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Title: Koninklijke Marine
Post by: Desertfox on September 19, 2012, 12:18:03 AM
The Dutch historically had close connections with Germany, so KM ships will be based on German ones.

First up a frigate to patrol far off territories. Based on the German Victoria Louise class.

(http://www.german-navy.de/pics/hochseeflotte/victorialouise.gif)
Similar to above pic.

Java, Netherlands Frigate laid down 1895

Displacement:
   5,000 t light; 5,245 t standard; 6,433 t normal; 7,383 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   360.00 ft / 360.00 ft x 57.00 ft x 21.10 ft (normal load)
   109.73 m / 109.73 m x 17.37 m  x 6.43 m

Armament:
      2 - 8.27" / 210 mm guns in single mounts, 282.57lbs / 128.17kg shells, 1895 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1895 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      8 - 4.13" / 105 mm guns in single mounts, 35.32lbs / 16.02kg shells, 1895 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      4 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1895 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 1,260 lbs / 571 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   3 - 17.7" / 450 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3.94" / 100 mm   1.97" / 50 mm      1.97" / 50 mm
   2nd:   1.97" / 50 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 3.94" / 100 mm, Conning tower: 5.91" / 150 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 10,404 ihp / 7,761 Kw = 19.00 kts
   Range 7,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,138 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   358 - 466

Cost:
   £0.554 million / $2.217 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 157 tons, 2.4 %
   Armour: 1,159 tons, 18.0 %
      - Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 101 tons, 1.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,014 tons, 15.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 44 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 1,763 tons, 27.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,770 tons, 27.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,433 tons, 22.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 2.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5,091 lbs / 2,309 Kg = 18.0 x 8.3 " / 210 mm shells or 1.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.55
   Metacentric height 4.5 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 11.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.16
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.53

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.520
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.32 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.97 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Mid (50 %):      12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Stern:      12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Average freeboard:   12.40 ft / 3.78 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 116.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 88.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 13,926 Square feet or 1,294 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 85 lbs/sq ft or 417 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.84
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Title: Re: Koninklijke Marine
Post by: Tanthalas on September 19, 2012, 09:44:52 AM
*checks his pulse* Yup im still alive... DF im impresed, its slowish and has armor (although with the lack of a belt I assume its a PC) a great departure from what us vets had come to expect from you, and here I am planing to produce a 20+ knot battleship with tinclading (oh how the roles have reversed eh I honestly expected a version of your super cruisers).
Title: Re: Koninklijke Marine
Post by: Desertfox on September 19, 2012, 11:40:11 AM
Don't you worry... They will come in due time. The reason I picked the Dutch is that they require big fast cruisers...
Title: Re: Koninklijke Marine
Post by: Tanthalas on September 19, 2012, 11:49:02 AM
I'll look forward to it, Italia has diferent needs honestly my fast BBs are an extravigance I just fell in love with them (somthing I generaly try to avoid).

Quote from: Desertfox on September 19, 2012, 11:40:11 AM
Don't you worry... They will come in due time. The reason I picked the Dutch is that they require big fast cruisers...
Title: Re: Koninklijke Marine
Post by: Desertfox on September 26, 2012, 12:09:43 PM
A cheap colonial gunboat to patrol the colonies, based on the German Iltis class. Plenty of misc weight for extra boats and marines.


