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I will move these around so they are grouped by type as I add more ships (possibly anyway).

for my first ship I give you the Splendid Cats class Battleship.  they are period acurate for 1900 on everything from the guns to tonage to the armor (based on the numbers given for a number of first class battleships in Firedmans and Conways) but they are a tad bit fast.

the class would consist of 4 ships with laydown dates all around 1900
Jaguar
Lion
Tiger
Panther

Jaguar, Italia First Class Battleship laid down 1900

Displacement:
   13,600 t light; 14,102 t standard; 15,837 t normal; 17,225 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (597.74 ft / 565.00 ft) x 65.00 ft x (30.00 / 31.98 ft)
   (182.19 m / 172.21 m) x 19.81 m  x (9.14 / 9.75 m)

Armament:
      4 - 11.00" / 279 mm 40.0 cal guns - 529.00lbs / 239.95kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      16 - 5.00" / 127 mm 50.0 cal guns - 60.01lbs / 27.22kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      2 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      Weight of broadside 3,076 lbs / 1,395 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   367.25 ft / 111.94 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ends:   2.00" / 51 mm   197.73 ft / 60.27 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   367.25 ft / 111.94 m   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      9.00" / 229 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9.00" / 229 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 20,000 ihp / 14,920 Kw = 20.26 kts
   Range 6,500nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,122 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   705 - 917

Cost:
   £1.177 million / $4.708 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 712 tons, 4.5 %
      - Guns: 712 tons, 4.5 %
   Armour: 4,940 tons, 31.2 %
      - Belts: 3,172 tons, 20.0 %
      - Armament: 815 tons, 5.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 830 tons, 5.2 %
      - Conning Tower: 122 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 3,094 tons, 19.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,615 tons, 29.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,237 tons, 14.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 239 tons, 1.5 %
      - Hull below water: 79 tons
      - Hull above water: 80 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 80 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     21,117 lbs / 9,579 Kg = 31.7 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 2.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
   Metacentric height 3.4 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 14.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.60
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.96

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low quarterdeck ,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.503 / 0.513
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.69 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.77 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 36 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 38
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 48.47 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  29.00 ft / 8.84 m,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      22.28 ft / 6.79 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 80.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 152.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 24,539 Square feet or 2,280 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 114 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 115 lbs/sq ft or 561 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.10
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

and yes I know the cross section is a bit low (ok so alot low but still there is a reason)

11" main battery?  Rather unusual for Italy.....  I'm also doubtful about the 2" end armor, and the bow is awfully pointy.

Quote from: KWorld on September 09, 2012, 03:01:55 PM
11" main battery?  Rather unusual for Italy.....  I'm also doubtful about the 2" end armor, and the bow is awfully pointy.

Italy had a 10/40 and a 12/40 circa 1898 I am simply averaging the 2 and using 11" for various reasons in regard to long term planing.  The ship is one of my Original SS2 ships from N2, the bow is simply asthetics, I like the way it looks in the drawing im working on (and I realy try to make my drawings and SS report match).  I am curently reworking the drawing puting in things I have learnd but what the heck ill post it up.

P.S.
I actualy expected objections to the freeboard =P 

> Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m

Well, this is a bit odd.....



If you go with an 11" here instead  of the 10" AND the 12", you'll have some problems fitting them on any ACs you build, without making them bigger.

Posted a pic up top, its still rough but ill finish it eventualy =P

Pic shows 4 hull casemates, sim has only 2.


Have to say, that bow looks perfectly hideous on that hull.  Also, sim is confused on whether you have 4 11" guns or 2 (there's only 2 single turrets).


What's the intention behind all the miscellaneous weight?

IMO,
Too much place between stacks.
Too aft position for the 3rd.
What a modern Spruance bow.

Jef

Quote from: Tanthalas on September 10, 2012, 01:21:48 AM
Posted a pic up top, its still rough but ill finish it eventualy =P

The pic looks a bit funny, yet great. Especially superstructure and turrets. How do you do that?

If I had to guess:

• underwater hull: Derfflinger
  
• chimneys: Imperator
  
• bow: Ticonderoga

@Jef not a Spruance but since the Ticondarogas were based off them close enough, the idea started out as what would a Ticondaroga look like in 1900.

@Nobody its kinda funky looking but yeah your right it just calls to me for some reason even I cant place.  As to how I posted the pic (what I think your asking about the code is below
[xurl=http:URL TO YOUR PICTUE][img width=half original image height=half original image]http://URL TO YOUR PICTURE[/img][/url]
Just remove the X at the start, add your sizes and links.

Underwatter hull is a mix of pure me (aft) and Derfflinger foreward (im not happy with it honestly)
Stacks are based loosley on Mikasa as is the superstructure(very very loosley)
Bow is pure Tico although modified a bit.

Quote from: Nobody on September 10, 2012, 05:23:56 AM

Quote from: Tanthalas on September 10, 2012, 01:21:48 AM
Posted a pic up top, its still rough but ill finish it eventualy =P

The pic looks a bit funny, yet great. Especially superstructure and turrets. How do you do that?

If I had to guess:

• underwater hull: Derfflinger
  
• chimneys: Imperator
  
• bow: Ticonderoga
  

Quote from: Tanthalas on September 10, 2012, 11:33:22 AM
As to how I posted the pic (what I think your asking about the code is below
[xurl=http:URL TO YOUR PICTUE][img width=half original image height=half original image]http://URL TO YOUR PICTURE[/img][/url]
Just remove the X at the start, add your sizes and links.

Lol no. I was asking about the art. It was also intended as a slightly rhetoric question.

ahhh as to the art im a member of shipbucket, I like drawing ships, even if as this one they end up slightly funky (I still like it).  I have found that personaly it limits the tendancy to cram more stuff on just because it will fit (an example is I moved one of the 5" down a deck because it was a bit cramped on the weather deck)

Quote from: Nobody on September 10, 2012, 01:08:41 PM

Quote from: Tanthalas on September 10, 2012, 11:33:22 AM
As to how I posted the pic (what I think your asking about the code is below
[xurl=http:URL TO YOUR PICTUE][img width=half original image height=half original image]http://URL TO YOUR PICTURE[/img][/url]
Just remove the X at the start, add your sizes and links.

