7.92 m x (3.96 / 4.16 m)
Armament:
4 - 4.70" / 119 mm 40.0 cal guns - 49.75lbs / 22.57kg shells, 90 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
4 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 199 lbs / 90 kg
Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.75" / 19 mm 0.25" / 6 mm -
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 5,602 ihp / 4,179 Kw = 20.70 kts
Range 2,500nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 196 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
107 - 140
Cost:
£0.145 million / $0.578 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 31 tons, 2.4 %
Armour: 8 tons, 0.6 %
- Armament: 8 tons, 0.6 %
Machinery: 683 tons, 52.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 433 tons, 33.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 145 tons, 11.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
532 lbs / 241 Kg = 10.2 x 4.7 " / 119 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.32
Metacentric height 1.1 ft / 0.3 m
Roll period: 10.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.57
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.486 / 0.494
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.65 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 16.64 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 16.24 ft / 4.95 m, 11.61 ft / 3.54 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 11.61 ft / 3.54 m, 11.61 ft / 3.54 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 11.61 ft / 3.54 m, 11.61 ft / 3.54 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 11.61 ft / 3.54 m, 11.61 ft / 3.54 m
- Average freeboard: 11.98 ft / 3.65 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 176.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 97.9 %
Waterplane Area: 4,738 Square feet or 440 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 69 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 43 lbs/sq ft or 211 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.88
- Longitudinal: 3.26
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
any thoughts on the DL?
Borrowed the USS Dahlgren coastal torpedo boat design.
QuoteSultanhisar, Ottoman Empire Coastal Torpedo Boat laid down 1899
Displacement:
148 t light; 152 t standard; 162 t normal; 169 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(161.23 ft / 160.00 ft) x 15.50 ft x (6.00 / 6.18 ft)
(49.14 m / 48.77 m) x 4.72 m x (1.83 / 1.88 m)
Armament:
2 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 5.70lbs / 2.58kg shells, 120 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 - 0.24" / 6.0 mm 118.5 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.00kg shells, 800 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
2 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 11 lbs / 5 kg
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 3,413 ihp / 2,546 Kw = 24.00 kts
Range 65nm at 24.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 17 tons (100% coal)
Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery
Complement:
22 - 29
Cost:
£0.020 million / $0.080 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2 tons, 1.5 %
- Guns: 2 tons, 1.5 %
Machinery: 101 tons, 62.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 44 tons, 27.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 14 tons, 8.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 1 tons, 0.6 %
- On freeboard deck: 1 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
32 lbs / 14 Kg = 5.6 x 2.2 " / 57 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 0.4 ft / 0.1 m
Roll period: 10.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 83 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.14
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.93
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.380 / 0.387
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.32 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 12.65 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 67 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 90
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 7.00 ft / 2.13 m, 9.00 ft / 2.74 m
- Forward deck: 20.00 %, 6.50 ft / 1.98 m, 6.50 ft / 1.98 m
- Aft deck: 45.00 %, 6.50 ft / 1.98 m, 6.50 ft / 1.98 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 6.50 ft / 1.98 m, 6.50 ft / 1.98 m
- Average freeboard: 6.84 ft / 2.08 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 205.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 84.8 %
Waterplane Area: 1,506 Square feet or 140 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 15 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 15 lbs/sq ft or 71 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 2.09
- Overall: 0.57
Extremely poor machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Cramped accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather
Carries 2 18" 4m torpedoes in fixed deck-mounted tubes.
Trials speed 30.25 knots
Cruise range at 10 knots is 750 nm[/quote
Borrowed Chamois-class from UK
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Akhisar, Ottoman Empire Destroyer laid down 1896
Displacement:
470 t light; 482 t standard; 562 t normal; 626 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(220.00 ft / 220.00 ft) x 20.75 ft x (9.75 / 10.52 ft)
(67.06 m / 67.06 m) x 6.32 m x (2.97 / 3.21 m)
Armament:
1 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 40.0 cal gun - 12.50lbs / 5.67kg shells, 75 per gun
Quick firing gun in deck mount, 1896 Model
1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft
2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.31lbs / 1.50kg shells, 210 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread
1 raised mount
Weight of broadside 19 lbs / 9 kg
Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
2nd: 0.75" / 19 mm - -
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6,600 ihp / 4,924 Kw = 24.04 kts
Range 3,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 144 tons (100% coal)
Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery
Complement:
57 - 75
Cost:
£0.063 million / $0.252 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3 tons, 0.6 %
- Guns: 3 tons, 0.6 %
Armour: 6 tons, 1.0 %
- Armament: 6 tons, 1.0 %
Machinery: 326 tons, 58.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 110 tons, 19.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 92 tons, 16.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 25 tons, 4.4 %
- On freeboard deck: 25 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
116 lbs / 52 Kg = 8.6 x 3.0 " / 76 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.48
Metacentric height 0.9 ft / 0.3 m
Roll period: 9.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 53 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.06
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.05
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.442 / 0.456
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.60 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 14.83 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 8.00 ft / 2.44 m, 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 8.00 ft / 2.44 m, 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 8.00 ft / 2.44 m, 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 8.00 ft / 2.44 m, 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
- Average freeboard: 8.48 ft / 2.58 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 188.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 77.3 %
Waterplane Area: 2,893 Square feet or 269 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 25 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 19 lbs/sq ft or 93 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 1.33
- Overall: 0.55
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Cramped accommodation and workspace room
Trial Speed: 27knts
25 tons in miscellaneous weight? How many torpedoes is the Chamois carrying?
Once Again, its not all Torps... some of it is just general stuff.
Quote from: Delta Force on October 10, 2012, 11:06:44 PM
25 tons in miscellaneous weight? How many torpedoes is the Chamois carrying?
Quote from: Darman on October 10, 2012, 10:00:08 PM
Borrowed the USS Dahlgren coastal torpedo boat design.
QuoteSultanhisar, Ottoman Empire Coastal Torpedo Boat laid down 1899
Displacement:
148 t light; 152 t standard; 162 t normal; 169 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(161.23 ft / 160.00 ft) x 15.50 ft x (6.00 / 6.18 ft)
(49.14 m / 48.77 m) x 4.72 m x (1.83 / 1.88 m)
Armament:
2 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 5.70lbs / 2.58kg shells, 120 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 - 0.24" / 6.0 mm 118.5 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.00kg shells, 800 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
2 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 11 lbs / 5 kg
On this one, you'll probably want to replace the M1895s in 6mm Lee Navy with whatever the Ottoman Empire is using.