(http://www.german-navy.de/pics/hochseeflotte/panther.gif)


Jaguar, Netherlands Colonial Gunboat laid down 1897

Displacement:
   701 t light; 724 t standard; 873 t normal; 992 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   210.00 ft / 210.00 ft x 29.00 ft x 11.40 ft (normal load)
   64.01 m / 64.01 m x 8.84 m  x 3.47 m

Armament:
      2 - 4.13" / 105 mm guns in single mounts, 35.32lbs / 16.02kg shells, 1897 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      6 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1897 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
   Weight of broadside 71 lbs / 32 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 1,081 ihp / 806 Kw = 14.00 kts
   Range 4,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 268 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   79 - 104

Cost:
   £0.057 million / $0.227 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 9 tons, 1.0 %
   Armour: 4 tons, 0.5 %
      - Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 0.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 177 tons, 20.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 270 tons, 31.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 172 tons, 19.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 240 tons, 27.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     962 lbs / 436 Kg = 27.2 x 4.1 " / 105 mm shells or 0.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
   Metacentric height 1.0 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 12.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.10
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.440
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.24 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 14.49 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 41 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 35
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Forecastle (10 %):   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Mid (50 %):      10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Stern:      10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Average freeboard:   10.20 ft / 3.11 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 103.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 92.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 3,854 Square feet or 358 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 130 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 40 lbs/sq ft or 196 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.89
      - Longitudinal: 2.85
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Title: Re: Koninklijke Marine
Post by: Nobody on September 26, 2012, 01:14:17 PM
You are using SpringSharp2?
Title: Re: Koninklijke Marine
Post by: snip on September 26, 2012, 01:17:49 PM
SS3 will be the offical sim this time around. Sorry I didn't catch your use of SS2 earlyer.
Title: Re: Koninklijke Marine
Post by: Desertfox on September 26, 2012, 06:59:50 PM
*grumbles* SS3? Really? Any chance we can stick with the simpler more user-friendly SS2?


A coastal battleship. A couple of these, some of the cruisers above, and a bunch of gunboats and the Netherlands should be set.

Prince of Orange, Netherlands Coastal Battleship laid down 1899

Displacement:
   4,000 t light; 4,341 t standard; 4,622 t normal; 4,847 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (300.00 ft / 300.00 ft) x 57.00 ft x (17.20 / 17.86 ft)
   (91.44 m / 91.44 m) x 17.37 m  x (5.24 / 5.44 m)

Armament:
      4 - 11.02" / 280 mm 45.0 cal guns - 675.51lbs / 306.40kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1899 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 4.13" / 105 mm 45.0 cal guns - 35.62lbs / 16.16kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      4 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 150 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 2,987 lbs / 1,355 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 0.00 ft / 0.00 m torpedoes - 0.000 t each, 0.000 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   170.00 ft / 51.82 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   130.00 ft / 39.62 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
     Main Belt covers 87 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      5.00" / 127 mm
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1.00" / 25 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 5.00" / 127 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 2,890 ihp / 2,156 Kw = 14.00 kts
   Range 3,100nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 506 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   279 - 364

Cost:
   £0.470 million / $1.881 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 536 tons, 11.6 %
      - Guns: 536 tons, 11.6 %
   Armour: 1,239 tons, 26.8 %
      - Belts: 699 tons, 15.1 %
      - Armament: 288 tons, 6.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 223 tons, 4.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 30 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 458 tons, 9.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,717 tons, 37.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 622 tons, 13.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 1.1 %
      - On freeboard deck: 50 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5,666 lbs / 2,570 Kg = 8.5 x 11.0 " / 280 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.36
   Metacentric height 3.7 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 12.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.56
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.52

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.550 / 0.555
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.26 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.32 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 40 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m
      - Average freeboard:      11.24 ft / 3.43 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 86.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 89.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 11,934 Square feet or 1,109 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 118 lbs/sq ft or 574 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.42
      - Overall: 1.01
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Title: Re: Koninklijke Marine
Post by: snip on September 26, 2012, 07:37:39 PM
The 11" guns should be L40 or lower.