Lol no. I was asking about the art. It was also intended as a slightly rhetoric question.

well here she is the drawing is more or less compleat (im still toying around with some shading and Riviting the hull).  Included is the updated Spring Sharp report.

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Regina Elena, Italia Battleship laid down 1896

Displacement:
   13,600 t light; 14,163 t standard; 15,132 t normal; 15,907 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (474.00 ft / 474.00 ft) x 73.00 ft x (27.60 / 28.72 ft)
   (144.48 m / 144.48 m) x 22.25 m  x (8.41 / 8.75 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm 40.0 cal guns - 827.99lbs / 375.57kg shells, 70 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1896 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      8 - 8.00" / 203 mm 45.0 cal guns - 256.00lbs / 116.12kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1896 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.62lbs / 6.18kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1896 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.62lbs / 6.18kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5,578 lbs / 2,530 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   330.00 ft / 100.58 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   6.00" / 152 mm   144.00 ft / 43.89 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   6.00" / 152 mm   322.00 ft / 98.15 m   7.00 ft / 2.13 m
     Main Belt covers 107 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   6.00" / 152 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      5.00" / 127 mm
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.40" / 36 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9.00" / 229 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 22,000 ihp / 16,412 Kw = 20.55 kts
   Range 4,992nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,743 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   681 - 886

Cost:
   £1.469 million / $5.875 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,028 tons, 6.8 %
      - Guns: 1,028 tons, 6.8 %
   Armour: 3,989 tons, 26.4 %
      - Belts: 2,309 tons, 15.3 %
      - Armament: 967 tons, 6.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 594 tons, 3.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 119 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 3,667 tons, 24.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,896 tons, 32.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,532 tons, 10.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 21 tons, 0.1 %
      - On freeboard deck: 21 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     12,549 lbs / 5,692 Kg = 14.5 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 1.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.17
   Metacentric height 4.2 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 15.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.69
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.50

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.555 / 0.560
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.49 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.77 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   19.00 %,  26.00 ft / 7.92 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Aft deck:   32.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Quarter deck:   19.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.64 ft / 5.38 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 107.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 113.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 24,253 Square feet or 2,253 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 146 lbs/sq ft or 710 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 1.98
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather


21 tons misc weight is for whatever future expansion (Wireless proly)

A minor nit:

>      Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

DAMIT again... I have fixed that like 6 times, everytime I save it for some reason... Sufice it to say the produced version would fit within the bloody belt.

*edit* swaped the to short belt version for the one that actualy fits. aparently it was the misc weight since moving it on deck fixed the belt issue.

Quote from: KWorld on September 15, 2012, 02:42:23 PM
A minor nit:

>      Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

playing around with PCs/CLs got this opinions? remember its only for med service (or at worst colonial service)

PCX, Italia Protected Cruiser laid down 1896

Displacement:
   3,400 t light; 3,541 t standard; 3,862 t normal; 4,119 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (300.00 ft / 300.00 ft) x 50.00 ft x (20.00 / 20.99 ft)
   (91.44 m / 91.44 m) x 15.24 m  x (6.10 / 6.40 m)

Armament:
      4 - 8.00" / 203 mm 40.0 cal guns - 259.99lbs / 117.93kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 40.0 cal guns - 12.94lbs / 5.87kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1896 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in any sea
      Weight of broadside 1,143 lbs / 519 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5.00" / 127 mm   280.00 ft / 85.34 m   4.00 ft / 1.22 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 144 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2.00" / 51 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 5.00" / 127 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 9,735 ihp / 7,262 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 3,856nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 578 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   244 - 318

Cost:
   £0.385 million / $1.539 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 142 tons, 3.7 %
      - Guns: 142 tons, 3.7 %
   Armour: 733 tons, 19.0 %
      - Belts: 220 tons, 5.7 %
      - Armament: 55 tons, 1.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 432 tons, 11.2 %
      - Conning Tower: 27 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 1,573 tons, 40.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 933 tons, 24.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 462 tons, 12.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 19 tons, 0.5 %
      - Hull above water: 1 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 18 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     1,986 lbs / 901 Kg = 7.8 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 0.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.61
   Metacentric height 3.9 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 10.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 82 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.13
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.23

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.451 / 0.458
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.32 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 67
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m
      - Average freeboard:      10.15 ft / 3.09 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 143.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 71.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 9,121 Square feet or 847 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 87 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 71 lbs/sq ft or 347 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.20
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Same drill just playing around but I am drawing this one.  Opinions welcome as always.

PCX, Italia Protected Cruiser laid down 1896

Displacement:
   3,400 t light; 3,520 t standard; 3,943 t normal; 4,281 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (349.00 ft / 349.00 ft) x 43.00 ft x (17.50 / 18.66 ft)
   (106.38 m / 106.38 m) x 13.11 m  x (5.33 / 5.69 m)

Armament:
      6 - 6.00" / 152 mm 40.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 100 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 40.0 cal guns - 12.94lbs / 5.87kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 704 lbs / 319 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 18.0" / 457 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.519 t each, 1.038 t total
   submerged bow tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      1 - 18.0" / 457 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedo - 0.519 t total
   submerged stern tube

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2.00" / 51 mm   328.00 ft / 99.97 m   4.00 ft / 1.22 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 145 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 4.00" / 102 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 10,000 ihp / 7,460 Kw = 20.38 kts
   Range 5,002nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 761 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   248 - 323

Cost:
   £0.378 million / $1.514 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 115 tons, 2.9 %
      - Guns: 111 tons, 2.8 %
      - Weapons: 3 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 677 tons, 17.2 %
      - Belts: 102 tons, 2.6 %
      - Armament: 68 tons, 1.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 485 tons, 12.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 22 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 1,634 tons, 41.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 950 tons, 24.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 543 tons, 13.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 24 tons, 0.6 %
      - Hull below water: 9 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 15 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     1,890 lbs / 857 Kg = 17.5 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.51
   Metacentric height 2.8 ft / 0.9 m
   Roll period: 10.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.15
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.33

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck ,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.525 / 0.535
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.12 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.68 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  8.50 ft / 2.59 m,  8.50 ft / 2.59 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  8.50 ft / 2.59 m,  8.50 ft / 2.59 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      10.75 ft / 3.28 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 144.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 66.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 10,236 Square feet or 951 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 91 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 64 lbs/sq ft or 311 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.37
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

More Playing around inspired by the snip.

, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1890

Displacement:
   2,900 t light; 3,020 t standard; 3,370 t normal; 3,650 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (313.00 ft / 313.00 ft) x 43.00 ft x (17.00 / 18.12 ft)
   (95.40 m / 95.40 m) x 13.11 m  x (5.18 / 5.52 m)

Armament:
      2 - 6.00" / 152 mm 40.0 cal guns - 103.51lbs / 46.95kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      4 - 6.00" / 152 mm 40.0 cal guns - 103.51lbs / 46.95kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 32.27lbs / 14.64kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 879 lbs / 399 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -
   2nd:   2.00" / 51 mm         -               -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3.00" / 76 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 8,832 ihp / 6,589 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 4,100nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 631 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   220 - 287

Cost:
   £0.357 million / $1.426 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 123 tons, 3.6 %
      - Guns: 123 tons, 3.6 %
   Armour: 362 tons, 10.7 %
      - Armament: 58 tons, 1.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 289 tons, 8.6 %
      - Conning Tower: 15 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 1,547 tons, 45.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 868 tons, 25.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 470 tons, 14.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     1,320 lbs / 599 Kg = 12.2 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 0.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.56
   Metacentric height 3.0 ft / 0.9 m
   Roll period: 10.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.17
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.14

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.516 / 0.524
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.28 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.69 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 65
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      9.44 ft / 2.88 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 159.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 60.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 8,768 Square feet or 815 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 84 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 69 lbs/sq ft or 337 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.50
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Quote from: Tanthalas on September 18, 2012, 11:55:55 PM
More Playing around inspired by the snip.

I warnent a "the" in front of my name now? Cool 8)

Quote from: snip on September 19, 2012, 12:02:47 AM

Quote from: Tanthalas on September 18, 2012, 11:55:55 PM
More Playing around inspired by the snip.

I warnent a "the" in front of my name now? Cool 8)

Where did my ship go T.T

search me, I just work IT

A shorter leged much faster and better armed PC.

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1897

Displacement:
   5,600 t light; 5,787 t standard; 6,138 t normal; 6,419 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (449.00 ft / 449.00 ft) x 49.00 ft x (21.00 / 21.69 ft)
   (136.86 m / 136.86 m) x 14.94 m  x (6.40 / 6.61 m)

Armament:
      4 - 8.00" / 203 mm 40.0 cal guns - 245.35lbs / 111.29kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1897 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.62lbs / 6.18kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 1,090 lbs / 495 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.00" / 76 mm   442.00 ft / 134.72 m   4.00 ft / 1.22 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 151 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      4.00" / 102 mm

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 4.00" / 102 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 16,000 ihp / 11,936 Kw = 22.06 kts
   Range 2,998nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 632 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   346 - 450

Cost:
   £0.651 million / $2.602 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 216 tons, 3.5 %
      - Guns: 216 tons, 3.5 %
   Armour: 844 tons, 13.7 %
      - Belts: 201 tons, 3.3 %
      - Armament: 133 tons, 2.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 481 tons, 7.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 29 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 2,623 tons, 42.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,894 tons, 30.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 538 tons, 8.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 23 tons, 0.4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 23 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2,376 lbs / 1,078 Kg = 9.3 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 0.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
   Metacentric height 2.2 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 13.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 77 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.45
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.14

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.465 / 0.471
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.16 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.19 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 67
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Average freeboard:      10.72 ft / 3.27 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 151.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 78.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 14,211 Square feet or 1,320 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 88 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 90 lbs/sq ft or 438 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.98
      - Longitudinal: 1.13
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

So im still playing aorund with my Regina Elena knock off, and coming up with storyline reasons for various things I have decided (or potentialy might decide) to do.  Latest version uses 11/40 (http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_11-40_skc04.htm) instead of 12/35 (http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNBR_12-35_mk8.htm) as its main gun of choice, icreases deck protection by almost an inch and droped 100 tons for minor increase in speed.  Now that the technical stuff is out of the way on to the important information (aka the storyline justification)

In November of 1894 Italian naval designer Vittorio Cuniberti presented the design for what he belived would be the definitive battleship of its era to the Naval Board of the Regina Marina.  His proposed ship would match anything afloat at that time for firepower while being faster than any other battleship in the world and still maintain a reasonable level of protection.  Having heard his proposal the Naval Board as comittees tend to took its dear sweet time coming to a decision, however in October of 1895 finaly decided that the prposed ship was worth building and placed an imediate order for 4 with options on an aditional 4.

The original plan presented by Cuniberti had called for the ship to be armed with 12/35 armstrong guns, however owing to straind relations with the British crown the decision was made to instead arm it with German guns instead, leading to it reciving the Krupp 11/40.

and now the ship

Regina Elena, Italia Battleship laid down 1896

Displacement:
   13,500 t light; 14,026 t standard; 14,990 t normal; 15,761 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (474.00 ft / 474.00 ft) x 73.00 ft x (27.60 / 28.72 ft)
   (144.48 m / 144.48 m) x 22.25 m  x (8.41 / 8.75 m)

Armament:
      4 - 11.00" / 279 mm 40.0 cal guns - 529.00lbs / 239.95kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1896 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      8 - 8.00" / 203 mm 45.0 cal guns - 256.00lbs / 116.12kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1896 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.62lbs / 6.18kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1896 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.62lbs / 6.18kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4,382 lbs / 1,988 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   322.00 ft / 98.15 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   6.00" / 152 mm   144.00 ft / 43.89 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
     8.00 ft / 2.44 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   6.00" / 152 mm   322.00 ft / 98.15 m   7.00 ft / 2.13 m
     Main Belt covers 105 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   6.00" / 152 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      5.00" / 127 mm
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9.00" / 229 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 22,000 ihp / 16,412 Kw = 20.59 kts
   Range 4,999nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,736 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   676 - 880

