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Title: ESC Destroyers 16-30 1915
Post by: ledeper on November 29, 2008, 07:53:04 PM
Island-class batch 3 Dd 16-21, ESC Destroyer laid down 1915 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   1.000 t light; 1.079 t standard; 1.303 t normal; 1.482 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   327,59 ft / 324,80 ft x 29,53 ft x 11,48 ft (normal load)
   99,85 m / 99,00 m x 9,00 m  x 3,50 m

Armament:
      6 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns (3x2 guns), 102,98lbs / 46,71kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      4 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,95lbs / 0,88kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
   Weight of broadside 626 lbs / 284 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   4 - 18,0" / 457,2 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 19.213 shp / 14.333 Kw = 28,85 kts
   Range 6.500nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 403 tons

Complement:
   107 - 140

Cost:
   £0,252 million / $1,009 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 78 tons, 6,0 %
   Armour: 7 tons, 0,5 %
      - Belts: 0 tons, 0,0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
      - Armament: 7 tons, 0,5 %
      - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0,0 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0,0 %
   Machinery: 519 tons, 39,9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 356 tons, 27,3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 303 tons, 23,2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 40 tons, 3,1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     368 lbs / 167 Kg = 3,6 x 5,9 " / 150 mm shells or 0,3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,54
   Metacentric height 1,7 ft / 0,5 m
   Roll period: 9,6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 59 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,65
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,19

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,414
   Length to Beam Ratio: 11,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18,02 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Forecastle (10 %):   13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   9,35 ft / 2,85 m
      - Stern:      9,35 ft / 2,85 m
      - Average freeboard:   11,90 ft / 3,63 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 177,7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 102,4 %
   Waterplane Area: 5.955 Square feet or 553 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 59 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 31 lbs/sq ft or 152 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,50
      - Longitudinal: 1,44
      - Overall: 0,55
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

firecontrol 25t
radio 10t
torpedoes 5t
Title: Re: ESC Destroyers 16-30 1915
Post by: Sachmle on November 29, 2008, 08:14:02 PM
Isn't 15cm a little heavy for use on a DD at this point in time?
Title: Re: ESC Destroyers 16-30 1915
Post by: ledeper on November 29, 2008, 08:33:10 PM
It was considered to develop a 115mm gun ,instead decided to use the new 150mm Quick firing gun as to keep uniformity in medium caliber guns. 
Title: Re: ESC Destroyers 16-30 1915
Post by: Sachmle on November 29, 2008, 08:39:12 PM
I only ask as I tried to put a 6" on one and was met w/ concerns over heavy shells and lively ships.
Title: Re: ESC Destroyers 16-30 1915
Post by: Borys on November 30, 2008, 12:23:59 AM
IMO 6" twins on such a vessel are ridiculous. The Narviks found such mounts barely usable, yet were almost three times as large.
But then again, I'm the Dilusional Grumpy ....
Borys
Title: Re: ESC Destroyers 16-30 1915
Post by: P3D on November 30, 2008, 01:11:57 AM
Yes, too large guns. Misc weight reserve could be higher too.
Title: Re: ESC Destroyers 16-30 1915
Post by: ledeper on November 30, 2008, 04:41:40 AM
Island-class batch 3 Dd 16-21, BCS Destroyer laid down 1915 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   1.000 t light; 1.056 t standard; 1.278 t normal; 1.455 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   327,59 ft / 324,80 ft x 29,53 ft x 11,48 ft (normal load)
   99,85 m / 99,00 m x 9,00 m  x 3,50 m

Armament:
      6 - 4,92" / 125 mm guns (3x2 guns), 59,59lbs / 27,03kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      4 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,95lbs / 0,88kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
   Weight of broadside 365 lbs / 166 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   4 - 18,0" / 457,2 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 18.901 shp / 14.100 Kw = 28,85 kts
   Range 6.500nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 399 tons

Complement:
   106 - 138

Cost:
   £0,219 million / $0,875 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 46 tons, 3,6 %
   Armour: 6 tons, 0,4 %
      - Belts: 0 tons, 0,0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
      - Armament: 6 tons, 0,4 %
      - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0,0 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0,0 %
   Machinery: 551 tons, 43,1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 328 tons, 25,7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 278 tons, 21,8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 70 tons, 5,5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     380 lbs / 172 Kg = 6,4 x 4,9 " / 125 mm shells or 0,3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,49
   Metacentric height 1,6 ft / 0,5 m
   Roll period: 9,8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 61 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,40
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,21

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,406
   Length to Beam Ratio: 11,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18,02 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Forecastle (10 %):   13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   9,35 ft / 2,85 m
      - Stern:      9,35 ft / 2,85 m
      - Average freeboard:   11,90 ft / 3,63 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 172,4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 102,8 %
   Waterplane Area: 5.925 Square feet or 550 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 66 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 29 lbs/sq ft or 141 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,50
      - Longitudinal: 1,37
      - Overall: 0,55
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

firecontrol 25t
radio 10t
torpedoes 5t
Reserve 30 t
Title: Re: ESC Destroyers 16-30 1915
Post by: Korpen on December 11, 2008, 05:39:24 AM
If i read the rules correctly, it seems twin mounts must have hoists.

Other then that, not a bad ship at all :)
Title: Re: ESC Destroyers 16-30 1915
Post by: Jefgte on December 11, 2008, 04:43:29 PM
Hoists for T2 are better  ;)

...Good Contre-Torpilleur  ;)