Quote*grumbles* SS3? Really? Any chance we can stick with the simpler more user-friendly SS2?
This change has been announced for a very long time. SS3 shal be the version of SpringSharp.
Title: Re: Koninklijke Marine
Post by: Desertfox on September 26, 2012, 07:40:54 PM
I thought that was for N-verse 4.0 and we were going back to the rules from N-verse 3.0.
Title: Re: Koninklijke Marine
Post by: snip on September 26, 2012, 08:15:08 PM
With some changes, we are. SS3 is one of those changes.
Title: Re: Koninklijke Marine
Post by: Darman on September 26, 2012, 09:43:40 PM
Austria might be interested in a version of your coastal BB, if you'd care to design a slightly larger one as a challenge?
Title: Re: Koninklijke Marine
Post by: Logi on September 26, 2012, 10:18:05 PM
Spain is quite interested in the coastal battleships too - but I'll wait for the challenge version - if you decide to take it up.
Title: Re: Koninklijke Marine
Post by: Desertfox on September 26, 2012, 10:25:11 PM
Sure I'm up, what do you guys want on it?
Title: Re: Koninklijke Marine
Post by: Desertfox on October 10, 2012, 03:23:58 PM
Fixed the CDS, 3 will be in service at start date.

Prince of Orange, Netherlands Coastal Battleship laid down 1899

Displacement:
   4,001 t light; 4,341 t standard; 4,622 t normal; 4,847 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (300.00 ft / 300.00 ft) x 57.00 ft x (17.20 / 17.86 ft)
   (91.44 m / 91.44 m) x 17.37 m  x (5.24 / 5.44 m)

Armament:
      4 - 11.02" / 280 mm 40.0 cal guns - 670.01lbs / 303.91kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1899 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 4.13" / 105 mm 45.0 cal guns - 35.62lbs / 16.16kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1899 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 150 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 2,965 lbs / 1,345 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 0.00 ft / 0.00 m torpedoes - 0.000 t each, 0.000 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   170.00 ft / 51.82 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   130.00 ft / 39.62 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
     Main Belt covers 87 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      5.00" / 127 mm
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1.00" / 25 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 7.00" / 178 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 2,890 ihp / 2,156 Kw = 14.00 kts
   Range 3,100nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 506 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   279 - 364

Cost:
   £0.431 million / $1.725 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 460 tons, 9.9 %
      - Guns: 460 tons, 9.9 %
   Armour: 1,245 tons, 26.9 %
      - Belts: 699 tons, 15.1 %
      - Armament: 281 tons, 6.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 223 tons, 4.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 42 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 459 tons, 9.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,778 tons, 38.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 620 tons, 13.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 60 tons, 1.3 %
      - Hull below water: 10 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 50 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     6,193 lbs / 2,809 Kg = 9.2 x 11.0 " / 280 mm shells or 1.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.38
   Metacentric height 3.8 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 12.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.54
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.55

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.550 / 0.555
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.26 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.32 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 40 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m
      - Average freeboard:      11.24 ft / 3.43 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 79.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 89.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 11,934 Square feet or 1,109 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 120 lbs/sq ft or 584 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 2.54
      - Overall: 1.05
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Title: Re: Koninklijke Marine
Post by: Desertfox on October 10, 2012, 03:55:35 PM
Updated the frigates. 5 of these will be in service at game start.


Java, Netherlands Frigate laid down 1896

Displacement:
   4,002 t light; 4,218 t standard; 5,119 t normal; 5,841 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (354.56 ft / 350.00 ft) x 55.00 ft x (17.90 / 19.83 ft)
   (108.07 m / 106.68 m) x 16.76 m  x (5.46 / 6.04 m)

Armament:
      2 - 8.27" / 210 mm 45.0 cal guns - 284.99lbs / 129.27kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1896 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 5.91" / 150 mm 45.0 cal guns - 103.99lbs / 47.17kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1896 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 4.13" / 105 mm 45.0 cal guns - 35.62lbs / 16.16kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 200 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 1,271 lbs / 577 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 0.00 ft / 0.00 m torpedoes - 0.000 t each, 0.000 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2.95" / 75 mm   270.00 ft / 82.30 m   5.00 ft / 1.52 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 119 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3.94" / 100 mm   1.97" / 50 mm      1.97" / 50 mm
   2nd:   1.97" / 50 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.95" / 75 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 9,140 ihp / 6,818 Kw = 19.00 kts
   Range 9,400nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,623 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   302 - 393