Cost:
   £1.402 million / $5.609 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 917 tons, 6.1 %
      - Guns: 917 tons, 6.1 %
   Armour: 4,123 tons, 27.5 %
      - Belts: 2,282 tons, 15.2 %
      - Armament: 920 tons, 6.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 803 tons, 5.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 118 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 3,667 tons, 24.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,551 tons, 30.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,490 tons, 9.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 242 tons, 1.6 %
      - On freeboard deck: 242 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     13,205 lbs / 5,990 Kg = 19.8 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.18
   Metacentric height 4.3 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 14.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.53
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.53

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.549 / 0.555
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.49 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.77 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   19.00 %,  26.00 ft / 7.92 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Aft deck:   32.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Quarter deck:   19.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.64 ft / 5.38 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 104.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 113.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 24,135 Square feet or 2,242 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 96 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 136 lbs/sq ft or 662 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.90
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Just noticed the Regina Elena design has this problem:

Quote8.00 ft / 2.44 m Unarmoured ends

Quote from: Logi on September 20, 2012, 08:15:07 PM
Just noticed the Regina Elena design has this problem:

Quote8.00 ft / 2.44 m Unarmoured ends

How is it a problem? I have seen several ships that did not have a compleatly armored waterline.

Since I show the ends armored in the pic it is a problem, but only for someone as OCD as me...

Quote from: snip on September 20, 2012, 08:24:10 PM

Quote from: Logi on September 20, 2012, 08:15:07 PM
Just noticed the Regina Elena design has this problem:

Quote8.00 ft / 2.44 m Unarmoured ends

How is it a problem? I have seen several ships that did not have a compleatly armored waterline.

Not so happy with this one, but it is functional so ill go ahead and post it, opinions are as always welcome (but remember service will primarily be in the med)

Partenope class, Italia Torpedo Cruiser laid down 1890

Displacement:
   1,000 t light; 1,030 t standard; 1,112 t normal; 1,178 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (229.00 ft / 229.00 ft) x 27.00 ft x (12.00 / 12.56 ft)
   (69.80 m / 69.80 m) x 8.23 m  x (3.66 / 3.83 m)

Armament:
      2 - 4.70" / 119 mm 40.0 cal guns - 49.75lbs / 22.57kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mount, 1890 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline forward
      Weight of broadside 100 lbs / 45 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      6 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 12.00 ft / 3.66 m torpedoes - 0.300 t each, 1.801 t total
   In 6 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 1.00" / 25 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 5,000 ihp / 3,730 Kw = 20.02 kts
   Range 1,800nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 147 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   96 - 125

Cost:
   £0.122 million / $0.489 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 18 tons, 1.6 %
      - Guns: 15 tons, 1.4 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.2 %
   Armour: 72 tons, 6.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 69 tons, 6.2 %
      - Conning Tower: 2 tons, 0.2 %
   Machinery: 593 tons, 53.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 310 tons, 27.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 112 tons, 10.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 7 tons, 0.6 %
      - On freeboard deck: 7 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     414 lbs / 188 Kg = 8.0 x 4.7 " / 119 mm shells or 1.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.47
   Metacentric height 1.4 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 9.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 61 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.10
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.07

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.525 / 0.531
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.48 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.13 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   10.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Forward deck:   20.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Aft deck:   60.00 %,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m
      - Quarter deck:   10.00 %,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m
      - Average freeboard:      9.10 ft / 2.77 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 176.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 68.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 4,070 Square feet or 378 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 56 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 44 lbs/sq ft or 216 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.89
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room

> Armament:
>      2 - 4.70" / 119 mm 40.0 cal guns - 49.75lbs / 22.57kg shells, 150 per gun
>      Quick firing guns in deck mount, 1890 Model
>      1 x Single mount on centreline forward

I'm guessing there should be a second mount aft?

No other guns at all, not even 3 or 6 pounders?

Just for maneuverability's sake, I'd go with 2 shafts, not 1.

Early designs like this are problems to sim, I agree: I started to try to sim USS Olympia, but it definitely wasn't working.....

Olympias bigest problem in SS2 or SS3 is the mount rules we use, that and armor coverage... Conways calls for 6X57mm in adition to the pair of 4.7" guns however I had to do away with them to get the necessary misc weight for the Torpedos... thing was only suposed to weigh in at 873 tons standard but that was just totaly non functional (unless I built it under DD rules which we cant just yet)

Another posible version it deleats one of the 4.7" guns for 6 2.25 (57mm) "secondary" guns  and adds a second shaft (although if I deleat the second shaft and run it with one per OTL I can keep the second 4.7)

Partenope class, Italia Torpedo Cruiser laid down 1890

Displacement:
   1,000 t light; 1,029 t standard; 1,111 t normal; 1,176 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (229.00 ft / 229.00 ft) x 27.00 ft x (12.00 / 12.54 ft)
   (69.80 m / 69.80 m) x 8.23 m  x (3.66 / 3.82 m)

Armament:
      1 - 4.70" / 119 mm 40.0 cal gun - 49.76lbs / 22.57kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing gun in deck mount, 1890 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck centre
      6 - 2.25" / 57.2 mm 43.0 cal guns - 5.00lbs / 2.27kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 80 lbs / 36 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      6 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 12.00 ft / 3.66 m torpedoes - 0.300 t each, 1.801 t total
   In 6 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 1.00" / 25 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 4,988 ihp / 3,721 Kw = 20.01 kts
   Range 1,800nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 147 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   96 - 125

Cost:
   £0.122 million / $0.487 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 17 tons, 1.5 %
      - Guns: 14 tons, 1.3 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.2 %
   Armour: 74 tons, 6.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 72 tons, 6.5 %
      - Conning Tower: 2 tons, 0.2 %
   Machinery: 593 tons, 53.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 311 tons, 28.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 111 tons, 10.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 6 tons, 0.5 %
      - On freeboard deck: 6 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     418 lbs / 190 Kg = 8.0 x 4.7 " / 119 mm shells or 1.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.44
   Metacentric height 1.3 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 9.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 65 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.08
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.07

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.524 / 0.531
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.48 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.13 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 61
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   10.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Forward deck:   20.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Aft deck:   60.00 %,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m
      - Quarter deck:   10.00 %,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m
      - Average freeboard:      9.10 ft / 2.77 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 175.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 71.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 4,212 Square feet or 391 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 57 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 44 lbs/sq ft or 214 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.88
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room

the third version with 2X4.7 6X2.25 and 6 torps with a single shaft.

Partenope class, Italia Torpedo Cruiser laid down 1890

Displacement:
   1,000 t light; 1,030 t standard; 1,112 t normal; 1,178 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (229.00 ft / 229.00 ft) x 27.00 ft x (12.00 / 12.56 ft)
   (69.80 m / 69.80 m) x 8.23 m  x (3.66 / 3.83 m)

Armament:
      2 - 4.70" / 119 mm 40.0 cal guns - 49.76lbs / 22.57kg shells, 100 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread
      6 - 2.25" / 57.2 mm 43.0 cal guns - 5.00lbs / 2.27kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 130 lbs / 59 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      6 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 12.00 ft / 3.66 m torpedoes - 0.300 t each, 1.801 t total
   In 6 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 1.00" / 25 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 4,981 ihp / 3,716 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 1,800nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 147 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   96 - 125

Cost:
   £0.123 million / $0.494 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 24 tons, 2.2 %
      - Guns: 22 tons, 2.0 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.2 %
   Armour: 72 tons, 6.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 69 tons, 6.2 %
      - Conning Tower: 2 tons, 0.2 %
   Machinery: 589 tons, 53.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 309 tons, 27.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 112 tons, 10.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 6 tons, 0.5 %
      - On freeboard deck: 6 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     409 lbs / 186 Kg = 7.9 x 4.7 " / 119 mm shells or 1.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.44
   Metacentric height 1.3 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 9.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 63 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.13
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.07

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.525 / 0.531
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.48 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.13 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   10.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Forward deck:   20.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Aft deck:   60.00 %,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m
      - Quarter deck:   10.00 %,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m
      - Average freeboard:      9.10 ft / 2.77 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 176.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 68.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 4,068 Square feet or 378 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 56 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 45 lbs/sq ft or 219 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.89
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room

and yet another version Ditched the 57s, let it gain 500 tons and added another pair of 4.7s its a touch slower but over all I think its proly an improvment as its numbers are alot better.

Partenope class, Italia Torpedo Cruiser laid down 1890

Displacement:
   1,500 t light; 1,544 t standard; 1,651 t normal; 1,737 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (326.00 ft / 326.00 ft) x 32.60 ft x (12.00 / 12.44 ft)
   (99.36 m / 99.36 m) x 9.94 m  x (3.66 / 3.79 m)

Armament:
      4 - 4.70" / 119 mm 40.0 cal guns - 49.76lbs / 22.57kg shells, 100 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 199 lbs / 90 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      6 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 12.00 ft / 3.66 m torpedoes - 0.300 t each, 1.801 t total
   In 6 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.00" / 25 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 5,000 ihp / 3,730 Kw = 19.66 kts
   Range 1,800nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 193 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   129 - 168

Cost:
   £0.172 million / $0.690 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 33 tons, 2.0 %
      - Guns: 31 tons, 1.9 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 116 tons, 7.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 116 tons, 7.0 %
   Machinery: 796 tons, 48.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 534 tons, 32.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 151 tons, 9.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 20 tons, 1.2 %
      - Hull above water: 12 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 8 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     754 lbs / 342 Kg = 14.5 x 4.7 " / 119 mm shells or 1.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.53
   Metacentric height 1.9 ft / 0.6 m
   Roll period: 9.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.13
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.32

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.453 / 0.460
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.06 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   10.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Forward deck:   20.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Aft deck:   60.00 %,  6.00 ft / 1.83 m,  6.00 ft / 1.83 m
      - Quarter deck:   10.00 %,  6.00 ft / 1.83 m,  6.00 ft / 1.83 m
      - Average freeboard:      8.40 ft / 2.56 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 161.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 79.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 6,796 Square feet or 631 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 80 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 52 lbs/sq ft or 256 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.00
      - Longitudinal: 0.99
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

and quite posibly the final version, I did away with the deck armor compleatly (face it a 1" deck was a waste of tonage) added another 4.7" (5 total now), got it up to 20 knots and down to 1200 tons.  all in all I think they would be not bad little cruisers.

TC-1890, Italia Torpedo Cruiser laid down 1890

Displacement:
   1,200 t light; 1,240 t standard; 1,333 t normal; 1,407 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (293.53 ft / 291.00 ft) x 29.10 ft x (11.00 / 11.46 ft)
   (89.47 m / 88.70 m) x 8.87 m  x (3.35 / 3.49 m)

Armament:
      5 - 4.70" / 119 mm 40.0 cal guns - 49.75lbs / 22.57kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      Weight of broadside 249 lbs / 113 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      8 - 17.0" / 432 mm, 12.00 ft / 3.66 m torpedoes - 0.277 t each, 2.215 t total
   In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 5,000 ihp / 3,730 Kw = 20.08 kts
   Range 1,800nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 167 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   109 - 143

Cost:
   £0.150 million / $0.598 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 38 tons, 2.9 %
      - Guns: 34 tons, 2.5 %
      - Weapons: 4 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 693 tons, 52.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 442 tons, 33.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 133 tons, 10.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 26 tons, 2.0 %
      - On freeboard deck: 26 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     568 lbs / 258 Kg = 10.9 x 4.7 " / 119 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.51
   Metacentric height 1.6 ft / 0.5 m
   Roll period: 9.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.21
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.50

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.501 / 0.508
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.06 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 9.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   10.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Forward deck:   15.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Aft deck:   65.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Quarter deck:   10.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Average freeboard:      10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 175.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 91.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 5,648 Square feet or 525 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 67 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 49 lbs/sq ft or 238 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.43
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Quote from: Tanthalas on September 25, 2012, 11:33:01 AM
and quite posibly the final version, I did away with the deck armor compleatly (face it a 1" deck was a waste of tonage) added another 4.7" (5 total now), got it up to 20 knots and down to 1200 tons.  all in all I think they would be not bad little cruisers.