Cost:
   £0.440 million / $1.761 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 266 tons, 5.2 %
      - Guns: 266 tons, 5.2 %
   Armour: 751 tons, 14.7 %
      - Belts: 166 tons, 3.2 %
      - Armament: 94 tons, 1.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 491 tons, 9.6 %
   Machinery: 1,523 tons, 29.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,391 tons, 27.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,118 tons, 21.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 70 tons, 1.4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 70 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     4,848 lbs / 2,199 Kg = 17.2 x 8.3 " / 210 mm shells or 1.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.78
   Metacentric height 5.2 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 10.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.17
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.53

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.520 / 0.535
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.36 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.71 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m
      - Aft deck:   25.00 %,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m
      - Quarter deck:   25.00 %,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m
      - Average freeboard:      11.88 ft / 3.62 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 113.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 92.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 13,064 Square feet or 1,214 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 83 lbs/sq ft or 404 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.70
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Title: Re: Koninklijke Marine
Post by: KWorld on October 10, 2012, 05:26:07 PM
Range is very high, armament is a bit scattershot (don't know that 4 15cm guns in casemates are worth it), armor is weak, speed is marginal (not fast enough to catch a lot of smaller cruisers, and she's not armed or armored to deal with bigger ships).  Might be worth replacing the 21cm and 15cm guns with several 17cm guns and upping the speed if possible, so at least it can run down and kill enemy cruisers raiding the long Dutch commerce lanes.
Title: Re: Koninklijke Marine
Post by: Desertfox on October 10, 2012, 05:34:35 PM
It is based on the historical German Victoria Louise class: http://www.german-navy.de/hochseeflotte/ships/armoredcruiser/victorialouise/tech.html (http://www.german-navy.de/hochseeflotte/ships/armoredcruiser/victorialouise/tech.html)

Yeah its not perfect, but newer better ships will be coming soon.
Title: Re: Koninklijke Marine
Post by: miketr on October 10, 2012, 06:00:57 PM
Its a raider IMHO and thats about it.  I would cut the range down ALOT, 28% of the deep load is coal.  6,000 nm would do it, and fit another pair of 15 cm or four 105 with as much more speed as possible.  Does anyone in the game have a PC that is 20 knots?

Michael
Title: Re: Koninklijke Marine
Post by: KWorld on October 10, 2012, 06:22:49 PM
Quote from: miketr on October 10, 2012, 06:00:57 PM
Its a raider IMHO and thats about it.  I would cut the range down ALOT, 28% of the deep load is coal.  6,000 nm would do it, and fit another pair of 15 cm or four 105 with as much more speed as possible.  Does anyone in the game have a PC that is 20 knots?

All of my cruisers are at least 20 knots, the St. Paul's and the Montgomery's are both 21 knots.
Title: Re: Koninklijke Marine
Post by: snip on October 10, 2012, 06:29:04 PM
Mine are close
Title: Re: Koninklijke Marine
Post by: Tanthalas on October 10, 2012, 06:50:03 PM
every Single ship of the RM is atleast 20 Knots.
Title: Re: Koninklijke Marine
Post by: Logi on October 10, 2012, 08:46:24 PM
Quote from: miketr on October 10, 2012, 06:00:57 PMDoes anyone in the game have a PC that is 20 knots?
I have PCs that are 18 kts - but they have similar/slightly heavier armament than these and are smaller. My other cruisers are all faster than 20 kts.
Title: Re: Koninklijke Marine
Post by: Nobody on October 11, 2012, 03:44:24 AM
My Victoria Louise is almost entirely different. More than 900 tons bigger, only 19.5 kn, 3000 miles less range, 4 more 15 cm guns...