TC-1890, Italia Torpedo Cruiser laid down 1890

Displacement:
   1,200 t light; 1,240 t standard; 1,333 t normal; 1,407 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (293.53 ft / 291.00 ft) x 29.10 ft x (11.00 / 11.46 ft)
   (89.47 m / 88.70 m) x 8.87 m  x (3.35 / 3.49 m)

Armament:
      5 - 4.70" / 119 mm 40.0 cal guns - 49.75lbs / 22.57kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      Weight of broadside 249 lbs / 113 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      8 - 17.0" / 432 mm, 12.00 ft / 3.66 m torpedoes - 0.277 t each, 2.215 t total
   In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 5,000 ihp / 3,730 Kw = 20.08 kts
   Range 1,800nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 167 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   109 - 143

Cost:
   £0.150 million / $0.598 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 38 tons, 2.9 %
      - Guns: 34 tons, 2.5 %
      - Weapons: 4 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 693 tons, 52.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 442 tons, 33.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 133 tons, 10.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 26 tons, 2.0 %
      - On freeboard deck: 26 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     568 lbs / 258 Kg = 10.9 x 4.7 " / 119 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.51
   Metacentric height 1.6 ft / 0.5 m
   Roll period: 9.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.21
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.50

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.501 / 0.508
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.06 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 9.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   10.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Forward deck:   15.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Aft deck:   65.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Quarter deck:   10.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Average freeboard:      10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 175.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 91.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 5,648 Square feet or 525 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 67 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 49 lbs/sq ft or 238 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.43
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

I think at this point you'd be stuck with fixed above water mountings, I'm not aware (though certainly willing to be enlightened) of any twin rotatable tubes at this time period.

dosnt realy matter either way as it has no impact on the ships tonage/strengths and it has plenty of deck space but I can make the changes easily.

Just for Kicks and giggles I was messing around with a 22 knot battleship tonight, this is what I came up with (if I build it or not its still a interesting ship)  I could proly do more with it if I lowerd the freeboard and switched to my "standard" 11/40 but this was just for kicks like I said.

Duro Celeritate, Italia Battlecruiser laid down 1897

Displacement:
   11,000 t light; 11,454 t standard; 12,221 t normal; 12,835 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (484.00 ft / 484.00 ft) x 65.00 ft x (25.00 / 25.98 ft)
   (147.52 m / 147.52 m) x 19.81 m  x (7.62 / 7.92 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm 35.0 cal guns - 810.13lbs / 367.47kg shells, 70 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1897 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      10 - 6.00" / 152 mm 40.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1897 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 4,241 lbs / 1,923 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   408.00 ft / 124.36 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   5.00" / 127 mm     76.00 ft / 23.16 m   9.45 ft / 2.88 m
     Main Belt covers 130 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      5.00" / 127 mm

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.00" / 254 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 24,558 ihp / 18,320 Kw = 22.00 kts
   Range 4,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,381 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   580 - 755

Cost:
   £1.227 million / $4.909 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 585 tons, 4.8 %
      - Guns: 585 tons, 4.8 %
   Armour: 2,582 tons, 21.1 %
      - Belts: 1,450 tons, 11.9 %
      - Armament: 329 tons, 2.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 689 tons, 5.6 %
      - Conning Tower: 114 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 4,026 tons, 32.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,807 tons, 31.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,221 tons, 10.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     8,055 lbs / 3,654 Kg = 9.3 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.39
   Metacentric height 4.7 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 12.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.52
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.48

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.544 / 0.550
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.45 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.00 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 127.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 114.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 21,829 Square feet or 2,028 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 92 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 121 lbs/sq ft or 592 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.71
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

And the oposite number of the Ship above, Tough as Nails and twice as sharp I give you what I wish I was building.

Ultima Bellonavis, Italia Battleship laid down 1890

Displacement:
   10,200 t light; 10,618 t standard; 11,412 t normal; 12,047 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (400.00 ft / 400.00 ft) x 64.00 ft x (25.00 / 26.16 ft)
   (121.92 m / 121.92 m) x 19.51 m  x (7.62 / 7.97 m)

Armament:
      6 - 11.00" / 279 mm 40.0 cal guns - 637.82lbs / 289.31kg shells, 60 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1890 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      6 - 4.70" / 119 mm 40.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1890 Model
     6 x Single mounts on side ends, majority forward
      6 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      2 - 4.70" / 119 mm 40.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      2 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      6 - 4.70" / 119 mm 40.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 raised mounts
      10 - 2.00" / 50.8 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.99lbs / 1.81kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4,567 lbs / 2,071 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   14.0" / 356 mm   260.00 ft / 79.25 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   7.00" / 178 mm   140.00 ft / 42.67 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
   Upper:   7.00" / 178 mm   260.00 ft / 79.25 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   16.0" / 406 mm   7.00" / 178 mm      11.0" / 279 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -
   3rd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   5th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 11.00" / 279 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 9,658 ihp / 7,205 Kw = 17.00 kts
   Range 4,400nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,430 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   551 - 717

Cost:
   £0.957 million / $3.828 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 736 tons, 6.4 %
      - Guns: 736 tons, 6.4 %
   Armour: 4,388 tons, 38.5 %
      - Belts: 2,532 tons, 22.2 %
      - Armament: 807 tons, 7.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 929 tons, 8.1 %
      - Conning Tower: 120 tons, 1.1 %
   Machinery: 1,789 tons, 15.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,217 tons, 28.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,212 tons, 10.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 71 tons, 0.6 %
      - On freeboard deck: 71 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     12,100 lbs / 5,488 Kg = 18.2 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
   Metacentric height 3.2 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 15.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.58
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.28

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.624 / 0.630
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.25 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.00 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Forward deck:   33.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Aft deck:   32.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Average freeboard:      11.84 ft / 3.61 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 78.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 79.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 19,148 Square feet or 1,779 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 129 lbs/sq ft or 628 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.63
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

A tad slow for my personal tastes but fast for its period.  I intend to use the pair as Colonial Flagships, as always opinions are welcomed.

RMS Nike, Italia Protected Cruiser laid down 1897

Displacement:
   5,000 t light; 5,208 t standard; 5,744 t normal; 6,173 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (408.00 ft / 408.00 ft) x 44.00 ft x (22.00 / 23.25 ft)
   (124.36 m / 124.36 m) x 13.41 m  x (6.71 / 7.09 m)

Armament:
      4 - 8.00" / 203 mm 40.0 cal guns - 256.00lbs / 116.12kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1897 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      10 - 4.70" / 119 mm 40.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 1,524 lbs / 691 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.0" / 432 mm, 12.00 ft / 3.66 m torpedoes - 0.360 t each, 0.720 t total
   submerged bow tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   4.00" / 102 mm   318.00 ft / 96.93 m   5.00 ft / 1.52 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 120 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      4.00" / 102 mm
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

   - Protected deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 4.00" / 102 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 6.00" / 152 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 11,044 ihp / 8,239 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 966 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   329 - 428

Cost:
   £0.531 million / $2.126 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 274 tons, 4.8 %
      - Guns: 273 tons, 4.8 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 1,322 tons, 23.0 %
      - Belts: 255 tons, 4.4 %
      - Armament: 201 tons, 3.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 824 tons, 14.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 41 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 1,811 tons, 31.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,543 tons, 26.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 744 tons, 13.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 0.9 %
      - Hull below water: 6 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 44 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3,581 lbs / 1,624 Kg = 14.0 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 2.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.17
   Metacentric height 1.9 ft / 0.6 m
   Roll period: 13.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.60
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.31

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.509 / 0.518
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.27 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.20 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 42 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Forward deck:   35.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  7.50 ft / 2.29 m,  7.50 ft / 2.29 m
      - Quarter deck:   10.00 %,  7.50 ft / 2.29 m,  7.50 ft / 2.29 m
      - Average freeboard:      11.25 ft / 3.43 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 119.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 76.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 12,060 Square feet or 1,120 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 96 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 83 lbs/sq ft or 406 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.47
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

*NOTES*
Ships in Class
RMS Nike
RMS Mars

Both ships Built in German Yards to Italian Specifications

Crew Consists ot 20 Officers, and 320 Enlisted Personel

Misc Weights
44 tons on deck represents Aditional Facilities for Colonial Flag requirements and building reserve
6 tons below watterline to account for torpedos & reloads

You could probably limit the lenght inf to 120m to have dockyards facilities in colonies.
Reduce the beam too, 6.71m is too much for that kind of ship in unknown waters.

Jef  ;)

If it's a protected cruiser why does it have an armored belt?

Quote from: Delta Force on October 12, 2012, 09:57:25 PM
If it's a protected cruiser why does it have an armored belt?

Protected cruisers are to be simmed with a 4' tall belt.

What he said, as I have explaind multiple times Spring Sharp dosnt sim PCs very well because even if you select protected deck it sims all decks as flat.  So to remidy that we use a verticly chalenged belt of the same thickness as the deck armor

Quote from: Logi on October 12, 2012, 10:26:34 PM

Quote from: Delta Force on October 12, 2012, 09:57:25 PM
If it's a protected cruiser why does it have an armored belt?

Protected cruisers are to be simmed with a 4' tall belt.

Quote from: Tanthalas on October 12, 2012, 10:47:56 PM
What he said, as I have explaind multiple times Spring Sharp dosnt sim PCs very well because even if you select protected deck it sims all decks as flat.  So to remidy that we use a verticly chalenged belt of the same thickness as the deck armor

Quote from: Logi on October 12, 2012, 10:26:34 PM

Quote from: Delta Force on October 12, 2012, 09:57:25 PM
If it's a protected cruiser why does it have an armored belt?

Protected cruisers are to be simmed with a 4' tall belt.

I thought it was the upper belt (reasonable to not the a waring, because my engine room is longer than the ship), and it represents how much thicker the slooped portion of the deck is? So far I have also used the normal 8 feet for such a "belt".


Not that it matters, but shouldn't a German import use German weapons?

I just used my standard weapons on it (mostly because im drawing it and I already have the 4.7 and 8" guns drawn) as to the engine longer than ship issue, I always figured that in situations like that boilers and stuff were on the wether deck level (ala how the original lexington would have been)

Quote from: Nobody on October 13, 2012, 05:30:55 AM

Quote from: Tanthalas on October 12, 2012, 10:47:56 PM
What he said, as I have explaind multiple times Spring Sharp dosnt sim PCs very well because even if you select protected deck it sims all decks as flat.  So to remidy that we use a verticly chalenged belt of the same thickness as the deck armor

Quote from: Logi on October 12, 2012, 10:26:34 PM

Quote from: Delta Force on October 12, 2012, 09:57:25 PM
If it's a protected cruiser why does it have an armored belt?

Protected cruisers are to be simmed with a 4' tall belt.

I thought it was the upper belt (reasonable to not the a waring, because my engine room is longer than the ship), and it represents how much thicker the slooped portion of the deck is? So far I have also used the normal 8 feet for such a "belt".


Not that it matters, but shouldn't a German import use German weapons?

Proly wont build it but it was an interesting exersize.

ACX-1900, Italia Large Armored Cruiser Proposal laid down 1900

Displacement:
   18,016 t light; 18,599 t standard; 19,885 t normal; 20,914 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (525.00 ft / 525.00 ft) x 80.00 ft x (30.00 / 31.23 ft)
   (160.02 m / 160.02 m) x 24.38 m  x (9.14 / 9.52 m)

Armament:
      4 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 665.99lbs / 302.09kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 3,464 lbs / 1,571 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   515.00 ft / 156.97 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   510.00 ft / 155.45 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 151 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      4.00" / 102 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 54,193 ihp / 40,428 Kw = 25.00 kts
   Range 5,993nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,315 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   836 - 1,088

Cost:
   £2.107 million / $8.427 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 617 tons, 3.1 %
      - Guns: 617 tons, 3.1 %
   Armour: 3,811 tons, 19.2 %
      - Belts: 2,393 tons, 12.0 %
      - Armament: 384 tons, 1.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,034 tons, 5.2 %
   Machinery: 8,468 tons, 42.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,084 tons, 25.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,869 tons, 9.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 37 tons, 0.2 %
      - On freeboard deck: 37 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     9,636 lbs / 4,371 Kg = 14.5 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.50
   Metacentric height 7.2 ft / 2.2 m
   Roll period: 12.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 83 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.23
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.38

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.552 / 0.558
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.56 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -5.00 ft / -1.52 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Aft deck:   45.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarter deck:   10.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      19.60 ft / 5.97 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 150.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 128.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 29,376 Square feet or 2,729 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 84 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 120 lbs/sq ft or 586 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.88
      - Overall: 1.00
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

and the slightly larger AQY version

ACX-1900, Italia Large Armored Cruiser Proposal laid down 1900

Displacement:
   19,200 t light; 19,868 t standard; 21,205 t normal; 22,274 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (525.00 ft / 525.00 ft) x 81.00 ft x (30.00 / 31.22 ft)
   (160.02 m / 160.02 m) x 24.69 m  x (9.14 / 9.52 m)

Armament:
      6 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 665.99lbs / 302.09kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      12 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4,796 lbs / 2,175 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   525.00 ft / 160.02 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   510.00 ft / 155.45 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 154 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      4.00" / 102 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 57,193 ihp / 42,666 Kw = 25.00 kts
   Range 5,993nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,406 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   878 - 1,142

Cost:
   £2.339 million / $9.357 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 861 tons, 4.1 %
      - Guns: 861 tons, 4.1 %
   Armour: 3,926 tons, 18.5 %
      - Belts: 2,344 tons, 11.1 %
      - Armament: 506 tons, 2.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,075 tons, 5.1 %
   Machinery: 8,936 tons, 42.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,444 tons, 25.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,005 tons, 9.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 33 tons, 0.2 %
      - On freeboard deck: 33 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     9,790 lbs / 4,441 Kg = 14.7 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.49
   Metacentric height 7.2 ft / 2.2 m
   Roll period: 12.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.29
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.28

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.582 / 0.587
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.48 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -5.00 ft / -1.52 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Aft deck:   45.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarter deck:   10.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      19.60 ft / 5.97 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 153.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 127.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 30,575 Square feet or 2,841 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 82 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 127 lbs/sq ft or 619 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.83
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

RMS Italia, Italia Battleship laid down 1900

Displacement:
   15,000 t light; 15,749 t standard; 18,127 t normal; 20,030 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (550.00 ft / 550.00 ft) x 70.00 ft x (29.00 / 31.44 ft)
   (167.64 m / 167.64 m) x 21.34 m  x (8.84 / 9.58 m)

Armament:
      6 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 665.99lbs / 302.09kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      12 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 108.92lbs / 49.41kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 32.27lbs / 14.64kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5,432 lbs / 2,464 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   350.00 ft / 106.68 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   200.00 ft / 60.96 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   250.00 ft / 76.20 m   4.00 ft / 1.22 m
     Main Belt covers 98 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   7.00" / 178 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
   Forecastle: 2.00" / 51 mm  Quarter deck: 2.00" / 51 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 12.00" / 305 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 26,000 ihp / 19,396 Kw = 21.15 kts
   Range 12,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4,281 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   780 - 1,015

Cost:
   £1.538 million / $6.152 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 944 tons, 5.2 %
      - Guns: 944 tons, 5.2 %
   Armour: 4,698 tons, 25.9 %
      - Belts: 2,086 tons, 11.5 %
      - Armament: 1,000 tons, 5.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,434 tons, 7.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 178 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 4,063 tons, 22.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,295 tons, 29.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,127 tons, 17.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     19,828 lbs / 8,994 Kg = 29.8 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.26
   Metacentric height 4.5 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 13.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.66
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.80

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.568 / 0.579
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.86 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.45 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 42 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 41
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  27.00 ft / 8.23 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Average freeboard:      20.83 ft / 6.35 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 95.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 135.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 27,333 Square feet or 2,539 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 129 lbs/sq ft or 629 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.86
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

To big IMO. Build more REs instead as they are good enough against all current ACs and you have friends building "proper" ones.

Agree that the 25 knot ships are to big, it was just a what would it take to comparison.  I am planing to jump to AQY but that will be esentialy the only change in the REs from the prestartup ones.

Quote from: snip on October 25, 2012, 12:38:56 AM
To big IMO. Build more REs instead as they are good enough against all current ACs and you have friends building "proper" ones.

This has me a bit confused...

Quote from: Tanthalas on October 24, 2012, 10:28:56 PM
RMS Italia, Italia Battleship laid down 1900

Armament:
      6 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 665.99lbs / 302.09kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread

Is it 2 twins, 2 triples or 3 twins? I'm thinking triples aren't allowed yet so 2 or 3 twins.

Quote from: eltf177 on October 26, 2012, 05:28:42 AM
This has me a bit confused...

Quote from: Tanthalas on October 24, 2012, 10:28:56 PM
RMS Italia, Italia Battleship laid down 1900

Armament:
      6 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 665.99lbs / 302.09kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread

Is it 2 twins, 2 triples or 3 twins? I'm thinking triples aren't allowed yet so 2 or 3 twins.

Given previous statements that Italy will be going to AQY layouts, I'd expect 3 twins, yes.

Oh I would absolutly love to use tripples, but nice catch its suposed to be 3 twins.  Honestly I wish we could use tripples right out the gate for dreadnaught style ships, then I would go AQY with tripples, as a simple evolution of my previous AQY ships with twins (make dreadnaughts a whole evolutionary thing instead of revolutionary per OTL)

Quote from: KWorld on October 26, 2012, 05:32:36 AM

Quote from: eltf177 on October 26, 2012, 05:28:42 AM
This has me a bit confused...

Quote from: Tanthalas on October 24, 2012, 10:28:56 PM
RMS Italia, Italia Battleship laid down 1900

Armament:
      6 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 665.99lbs / 302.09kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread

Is it 2 twins, 2 triples or 3 twins? I'm thinking triples aren't allowed yet so 2 or 3 twins.

Given previous statements that Italy will be going to AQY layouts, I'd expect 3 twins, yes.